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What's wrong with my battery?

Hi,
After seeing reports of everyone's awesome battery life, mine seems terrible - it will only last about 12 hours with 2 hours screen on time, just Web browsing and listening to music really. I noticed my signal strength seems poor most of the time, but I have been in rural locations so that isn't necessarily unexpected.
I bought the phone from Fido (Rogers) but unlocked it to use on koodo, that shouldn't make a difference should it?
I'm thinking of sending it for repair /replacement but I really don't want to as my fall back phone is a pos Galaxy Ace II. There shouldn't be much crap running in the background and I've tried a factory reset so I'm not sure what else to do?

Return it.
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notrohsilem said:
Hi,
After seeing reports of everyone's awesome battery life, mine seems terrible - it will only last about 12 hours with 2 hours screen on time, just Web browsing and listening to music really. I noticed my signal strength seems poor most of the time, but I have been in rural locations so that isn't necessarily unexpected.
I bought the phone from Fido (Rogers) but unlocked it to use on koodo, that shouldn't make a difference should it?
I'm thinking of sending it for repair /replacement but I really don't want to as my fall back phone is a pos Galaxy Ace II. There shouldn't be much crap running in the background and I've tried a factory reset so I'm not sure what else to do?
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Install betterbatterystats and see whats causing the drain. Post some screenshots here and maybe we can help you

I had really bad battery on my first X. Called Motorola and got a brand new replacement and have excellent battery now using the same apps. Just get it replaced.
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OK here are some screens. The signal is terrible for a lot of it but that doesn't seem to be the problem, just that it doesn't have enough juice.
I probably will return it, which is going to suck. It's an awesome phone otherwise.

I'm using an unlocked Rogers Moto X with Koodo. Having great battery life for the most part. I do find its better running 4.4 (using the AT&T 4.4 release) however to install it you would need to unlock your bootloader which voids the warranty. Cycle the battery another day or two, if that makes no difference then the battery may in fact be bad.

Steve-x said:
I'm using an unlocked Rogers Moto X with Koodo. Having great battery life for the most part. I do find its better running 4.4 (using the AT&T 4.4 release) however to install it you would need to unlock your bootloader which voids the warranty. Cycle the battery another day or two, if that makes no difference then the battery may in fact be bad.
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I would like to install 4.4, but as you said it will screw me over unfortunately. I've had the phone 2+ weeks now, I've only just got home to do anything about it so it should have had plenty of time to settle in. Looks like a trip to Fido is in order!

notrohsilem said:
OK here are some screens. The signal is terrible for a lot of it but that doesn't seem to be the problem, just that it doesn't have enough juice.
I probably will return it, which is going to suck. It's an awesome phone otherwise.
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You surely should return it, mine lasts much longer with harder use

Do you have root? Try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432729&highlight=freeze
The install better battery stats or gsam and try to figure it out. If you're running up to the end of your return period, then I guess you should exchange it.
I don't believe that phones have "bad" battery life; you just have to find out what's cause the problem in your particular case.

I am getting similar results all of a sudden. Stock not rooted. I get about 2 hours of screen on time with about 13 hours uptime

Do [either of] you have location reporting on? Look at notro's screenshots, those consistent wake blue slivers "look" like location reporting...

I'm also getting results like these. I got this phone on Craigslist, so I don't know exactly how to go about returning it. I was thinking about sending it back to Motorola since the phone is still under the 1 year warranty. I tried chatting online with Motorola customer service, but they just gave me some tips on how to improve battery life. Any ideas? Thanks.

prelives14 said:
I'm also getting results like these. I got this phone on Craigslist, so I don't know exactly how to go about returning it. I was thinking about sending it back to Motorola since the phone is still under the 1 year warranty. I tried chatting online with Motorola customer service, but they just gave me some tips on how to improve battery life. Any ideas? Thanks.
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Post #11 is correct, turn off google location reporting. Turned mine off 2 days ago and the battery is back to where it was with 4.2
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Third Party DIY Nexus 10 Internal Battery Replace & Review

