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What looks strange is the signal and battery icons in the status bar – they are definitely different from the Current ones as you can see. The icons actually looks very similar to Sony uses?
Here you can take a look at the status bar icons on the Nexus 5 compared to the one shown on the Google I/O website. We still are not sure that a new version of Android coming out of Google I/O this year, but we could be surprised with a new version.
Google I/O kicks off on Wednesday, June 25th, which is next week, and we're definitely excited for Google I/O this year. We're looking at Android Wear being announced and seeing lots of during the Keynote, but as far as Android 4.5 or even 5.0, I just don't see that happening. Last year we didn't see a new version of Android, we actually got it a couple months later at a separate event with the Nexus 7 (2013) and the Chromecast.
We know that Google is planning some redesigns for the next version of Android as well as kicking out Dalvik runtime.
But we shouldn't be surprised with a redesign of Android since we do see changes in the design all the time, just about every version of Android gets a tweak in its design. Which is normal for an OS. Sure there were some UI changes, but not much to get excited about.
Next week will be like Christmas for many of us, as Google has all kinds of presents and we can’t to see what Google has in store.
That battery icon looks way too small imo.
Not much change there. Time should be 4:44, no?
Current looks so much better.
Wow, they redefined ugly, imo
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Current ones look allot better :/
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Maybe it isn't a new look of statusbar maybe it's just a picture cause time shows 4:40 but we got android 4.4.4 with old statusbar so next version of android if it's 4.5 or 5.0 will have new statusbar but maybe not. Time doesn't prove it that new android will have this just my opinion no offense
I just hope that there is a new android version at I/O. I have been itching for it for a while now.
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I'm not expecting another android build at I/O atm Google is in a good place with KK OEM have actually caught up this time. Someone I know though thinks that Google will show 5.0 because of a picture that was tweeted by Google of a nexus 5 with the time in it set at 5:00 and Googles thing of having screenshots of the UI time being the next android version although that picture has 4:40 :S still be interesting to see what happens at I/O
I'm expecting a new tablet to replace the nexus 10, Android wear release date and price along with a Google own brand one for android silver/Nexus some news about android TV and some chrome OS stuff. Need to get me one of those android wear watches so hopefully the release isn't too far off
I dont think there will be a new android version at google i/o because of 4.4.4 update. I think that google isnt that stupid to work hard on two android versions just to release them with 3-4 day difference. I mean 4.4.4 and next version (4.5/5.0). Yes there are lots of messages by google about new android also the one I read in the morning that google made ART default runtime and completely removed Dalvik or about "kill switch" feature but no screenshots no info about new phone and if im right every android version was released with new phone that was first phone to run that version ...
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I dont think there will be a new android version at google i/o because of 4.4.4 update. I think that google isnt that stupid to work hard on two android versions just to release them with 3-4 day difference. I mean 4.4.4 and next version (4.5/5.0). Yes there are lots of messages by google about new android also the one I read in the morning that google made ART default runtime and completely removed Dalvik or about "kill switch" feature but no screenshots no info about new phone and if im right every android version was released with new phone that was first phone to run that version ...
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I wouldn't even consider 4.4.4 anything other than a bug fix for OpenSSL.
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Okay so let it be just bugfix but everything other I said can be true
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I dont think there will be a new android version at google i/o because of 4.4.4 update. I think that google isnt that stupid to work hard on two android versions just to release them with 3-4 day difference. I mean 4.4.4 and next version (4.5/5.0). Yes there are lots of messages by google about new android also the one I read in the morning that google made ART default runtime and completely removed Dalvik or about "kill switch" feature but no screenshots no info about new phone and if im right every android version was released with new phone that was first phone to run that version ...
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The 4.4.4 ota is only like 2.5 MB. Certainly nothing significant.
Google may reveal new version but I bet it won't be released for a few months.
New OS usually comes with new nexus phone release, but im sure google will have many hints for us about upcoming OS in i/o
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They stated last year that i/o was all about apps and development. they didn't even mention a new version last year. I doubt that things will change this year. Hopefully they tell us whether they are killing the nexus line or not. I'm good if they do it not as long as there is a comparable replacement in terms of pure android.
