Hi All,
I am a new Nexus 5 owner on T-Mobile and noticed that the phone was getting very poor battery life running stock Android 4.4.4, at least compared to my old Galaxy Nexus (which almost caught fire due to a charging port gone bad).
After rooting and installing the XPosed BatteryStats module and GSam Battery Monitor it appeared that SprintHiddenMenu aka System Programu was having a significant impact on the phone in terms of battery life when the phone should be asleep. Unfortunately revoking the excessive privileges with the 'App Settings' xposed module had little effect on CPU usage.
Eventually I decided to backup the apk to sdcard, remount /system read/write (`mount -o remount,rw /system`), delete /system/app/SprintHiddenMenu.apk and other cache & data files (found with `find / -iname '*hidden*'`), and reboot the phone.
The result has been a phenomenal increase in battery life so far (less than a day granted), going from greater than %5 battery consumption per hour to around or less than %1 per hour when sleeping.
Configuration is with location reporting set to off and battery saving mode, Droid Wall set to block some apps (including Kernel), and Greenify prevents various background apps. Network type is set to LTE and appears to be using very little CPU. Kernel now consumes more CPU on sleep than Android System (SprintHiddenMenu's category). DS Battery Saver might help to extend this further by disabling all network use and periodically wake for traffic.
For unrooted phones experiencing bad battery life you can try to Force Stop the System Programu app and test how that effects longevity. The service will restart on boot, however there is probably an app that can prevent that.
Wasn't able to find this info anywhere else so hope that helps some people that are frustrated with their Nexus 5 battery use.
Cheers!
I installed the xposed module for battery stats. Did the System Progamu show up in the wakelock details? It is listed in my included packages when I click Android System in GSam, but it hasn't been showing up in the wakelock.
PsychDrummer said:
I installed the xposed module for battery stats. Did the System Progamu show up in the wakelock details? It is listed in my included packages when I click Android System in GSam, but it hasn't been showing up in the wakelock.
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I am not sure, wish I had taken a screenshot, but if your Android System use is higher than Kernel it is likely due to System Programu. Honestly I have no desire to install it again and check. I think it showed up with DS Battery Saver logs and is at the top of the list for Manage in GSam under Android System when it is causing high battery usage. Should have checked Net Logs also for more info on what was being sent.
A little rant about this program, best case it is trying to send usage statistics to the vendor (use of what? everything on the phone? how do I disable that? no opt-in or opt-out?). Worse case it is an intentional built-in back door and monitoring system, the app has access to everything on the phone and virtually no user interface other than jumping through hoops to create them. If I were a government agency trying to extract data or a malicious person designing a method to circumvent security I would look at System Programu.
Or even if it really is a misbehaving app designed as a developer tool then it was totally destroying my battery life, and as a developer I have no use for it.
YMMV though, simply perform a Force Stop on System Programu and see if your battery life is better when sleeping.
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And maybe I am entering into crazy guy territory but I find it interesting that SprintHiddenMenu and System Programu both start with the letter S and end with the U. su indeed....
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I am not sure, wish I had taken a screenshot, but if your Android System use is higher than Kernel it is likely due to System Programu. Honestly I have no desire to install it again and check. I think it showed up with DS Battery Saver logs and is at the top of the list for Manage in GSam under Android System when it is causing high battery usage. Should have checked Net Logs also for more info on what was being sent.
A little rant about this program, best case it is trying to send usage statistics to the vendor (use of what? everything on the phone? how do I disable that? no opt-in or opt-out?). Worse case it is an intentional built-in back door and monitoring system, the app has access to everything on the phone and virtually no user interface other than jumping through hoops to create them. If I were a government agency trying to extract data or a malicious person designing a method to circumvent security I would look at System Programu.
Or even if it really is a misbehaving app designed as a developer tool then it was totally destroying my battery life, and as a developer I have no use for it.
YMMV though, simply perform a Force Stop on System Programu and see if your battery life is better when sleeping.
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And maybe I am entering into crazy guy territory but I find it interesting that SprintHiddenMenu and System Programu both start with the letter S and end with the U. su indeed....
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I'm just trying to figure out if I have the issue in the first place. If I leave my phone overnight, it only goes down by about 2-3% in 8 hours. During the day though is when the drain during sleep becomes higher.
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I'm just trying to figure out if I have the issue in the first place. If I leave my phone overnight, it only goes down by about 2-3% in 8 hours. During the day though is when the drain during sleep becomes higher.
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Best way to figure out if it is having an effect on your battery life is just to Force Stop and see what happens, collect new battery stats.
It is a useless app, some people use it for the RTN functionality, which I have no use, and it was clearly trying to do stuff that I was not asking it to.
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Best way to figure out if it is having an effect on your battery life is just to Force Stop and see what happens, collect new battery stats.
It is a useless app, some people use it for the RTN functionality, which I have no use, and it was clearly trying to do stuff that I was not asking it to.
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If you're not on Sprint I don't think there's any issue with just deleting the .apk. Lol
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If you're not on Sprint I don't think there's any issue with just deleting the .apk. Lol
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From what I have read this actually provides the RTN menus on GSM phones that automatically work on CDMA networks like Sprint. It smells like evil though with all that extra functionality.
If I remember right the app was LG branded, and exists on phones other than the Nexus 5.
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From what I have read this actually provides the RTN menus on GSM phones that automatically work on CDMA networks like Sprint. It smells like evil though with all that extra functionality.