Apologies in advance, I could not post proper links for this review due to my low post count.
Background
I ordered a Nexus 10 on November 20th, 2012. Initially, I was pleased by the battery life (~6.5 hours). Probably a bit like the "Boiling Frog" metaphor, the battery life degraded and I didn't notice it. I began to notice the battery degradation recently when my tablet began doing the 0% battery shutdown at ~30%.
First thing I did was get on the phone with Google, to see if I could get them to warranty the battery. Being a couple of months out of warranty, I wasn't expecting it to work, but it couldn't hurt. Denied. So, I called Samsung. After two hours and 8 different technical support phone numbers, they couldn't recognize my tablet serial number. I'm guessing it was unrecognized (which is no excuse, by the way) because I bought it on the Google Play Store. Besides all that, they didn't recognize the product name, kept calling it strange stuff like Nexus 10.1 or Nexus Note. They told me they would research and return my call at a later time.
My Nexus 10 is a daily driver with a minimum of 3 hours of use a day and often over 6. After impatiently waiting a few days, I began to panic. I began to believe that I had paid ~$500 for a device that, after a few more cells died, was going to be an expensive brick. I did some research and could find NO reviews on the NewPower99 battery kit, and since I felt that my options were relatively few, I decided to take the plunge.
Kit Contents and Cost
Ordered from Amazon for $75.41 (shipping and taxes included)
1 Cameron Sino 9000 mAh 33.3Wh Lithium-Polymer Battery Pack
One tiny screw screwdriver
Two tiny plastic prying tools
One plastic video disk (Not sure what it does, they special players can spin it fast and a video will play(!!??))
The Replacement and Pitfalls
Rather than using the included plastic video disk, I searched YouTube until I found the video: NewPower99 by NewLife2OldStuff. It's a great primer for this battery replacement, but there are a few parts where the disassembler's chubby fingers get in the way of disconnecting connectors. I suggest watching a few other Nexus 10 teardown videos prior to the actual teardown.
Prior to this, I had not attempted any mobile device disassembly/assembly. I did break a little insulation on the video card connector on the main board but this is due to me only watching the NewPower99 video and missing a detail (pull the display cable rather than flip the connector). Also due to how delicate the internals are, I did not push the display connector in far enough, which led to the display power being spotty. So, I had to redisassemble the tablet a few days later and reconnect it. Had I done more research and been a bit more patient, I'm sure the replacement would have been flawless.
The aftermath
My tablet has not yet exploded. As a matter of fact, one week in, I'm amazed. I've fell back in love with my tablet. Since the battery replacement, I usually don't need to charge until the end of the day. I run a conservative brightness on the display and, of course, that helps. Also, while I've done no metrics, I believe I've seen an unintended improvement: the charge time has improved. It was not unusual for me to plugin during sleep and still not have a full charge in the morning, which I haven't seen happen since battery replacement.
At a later time, I intend to respond to this post with an unscientific update on the battery's life. If the battery life stays relatively the same, I wouldn't really mind yearly replacement at this battery's warranty limitation and probably expected minimum life. Small price to pay for great battery life and a very underrated tablet.
Also, Samsung did, finally, return my support call a few days ago but I never called back. Don't call me, I'll call you .

Light Statistics (screenshots below)
~11:46 battery time
~6:45 display on time (top battery user)
~1:45 RetroArch (runner up top battery user)
These aren't really shabby for this tablet. Non-scientifically: the display was at ~25% brightness (in-house usage) >95% of the time, and never went below that. ~3-5% of the time the display was 100% (outdoors).
Program usage was an ordinary day of tablet use.

Not going to lie this is quite an informative post since the battery went bad over the course of a year later... I don't use my tablet as much as I first used to, but with all this android tech talk and new phones coming out at this time I use it more than I normally have (and also for the room 2 love that game!). I will definitely subscribe to this post so I have it handy if/when my battery starts doing the same thing as well in due time.

Thanks for this thread. My tablet has been going to 0% when it reaches 15%. So I've been looking to get a replacement battery. Cheers mate.

Avuton Olrich said:
Besides all that, they didn't recognize the product name, kept calling it strange stuff like Nexus 10.1 or Nexus Note.
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Next time, give them the model #. Samsung GT-P8110

thanks for posting this. is it better to buy the cameron battery from amazon or thru this link: http://www.cameronsinobattery.com/tienda/prodList.asp?idcategory=32&curPage=3&sortField=description
and how about newpower99.com is it a reliable/legit seller?

xOnerOs said:
thanks for posting this. is it better to buy the cameron battery from amazon or thru this link: http://www.cameronsinobattery.com/tienda/prodList.asp?idcategory=32&curPage=3&sortField=description
and how about newpower99.com is it a reliable/legit seller?
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Wow, that's an impressive price and I definitely would have taken it from there. I can't really speak about any company's reliability in general but the newpower99 thing worked well in my case. The only thing I'd have to say about getting it directly from cameroninobattery.com is finding those tiny tools; it shouldn't be that difficult at all (definitely worth the $50 to find them!). Still loving the battery life. :good:

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E-shop with the battery available?
Just for the record, e-shops (below) don't seem to have the battery in stock these days, but there are many sold at e-bay if one searches SP3496A8H (the part number).
* http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Nexus-GT-P8110-Replacement-Installation/dp/B00F3T9SYC (out of stock)
* http://www.newpower99.com/Google_Nexus10_Battery_Replacement_Kit_p/google-nexus-10.htm (says available, but I ordered and got money back with they explanation they don't have those in stock)
* http://www.cameronsinobattery.com/1435-samsung-gt-p8110-gtp8110-ha32arb-google-nexus-1/ (out of stock)