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Looks much better
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What looks strange is the signal and battery icons in the status bar – they are definitely different from the Current ones as you can see. The icons actually looks very similar to Sony uses?
Here you can take a look at the status bar icons on the Nexus 5 compared to the one shown on the Google I/O website. We still are not sure that a new version of Android coming out of Google I/O this year, but we could be surprised with a new version.
Google I/O kicks off on Wednesday, June 25th, which is next week, and we're definitely excited for Google I/O this year. We're looking at Android Wear being announced and seeing lots of during the Keynote, but as far as Android 4.5 or even 5.0, I just don't see that happening. Last year we didn't see a new version of Android, we actually got it a couple months later at a separate event with the Nexus 7 (2013) and the Chromecast.
We know that Google is planning some redesigns for the next version of Android as well as kicking out Dalvik runtime.
But we shouldn't be surprised with a redesign of Android since we do see changes in the design all the time, just about every version of Android gets a tweak in its design. Which is normal for an OS. Sure there were some UI changes, but not much to get excited about.
Next week will be like Christmas for many of us, as Google has all kinds of presents and we can’t to see what Google has in store.
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Current one looks so much better
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They stated last year that i/o was all about apps and development. they didn't even mention a new version last year. I doubt that things will change this year. Hopefully they tell us whether they are killing the nexus line or not. I'm good if they do it not as long as there is a comparable replacement in terms of pure android.
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It has already leaked that they will revealing the next version of Android at the keynote. But they won't be releasing it until later in the year.
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It has already leaked that they will revealing the next version of Android at the keynote. But they won't be releasing it until later in the year.
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Exactly what I wanted to say. There will definitely be announcements made at I/O in regards to a new Android version, but it will probably be released not untill later this year around fall.
The screenshots however I think would be a nice change to the current status icons. The only thing is that the spaces in between the icons don't look very consistent. So there either have to be changes made, or the screenshot is not what the next Android version will look like.
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Hello everyone,
Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one.
I've settled on the Nexus range because I love stock Android and have found the hardware to be acceptable.
For my next foray into a 2013 phone I'm thinking of getting the HTC One and pairing this with Cyanogenmod, when it becomes available.
This to me would be the best physical hardware, in both appearance and materials of any Android device, and software.
Something akin to this!
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Am I going to be satisfied with the move?
Visually things are the same? The use the same assets?
What problems could arise? What should I be aware of when compared with Stock?
Any other thoughts or opinions you may have. Please keep it in-line with the HTC One and Cyanogenmod.
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Off-topic but when I look at that Black picture I find it sooo cool.
CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out
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CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out
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I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.
Re: blingfeed annoying
Is it worth it. I love it but even on the one x was frustrating due to not being able to use the camera to it's full potential.it would fly on here but you'd lose a lot on this device. Which would be a shame
(No doubt if be trying it still if it was here though and get frustrated again lol)
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Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one
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I had the last 'perfect one' - the legendary HTC HD2 - since it came out.
I dropped the first one I owned and almost sold the insurance replacement to buy a different phone.
I was tempted many times by the hypegasm of new fangled phones but, really, what were they adding that the venerable HD2 couldn't already do? Nothing really.
Glad I made the choices I did.
Wait and see, all these answers can be answered by yourself ...
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I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.
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By default, it is basically identical, with a few improvements (T9 dialing).
However, there are many options to customise it - adding different shortcuts to the lockscreen ring (up to five, I think), quick-toggles in the notification shade, "quiet hours" (a setting which silences your phone during certain times of the week)..
The list is exhaustive.
CyanogenMod is much better than stock, imo, notification toggles are much better (and less complicated) than the quick-settings panel.
i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.
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i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.
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Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.
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Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.
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im hearing the n5 will be announced at google io.
What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.
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What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.
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Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod
AW: HTC One and Cyanogenmod
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Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod
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It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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I didn't read the question properly lol. Mate if your a fan of pure android stick with the nexus.I love both so I'm okay. But pure...there's a lot to be said for how quick everything runs. Though I wouldn't pass on the one.
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Thing is, stock rom (Sense) tend to have better battery life than CM10. Stock roms (Sense) are more optimised for the system. I've noticed this since my battery was a lot less when I had the S2, S3, HTC One X etc using CM10.