If I remember right the app was LG branded, and exists on phones other than the Nexus 5.
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I deleted it from my ROM as I'm in Australia and have no need for it
It was causing a pointless wakelock on my device which is why I removed it in the first place.
alphamerik said:
Best way to figure out if it is having an effect on your battery life is just to Force Stop and see what happens, collect new battery stats.
It is a useless app, some people use it for the RTN functionality, which I have no use, and it was clearly trying to do stuff that I was not asking it to.
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I don't think it ever runs on my phone. I tried to force close it and it's greyed out. I've been checking for the past couple of hours and it seems like it's not running. I did try to greenify before force close, but I de-greenified it. So I guess it might come back when something triggers it. However, my Android system does use more than the kernel.
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This might seem like a question but its not.
Personally what is your opinion on the snapdragon battery guru? Like does it help you out at all?
Any comments on it? I Tried it on my HTC before i broke it (had it for 2 months lmfao) and it was in learning mode and started doing crazy stuff to my phone like turning things on and off and it got annoying but im thinking of using it now since my htc got like 16 hours of battery and i only get about half of that now even after tweaking everything.
Im currently not using it but yes it does help a bit
In my experience it wakelocked my device quite a lot, especially if you move around too much (work, travel). It's whole operation is based on user location, so it has to wake your phone to fetch location and do whatever it needs to do. In the it was a ****ton of wakelocks.
Your experience may vary, try it out yourself and monitor it with wakelock detector.
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In my experience it wakelocked my device quite a lot, especially if you move around too much (work, travel). It's whole operation is based on user location, so it has to wake your phone to fetch location and do whatever it needs to do. In the it was a ****ton of wakelocks.
Your experience may vary, try it out yourself and monitor it with wakelock detector.
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thanks to the wifi problem that comes with kitkat i have to keep my location on "device only" and the app keeps asking for 'location services required'
It Helps
I have been using it for months now. It does help with battery life. I like how it automatically refreshes apps based on usage. I have tons of apps but very few i want to refresh automatically. The low power mode is nice to get the most out of my remaining battery without me having to turn off everything and dim the screen manually.
The "Phone idle" process in this phone is drainage a lot of battery, about 20% average. I understand for Android 6 Google have stricter requirements to list battery stats, but since this device don't have that yet I don't really know what's really causing it.
It's not a big deal yet because the battery life is very good on it's own, so I still have plenty of battery after the end of the day. For now I will try disabling all the gesture features and see if that's the culprit.
I've heard that if you have a lousy LTE signal where you spend most of your time, your phone constantly looks for a better signal and that process drains the battery. How's your signal strength? Maybe try airplane mode and see if that makes a difference.
battery drain in idle is at least 5-6%. noticed that i had battery up in full charge before going to bed and by the morning it was at 94%. no calls/messages/alarms/notifications during that time. however all background sync tasks were running
Not sure whats causing this . Only getting 4 hours sot. Main reason i got it for my work phone because of battery life. Any tips would be great. I have sync on for work email. And lte and almost anything automatic. Had a moto for work before and got 6 hours of sot
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Not sure whats causing this . Only getting 4 hours sot. Main reason i got it for my work phone because of battery life. Any tips would be great. I have sync on for work email. And lte and almost anything automatic. Had a moto for work before and got 6 hours of sot
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I noticed when I turned on Black Screen Gestures the phone drained a lot faster. I turned it off and disabled a bunch of apps and this is what I got so far.
I am getting very good battery life. Stock everything except for root. Black screen gesture on, google now disabled.
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I am getting very good battery life. Stock everything except for root. Black screen gesture on, google now disabled.
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im stock also . did you factory reset your phone? i also notice your on sim 2 slot i might give that a try
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im stock also . did you factory reset your phone? i also notice your on sim 2 slot i might give that a try
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When I rooted my phone, I had to "factory reset" (formatted /data and /cache). I am using sim slot 2 only since I don't want to take the battery out to swap sim if needed. I am not using an SD card.
this is mine . do you see all the Awake . its by android system and idle
this is from the battery monitor app
That's strange.. Something is wrong with that graph for sure.. Have you tried using your phone in safe mode?
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That's strange.. Something is wrong with that graph for sure.. Have you tried using your phone in safe mode?
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how do you disable google now anyways. i only have google now cards turn off i cant find setting to completely disable it.
is this even accurate
1000 mah? instead of 3150mah
I am rooted, I have Greenify, Xposed, and Amplify installed This combination seems to make sure the phone goes in to deep sleep now. Using CPU Spy I was able to see that my phone was not going in to deep sleep very much.
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how do you disable google now anyways. i only have google now cards turn off i cant find setting to completely disable it.
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You can disable Google Now by dialing the Google search app. Or if you have a back up, you can delete the priv-app/velvet folder.
I am getting big time phone drain and I don't even have a SIM card in yet. Battery graph says the phone is awake the whole time. I had black screen gestures enabled but I'm gonna try to disable those.
My phone standby is about 10% drop per day. Dual SIM standby, one AT&T , one TMO.
It drained mine as well. What I was able to do in order to offset it was twofold Xposed and 'prevent running' app. Then simply a matter of disabling everything you can think of that will not interfere with booting. I can list what worked for me as far as apps and system apps if you'd like. I have total 57 and testing tomorrow more. Just over half are system apps like play store play services google+, etc...
Doing that saved almost enough to offset near 25-30% average. Idle as yours. Next I simply adjusted my habits with keeping GPS off, WiFi on though even sleeping.