I am extremely disappointed by my options to keep my nexus 10 going strong. I love the tablet... w/ its current screen resolution i really have NO reason to upgrade to a new device... however right now NO ONE carries this part. If google is NOT going to support having replaceable batteries, and there are no 3rd party options, we are all simply buying disposable electronics... its ridiculous.
Right now it is out of stock everywhere and there are 2 shady listings on ebay. Extremely disapointed with this.

mr_fro2000 said:
I am extremely disappointed by my options to keep my nexus 10 going strong. I love the tablet... w/ its current screen resolution i really have NO reason to upgrade to a new device... however right now NO ONE carries this part. If google is NOT going to support having replaceable batteries, and there are no 3rd party options, we are all simply buying disposable electronics... its ridiculous.
Right now it is out of stock everywhere and there are 2 shady listings on eBay. Extremely disappointed with this.
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I am going through this right now! I am not sure if I should buy from the sketchy eBay listings or what. I tried NewPower99 but claim to have none in stock due to a production issue. It is almost as if Samsung went after the 3rd party that made the battery so they could not sell it. My tablet is out of warranty and I have no idea what to do as its worth nothing to trade in and I don't have the $$$ for a new tablet. If anyone has any suggestions or bought a replacement battery and hasn't used or opened it and would be willing to part with it I may be interested in buying.

CombustLemonz said:
I am going through this right now! I am not sure if I should buy from the sketchy eBay listings or what. I tried NewPower99 but claim to have none in stock due to a production issue. It is almost as if Samsung went after the 3rd party that made the battery so they could not sell it. My tablet is out of warranty and I have no idea what to do as its worth nothing to trade in and I don't have the $$$ for a new tablet. If anyone has any suggestions or bought a replacement battery and hasn't used or opened it and would be willing to part with it I may be interested in buying.
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I am having the same problem. Nobody has the battery. So I finally found something on Alibabba and ordered it straight from china for something like $35 (through a friend's account, so I don't have the details at the moment). I expect it will take at least a month to get here. I hope it works and lasts, cheap batteries rarely work out very well in the long term.... but what choice do I have? This is a $500 tablet that is not that old! It now powers down at 70% battery, usually less than an hour playing a game

I went ahead and ordered the nexus 10 battery off of Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/261555419335?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I'll let you know my results with it.
EDIT: Will I also need to purchase special tools to install it?

michaelearth said:
EDIT: Will I also need to purchase special tools to install it?
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Just a (size 0?) phillips (you can pull off the cover to see the screw size). If it fits one, it'll fit all you need to get it pulled off. :good:

Somewhat offtopic, I might end up getting the new Nexus tablet, regardless. The center of my screen has started getting a brown burn-in color, most visible when the screen is white. Which is quite a shame, this tablet is still plenty peppy for me (it's my fastest development device), and have no other problems with the device at all (the battery still shines). The monitor life was probably accelerated by the high sleep time (10 or 30 minutes, don't remember which one) since it's a development machine I keep it on between compiles so it's there when I need it. :crying:

michaelearth said:
I went ahead and ordered the nexus 10 battery off of Ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/261555419335?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
I'll let you know my results with it.
EDIT: Will I also need to purchase special tools to install it?
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Have you received and installed the battery? I feel there are less and less options to find one these days.... Let us know thanks!

mr_fro2000 said:
Have you received and installed the battery? I feel there are less and less options to find one these days.... Let us know thanks!
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Haven't received it yet. Estimated delivery is October 30th.
When I do get it and after install it, I'll write a full report here for you guys.
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michaelearth said:
Haven't received it yet. Estimated delivery is October 30th.
When I do get it and after install it, I'll write a full report here for you guys.
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That would be awesome, thanks!

looking for nexus 10 battery replacement in india
hi,
i am also facing the same issue. request you to intimate if you can find one in india?

Anyone bought from here/?? I have just ordered it.. cross my fingers..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/BATTERY-ORIGINAL-SP3496A8H-SAMSUNG-GOOGLE/dp/B00IXODOL2

[Q] Fake battery?

Hey,
I purchased a battery on Ebay for like 8$.
Shipped from Germany and claims to be genuine.
My tests:
Weight- Old genuine battery 33 grams, New battery 35 grams.
The stickers probably weigh a little bit so the battery supposed to weigh even less than 33.
Voltage- Old is about 4.078V at 100% charge, New is about 4.123V at 100% charge.
I don't really see a huge improvment in battery life although my old one 3.5 year old one.. Yet it's not worse for sure..
The old one has to be genuine since I got it with my device from a big cell phone provider store.
I uploaded pictures of them both. My old one (with stickers on it on the first image) and the new one (with the "original" sticker).
Thank you.
PS: scanning the QR on the old one gives "GH43-03441A+EB575152VU".
Scanning the new ones QR gives its serial number instead.

