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[Q] Official Unlocked or Unlocked T-Mobile

I'm considering whether to buy an T-Mobile version and unlock it or a "Officially Unlocked" version on HTC's official website. I have found two differences so far.
(1) The first is that T-Mobile version seems to support more 3G networks while Unlocked supports more 4G networks.
Here is something from HTC official website.
Unlocked version
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/1900/2100 MHz
4G LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
T-Mobile version
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 42 Mbps
4G - LTE: 700 MHz and AWS band
AT&T version
3G - UMTS/ HSPA: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSDPA up to 21 Mbps
4G - LTE: 700 MHz and AWS band
So does it mean that both Unlocked and TM versions can completely support AT&T network, TM version can completely support TM network (of course), and Unlocked version partly supports TM network (no 3G AWS support). Am I right?
(2) The second is about S-OFF. Neither Revolutionary nor Moonshine mentions the Unlocked version, but they both support TM version.
PS: Can I use more frequency bands by flashing something into an S-OFF HTC One?

If you're going to use it on T-Mobile, why not just buy the T-Mobile version? The unlocked version doesn't have support for AWS bands.
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joshnichols189 said:
If you're going to use it on T-Mobile, why not just buy the T-Mobile version? The unlocked version doesn't have support for AWS bands.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
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I'm not quite sure which operator will I use.

if your in the USA the tmobile version will probably serve you the best since it can pick up pretty much every companies 3g and 4g signal without problems. tmobile or ATT.
there is currently no way to flash a radio to support other bands not sure if this is even possible currently

syaoran68 said:
if your in the USA the tmobile version will probably serve you the best since it can pick up pretty much every companies 3g and 4g signal without problems. tmobile or ATT.
there is currently no way to flash a radio to support other bands not sure if this is even possible currently
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I am on a TMobile branded phone, which I unlocked to use with my AT&T account, on which I previously had an iPhone 4S. I've been having some issues getting on LTE so far. I did talk to AT&T several times to make sure that the One was provisioned on my account, and the account was changed to a "4G LTE" data account. I've driven all over the downtown Los Angeles area (downtown, Chinatown, Dodger Stadium, Commerce, and Hollywood) and have yet to see LTE when I'm on AT&T. I get it fine on Tmobile (I picked up a pre-paid Tmob SIM.) I've tried several different APNs (wap.cingular, phone, and pta (which doesn't even connect)). As of right now, I'm a bit stumped as to where the issue might be (it presents itself in Sense, Android Revolution, and Google Edition ROMs). I may just buy an HTC One from AT&T and will put my SIM card in it to see if I get LTE on there, and then return it.
My belief, and what just about everyone has said, is that the TMob phone should be able to get on AT&T's LTE. For whatever reason, and I can't quite lay blame anywhere yet (I'm new to Android, so it could very well be I'm not getting something), it's not working.

Moto X - Gsm (T-mobile / Developer edition)

Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.

2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 - all versions
CDMA 800 / 1900 - for Verizon, Sprint
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T, Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
CDMA2000 1xEV-DO - for Verizon
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for Sprint
4G Network LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - for T-Mobile
LTE 700 MHz Class 13 - for Verizon
LTE 1900 - for Sprint
Refer to your carrier for compatibility.

metalron said:
Guys, would appreciate if someone could help me out here.
Just wanted to confirm the Tmobile and the Developer edition Moto X are basically both compatible with 3g networks around the globe right? Specially in the UAE? The US Nexus 5 apart from the 4g works fine here.
Also, they two (tmobile/developer) are technically the same phones right? The costs now being the same I'm wondering which one to get.
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Here is the view from wikipedia
Model FCC id Carriers CDMA bands GSM bands UMTS bands LTE bands Notes
XT1049 IHDT56PB2 Republic Wireless 800/1900 Unknown Unknown 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked
XT1053 IHDT56PA2 T-Mobile US, Developer Edition (GSM) N/A Quad 850/900/1700/1900/2100 2/4/17 Developer Edition is not SIM locked and is compatible with AT&T Mobility and T-Mobile US networks[26]
XT1055 IHDT56PB3 U.S. Cellular 800/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/5/12
XT1056 IHDT56PB2 Sprint Corporation 800/1900 Quad 850/1900/2100[27] 25 The GSM/UMTS network functions have been disabled by firmware and are SIM locked[27]
XT1058 IHDT56PA1 AT&T Mobility, Rogers, Vivo, Claro (Puerto Rico), Movistar and Claro (Chile) N/A Quad 850/900/1900/2100 2/4/5/7/17
XT1060 IHDT56PB1 Verizon Wireless 850/1900 Quad 850/900/1900/2100 4/13 Developer Edition is also available,[28] though one source[29] claims it only supports LTE band 13 (not 4)
Looks the XT1058 model with the most of the LTE bands but it depends on the firmware.

Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.

raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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The T-Mobile/Dev Edition are missing Band 5, which is 850mhz. Band 17 is 700mhz, which all the GSM versions support.

The T-Mobile and GSM Dev edition definitely use the same ROM and radio/modems. This is verified by requesting/downloading the firmware from Moto's web site, and comparing it to the retail/consumer rom hosted on http://sbf.droid-developers.org/ghost/list.php and comparing the files included in each.
This thread -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546466 also has a discussion of the bands/frequencies the phones support.
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raydi07 said:
Be aware that the GSM developer edition is missing band 700 for ATT LTE service. In my area, band 700 is used and I am not receiving LTE. At first I thought there was a problem with the phone but as i traveled yesterday to Indianapolis as soon as I hit Kentucky LTE showed on the gsm developer edition. Am on the fence as to whether I will return it. Did not realize this until I spoke with the local corporate location this morning.
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Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)

KidJoe said:
Really? When it came to LTE bands I thought the T-mo/Dev X was only missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant, and those bands aren't supposed to be used in the USA. (at least that is what John Renaldi of Moto posted on G+ not too long ago.)
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That is correct, I missed that one in my post above. Band 7 is 2600mhz and is not used in the US.

Are the available bands hardware or software limited?
Tapatalked from my G PAD 8.3

What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?

Hardware limited.

sicmadek said:
What bands are missing from the gsm unlocked non Dev edition?
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I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant

KidJoe said:
I believe the GSM Unlocked device that you can pick from Moto Maker when you don't select carrier, is the same as the T-Mobile USA device, in which case it would be missing bands 5 & 7 when compared to the ATT variant
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Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.

sicmadek said:
Well mine picks up LTE on at just fine. I just can't receive MMS for some reason.
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Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.

KidJoe said:
Who is your carrier? LTE Band 5 & 7 are rumored to be only used outside the USA, so for "Domestic USA LTE Use" the ATT (after sim unlock), T-Mobile, GSM Unlocked, and GSM Dev editions should all perform the same. The only real difference is lack of HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100) on the ATT model, which the T-Mo and Dev support, and GSM Unlocked should support too.
As for MMS, check your APN settings are correct.
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I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.

LTE on AT&T working
sicmadek said:
I am on att and I have been through every APN. Check my thread to see everything that's going on.
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Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...

javahooked said:
Just wanted to share my experience on AT&T. Bought a Moto X developer edition from Motorola. Mine works and picks up AT&T LTE without issues. Also MMS works fine as well.
Just make sure you swap your existing SIM card to a brand new one at a corporate store where they actually scan the SIM and enter your IMEI into the AT&T system. Not sure if this was done already in your case. Good luck...
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We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.

sicmadek said:
We figured out the problem. Porting a number from straight talk caused the issue. Once I activated a new number on a new Sim everything worked perfect.
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Glad everything worked out.

[Q] network confusion

I just purchased a 32gb verizon moto x developer edition and it's running wonderfully with my verizon account...unlocked, etc and with the Motorola warranty intact because it's a developer edition..
However, I am thinking of changing to Net10 or perhaps move to att or tmobile so I can use international GSM connections as I travel....or just buy a GSM SIM in Europe/Asia. In the old world (pre LTE), a phone was either CDMA or GSM....and one would not work on the other network. Is that still true, or does my Moto x have the capability of running on either GSM or CDMA depending on the SIM that's installed?

http://www.motorola.com/us/shop-all...Verizon/moto-x-developer-edition-verizon.html
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/device/smartphone/moto-x

ghstudio said:
I just purchased a 32gb verizon moto x developer edition and it's running wonderfully with my verizon account...unlocked, etc and with the Motorola warranty intact because it's a developer edition..
However, I am thinking of changing to Net10 or perhaps move to att or tmobile so I can use international GSM connections as I travel....or just buy a GSM SIM in Europe/Asia. In the old world (pre LTE), a phone was either CDMA or GSM....and one would not work on the other network. Is that still true, or does my Moto x have the capability of running on either GSM or CDMA depending on the SIM that's installed?
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after unlocking the bootloader i thought the warranty is void (including the motorola extended warranty)??