THE biggest issue is Adups spyware comes pre installed on it. It collects every letter typed, site seen, text sent..All of it. Using terminal emulator and pm disable works until reboot. Freezing it seems to trigger more hidden like com.fw.upgrade.fota.sysoper to collect. I tell you as well many claim to remove it I have tried 12 ways. It is a battle and 1 I contacted BLU over this to no avail. Second BLU phone and last. Huawei, Samsung and ZTE also have this installed for this phone they are (at least the known ones)
com.adups.fota
com.adups.fota.sysoper
com.fw.upgade.fota.sysoper
There are more but offhand I forget them. *.quicksearch something and what is not stock browser but similarly named.
*.sysoper anything is assuredly as are anything with adups in the name. Use Mixplorer and sqlitedb viewer and go to /data/data find the folders and look at the db's it is everything. Sent to a server in Shanghai every 72 hours or less
Anyone using battery monitoring apps like BBS or GSam, can you share some of your stats here? I'm trying to figure out whether the seemingly massive amount of wakelocks I'm having is normal or not. The biggest problems seem to be coming from the kernel itself. BBS shows a lot of kernel wakelock time, and GSam consistently lists the kernel as the highest drain in its app sucker screen. Also, the Phone app seems to be waking the device a lot since upgrading to .5.51, which wasn't a problem on .3.374.
I've attached some screenshots that illustrate the problem. I'm already using ForceDoze and Greenify, which have been enabled via ADB, and I've restricted background activity and data for the vast majority of my apps. I'm really hoping there's something I can do about this given that it's impossible to use another kernel (LB and none available for this phone anyway). I've software repaired/clean flashed 3 times.
My battery drain is actually not bad at under 4%/hr (combined screen on/off) and about 1%/hour with the screen off overnight. Today I've logged over 4.5 hours SOT in a period of 17 hours and am sitting pretty at 36%. That's better than any phone I've ever used. But I worry that all the wakelocks are using my phone's CPU, raising its temperature, and might contribute to faster battery degradation.
Also, this is with bluetooth off and my Pebble not paired, but battery drain becomes substantially worse with that setup. My idle drain triples with my Pebble connected. I'm trying to troubleshoot one issue at a time and want to nail these wakelocks before moving onto the bluetooth issues.
If your battery stats looked like mine and especially if you figured out how to fix it, please share!
Given that Sony ended .5.51 deployment prematurely and is currently rolling out .8.49, I think you should update to .8.49 (or wait until your region gets the update if you don't have it yet) then recheck if your problem still persists.
Pouring time and resources into a version that Sony is no longer pushing isn't that great of an investment, especially since it's possible that it was fixed in .8.49.
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Given that Sony ended .5.51 deployment prematurely and is currently rolling out .8.49, I think you should update to .8.49 (or wait until your region gets the update if you don't have it yet) then recheck if your problem still persists.
Pouring time and resources into a version that Sony is no longer pushing isn't that great of an investment, especially since it's possible that it was fixed in .8.49.
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Everything except the phone app using more battery was the same on .374. And I fixed that after force stopping the phone app and rebooting. I've been trying to troubleshoot this for weeks but just upgraded to .5.51 a couple of days ago. I will flash it when it comes out for Customized UK, but I don't think .5.51 is the root of the problem.
(Oh cool, Xperifirm actually shows .8.49 available for Customized UK now. Time for some flashing!)
Edit: I'm seeing the same degree of wakelocks so far on .8.49.
Update: The battery drain from "phone" is actually Android System. There's a bug in Oreo where sometimes Android System is showing as Phone/RCS in the battery stats. Doesn't explain why Android System is using so much battery though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7f7jk2/pixel_2_rcs_battery_drain_is_there_any_way_to/
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/7edcav/rcsservice_draining_battery/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/rcs-draining-battery.657535/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/rcs-service.666045/
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/found-way-to-end-rcs-sucking-battery-after-oreo.659711/
So I managed to get a lot of my battery drain figured out, but a few things are still bothering me.
1) Google Play Services and Android System and/or Phone (see my last post) are using the Significant Motion Sensor to wake my device constantly.
2) Sony's smart charger (com.sonymobile.smartcharger) is waking my device. I'm assuming this has something to do with Battery Care, which I find to be a useful feature. But why does it need to continue sending alarms to wake up our phones when not plugged in?
I've attached 2 screenshots from Better Battery Stats showing the first issue (Sensors/Play Services and Phone) and 1 showing the second (Alarms/Smart Charger). Note the "wakeup=true" and long times recorded for Significant Motion. This held true when I had my phone sitting face-down on a table for 6+ hours to do battery testing earlier.
Anyone else who uses battery monitoring apps: have you noticed any similar issues?
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So I managed to get a lot of my battery drain figured out, but a few things are still bothering me.
1) Google Play Services and Android System and/or Phone (see my last post) are using the Significant Motion Sensor to wake my device constantly.
2) Sony's smart charger (com.sonymobile.smartcharger) is waking my device. I'm assuming this has something to do with Battery Care, which I find to be a useful feature. But why does it need to continue sending alarms to wake up our phones when not plugged in?
I've attached 2 screenshots from Better Battery Stats showing the first issue (Sensors/Play Services and Phone) and 1 showing the second (Alarms/Smart Charger). Note the "wakeup=true" and long times recorded for Significant Motion. This held true when I had my phone sitting face-down on a table for 6+ hours to do battery testing earlier.