German quality should be good.
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DerRomtester said:
German quality should be good.
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"Should be".. But how is it in my case?
The seller also sells these batteries from Spain too.. So I dont know how it's done and how "German" are they..
Anyhow they are made in Korea.. So it's doesn't really matters.
Do the states and looks seem ok?

i've already had 3 batteries, the stock battery, then a polarcell and now a Anker, and as far as i can see i need to recharge every evening, so i can't say the autonomy is improving!
However, since i run CM rom, i feel that the battery consumption is huge, whenever i browse the internet while on 3g!

qu4nt1n said:
i've already had 3 batteries, the stock battery, then a polarcell and now a Anker, and as far as i can see i need to recharge every evening, so i can't say the autonomy is improving!
However, since i run CM rom, i feel that the battery consumption is huge, whenever i browse the internet while on 3g!
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Hey,
Thanks for the comment and trying to help.
But TBH I didn't really get the point in your words and how it answers any of the questions.

Hey,
The one thing that's really throwing me off here is in the 3rd to last picture, which shows the top of the battery - 3 small grooves instead of 2.
To compare and see whether there is any variation I did a check with both my S3 batteries and they're identical at the top. I can't get hold of my mother's Galaxy S right now so I can't compare how her batteries look (one was bought recently and the other was from 2010).
However I'm thinking that a genuine battery would look identical at the top as well.
Hope that helps, but someone with a better knowledge of these batteries will be able to tell you more.
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Hi there,
I'm in New Zealand and my battery looks exactly like your original, made in china etc.
and has the 3 patches on the bottom edge.
your new battery looks close enough to me, it looks good, it fits the phone and it works.
the question I see is for $8 does it matter if its a fake?
(not really helpful in identifying a fake, just my opinion)

toby_lost said:
Hi there,
it fits the phone and it works.
the question I see is for $8 does it matter if its a fake?
(not really helpful in identifying a fake, just my opinion)
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well it's going to matter, if the battery ends up exploding while your phone is in your pocket.
@-MaoR-
Concerning my previous post, i was merely elaborating on what you said:
I don't really see a huge improvment in battery life although my old one 3.5 year old one.. Yet it's not worse for sure..
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i've had my share of batteries, and they are all the same as far as battery life in real conditions is concerned!
The interesting part in your pictures is in fact the manufacturing date! Since it reads that it was manufactured in 2014, maybe the differences come from a manufacturing process that has changed (improved?) over time. At the very least you could consider yourself lucky that they did not ship you a 2010 battery, because i don't think batteries do age well.

Soryuu said:
Hey,
The one thing that's really throwing me off here is in the 3rd to last picture, which shows the top of the battery - 3 small grooves instead of 2.
To compare and see whether there is any variation I did a check with both my S3 batteries and they're identical at the top. I can't get hold of my mother's Galaxy S right now so I can't compare how her batteries look (one was bought recently and the other was from 2010).
However I'm thinking that a genuine battery would look identical at the top as well.
Hope that helps, but someone with a better knowledge of these batteries will be able to tell you more.
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Hey mate,
Did you mean "the buttom" insted of "the top"?
Because if you are talking about the picture with the buttom of the batterires where you can see 2 patches on one and 3 on the other, then it's the buttom of the battery.
The one with 3 patches is the original one and the one with 2 is the new one.
Thanks for your comment.
toby_lost said:
Hi there,
I'm in New Zealand and my battery looks exactly like your original, made in china etc.
and has the 3 patches on the bottom edge.
your new battery looks close enough to me, it looks good, it fits the phone and it works.
the question I see is for $8 does it matter if its a fake?
(not really helpful in identifying a fake, just my opinion)
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Yes my original has 3 patches.
Well.. That's really hard to tell fakes today..
What year is your battery?
Thank you
qu4nt1n said:
well it's going to matter, if the battery ends up exploding while your phone is in your pocket.
@-MaoR-
Concerning my previous post, i was merely elaborating on what you said:
i've had my share of batteries, and they are all the same as far as battery life in real conditions is concerned!
The interesting part in your pictures is in fact the manufacturing date! Since it reads that it was manufactured in 2014, maybe the differences come from a manufacturing process that has changed (improved?) over time. At the very least you could consider yourself lucky that they did not ship you a 2010 battery, because i don't think batteries do age well.
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That's what I thought, that the proccess might have changed or something.. Maybe just different factories make different looking batteries (small changes)..
Who knows?
I dont believe it's going to explode or anything.. Unless it ain't as good of a fake inside of the battery..
Thanks again

Originally Posted by qu4nt1n
well it's going to matter, if the battery ends up exploding while your phone is in your pocket.
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you raise a good point, $8 or $800 pocket explosions are bad.
I had not even considered that happening :silly:
Originally Posted by -MaoR-
What year is your battery?
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mine is 03/2011
cheers.