Smoke1991 said:
after unlocking the bootloader i thought the warranty is void (including the motorola extended warranty)??
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True, except if you buy the developer edition....

ghstudio said:
I just purchased a 32gb verizon moto x developer edition and it's running wonderfully with my verizon account...unlocked, etc and with the Motorola warranty intact because it's a developer edition..
However, I am thinking of changing to Net10 or perhaps move to att or tmobile so I can use international GSM connections as I travel....or just buy a GSM SIM in Europe/Asia. In the old world (pre LTE), a phone was either CDMA or GSM....and one would not work on the other network. Is that still true, or does my Moto x have the capability of running on either GSM or CDMA depending on the SIM that's installed?
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In answer to my own question...the verizon moto-x phone has the following specs
Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - CDMA/EVDO Rev. A - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B2/B1)
3G CDMA bands
EVDO Rev. A: 850/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1
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4G LTE bands
750 MHz (B13)
I suspect it's not as simple as just replacing the Simm....or is it?

ghstudio said:
True, except if you buy the developer edition....
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Moto wont let me buy the extended warranty for the phone they said if i want insurance i need to go through verizon... sigh...
sorry for going off topic. in terms of the bands, as long as any of the providers your looking for runs on the same bands the phone supports you should be good to go.

help me understand the frequency options

the general thread lists the models and it frequencies, and then list the operators and the used frequencies... but the wikipedia table also has "LTE bands" which are not mentioned anywhere.
what are those about?
Also, i can't see a sinlge model from that wiki table that matches all frequencies on the AT&T/T-Mobile line...
my main goal is to use them on both of those network, which is conveniently on the same line on the general thread , and not have a dead weight when traveling.
i'm sure i'm missing something obvious here, as not even the models market for a certain operator lists all the frequencies listed for that operator...

gcbxda said:
the general thread lists the models and it frequencies, and then list the operators and the used frequencies... but the wikipedia table also has "LTE bands" which are not mentioned anywhere.
what are those about?
Also, i can't see a sinlge model from that wiki table that matches all frequencies on the AT&T/T-Mobile line...
my main goal is to use them on both of those network, which is conveniently on the same line on the general thread , and not have a dead weight when traveling.
i'm sure i'm missing something obvious here, as not even the models market for a certain operator lists all the frequencies listed for that operator...
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Its a trade-off no matter what you do.
If you want the most LTE bands, then go with the XT1058 ROGERS variant, which is SIM-Unlocked for any provider. As shown on the wikipedia list, each model number DOES support the bands shown, but certain individual carrier variants may be SIM-locked (AT&T IS - Don't get that one...), or have different 'bloat' software installed.
If you want the most UMTS bands (think HSPA, HSPA+), then go with the XT1053 T-Mobile variant
All the versions support the 4 GSM bands, so calling and 2g data will be consistent no matter which model you get (other than the SIM-Locked variants).
Hope this helps.
PS: LTE band info here: http://niviuk.free.fr/lte_band.php This will show you which frequency corresponds to each band.
EDIT: If you only plan on using AT&T and T-Mobile, DEFINITELY get the T-Mobile variant. It is SIM-unlocked, supports all frequency bands currently deployed in the U.S. by both AT&T -AND- T-Mobile.
If you were to get the Rogers version (or other XT1058), you would completely lose the AWS band which T-Mobile uses extensively. The two additional LTE bands the XT1058 supports over the XT1053 aren't even deployed in the US as of now.

Be careful when looking at the Wikipedia table. It shows the Republic Wireless as supporting some GSM bands that those in the RW thread say it doesn't.. and the link to the FCC doc is really the SPRINT model, not RW. I'm not sure what other issues their might be.
If you want one single phone to use on BOTH att and T-Mo, get the GSM Developer Edition, or the GSM UNlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) from Moto Maker.
They support the following bands (per Moto web site, which might not be updated to reflect possible changes in more recent firmwares)...
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
LTE: 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
If you have T-Mobile, the HSPA on AWS is important to get H/H+ in areas T-Mobile hasn't yet refarmed their 1900Mhz spectrum. No other X supports H/H+ on AWS that T-mobile uses.
The GSM Unlocked and Dev Edition will work with ATT's GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA and LTE networks as it supports the necessary bands. There are two extra LTE bands the ATT branded X supports, however they were originally only used outside the USA. Reports are that ATT might start using one of them in the USA, but as of yet you wont notice it with the GSM Unlocked or GSM Dev Edition phones on ATT.
If you are going "non-contract" check the prices. If the Moto Maker and the Developer Edition are the same price, consider the Dev Edition if you want root, as unlocking the bootloader on the Moto Maker and Retail versions voids the warranty, where was unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't. Only difference would be the appearance. You can't customize the look of the Dev Edition, it comes as black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera). But you can get a case to cover it, or use dbrand skins (I have no affiliation with dbrand, just saw it suggested by others on the forum here, so its worth a shot).