Anyone else who uses battery monitoring apps: have you noticed any similar issues?
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I'm with you on RCSService being main culpirt for me. No I don't think it's a bug, it actually does use lots of battery. I listen to 3+ hours of bluetooth music a day and when I saw that RCSService was using more power than my bluetooth, then I thought it was time to experiment. So I uninstalled Carrier Service and RCSService and suddenly my battery life jumped by 20%. There was something in the November update to these services that made them go nuts. Several people have noticed a jump in battery usage, but most people, myself included, thought it was down to the new firmware. Uninstalling these 'features' has made no difference to SMS for me, other than I don't get a read confirmation.
I don't know about smart charger, sorry.
Pretty sure the proximity sensor is always on and that must use some power, but I don't know what that would be called in BBS.
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I'm with you on RCSService being main culpirt for me. No I don't think it's a bug, it actually does use lots of battery. I listen to 3+ hours of bluetooth music a day and when I saw that RCSService was using more power than my bluetooth, then I thought it was time to experiment. So I uninstalled Carrier Service and RCSService and suddenly my battery life jumped by 20%. There was something in the November update to these services that made them go nuts. Several people have noticed a jump in battery usage, but most people, myself included, thought it was down to the new firmware. Uninstalling these 'features' has made no difference to SMS for me, other than I don't get a read confirmation.
I don't know about smart charger, sorry.
Pretty sure the proximity sensor is always on and that must use some power, but I don't know what that would be called in BBS.
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Thanks! I should clarify that when I say it's a bug, I believe something is using a lot of battery, but I don't know that it's necessarily Phone/RCS, because it shows up randomly as either that or just Android System. I think it might be something within Android System but being labeled as Phone or RCS. (Edit: Or the other way around; it could be 100% RCS and sometimes shows up as Android System because the phone is part of that umbrella.) I could be wrong but based my judgment on the links I posted above.
That being said, I disabled Carrier Services on your recommendation in the other thread because my carrier doesn't support VoLTE, VoWiFi, or RCS, I've never seen a "delivered" message, and I don't even use the Google Messages app anyway (I use Texra for SMS and keep Messages disabled). So like you, I don't need these services. And I do think there's been an improvement. Might be time to go through the rest of what you recommended via ADB. The only thing that concerns me about doing that is that I'll have to factory reset if I ever switch carriers and want those services, but I guess that's a small price to pay and an unlikely scenario anyway.
The smart charger thing is just weird. It shouldn't need to constantly check whether I'm charging since it kicks in when you plug in. Yesterday I disabled battery care during the day and re-enabled it at night to charge, and I had the best battery life since I've owned the phone: 4.5 hours of SOT over 18 hours off the charger with 30% remaining. I may have to look at idle drain with battery care disabled. I like the idea of battery care, but if it's draining my battery then it just defeats the purpose.
Regarding sensors, BBS has its own category for proximity sensor; this is a separate sensor for significant motion. Somehow Google Play Services and either Phone/RCS or Android System are using that particular sensor all the time. And not just listening to it, but causing lots of wakeups and doing so while the device is sitting on a table all night. I can only deduce that it's somehow seeing motion when there isn't any.
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Regarding sensors, BBS has its own category for proximity sensor; this is a separate sensor for significant motion. Somehow Google Play Services and either Phone/RCS or Android System are using that particular sensor all the time. And not just listening to it, but causing lots of wakeups and doing so while the device is sitting on a table all night. I can only deduce that it's somehow seeing motion when there isn't any.
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Do you have 'On Body Detection' enabled in smart lock? That would force the phone to affirm if it's moving/stationary regularly and quite often.
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Do you have 'On Body Detection' enabled in smart lock? That would force the phone to affirm if it's moving/stationary regularly and quite often.
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I never enabled that from the start, but just checked in case Google did something, and it's still off.
I also checked my app permissions, and the only ones with access to body sensors are Google Play Services and Tasker. None of my active Tasker profiles require the significant motion sensor. One of them does use the orientation sensor to turn the speakerphone on when it's face-up during a call, but I tried disabling that profile and the stats didn't change.
Maybe I have a messed-up accelerometer...do you know of a way to test that? (Edit: Found it in the Support app - my accelerometer, gyroscope, and proximity sensor are fine)
I think I might head to the Sony Mobile forums with the smart charger issue for that matter. It may be a bug that affects all phones with Qnovo features, or maybe they could at least give me an explanation.
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Might be time to go through the rest of what you recommended via ADB. The only thing that concerns me about doing that is that I'll have to factory reset if I ever switch carriers and want those services, but I guess that's a small price to pay and an unlikely scenario anyway.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just "reinstall" those services via the same adb commands? Where you typed uninstall, just replace with install?
Maybe, but I don't know where I would be installing them from...? Since I don't have a backup of the package. I uninstalled a bunch of stuff via adb before and it didn't return with a dirty reflash. I had to flash userdata. So that's all I'm going by.
I'm not sure of the actual technical mechanics, but I believe uninstalling system apps doesn't actually remove the package from the system image, so you can reinstall them at any time.
I think it's like taking down a sign on a store, the actual store is still there, just all references to it are no longer there, so to the OS it's not listed - "uninstalled".
Hello - was there any solution found for this issue?
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Hi there, what was the final solution to your issue?
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Hi there, what was the final solution to your issue?