Mine is from 06/2010:
By the way check out what happened to this unlucky brod, that tried to save a couple of bucks on her battery:
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In fact considering that most of us do sleep with our phones next to our head, maybe she could consider herself..... rather lucky after all
source: http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2359281/Exploding-Samsung-Galaxy-phone-leaves-teenager-degree-burns-smelling-like-burnt-pig.html

toby_lost said:
you raise a good point, $8 or $800 pocket explosions are bad.
I had not even considered that happening :silly:
mine is 03/2011
cheers.
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qu4nt1n said:
Mine is from 06/2010:
By the way check out what happened to this unlucky brod, that tried to save a couple of bucks on her battery:
p://[/IMG]
In fact considering that most of us do sleep with our phones next to our head, maybe she could consider herself..... rather lucky after all
source: http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2359281/Exploding-Samsung-Galaxy-phone-leaves-teenager-degree-burns-smelling-like-burnt-pig.html
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Why is your battery so worn out? lol
And about the poor brod, fakes come in all kinds of shapes and qualities.. Who knows what kind of battery she bought..
Plus I dont think batteriess just tend to explode for no reason.. Extra heat would be a good sign for a risk of explosion.. As long as the battery is cool as the original and works as the original, I don't see any reason why it would do any damage.
I just want to find out if the battery is real cuz it's interesting to me. I wont throw it away if it isn't. It works just fine and cool.
Thanks

-MaoR- said:
Why is your battery so worn out? lol
And about the poor brod, fakes come in all kinds of shapes and qualities.. Who knows what kind of battery she bought..
Plus I dont think batteriess just tend to explode for no reason.. Extra heat would be a good sign for a risk of explosion.. As long as the battery is cool as the original and works as the original, I don't see any reason why it would do any damage.
I just want to find out if the battery is real cuz it's interesting to me. I wont throw it away if it isn't. It works just fine and cool.
Thanks
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Why don't you simply ask the vendor to attach the guaranty of Samsung to the package. This is the only way you will know for sure if it is the real deal.
As far as i am concerned for things like that i always go for the real deal (i.e avoid Chinese products at all costs) even if it means paying an extra buck, because you know i don't have no spare legs!

qu4nt1n said:
Why don't you simply ask the vendor to attach the guaranty of Samsung to the package. This is the only way you will know for sure if it is the real deal.
As far as i am concerned for things like that i always go for the real deal (i.e avoid Chinese products at all costs) even if it means paying an extra buck, because you know i don't have no spare legs!
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I dont know.. I think that if Ebay sellers had any papers considering the battery they would add it.. I dont think they have any..
And all products are made in china.. Doesn't matter how much you pay for them.. You can't avoid it.
Again, batteries dont explode without a warning and genuine ones are not safe from exploding either..

Which Moto X version for greatest battery life?

Hi everyone!
I am new and although I just registered, I've been reading many topics and saw a lot videos regarding battery life of this device which is my 1st concern.
I still don't own this device, and before I go and purchase one, I wanted to read more opinions from users.
Regarding phone features, I need only basic stuff. I don't need voice recognition and for sure I will never use that, so I hope it can save some battery life there. Regarding active display, I also don't need that, but if that notifications would actually help battery life instead waking up the screen every 20-30 minutes, I will keep that.
Gestures, sensors, gps, location reporting, absolutely nothing there that I need, and if I need any of that anytime I guess I can always turn it on.
Anyway I am pretty much basic user. I do some web browsing, gaming, Viber, Whatsapp, I check my email few times per day, so no need for constantly refreshing and checking every few minutes. Also my wi-fi is not on most of the time, and very rarely I use 3g/4g internet, only when wi-fi is out of reach and I need to check my email or something. I am no advanced user by any means, and I like to remove most of preinstalled crap from the phone and I also don't install much, I like to keep it clean.
So with all this in mind, and with fact that I am from Europe and will be using this phone in Europe, which version of the phone and Android OS on it, do you recommend, in order to have the best and fastest UI experience with longest battery life possible? Which one should I buy, and should I upgrade it or maybe put CM on it or what?
Thanks a lot! :good:

Probably flash a basic AOSP and turn features off you don't use would give you best battery life, or keep stock 4,4.4 and turn everything off

@BrownDog99, thanks for answering.
I was also thinking that stock KK 4.4.4 would be best to keep for a while if I buy new device, because of warranty.
And then to turn off everything I don't need... On Lollipop I like those old school appeal of on screen navigation buttons, but I guess I could find some app for that.
But still I am not sure which version to buy. If only developer edition had black back, I would buy it right away.
Is there any other version that was made in US but can work in EU and has stock KK 4.4.4.? I'm not too happy to go for Chinese ones.