I also feel this may get a quicker/less buggy release than the S4 with exynos 5. I imagine samsung wont release any info for the exynos 5 like they havent for the exynos 4. The S600 variants will probably be fine but that may give the One an advantage.
it makes no sense to buy a HTC One or any phone for that matter to just put stock android on it.. you lose half the features the phone came with (even if their are gimmick or not)
You should just buy a Nexus device.. because in the end thats all you trying to get..
You are buying the HTC One for design.. not for its features..
The processors wouldn't be any difference in notice.. unless you plan on running HD 1080P videos every second of the day and playing games like "Dead trigger, Real Racing etc every day"
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It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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That was just to explain the basics of cm to him
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The main difference between stock android and cyanogenmod are featured n options. There are a lot more settings, n tweaks and ways to persoalize it the way you want. There are also variations of CM like aokp, paranoidandroid,etc which add even more options and customizations. Also there will be sense roms with things added/removed l, etc that you may like. The great thing about Roms is that you can change the whole look ans feel of your phone within minutes. Best thing for you to do is go over to like the HTC EVO 4g LTE forum or the HTC ONE X forum and look thru the android and original android development sections at all the toms and get an idea what is out there. Any aosp rom would be cm like stock android and any sense is just that tweaked stock sense.
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AndroidSPIN | Jun 19th
New versions of Android 4.3 have been spotted running on Nexus 4 and Nexus 7. Previously we have seen rumours and unconfirmed benchmarks running the newest version of Jelly Bean, but thanks to DoMiN8ToR at myce.com, the JWR66D (Nexus 7) and JWR53F (Nexus 4) builds of Android 4.3 have been seen in the wild.
According to DoMiN8ToR, the “J” at the beginning of the build code designates that the build is of Jelly Bean origins and that the “R” specifies that the build is from the second quarter. Furthermore, the number in the build code is the n-th day of the quarter, placing these builds sometime between at the end of May and the beginning of June. Finally, the last letter of the code defines what build of the day it is i.e. D is the fourth, and F would be the sixth build of the day.
I’m sure we’re all wondering when Android 4.3 is going to drop, but news like this further suggests that it will hopefully be very soon.
OP here http://drippler.com/updates/share/android-43-spotted-nexus-4-and-nexus-7
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OMG 4.3 SPOTTED ON N4 & N7 ARTICLE..... shows picture of Samsung device
Original rumor from here http://www.myce.com/news/exclusive-new-android-4-3-versions-spotted-on-nexus-devices-67544/ but i think it's still a rumor )
it will e not released today
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OMG 4.3 SPOTTED ON N4 & N7 ARTICLE..... shows picture of Samsung device
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New feature: 4.3 will turn your device into a galaxy S4
JWR66D and JWR53F are already rather old (in the context of bleeding edge/not for public roms).
JWR66N is the newest confirmed rom, and JWR66O is the newest unconfirmed rom>
JSR72 might be newer then JWR66O, R66O gives no indication on it's age.
R72 was June 11th 2013, while R66O could be from any time within the last 2 weeks.
(Before the thread gets locked again due to lack of N4 specific stuff)
Issue 250805 - chromium - Repeatable failed check (crash) on tumblr.com/login - An open-source project to help move the web forward. - Google Project Hosting:
Code:
google/occam/mako:4.3/JWR66N/711294:userdebug/dev-keys
We expect a new radio as it was previously already reported that JWR45B already had a new radio for the N4.
Presumably there will also be a new bootloader, but there's currently no proof that it will/wont
They've changed it from reporting JellyBeanMR2 to 4.3 in the fingerprints a bit back, when hints that they have 4.3_r1 in sight.
JellyBeanMR2 represents a master branch and 4.3 represents a branch cut for a release target.
Don't see why this thread would get closed. It is n4 related. Its an article that that's about 4.3 on the nexus 4!!!.
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One question is if 4.3 comes with a new kernel version, goog has been working with linux 3.8/3.9/3.10
Refs - kernel/common - Git at Google:
Excluding the NS getting updated to 3.0 (from 2.6.35), nexus devices generally end their lifetimes with the same major kernel version they started with (and extended nexus-like devices such as the xoom and OG droid)
The N7 sucessor will likely launch with a newer kernel version if there is one at all, and there's the question of if the N4/10 will be updated or simply stay on 3.4.