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I gave up. I still have a ton of wakelocks. GSAM shows a bunch of them even when my phone is supposedly dozing. My battery life is OK, not nearly as great as I hoped I'd have with this phone, but it gets me through the day so I've just been living with it. I have noticed better battery on the latest firmware (July patch) than June. I also got rid of the RCS stuff, which helped a bit. And finally I traced a lot of my drain to an app I was using called "hide running in background notification" which the last few firmwares can do natively.
(Edit: Sorry for missing your previous post!)
Edit: I was sadly mistaken about better battery on the July patch. The battery is only better if I'm not on wifi. I posted in the wifi drain thread about it just now.
I would like to say that i hope to make this thread a sticky, and that we as community, can help each other to eliminate the problem with standby drain or any battery related issue.
I would like to open with a recent issue related to Pie, rouge apps, which results in too much battery drain on idle and overnight.
I recently disabled powergenie to maximize performance of device and make sure that my apps won't auto dim(i'll post the commands here, so you won't have to search it):
pm disable-user --user 0 com.huawei.powergenie
pm uninstall --user 0 com.huawei.powergenie
I've been monitoring the battery life ever since, and noticed at first a faster drain on idle, that's because i had some rogue dating apps that i didn't think drain too much(PowerGenie might have prevented them from over draining, even though they ran in the background).
Which brings me to the next conclusion- On android PIE, media apps might drain more power than usual, as it wasn't the case with Oreo.
Since i use various dating apps like Tinder,Grindr,OkCupid, it all might contributed to that fact, mainly tinder which was draining battery even in silent operation.
Some here are some advices: If u use dating apps, at least tinder, make sure it's not running in the background.
Instagram is also a battery sucker, facebook app is the biggest sucker, u might use facebook and messenger light.
When you go to sleep, make sure that u have no active media apps in the background, as they'll try to connect to the net even if you have turned it off(Using Airplane mode kinda defeats the purpose of low idle drain), make sure to turn off all unneeded services such as Bluetooth, Wifi, Mobile Data, Location.
I'll update it, the more i'll find, i'll post some of my recent battery life(was using phone whole night, so it didn't overdrain in the night or idle time).
Powergenie specifically kills app wakelocks that are running too long if they aren't white listed so it's not surprising that some "rogue apps" are causing power drain after you disabled Powergenie since stopping rogue apps from causing power drain is the purpose of Powergenie in the first place.
I'm assuming you disabled Powergenie so you would receive more timely notifications but you probably ended up killing a fly with a bazooka.
There are less aggressive methods that generally fix that problem like removing important apps from Huawei's battery optomization and changing the app's notification priority to the highest available.
Unless your phone is rooted it's impossible for you to block any wakelocks yourself and closing the apps you see open in the display window doesn't stop them from running in the background--it just frees memory.
You can manually stop apps running from the settings/applications menu but they can be restarted by another app or by a system process.
I wish you luck but with Powergenie disabled you are going to end up with additional idle battery drain.
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Powergenie specifically kills app wakelocks that are running too long if they aren't white listed so it's not surprising that some "rogue apps" are causing power drain after you disabled Powergenie since stopping rogue apps from causing power drain is the purpose of Powergenie in the first place.
I'm assuming you disabled Powergenie so you would receive more timely notifications but you probably ended up killing a fly with a bazooka.
There are less aggressive methods that generally fix that problem like removing important apps from Huawei's battery optomization and changing the app's notification priority to the highest available.
Unless your phone is rooted it's impossible for you to block any wakelocks yourself and closing the apps you see open in the display window doesn't stop them from running in the background--it just frees memory.
You can manually stop apps running from the settings/applications menu but they can be restarted by another app or by a system process.
I wish you luck but with Powergenie disabled you are going to end up with additional idle battery drain.
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Not sure there I've had this removed for almost 2 weeks and I have quite a vast improvement in the battery performance, also I was having background colour issues with XDA, huawei video and YouTube which has since stopped. Apps open a lot faster and even when I opened Google photos There was a pause in loading photos which has since gone.
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Powergenie specifically kills app wakelocks that are running too long if they aren't white listed so it's not surprising that some "rogue apps" are causing power drain after you disabled Powergenie since stopping rogue apps from causing power drain is the purpose of Powergenie in the first place.
I'm assuming you disabled Powergenie so you would receive more timely notifications but you probably ended up killing a fly with a bazooka.
There are less aggressive methods that generally fix that problem like removing important apps from Huawei's battery optomization and changing the app's notification priority to the highest available.
Unless your phone is rooted it's impossible for you to block any wakelocks yourself and closing the apps you see open in the display window doesn't stop them from running in the background--it just frees memory.
You can manually stop apps running from the settings/applications menu but they can be restarted by another app or by a system process.
I wish you luck but with Powergenie disabled you are going to end up with additional idle battery drain.
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That's why it's in testing phase, i get notification and no force close apps. removed hauwei launcher and now toying with powergenie.
I might bring it back and see how it fares on vs it's off, when it's off, you gotta be more aware of wakelocks as you said.
Derpling said:
That's why it's in testing phase, i get notification and no force close apps. removed hauwei launcher and now toying with powergenie.
I might bring it back and see how it fares on vs it's off, when it's off, you gotta be more aware of wakelocks as you said.
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I also uninstalled Powergenie 3 weeks ago. Don't really notice a difference with the battery time. But I'm happy my screen no longers dims brightness within certain apps.