KidJoe said:
Be careful when looking at the Wikipedia table. It shows the Republic Wireless as supporting some GSM bands that those in the RW thread say it doesn't.. and the link to the FCC doc is really the SPRINT model, not RW. I'm not sure what other issues their might be.
If you want one single phone to use on BOTH att and T-Mo, get the GSM Developer Edition, or the GSM UNlocked (comes with T-Mobile SIM) from Moto Maker.
They support the following bands (per Moto web site, which might not be updated to reflect possible changes in more recent firmwares)...
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS/HSPA: 850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
LTE: 700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
If you have T-Mobile, the HSPA on AWS is important to get H/H+ in areas T-Mobile hasn't yet refarmed their 1900Mhz spectrum. No other X supports H/H+ on AWS that T-mobile uses.
The GSM Unlocked and Dev Edition will work with ATT's GSM/EDGE/GPRS/HSPA and LTE networks as it supports the necessary bands. There are two extra LTE bands the ATT branded X supports, however they were originally only used outside the USA. Reports are that ATT might start using one of them in the USA, but as of yet you wont notice it with the GSM Unlocked or GSM Dev Edition phones on ATT.
If you are going "non-contract" check the prices. If the Moto Maker and the Developer Edition are the same price, consider the Dev Edition if you want root, as unlocking the bootloader on the Moto Maker and Retail versions voids the warranty, where was unlocking the bootloader on the Dev Edition doesn't. Only difference would be the appearance. You can't customize the look of the Dev Edition, it comes as black face, woven white back, silver accents (buttons and ring around camera). But you can get a case to cover it, or use dbrand skins (I have no affiliation with dbrand, just saw it suggested by others on the forum here, so its worth a shot).
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The Republic Wireless and Sprint variants are exactly the same. The both support the 4 GSM bands - wikipedia is correct.
The reason the FCC ID links to the sprint version, is because the RW version *IS THE SAME*
I'm looking at my RW Moto X box, and it lists the SAME FCC ID as the Sprint model....just as wikipedia shows.
The only difference is that the RW version has custom firmware for wifi calling, and unlike Sprint, who -sometimes- allows SIM unlock if you meet their criteria, RW will NEVER OTA-Sim-unlock their phones.
They both are using the same SIM-LOCK trickery, however. If we find an exploit to sim-unlock the Sprint variant, it WILL work on the RW version, enabling the GSM bands.
Was my reply not sufficient? You basically said exactly the same thing I did...

[Q] Using UK Retail version in US

Hi All,
I have a Moto X 2014 Retail UK Version, XT1092 is the model number, i would be moving to the US in some time will my moto x work without any issues in the US operators with 4G and all,
If this wont work what are the options i have to get the same phone to work in the US ??

einstien_ncp said:
Hi All,
I have a Moto X 2014 Retail UK Version, XT1092 is the model number, i would be moving to the US in some time will my moto x work without any issues in the US operators with 4G and all,
If this wont work what are the options i have to get the same phone to work in the US ??
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It should work with either AT&T or T-mobile in the US, but I think the LTE bands are different, so HSPA+ is the best you would do. My wife uses a Moto G on T-mobile HSPA+ and I can't tell a difference between data speed for her and my Moto X on LTE during regular use. Cheapest option (assuming only you on the contract) is probably a T-mobile pre-paid SIM. There is a plan from their website with loads of data, but only 100 min of voice per month for $30. They have several other options.
Not knowing how long you will be here, selling your phone and getting a US Pure model (will also work when you go back to UK) might be the best option.

Mine is a network unlocked Moto x in the UK, and i would be relocating permanently to the US, but dont want to sell off this one and get a new one in US. Was checking if there is any way to get the LTE bands enabled in the US or any network provider who uses similar of most of the LTE bands supported by the UK edition and will manage on 3G for the other duration.

einstien_ncp said:
Mine is a network unlocked Moto x in the UK, and i would be relocating permanently to the US, but dont want to sell off this one and get a new one in US. Was checking if there is any way to get the LTE bands enabled in the US or any network provider who uses similar of most of the LTE bands supported by the UK edition and will manage on 3G for the other duration.
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XT1092 bands
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ (850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100 MHz)
4G LTE (1, 3, 7, 8, 20)
AT&T
https://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB113269
T-Mobile
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988