The N7 has already past this point by staying on linux 3.1 for android 4.2.
5.0 is almost guaranteed to come with something newer then 3.4 as even 3.8 is already EOL (end of lifed), 3.4 just happens to be a long term kernel version (ie it will get patches for much longer then non long term ones)
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New feature: 4.3 will turn your device into a galaxy S4
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LOL:laugh:
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New feature: 4.3 will turn your device into a galaxy S4
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Ewww.
Gonna stick to 4.2.2 then
Wait! So 4.3 will be touchwiz? I must spread this news to the verge and they will make it front story
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Wait! So 4.3 will be touchwiz? I must spread this news to the verge and they will make it front story
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Yes 4.3 is touchwiz yes:silly:
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Yes 4.3 is touchwiz yes:silly:
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Vanilla is the new OEM skin and touchwiz is the new vanilla
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Vanilla is the new OEM skin and touchwiz is the new vanilla
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I want key lime Pie, I mean seriously why is google isurprised of the fragmantation of android? It is their fault instead of bringing a big update they bring small ones..
Google thumbs down , someone of the android department must be fired
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I want key lime Pie, I mean seriously why is google isurprised of the fragmantation of android? It is their fault instead of bringing a big update they bring small ones..
Google thumbs down , someone of the android department must be fired
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Why would fragmentation be less if they release yet another big update so phones with OEM skins will have long time to optimize ? If you do little at a time and put core-apps on play (like keyboard now) in my logic that will lead to less fragmentation actually.. You disagree?
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The way i see it there is no fragmentation in android (feel free to agree or not). OEM's skins are not really skins anymore, they are standalone versions of android.
Look at the feature-list of touchwiz for example, it offers a lot more than stock android, it's not only a simple framework modification, or a change for something that already exists on stock android, no, we're talking about new features (gimmicky or not), multiwindow, all those air gestures, hovering over text and photos, smart scroll, pause..., 4 or 5 presets for tuning screen colors, totally different camera app with plethora of options not found on stock (HDR recording etc..) . Furthermore, there is support for microSD which google removed from aosp.
My point is, people who buy samsung devices, must know that they are buying samsung's version of android, and have no right to blame google for any update system (frequent lil ones or one big update/year) , or any delays in updating their samsungs. It's not only related to updates, but in general when you buy a device that is not rocking official fully stock android (like nexus or google edition phones) , your relation is not with google, but with your OEM, and any complaints/praises/suggestions/ideas/bug report should be addressed to them. Google's stock android serves only as a reference for OEM's versions.
=> when you're buying a galaxy S or Note, you're not buying android, you're buying a samsung.
=> No fragmentation in android
Same applies to other OEMs.
Good point!
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To be clear I read somewhere on Google+, google mentioned Galaxy S3 as Android-based phone and N4 as Android.
So, OEM skin is actually Android-based OS and Vanilla Android is Android OS.
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Who cares about fragmentation. Most android users have never even heard of key lime pie. Most users are not even on 4.2.2. Bring on new versions. The only people that care are nexus users
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Who cares about fragmentation. Most android users have never even heard of key lime pie. Most users are not even on 4.2.2. Bring on new versions. The only people that care are nexus users
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Don't forget xda users and geeks.
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Smallsmx3 said:
Who cares about fragmentation. Most android users have never even heard of key lime pie. Most users are not even on 4.2.2. Bring on new versions. The only people that care are nexus users
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I agree,many android users I know use anything between froyo and ICS, they have no idea about newer versions or even what the deserts mean, so fragmentation is irrelevant to them.
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As Google announced android kitkat 4.4 to all nexus devices like nexus 4,7,10
well there in galaxy nexus we came to hear from Google that there wont be kitkat for galaxy nexus and is discontinued for updates
Google says they have the policy of updates till 18 months from release
whereas, galaxy nexus passed that limit
as well they said their policy that they would be releasing kitkat on 512mb ram phones too
but galaxy nexus being having a decent hardware of 1gb ram..