Darkat70 said:
Not sure there I've had this removed for almost 2 weeks and I have quite a vast improvement in the battery performance, also I was having background colour issues with XDA, huawei video and YouTube which has since stopped. Apps open a lot faster and even when I opened Google photos There was a pause in loading photos which has since gone.
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I remember somewhere you said you could still see your battery software stats, despite uninstalling Powergenie? You had installed GSam battery monitor if I'm right? Then do you need to give that app permissions via ADB? Otherwise you won't be able to see the app usage right? After only installing GSam battery monitor I don't see the app usage yet. Also do you have the free or pro version? And doesn't GSam battery itself consume battery?
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I also uninstalled Powergenie 3 weeks ago. Don't really notice a difference with the battery time. But I'm happy my screen no longers dims brightness within certain apps.
I remember somewhere you said you could still see your battery software stats, despite uninstalling Powergenie? You had installed GSam battery monitor if I'm right? Then do you need to give that app permissions via ADB? Otherwise you won't be able to see the app usage right? After only installing GSam battery monitor I don't see the app usage yet. Also do you have the free or pro version? And doesn't GSam battery itself consume battery?
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The stats in battery are gone, but I have Gsam battery Pro, it seems to not use much battery at all, but then I am relying on Gsam to tell me about its own product, but it has the stats pretty reasonable.
Don't understand what the top numbers are about but tells me I'm getting average of 9.20 screen on time, and 10.10 hrs max
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The stats in battery are gone, but I have Gsam battery Pro, it seems to not use much battery at all, but then I am relying on Gsam to tell me about its own product, but it has the stats pretty reasonable.
Don't understand what the top numbers are about but tells me I'm getting average of 9.20 screen on time, and 10.10 hrs max
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Oke. I've installed the app but can't see the software usage yet. Do I need to grant GSam battery monitor acces via adb before I can see my software usage?
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Oke. I've installed the app but can't see the software usage yet. Do I need to grant GSam battery monitor acces via adb before I can see my software usage?
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Yes, it should prompt you the instructions when you start it.
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Not sure there I've had this removed for almost 2 weeks and I have quite a vast improvement in the battery performance, also I was having background colour issues with XDA, huawei video and YouTube which has since stopped. Apps open a lot faster and even when I opened Google photos There was a pause in loading photos which has since gone.
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Seeing an improvement in battery service likely depends on what apps you actually have installed. Apps that were referred to in a separate post as "rogue apps" have wakelocks that will prevent the phone from going to sleep and cause constant battery drain. They are coded either accidentally or intentionally so they will not be affected by standard power saving measures coded into stock Android.
Social media and dating apps are the most likely to do this on purpose so users always receive notifications immediately rather than when Google Play Services does a background sync. These types of user installed apps don't have the elevated system priveledges of something like an sms app so the only way to make them provide notifications immediately is to keep the apps awake in the background which drains battery.
I'm surprised you would see improved battery life with PowerGenie disabled but apparently PowerGenie is using more power blocking wakelocks than the apps creating the wakelocks use when left alone.
I haven't experienced any of the problems that you say disabling PowerGenie fixed on your handset but there are slightly different versions of the OS depending on where and how you got your phone. Some have carrier specific apps. Some have the Google Trust Agent and standard Google Smart Lock options. Some have the Huawei Trust Agent instead and only have a smart lock option for Bluetooth devices. Some have the standard Google Feed as an option on the stock launcher and others have a Huawei created screen instead. Some features are different or missing altogether depending on what region you select for the phone. Some stock Huawei stock apps don't work at all in certain regions. There are a whole lot of variables involved so everybody isn't going to have the same results that you had when disabling PowerGenie.
There's also the difference between the LG and BOE displays. I had phones with both and kept the handset with the LG display because it was brighter, had much richer colors and noticably faster pixel response.
I did notice an issue with brightness dimming while certain apps were running but only on the handset with the BOE display.
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Seeing an improvement in battery service likely depends on what apps you actually have installed. Apps that were referred to in a separate post as "rogue apps" have wakelocks that will prevent the phone from going to sleep and cause constant battery drain. They are coded either accidentally or intentionally so they will not be affected by standard power saving measures coded into stock Android.
Social media and dating apps are the most likely to do this on purpose so users always receive notifications immediately rather than when Google Play Services does a background sync. These types of user installed apps don't have the elevated system priveledges of something like an sms app so the only way to make them provide notifications immediately is to keep the apps awake in the background which drains battery.
I'm surprised you would see improved battery life with PowerGenie disabled but apparently PowerGenie is using more power blocking wakelocks than the apps creating the wakelocks use when left alone.
I haven't experienced any of the problems that you say disabling PowerGenie fixed on your handset but there are slightly different versions of the OS depending on where and how you got your phone. Some have carrier specific apps. Some have the Google Trust Agent and standard Google Smart Lock options. Some have the Huawei Trust Agent instead and only have a smart lock option for Bluetooth devices. Some have the standard Google Feed as an option on the stock launcher and others have a Huawei created screen instead. Some features are different or missing altogether depending on what region you select for the phone. Some stock Huawei stock apps don't work at all in certain regions. There are a whole lot of variables involved so everybody isn't going to have the same results that you had when disabling PowerGenie.
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Indeed, I put my dating and social media apps on auto manage and brought powergenie back for now.
