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[Q] HELP! Messaging is broken

So I somehow borked messaging on my phone. Only it's deeper than that. Let's rewind a bit, shall we?
So about a week and a half ago, I started experimenting with different popup programs for SMS/MMS messages, since I'm not a big fan of how laggy chat heads can be with FB Messenger. I went through app after app comparing features until I settled on Glowfly. Everything seemed to be working fine until my sister tried to message me and my parents. It looked to me like she had just messaged me individually, and when I tried to send out a new group message with them all in it, I noticed it sent separate SMS messages to each person instead of a group MMS. And they didn't receive as a group message; it was all individual messages to them too. My first reaction was to uninstall Glowfly, but the damage was done. No matter what I've tried, this issue is persisting. I don't know if something messed up MMS settings on the network for me, or what, but even wiping and doing a clean install of roms (both stock and Sense) have the exact same issue, even if I don't restore anything with TIBU or install anything at all. The only thing I can think is that maybe it's pulling wrong MMS settings from Google, or it's something on the network acting screwy, but no one else is having this issue. Oh, and here's the weirdest part: I can still get MMS messages with pictures. So MMS is not flat-out broken. I just don't understand how it can persist through wipes and clean installs. Anyway, does anyone have any idea what could be happening?

Its not MMS, its not an included feature in 4.1, it got added in 4.2. Try Textra. Its in the play store. Has popups and group messaging built in. Super clean and stable texting app. My wife and mom have been using it on their firsts, and have had no issues at all. Hope that helps.
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Moto X group messaging.

So, I just upgraded from my old 4S to the moto x. i love it. It is really fast and snappy and does all the things i do exceptionally well.... except for one thing... group messaging. I can send messages out to a group, however when people reply to me the messages get sorted into separate threads from anyone on an android. it seems weird, and i have checked the MMS settings and they are all there. tried speaking with Motorola and they said it's working as intended. Was wondering if anyone else had this issue.
Also, i am on Verizon.
Thank you in advance,
-Jim

Just a heads up for anyone having this issue.
I read through some other threads and no one had an answer, i figured i'd update everyone and let them know what i found. I download Textra, this allowed me to get all my messages in one group thread. I even went back to the default texting app and all the messages were grouped. I then went and removed textra. the threads then split up again.
Long story short, it looks as though there may be some settings that you don't get the privilege of seeing with the default app. at this point textra is working and using super minimal resources so i'm ok with this.

jimski427 said:
I read through some other threads and no one had an answer, i figured i'd update everyone and let them know what i found. I download Textra, this allowed me to get all my messages in one group thread. I even went back to the default texting app and all the messages were grouped. I then went and removed textra. the threads then split up again.
Long story short, it looks as though there may be some settings that you don't get the privilege of seeing with the default app. at this point textra is working and using super minimal resources so i'm ok with this.
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I like to try to get everyone on hangouts since almost everyone has a gmail account and it is multi-platform. I know that's not a solution to group messaging with the messaging app, but it's a great alternative I think.

Good idea,
yea, it is a good idea, i just feel like a **** telling all of my friends to use that for only me haha. this is working great and you can just use standard text messaging/mms.

Group messaging works fine on the Moto X. There does appear to be a SIM provisioning problem on some phones that can be fixed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441250&highlight=group
Edit: I just re-read the OP - this may not be the same issue... take a look though and see.

DarthSudo said:
Group messaging works fine on the Moto X. There does appear to be a SIM provisioning problem on some phones that can be fixed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441250&highlight=group
Edit: I just re-read the OP - this may not be the same issue... take a look though and see.
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Yea I read that. I went in and I can see my phone number, I can also send the messages as MMS. For some reason when I get the replies they get split into different threads. Now that I use the textra app is has started working as it should. The weird part is it now works as it should in the stock app. Idk what behind the scenes settings it alters.
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jimski427 said:
Yea I read that. I went in and I can see my phone number, I can also send the messages as MMS. For some reason when I get the replies they get split into different threads. Now that I use the textra app is has started working as it should. The weird part is it now works as it should in the stock app. Idk what behind the scenes settings it alters.
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I have a verizon dev unit that is able to send and receive group MMS fine. So far I have only tested it with other phones on verizon though. Do you have the group messaging option turned on in the messaging settings?