Looks for xt1053 from T-Mobile as you can easily unlock the bootloader or xt1052. Basically most of the models will work in Europe it only differs with the LTE support. Check the frequency of these models and see if they are supported by your carrier service in Europe.
Sent from my Moto X

ajdeneka said:
Is there any other version that was made in US but can work in EU and has stock KK 4.4.4.?
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Any model besides of 1055 (and, possibly, 1049) - these don't work with GSM.
If you need complete freedom with ROM tweaking - go for bootloader unlockable models. These are: 1050, 1053, 1056, 1058 America Movil / Rogers CA, and 1060 Developer Edition that you don't like because of its back cover ) Btw, cover can be easily replaced by qualified personel, or enthusiast.
Do have European LTE (4G) these: 1052 (better, more frequencies) and 1058.
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None of Moto X models is made in US. It was assembly only. Now Motorola Mobility is bought by Lenovo, so 2015 phones are both made in assembled in Asia, as iPhone.

Thanks both of you for explanations.
I was searching for any new Moto X 1st Gen. just to compare prices and I am quite disappointed.
They are quite expensive, more expensive than around end of last year.
It is also tricky to buy on ebay or amazon because I know for a fact that lot of sellers are selling Moto x as new but they were actually used.
That is always a problem with older phones, it is hard to find sealed package.
I must admit that Developers Edition is most interesting, but I really hate that white buttons and white back. I am not sure if it is worth the cost of tools for opening, replacing buttons, back cover, lens cover and even maybe flash if damaged..
I am not sure if I will be able to find this phone NEW, with price up to 250$ with shipping to EU, and also I need to pay more than 60$ tax on that price.. With that in mind I really can't afford all additional costs for replacing back cover and buttons..
There are few models in EU for sale that are new in all black, but too expensive and only 16GB. I am not sure what to do, maybe just to be patient and wait for some good deal to pop up but I am not so sure.. thanks anyway for help!
P.S. Any information regarding battery life between Developer Edition and other editions? (assuming that OS is not updated, but original that phone came with).
Thanks!

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Any information regarding battery life between Developer Edition and other editions? (assuming that OS is not updated, but original that phone came with).
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No difference. Mainboard is the same, with + - additional LTE chip.
About prices - PM sent.

Wow, you will be able to get the moto 2014 for $250 and the when the new styles come out probably $ 200

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Thanks both of you for explanations.
I was searching for any new Moto X 1st Gen. just to compare prices and I am quite disappointed.
They are quite expensive, more expensive than around end of last year.
It is also tricky to buy on ebay or amazon because I know for a fact that lot of sellers are selling Moto x as new but they were actually used.
That is always a problem with older phones, it is hard to find sealed package.
I must admit that Developers Edition is most interesting, but I really hate that white buttons and white back. I am not sure if it is worth the cost of tools for opening, replacing buttons, back cover, lens cover and even maybe flash if damaged..
I am not sure if I will be able to find this phone NEW, with price up to 250$ with shipping to EU, and also I need to pay more than 60$ tax on that price.. With that in mind I really can't afford all additional costs for replacing back cover and buttons..
There are few models in EU for sale that are new in all black, but too expensive and only 16GB. I am not sure what to do, maybe just to be patient and wait for some good deal to pop up but I am not so sure.. thanks anyway for help!
P.S. Any information regarding battery life between Developer Edition and other editions? (assuming that OS is not updated, but original that phone came with).
Thanks!
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I thought I would hate the dev edition back and buttons. I actually ended up really liking it once I got it.

I could also consider Developer edition because there are lots of nice back covers in black to choose from, but I can't find new phone, everything is used or fake advertised as new but just opened box and stuff like that..

Z3TC battery replacement?

I've searched the web for a replacement battery, but they are apparently hard to come by and not cheap. Is there a reason for this?
I got about three good years of daily use out of my battery. But it's been slowly downhill since. Streaming video, I get maybe 2 hours screen on time right now, and the percentage is screwy. That isn't horrible per se, but it's only going to get worse.
Has anybody here replaced their battery? And/or, any recommendations for a replacement? Galaxy Tab S2 seems nice. Media Pad M5 has better specs and I think has band 12, but is more expensive and is Huawei.

thref23 said:
I've searched the web for a replacement battery, but they are apparently hard to come by and not cheap. Is there a reason for this?
I got about three good years of daily use out of my battery. But it's been slowly downhill since. Streaming video, I get maybe 2 hours screen on time right now, and the percentage is screwy. That isn't horrible per se, but it's only going to get worse.
Has anybody here replaced their battery? And/or, any recommendations for a replacement? Galaxy Tab S2 seems nice. Media Pad M5 has better specs and I think has band 12, but is more expensive and is Huawei.
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Android tablets are almost dead. I'd get a 2018 iPad if I were you. The new iPad is great value for money at just $329
But if you really want android, chromebook tablets should be good or if you can find Sony z4 tablet, that's good too.