Results vary between different configurations, but social media apps needs to be kept eye on, in case you decide to doable powergenie
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Seeing an improvement in battery service likely depends on what apps you actually have installed. Apps that were referred to in a separate post as "rogue apps" have wakelocks that will prevent the phone from going to sleep and cause constant battery drain. They are coded either accidentally or intentionally so they will not be affected by standard power saving measures coded into stock Android.
Social media and dating apps are the most likely to do this on purpose so users always receive notifications immediately rather than when Google Play Services does a background sync. These types of user installed apps don't have the elevated system priveledges of something like an sms app so the only way to make them provide notifications immediately is to keep the apps awake in the background which drains battery.
I'm surprised you would see improved battery life with PowerGenie disabled but apparently PowerGenie is using more power blocking wakelocks than the apps creating the wakelocks use when left alone.
I haven't experienced any of the problems that you say disabling PowerGenie fixed on your handset but there are slightly different versions of the OS depending on where and how you got your phone. Some have carrier specific apps. Some have the Google Trust Agent and standard Google Smart Lock options. Some have the Huawei Trust Agent instead and only have a smart lock option for Bluetooth devices. Some have the standard Google Feed as an option on the stock launcher and others have a Huawei created screen instead. Some features are different or missing altogether depending on what region you select for the phone. Some stock Huawei stock apps don't work at all in certain regions. There are a whole lot of variables involved so everybody isn't going to have the same results that you had when disabling PowerGenie.
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None of this really is relevant to the fact that I was using the phone for 8 weeks with power genie, then soon as I have removed it I have seen a dramatic improvement. The results speak for themselves.
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None of this really is relevant to the fact that I was using the phone for 8 weeks with power genie, then soon as I have removed it I have seen a dramatic improvement. The results speak for themselves.
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Except the thread OP who followed your advice is now apparently experiencing signifigantly more battery drain with PowerGenie disabled (which is the opposite of your experience) and the fact that I haven't seen any of the problems disabling PowerGenie fixed for you.
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Except the thread OP who followed your advice is now apparently experiencing signifigantly more battery drain with PowerGenie disabled (which is the opposite of your experience) and the fact that I haven't seen any of the problems disabling PowerGenie fixed for you.
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Still irrelevant, since I have better performance and quality improvement. So you stating that it's not possible doesn't change the fact that it is.
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Since I updated to .187 I have a strange issue.
I booted into recovery cleared the cache, fully charge the battery at 100% I get 11minutes before dropping to 99%
If I Go to apps and manually clear the cache 1 by 1 fully charge I get 36 minutes before dropping to 99%
This is with or without powergenie. Which is currently disabled.
Very strange.
Why is it if I have uninstalled Power Genie is it possible to still be a running service.
Developer options/running service
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Yes, also running on mine even after disabling it.
Just stopped it now. Let's see the results. In any case, pretty happy with the battery so far. Also phone is snappier now.
i have tried both with and with out for weeks at a time same usage pattern same network same location, and settings and the only difference i notice is that on idle with out powergenie the phone discharges faster with powergenie enable it stays for a longer time with out losing juice in terms of SOT and usage it was basically the same with it on or off. At least for me.
I've got a problem with the removal of Powergenie since Emui 9.1
On Emui 9.0 I had no problems whatsoever. But since 9.1.0.300 my battery drains very quick. I even tried factory resetting a few times, without backup and I don't have much apps installed, the same apps as I had on 9.0... Also the battery charges slower, because the phone gets hotter. I checked for draining apps with GSam battery monitor, but all apps behave normal.
Only when I put Powergenie back the problems are gone...
I had this problem first on 9.1.0.300, then 9.1.0.310 and now still on 9.1.0.320.
I really want a solution for this problem as I don't want to keep Powergenie installed. With Powergenie installed my screen dims in bright apps. So when I open an app like Whatsapp, Chrome, GMail, or even the calender or notes app, the screen gets dimmer. When you close the app, the screen gets brighter again. This is so terrible annoying and I don't like this behaviour at all.
As far as I know there is no other solution for this problem, except uninstalling Powergenie.... Before I found the Powergenie solution I was really thinking about returning or selling this phone, just because of the dimming issue. But now there is a new problem
Can anyone help me with this problem? Does anyone else have this same issue? Right now I'm even thinking about buying another phone... But maybe Android 10 / Emui 10 will fix the problem?
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I've got a problem with the removal of Powergenie since Emui 9.1
On Emui 9.0 I had no problems whatsoever. But since 9.1.0.300 my battery drains very quick. I even tried factory resetting a few times, without backup and I don't have much apps installed, the same apps as I had on 9.0... Also the battery charges slower, because the phone gets hotter. I checked for draining apps with GSam battery monitor, but all apps behave normal.
Only when I put Powergenie back the problems are gone...
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I don't remember reading about a similar problem...so are you sure it's not an app or something else you uninstalled? I have none of these problems (and I whacked Power Genie 3 months ago, along with 3-4 other Huawei apps) - certainly I didn't expect charging to be affected or that the battery drains actually faster.
The fact that factory default does not have a positive effect is alarming - remind me, does that also restore the system apps you uninstalled using adb? I thought it does...
Running 9.1.0.325 on LYA-L0C.
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I don't remember reading about a similar problem...so are you sure it's not an app or something else you uninstalled? I have none of these problems (and I whacked Power Genie 3 months ago, along with 3-4 other Huawei apps) - certainly I didn't expect charging to be affected or that the battery drains actually faster.
The fact that factory default does not have a positive effect is alarming - remind me, does that also restore the system apps you uninstalled using adb? I thought it does...