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they discontinued it to update any further officially
so now here's the main question, nexus 4 is already a year old so after 6 months even Nexus 4 would be outdated to have any updates
is this legit by Google?
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sid21 said:
As Google announced android kitkat 4.4 to all nexus devices like nexus 4,7,10
well there in galaxy nexus we came to hear from Google that there wont be kitkat for galaxy nexus and is discontinued for updates
Google says they have the policy of updates till 18 months from release
whereas, galaxy nexus passed that limit
as well they said their policy that they would be releasing kitkat on 512mb ram phones too
but galaxy nexus being having a decent hardware of 1gb ram..
they discontinued it to update any further officially
so now here's the main question, nexus 4 is already a year old so after 6 months even Nexus 4 would be outdated to have any updates
is this legit by Google?
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/31/google-galaxy-nexus-kitkat/
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they can no longer support the Galaxy Nexus officially because it has a TI processor which is no longer created ad Ti hasnt made processors in a long time. they can not get the binaries from TI for that processor thus no official support for 4.4.
As long as Qualcom is making processors then N4 will be supported for future versions of OS for much longer.
They also recently released the N7 with the same SoC.
Kinda surprising considering kitkat is optimized for 512mb ram at the min, this means even the Nexus S could gain new life from 4.4. I expect developers to hack the 4.3 drivers anyway.
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Well, obviously the Nexus 4 is next. It's next in line, and will stop receiving updates at some point. When? We don't know. All Google promises is 18 months. The Galaxy Nexus had its own limitations, really, so it's no huge surprise it was killed when it was. Nexus 4 might hold on longer, since the 5 isn't as dramatically different, and KitKat, and presumably future versions, will be better equipped to handle lower-end hardware. But we won't know until it happens.
Hopefully we at least get a couple more major updates. The hardware in the N4 is more than capable and Google can't use lack of SoC support as an excuse.
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Well, obviously the Nexus 4 is next. It's next in line, and will stop receiving updates at some point. When? We don't know. All Google promises is 18 months. The Galaxy Nexus had its own limitations, really, so it's no huge surprise it was killed when it was. Nexus 4 might hold on longer, since the 5 isn't as dramatically different, and KitKat, and presumably future versions, will be better equipped to handle lower-end hardware. But we won't know until it happens.
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There are at least rumors that a slightly refreshed n4 could show up at play again. That could increase our lifespan as well.
nexus 7 2012 grouper , is also getting 4.4 update ,confirmed from the google git sources..
I'm dissapointed that the Gnex was discontinued for updates.. I don't like the 18-month support window. Hopefully they learn from GNEX outlash and support the N4 for longer.
Google never stated that they will make updates for devices with RAM of 512mb or more, they just said that it's possible to run the software on those devices. Now it's up for the developers to create the software
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Be happy it's 18 months. Could be like carrier updates and only be supported for 90 days
Wayne Tech Nexus
its all about their product cycles, a nexus pretty much always gets left behind when the new device comes out
Nexus One -> 2.3 final
Nexus S -> 4.1 Final
Galaxy Nexus -> 4.3 Final
the nexus 4 likely won't see whatever release ends up out at this time next year either, also the Nexus 7 will not see the next version officially
you should wonder why support for the nexus S wasn't reestablished more than why the Gnex got left out in the cold.
short answer is it will be supported unofficially for years to come and the important parts have been open sourced
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they can no longer support the Galaxy Nexus officially because it has a TI processor which is no longer created ad Ti hasnt made processors in a long time. they can not get the binaries from TI for that processor thus no official support for 4.4.
As long as Qualcom is making processors then N4 will be supported for future versions of OS for much longer.
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THIS is why opensource is so important!
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you should wonder why support for the nexus S wasn't reestablished more than why the Gnex got left out in the cold.
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You serious? Single core and 384MB of usable RAM for the system (rest is for the GPU) and you think it should be reestablished? My Nexus S sits in my drawer.. It's completely a laggy mess on 4.1.1 and even the 4.2 / 4.3 builds.. I use it as an mp3 player and that's it. Most people who want usability actually rolled back to Gingerbread like I did...