Z4 tablet isn't pocketable. iPad doesn't work as a cell phone (and is iOS).

Have you had any success?
I love my Z3 tablet compact. But the battery on it has gone into bulge/swell mode, so much so that it actually pushed the screen off the frame. This is now a safety issue so I need to have it replaced, but it's seemingly impossible to find a replacement, and Sony itself is not helping ("we no longer support this"). Does anyone have a source for a compatible replacement? I wouldn't mind if it didn't have the exact same specs, it's just gotta fit in and work
It's odd, I have both a Z2 tablet and a Z3 tablet compact, and both their batteries went into expansion/bulge phase a week from each other. I'm now actually keeping both of them in a metal box with bottled water all around them for fear of fire; I do NOT want to throw them away (working fine otherwise). But I desperately need replacement batteries, and Sony is of no help whatsoever.

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Have you had any success?
I love my Z3 tablet compact. But the battery on it has gone into bulge/swell mode, so much so that it actually pushed the screen off the frame. This is now a safety issue so I need to have it replaced, but it's seemingly impossible to find a replacement, and Sony itself is not helping ("we no longer support this"). Does anyone have a source for a compatible replacement? I wouldn't mind if it didn't have the exact same specs, it's just gotta fit in and work
It's odd, I have both a Z2 tablet and a Z3 tablet compact, and both their batteries went into expansion/bulge phase a week from each other. I'm now actually keeping both of them in a metal box with bottled water all around them for fear of fire; I do NOT want to throw them away (working fine otherwise). But I desperately need replacement batteries, and Sony is of no help whatsoever.
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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/273078604828
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/192541472554
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.de/ulk/itm/132105660507
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thanks for the links, "seller refurbished", hrm... (but then it's not like I have much of a choice...)

weilt said:
thanks for the links, "seller refurbished", hrm... (but then it's not like I have much of a choice...)
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The second link is a new battery.
New. A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item in original retail packaging (where packaging is applicable). If the item comes direct from a manufacturer, it may be delivered in non-retail packaging, such as a plain or unprinted box or plastic bag. See the seller's listing for full details.

ah, thanks again.
I have to say one thing about buying online like this, is whether something marked "new" really is though... but I suppose I don't really have any options

weilt said:
Have you had any success?
I love my Z3 tablet compact. But the battery on it has gone into bulge/swell mode, so much so that it actually pushed the screen off the frame. This is now a safety issue so I need to have it replaced, but it's seemingly impossible to find a replacement, and Sony itself is not helping ("we no longer support this"). Does anyone have a source for a compatible replacement? I wouldn't mind if it didn't have the exact same specs, it's just gotta fit in and work
It's odd, I have both a Z2 tablet and a Z3 tablet compact, and both their batteries went into expansion/bulge phase a week from each other. I'm now actually keeping both of them in a metal box with bottled water all around them for fear of fire; I do NOT want to throw them away (working fine otherwise). But I desperately need replacement batteries, and Sony is of no help whatsoever.
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I eventually bought a Mediapad M5 8.4. The bands are a little different (but fine for T-Mo or AT&T), it's not nearly as light, and I miss Intelligent Backlight Control of all things. But it's a viable replacement with better specs, the media/multitasking experience is better and the screen is better. Ran me $450.
Lenovo Tab 4 Plus 8 is another viable solution, it is about as compact as the Z3TC and the 64/4GB version can be bought for $350.
The cheapest battery I have found is this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bateria-Or...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
$56 is still kind of expensive for a replacement battery, although I'll probably spend it eventually if I don't find something cheaper. I've been meaning to stop by Batteries Plus to see if they have anything they could order. I also don't know how easy the actual battery replacement is.
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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/273078604828
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/192541472554
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.de/ulk/itm/132105660507
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Thanks for the links. They don't ship to the US, though...

update for anyone who is interested -
it turns out that Sony Hong Kong still lists the Z3 Tablet compact as a supported device and apparently can get parts for it (though not instantly - I was given a two-week lead time for the battery).
There is a HK$150 diagnosis fee, and the replacement battery is another HK$150, which sounded fair to me so I gave them the go ahead.
Incidentally this does NOT include waterproofing, and they quoted me, for a battery replacement AND waterproofing, over HK$2000 (currently above US$250). I decided I could live without waterproofing.