Running 9.1.0.325 on LYA-L0C.
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I even had Powergenie uninstalled since around March I think. Never had a problem with it untill Emui 9.1 came.
I have not installed any new app. It surely is strange that a factory reset doesn't help. But when I enable Powergenie again, the battery behaves normally again. But then I have that horrible screen dimming back. :crying:
Hi, I suspect this is part of planned obsolescence scheme but, for no reason my GS10 suddenly won't fast charge until I have plugged and unplugged several times with no changes in cable position or port. And when it finally goes to fast charge, and I put the phone to rest, it'll eventually stop fast charging for no reason despite having not moved (but won't change the indicated time, it just doesn't progress anymore).
But also and more worrying, I noticed a tendencies for the past few dies for the battery to die even on idle very rapidly, and when I looked at GSAM I discovered that the Android system was using 47% of my battery, had send 5GO of data god knows where (despite common suspect like Accidental Touch, Auto-sync of data or Adaptive battery being deactivated). Upon investigating option I discovered that a new option in Location for "Earthwake Alert" which I never agreed to or activated (which thankfully Europe is about to make illegal).
I deactivated it, I don't know if it'll make things better, but I also still don't know what kind of compressed data the system has been stealing from me without any input or approval.
Any help or information for the fast-charge and the Android system warez are welcome. Thanks you.
Sounds to me like you have some runaway app or setting causing the problem, more than anything else. Maybe you have malware or a virus as well.
You said you have 5GO of data usage suddenly (I assume you mean 5GB?)... that is what also makes me think you have malware or something. If that's the case, you may want to see what apps you recently installed, as one of them may be a problem. You mentioned warez, so if you're sideloading things, that could be the source as well. I'm not saying that all side-loads are safe, but you're likely are more risk if you don't know what you're doing... particularly if you're using pirated software. Not judging on the piracy, just stating the risk.
With a high load, I imagine charging could be compromised as well. If the battery gets too hot, fast charging will be disable to protect it. If you're phone is getting hot, you have a bigger problem and it's not "planned obsolescense" but likely a runaway app/virus/malware.
I'd say, try a virus scanner (I like Avast, in general) and still look through the apps you have. Something isn't right. What do other battery apps tell you for usage? Maybe they'll see what app is the source of the wakelocks (different apps usually show different results, so try Accubattery, for example, and also check what Android reports itself).
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Sounds to me like you have some runaway app or setting causing the problem, more than anything else. Maybe you have malware or a virus as well.
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Thanks. Well the malware is Google's Earthquake Alerts Location system which stole 5GB of data from me et run my battery to the ground. I don't what happened, it this infuriates me, because they're literally stealing private data from me.
For fast-charging, I don't know, my smartphone is not running necessarily hot when plugged at home, but maybe the exterior temperature could be a factor.
How did you find out that the Earthquake alerts was the issue? Your previous post didn't have much info to work with, so it sounds like you've tried some other things, so it would help to know what you've found.
It certainly could have runaway from you, but I would expect to see other people reporting the same problem if it's a larger issue.
Do you have any "battery saver" apps running? Those often make things worse, and can cause apps to have to constantly restart, which takes up more power. I've never seen it happen this badly, but you shouldn't need an app killing app... Android does a pretty decent job (often too aggressive due to Samsung's modifications, honestly, but not to this degree).
Do you have a stock ROM? Rooted? Modified in any other way?
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How did you find out that the Earthquake alerts was the issue? Your previous post didn't have much info to work with, so it sounds like you've tried some other things, so it would help to know what you've found.
It certainly could have runaway from you, but I would expect to see other people reporting the same problem if it's a larger issue.
Do you have any "battery saver" apps running? Those often make things worse, and can cause apps to have to constantly restart, which takes up more power. I've never seen it happen this badly, but you shouldn't need an app killing app... Android does a pretty decent job (often too aggressive due to Samsung's modifications, honestly, but not to this degree).
Do you have a stock ROM? Rooted? Modified in any other way?
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I have stock rom, with Alliance X installed which doesn't do much, but yes upon investigating what the heck was going on, I very quickly found this Earthquake Alert thing that was there before, it's the only element that changed.
And also the fact that Android stole 5GO of data which is huge, god know where is just one of many absolutely abusive if not illegal thing that's going to make me switch anyway.
I have Gsam running, but no battery saver besides the developper options set to minimizes processes.
Like I said, it's not likely that software, because if this was happening a lot then others would report it. It still could be happening on your phone, so I'm not promising it's not, but that could be due to some corruption or something on your particular phone. You can supposedly turn that off, so I'd try that... if the problem goes away, then that would be definitive proof. At that point, I'd suspect corruption on your system, which you can try to fix by reflashing the ROM (via ODIN, for example).
Hello ogretactic, the alliance X stock rom you found the tutorial on which forum. Can be seen directly with the person who mounted the stock rom, there is surely an update following feedback from members.
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Hello ogretactic, the alliance X stock rom you found the tutorial on which forum. Can be seen directly with the person who mounted the stock rom, there is surely an update following feedback from members.
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I just updated it. Because I am panicked: my phone ****ing did it again: it's eating 33% of the battery, and has sent 5go of data again. It's driving me crazy that nobody knows how to read Gsam system tracking
Hello ogreTactic, you can find your Alliance X rom on XDA.
See if there is not someone who has traced this battery bug which discharges quickly, perhaps a setting in battery and maintenance of the device.