Yup I went in and selected the group messaging option. The weird thing is that textra adds more options than my stock messaging app. Idk if its something that textra enables that for some reason I can't see in the normal settings. The pic with 17 at the end is my phone settings. The one with 66 is the textra app.
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Replaced phone
So I spent about an hour and a half in total with verizon tech support and they had no idea why this is happening. I then went in and had them replace the phone at the store, sent a text before i even loaded any google accounts or settings. This issue still happened. I am kind of annoyed, but i guess i will have to try and wait for 4.4 to see if it fixes it.

I also use Textra for MMS, the stock messaging has never kept MMS in the same group for me on any of my phones. It is not a problem with the phone just Android's stock message app...kinda sucks, I've always hated it and I never use it. Textra is my newest favorite. Hoping Hangouts does a good job but until then I'm satisfied.

My group messaging worked just fine on stock messenger. Now with hangouts its still working just as good. Never really had a problen
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jimski427 said:
So I spent about an hour and a half in total with verizon tech support and they had no idea why this is happening. I then went in and had them replace the phone at the store, sent a text before i even loaded any google accounts or settings. This issue still happened. I am kind of annoyed, but i guess i will have to try and wait for 4.4 to see if it fixes it.
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It has to be a provisioning problem if it followed you to a new phone. Have you tried your SIM card in a completely different phone that supports group messaging? I know that VZW has been doing group messaging for a while now. It may be different in stock Android (group messaging didn't work until 4.2).
Another thought: do you have a different phone that you can install CM 10+ on? I believe that does group messaging in the same way that stock 4.2+ does. That would be another way to confirm the problem is with the carrier, but doing it at a VZW store on one of their phones would carry more weight.

DarthSudo said:
It has to be a provisioning problem if it followed you to a new phone. Have you tried your SIM card in a completely different phone that supports group messaging? I know that VZW has been doing group messaging for a while now. It may be different in stock Android (group messaging didn't work until 4.2).
Another thought: do you have a different phone that you can install CM 10+ on? I believe that does group messaging in the same way that stock 4.2+ does. That would be another way to confirm the problem is with the carrier, but doing it at a VZW store on one of their phones would carry more weight.
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I did not try a phone at the store, but it did follow me to a new moto x without even logging into any google accounts or anything. i unfortunately do not have any other phone that i could swap sims with to test this. It did work perfectly fine on my iphone 4s before though. Not sure if it was IOS messaging app fixing the issue with my network or not. It's odd that other apps seem to work perfectly fine though. At this point i'm going to wait for 4.4 and see if it works. VZW tech support in store and via phone have no clue.

I got my Moto X developer edition and the group messaging was working like a charm UNTIL I tried the texting from my computer application in chrome. since then, all my group texts are separated by user instead of thread.

LoffKat said:
I got my Moto X developer edition and the group messaging was working like a charm UNTIL I tried the texting from my computer application in chrome. since then, all my group texts are separated by user instead of thread.
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Which computer application?

clankfu said:
Which computer application?
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I'm assuming Motorola Connect. Same thing happened with me, but now with SMS Hangouts, everything is fine.

Messenger Lollipop APN issue

Since updating to Lollipop earlier this week Google Messenger has lost the ability to receive MMS messages. On Jelly Bean I was able to change the APN and receive them sporadically, but now they don't come in at all, they just say "downloading" and stay that way. The APN setting is no longer in the Messenger menu. I can find it in the mobile data settings menu, but it is greyed out. Has anyone experienced this? I Googled for a solution, but found nothing helpful yet.
Thanks in advance.

Well... If it makes you feel any better, I had similar issues. After switching to a lollipop ROM. I couldn't send or receive texts (SMS) but group and pics would go through (MMS). I searched and asked for days, tried to learn about APN's, made changes, gave up. Borrowed my daughter's old iPhone (hate it) until my contract is up in April. Then it'll be Verizon for me with either the M9 or N6. Wish you luck. If you come up with a solution, please post it. I would really like to have my M8 available for resale.