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You serious? Single core and 384MB of usable RAM for the system (rest is for the GPU) and you think it should be reestablished? My Nexus S sits in my drawer.. It's completely a laggy mess on 4.1.1 and even the 4.2 / 4.3 builds.. I use it as an mp3 player and that's it. Most people who want usability actually rolled back to Gingerbread like I did...
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Right but kitkat was aimed at low memory devices, so why wouldn't that be a target
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Its just so bad for indians.Just when n4 strikes thru the indian market.n5 releases.Probably when u get your hands on a warranty proof n5 you find a release date of n6!!!!
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Its just so bad for indians.Just when n4 strikes thru the indian market.n5 releases.Probably when u get your hands on a warranty proof n5 you find a release date of n6!!!!
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Google is going to release the Nexus 5 in India starting in a few weeks. It has already been listed in Indian playstore along with pricing. So, release shouldn't take much time.
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By order of release, the nexus 4 will not be supported next....I hope Google will support it as long as they can because I love my nexus 4. Its still the sexiest phone around....and its lag free buttery greatness
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Right but kitkat was aimed at low memory devices, so why wouldn't that be a target
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Because its a really really old device and it wouldn't make any sense.
Also I think the discontinuation of Galaxy Nexus had more to do with TI than with the number of months that has passed since its release
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Update comparisons
Instead of just discussing whether 18 months is too short / long enough, let's do some comparisons.
In order for this comparison to be fair, I have decided to use the time difference between when the phone is first available and when Google released the version of android that the last update contained. This is necessary because different manufacturer takes different amount of time to adopt Google's source code into their own firmware update, so a manufacturer who takes their sweet time to release an update would appear to have a longer support period, which wouldn't be fair.
Samsung Galaxy S I9000
Released in June 2010
Last update version: 2.3.6
The 2.3.6 firmware was actually released by Google on September 2011. Support period is approximately 15 months.
Samsung Galaxy S 2
Released in May 2011
Last update version: 4.1.2
4.1.2 was released by Google in October 2012. Approximate support period 17 months.
HTC Sensation
Released in May 2011
Last update version: 4.0.3.
4.0.3. was released by Google in Dec 2011. HTC has announced that the Sensation won't be seeing an official 4.1 update. Approximate support period 7 months.
Sony Xperia S
Released in March 2012
Last update version: 4.1.2
4.1.2 was released by Google in October 2012. Approximate support period 7 months.
The results are quite ... interesting to say the least. As I said before, I am using the Google update release date instead of the manufacturer update release date, which is why the support period for Sony and HTC appears to be ridiculously short. However, it's their own damn fault for releasing flagship phone with out of date software. The Xperia S for example, could have been launched with ICS instead of GB, the former having been released in Oct 2011, almost half a year before the Xperia S launch date.
Back to the topic: In terms of android phones support period, 18 months is quite reasonable, especially since Nexus phones usually receive updates first before any other phones. So it really isn't too bad...
... until you start looking at iPhones. Eek. There, I said it. I am probably going to be tied to a pole and burnt to death for this. But before you light the fire underneath me, let's take a look at what the archenemy is doing.
iPhone 3GS
First released: June 2009
Last update version: iOS 6.1.3
Apple likes to throw out little updates every once a while, which are mostly bug fixes. So instead of using the release date of 6.1.3., I am going to use the released date for the last major update, iOS 6.1., which was released on Jan 2013. Approximate support period 43 months.
Now the number is impressive, but as some of you are going to point out, not all iOS updates are equal. Older iPhones do not get all the features of new iOS versions, either because of hardware limitation or "business strategy". Android phones have largely avoided this fate so far, unfortunately we already know that this will happen with 4.4 because the Nexus 4 does not have the hardware needed for the always listening feature. A legit reason, but a missing feature none the less.
Say whatever you want about Apple, but their support period far surpasses android phones. Obviously, there's a business reason for this - Apple continued selling the 3GS as a low-end phone for a very long time after its release, so there's an incentive to continue releasing update for it. Should Google do the same for android phones? Not necessarily. Android phones are supported by a lot of independent developers, who will continue to release updates long after Google cease support. That is one major advantage Android has that Apple can never hope to replicate. You can argue that it's not fair for developers to work for "free" when Google sit and reaps the benefits, and that non-tech savvy consumers (aka your grandparents) would not know how to flash custom roms, but that's a whole different discussion topic.