I've switched to Textra, which is similar to Messenger in enough ways that I'm good for now. If/when Messenger is updated next, I hope it'll work well enough to switch back to.

Just wanted to let you know that you're not alone. I had the issue with a replacement M7. MMS wouldn't send or download. The APN MMSC setting in the stock Messages app was "(not set)" and there is no way to set it.
I ended up using 8sms for texts and mms. I just flashed Lollipop from Kitkat and it's still the same.

Verizon Carrier and MMS issues on ROMS other than stcock

Has anyone found a ROM other than stock that the MMS and Group texting work or a fix? I've tried several custom 5.1.1 Roms and I always have issues with the Stock messenger and MMS. I tried different APN's. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Just use Verizon Messages and you'll have no issues. Also has a lot of other useful features.

I personally never group text but I've had no issues with either SMS or MMS on benzo. just remember that ROMs with ad blockers will block the Verizon MMS server unless you whitelist it

rsalas187 said:
Has anyone found a ROM other than stock that the MMS and Group texting work or a fix? I've tried several custom 5.1.1 Roms and I always have issues with the Stock messenger and MMS. I tried different APN's. Any help would be appreciated.
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I don't use it a lot but when I do it always seems to work fine. Roms wise I'm always on Chroma or Benzo and never touch any APN settings or anything else for that matter.

New Dual Sim Xperia 1 II - No Group MMS Settings

My phone is a dual-sim version from Austraila (XQ-AT52). I'm in the US.
As I was setting up my phone, and before I installed the ATT sim card, the native google text message app showed the ability to use MMS for Group chats. As soon as I put the sim in, that option disappears from the menu.
Now, in the group texts ported over from my old Sony, I get a note right in the message sequence saying that all messages will be sent to each person in the group individually, and by SMS not MMS.
It seems like this might be a function of this build not being a US build, and that somehow there's a firmware difference where the single Sim, non 5G phones in the US (and maybe Taiwan) doesn't have the issue.
I'm using a third party app called Textra, and it's working okay, but I'd really like to get back to the native Google App with full group text functionality. I'm not sure if it's an ATT issue (given the option exists until I plug in the ATT sim card) or if it's a build issue, and I need to modify the phone.
Help!

zero_vertical said:
My phone is a dual-sim version from Austraila (XQ-AT52). I'm in the US.
As I was setting up my phone, and before I installed the ATT sim card, the native google text message app showed the ability to use MMS for Group chats. As soon as I put the sim in, that option disappears from the menu.
Now, in the group texts ported over from my old Sony, I get a note right in the message sequence saying that all messages will be sent to each person in the group individually, and by SMS not MMS.
It seems like this might be a function of this build not being a US build, and that somehow there's a firmware difference where the single Sim, non 5G phones in the US (and maybe Taiwan) doesn't have the issue.
I'm using a third party app called Textra, and it's working okay, but I'd really like to get back to the native Google App with full group text functionality. I'm not sure if it's an ATT issue (given the option exists until I plug in the ATT sim card) or if it's a build issue, and I need to modify the phone.
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Help!

Try clearing data and cache in the message app

zero_vertical said:
My phone is a dual-sim version from Austraila (XQ-AT52).
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How did you buy one from Australia? They don't sell them there. Also try putting the ATT sim in the second sim slot.
Cheers, Ben

Anyone have any solutions/suggestions? I have the same model (XQ-AT52) and am in Canada and it does not have the group MMS option in Advanced settings. Is this basically a build issue?

Gonna bump this old thread. Anyone ever find a fix? XQ-AT52 here on ATT in the US also no group messaging in Google messages either, and Textra is pretty awful...

CCL X10 said:
Gonna bump this old thread. Anyone ever find a fix? XQ-AT52 here on ATT in the US also no group messaging in Google messages either, and Textra is pretty awful...
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That might be a problem with the carrier

Fixed it. used Newflasher and replaced my HK firmware with TW firmwarre, and replaced the oem_cust files from that, with the US firmware files, and now group messaging in android messages works.

Just because I'm curious; why do you still use MMS?