You may now light the fire.
My first android device was Samsung Galaxy Ace. Which was quite nice until I got to know that it won’t receive upgrades past Gingerbread. So, I bought a Galaxy SII. SII was an amazing phone. A great bump in performance and screen size for me after Galaxy Ace. Also SII had the sweet Ice Cream Sandwich. It also got updated to Jelly Bean (4.1.2). Then I made the switch to Galaxy SIII. Which at the time of my purchase still had the same software 4.1.2. Now, it didn’t feel like a huge upgrade in terms of how my phone looked. Except a couple of add-ons the software was similar. Then a 4.2.2 was leaked around the same time when Google released 4.3 and I updated to it, hoping it would bring some fresh change but it wasn’t much. And it had bugs too. I waited for the bugs to be fixed but then Samsung announced that they are skipping 4.2.2 for SIII and will directly update it to 4.3. I was kind of sad but it was good to know that it was getting updated to 4.3. Though when the actual update came out, this was around the time Google announced KitKat, it was again filled with bugs. Now, that wasn’t a leak that was the official update from Samsung and then they stopped the update temporarily to fix the bugs. They released one more 4.3 update after addressing those bugs from previous one but this one had more. And those never got addressed. Then Samsung announced that the international version of SIII, the one I had, will not receive upgrade to Android 4.4 as 1 GB RAM is not enough to run Samsung customizations smoothly. But the versions with 2GB RAM will receive the updates. Some people appreciated Samsung for actually working on to release an upgrade for a device that was out of the conventional upgrade period. But those people need to evaluate the facts that SIII was the company’s most successful phone. Also when you see the timeline of when the updates were released you realise that every update was released almost around 6 months of announcement from Google.
After being fed up with their update system I made the switch to Nexus 5. Even though I haven’t received any major updates, the vanilla android experience itself has been pretty great. And when I compared it to a GS5 running 4.4, I was even more happy. The time to time lag on S5 when switching between apps or the app opening speed or the lag when opening the recent app menu, they all just make me a little bit happier that I am not a Samsung customer anymore.
I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
The N5 test slower on AnTuTu and Quadrant than the S4, however the N5 is a ton faster than the S4 on everything that I do, for screen scrooling, to app launching, to web sites loading, everything.
The N5 simply leaves the S4 in the dust.
I'm very impressed so far, and happy about the switch.
I still have the S4 as a backup if needed.
Fred
Fred98TJ said:
I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
Fred
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Benchmarks don't come into play. they sure as hell don't prove the speed and performance we get on nexus.
about those soft-keys. this what I recently did.
installed LMT
disabled navigation bar
I am running stock on ART. so no xposed module for me
WeandDroid said:
Benchmarks don't come into play. they sure as hell don't prove the speed and performance we get on nexus.
about those soft-keys. this what I recently did.
installed LMT
disabled navigation bar
I am running stock on ART. so no xposed module for me
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What's LMT?
Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5 mit Tapatalk
Flooney said:
What's LMT?
Gesendet von meinem Nexus 5 mit Tapatalk
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
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Fred98TJ said:
I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
The N5 test slower on AnTuTu and Quadrant than the S4, however the N5 is a ton faster than the S4 on everything that I do, for screen scrooling, to app launching, to web sites loading, everything.
The N5 simply leaves the S4 in the dust.
I'm very impressed so far, and happy about the switch.
I still have the S4 as a backup if needed.
Fred
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there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark
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there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark
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samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better. thats why many rooted nexus 5 users flash different dalviks/bionics. the sgs4 can not beat a nexus running custom dalvik/bionic as well.
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what if you wanted to switch two years ago? you'd still be with Samsung
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there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark
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The S4 does score better than a non-rooted N5.
"samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better."
HOWEVER, in real world use my N5 runs circles around my S4.
Fred
Fred98TJ said:
The S4 does score better than a non-rooted N5.
"samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better."
HOWEVER, in real world use my N5 runs circles around my S4.
Fred
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circles isnt even the right word. my n5 plays in a professional league while my s4 is still TRYING to get onto a minor league team.
WeandDroid said:
Hello everyone
I have written a new blog post about my experience with samsung and why I switched from it. Have a look and feel free to comment and share your experience
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Why couldn't you post your thoughts here? You make people click your link instead.
Another useless post.
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Another useless post.
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Ironic because you made a useless comment.
On topic: Yeah, I switched from an S3 and was extremely happy. I used to really enjoy touch wiz because of a couple of features but the sluggishness of the phone was getting on my nervous. I flashed a stable built of CM, which wasn't great because that had some pretty serious bugs which annoyed me also. Then the N5 came out and I decided to buy and I am very happy with the experience.
I like nexus 5 but I'm dying to go back to Samsung but i know if i get the galaxy s5 I'll be dying to get back my nexus 5
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My fiance and I also just ditched Verizon and switched to n5's from s4's. Couldn't be happier. I love Verizon's network but they are overpriced and lock everything down. We are in stl so T-Mobile works just as well.
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WeandDroid said:
Hello everyone
I have written a new blog post about my experience with samsung and why I switched from it. Have a look and feel free to comment and share your experience
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Nice post, I think it sums up a lot of users' feelings too. I've never owned a Samsung phone - I started with nexus and have only used nexus since and i couldn't be happier. Between getting major updates first and the rich development community, you have very little limitations with these phones. I just hope that if Google kills the nexus line like they're rumored to, that they still deliver the same experience with future GPE devices (currently, GPE devices are not on par with the nexus line in my opinion).
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Speaking as a former Galaxy S3 T-Mobile owner, I had to stay that Knox software and bootloader locking is what finally made me give up on the Galaxy series. The Nexus 5 on my opinion is a developer phone and a guideline of what other companies should follow. I'd rather not pay to own hardware that doesn't let me use it in the way I want. Plus no matter how you looked at it TouchWiz was insanely slow because of all the extra features, some of which most people would never use.
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bblzd said:
Why couldn't you post your thoughts here? You make people click your link instead.
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Changed that now.
ARTvsDalvik
Next post, both here and on my blog will be ARTvsDalvik. And not just in terms of speed.
I appreciate your positive feedback for this device but there is no necessity for a user review of a device which is almost 6 months old. Thread closed
Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
Just want a stock rooted "L" rom so the N7 can feel revived.
bpickard said:
Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
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Yessss, official support is sweet.
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
L yea Google, this is awesome!
erica_renee said:
My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
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Agreed. I had to remove all the apps I don't use regularly to have reasonable speed performance.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
Yeah definitely.
There is an updated device tree (updated directly by Google of course); that seems to indicate the arrival of L builds for the Grouper.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
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I think they will, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the GPL parts of the source. If they weren't working on it they wouldn't have to.
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Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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Ha I have a Moto G and that makes the nexus7 2012 seem slow, ill need to start using my optimus 2x to make the nexus 7 seem good again
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cyberon said:
A new version of L LPV81 was leaked on development site for a few minutes and guess what, Nexus4 was there.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
This is great news for the nexus program seeing the 18 months update principle is not set in stone. Will be interesting to see art on stock for the 2012 n7.
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Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
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No it's Grouper. I think someone made a photoshop xD
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Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
I also have a moto g and a stock nexus 7. The phone is way faster. Probably you're right about f2fs and that does the trick.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
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f2fs masks the horrid IO problems on the Tegra 3 a little, but if you do much, lag. Optimized software can only help with bad hardware so much.
All-f2fs... Honestly, nonsense IMO. Data and cache, yes. System? Useless.
Personally I'm really tired of my Nexus 7 2012's lag. It was a fast device when I first got it but once I started installing stuff on it and it got filled a bit, it's lagged ever since. If I nuke it completely, fast again. So I could remove a bunch of apps or stuff, or use it slow.. Oh well.
AOKP 4.4.4, data f2fs, m-kernal a69, in case you're curious. And yes I greenify apps which can' t behave and run themselves etc.
I could really use a point in the right direction about making my 2012 16GB WiFi model faster. It's had CM10, CM11 and now bone stock 4.4.4 on it and it's a all a lagfest compared to my N5.
If there is anything at all I can do, i'm all ear's. I see something above about F2FS but I don't come here often (ever, actually) so I have no idea what that means.