weilt said:
update for anyone who is interested -
it turns out that Sony Hong Kong still lists the Z3 Tablet compact as a supported device and apparently can get parts for it (though not instantly - I was given a two-week lead time for the battery).
There is a HK$150 diagnosis fee, and the replacement battery is another HK$150, which sounded fair to me so I gave them the go ahead.
Incidentally this does NOT include waterproofing, and they quoted me, for a battery replacement AND waterproofing, over HK$2000 (currently above US$250). I decided I could live without waterproofing.
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just hk 300 in total?! wow. i have just used toothpick to poke my battery. waterproofing is the sticky foam rim.
would they wipe your tablet? if yes, no thanks for me.

alancai said:
just hk 300 in total?! wow. i have just used toothpick to poke my battery. waterproofing is the sticky foam rim.
would they wipe your tablet? if yes, no thanks for me.
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I was pleasantly surprised by the battery price (I kind of wanted the waterproofing but HKD2000+ is too much). they said they might wipe (you can't backup?).
what do you mean toothpick to poke? You mean to release the "swelling" of the battery? I've heard that is a VERY BAD IDEA. it's apparently hydrogen + various toxic gases inside. Plus chance of catching fire?

weilt said:
update for anyone who is interested -
it turns out that Sony Hong Kong still lists the Z3 Tablet compact as a supported device and apparently can get parts for it (though not instantly - I was given a two-week lead time for the battery).
There is a HK$150 diagnosis fee, and the replacement battery is another HK$150, which sounded fair to me so I gave them the go ahead.
Incidentally this does NOT include waterproofing, and they quoted me, for a battery replacement AND waterproofing, over HK$2000 (currently above US$250). I decided I could live without waterproofing.
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I was pleasantly surprised by the battery price (I kind of wanted the waterproofing but HKD2000+ is too much). they said they might wipe (you can't backup?).
what do you mean toothpick to poke? You mean to release the "swelling" of the battery? I've heard that is a VERY BAD IDEA. it's apparently hydrogen + various toxic gases inside. Plus chance of catching fire?
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don't like the idea need to install everything and config again. pls let us know if it wipe. if not i may change battery if the battery finally dies.
mine is just swollen but can keep charge, very strange.
yep, releasing the gas.
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I was pleasantly surprised by the battery price (I kind of wanted the waterproofing but HKD2000+ is too much). they said they might wipe (you can't backup?).
what do you mean toothpick to poke? You mean to release the "swelling" of the battery? I've heard that is a VERY BAD IDEA. it's apparently hydrogen + various toxic gases inside. Plus chance of catching fire?
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how long do you need to let them keep your toy for repairs please?
or u can take it away while u r waiting for the battery.
if they are willing to sell me the battery and gasket tape. i would rather do it myself than their technicician.

swollen doesn't mean it won't hold charge.
What I understand is it means the materials inside have broken down, and gas is being generated, a mix of hydrogen (flammable) and other not-good-for-human-exposure substances. If what I read is correct, once it starts swelling, if you keep using it (more charge/discharge cycles) you are going to generate even more gas and making it more likely to eventually combust. I think you're asking for trouble to keep using it.
Sony HK took my device in, and are estimating 2-3 weeks turnaround time (they need to obtain the parts from somewhere). I do not expect them to sell you parts. They will also need to see proof of purchase before taking your device in (I think to check it's not a stolen device etc.).

I don't have receipt anymore. Such stupid policy.
2 to 3 weeks no access to your tablet?!
Would wait for your update

Ok, a further update - was ready for collection last week, have picked it up, everything seems to work. Total HKD299 spent to replace battery. My tablet was NOT wiped, i.e. everything was as I submitted it (I figure since it's a battery and not logic-board swap, the technician wasn't going to do unnecessary work anyway), but I think it's a requirement to sign an acknowledgement that everything could be wiped, I think you can't get around it if they do. I checked and they will NOT sell you parts, it must be a service submission + you must have proof of purchase (I bought mine online - the e mail acknowledgement was good enough for them).
alancai, there seems to be consensus on the people I've checked with + websites I've looked at that what you're doing w.r.t. poking holes to release the gas buildup is potentially dangerous. You *might* be selflessly volunteering to force Sony to implement a global battery swap/replacement program once yours catches fire/kills you/does something that puts the "Sony" brand in the news, but I'm not sure the Sony user community should demand this level of sacrifice from you... .

weilt said:
Ok, a further update - was ready for collection last week, have picked it up, everything seems to work. Total HKD299 spent to replace battery. My tablet was NOT wiped, i.e. everything was as I submitted it (I figure since it's a battery and not logic-board swap, the technician wasn't going to do unnecessary work anyway), but I think it's a requirement to sign an acknowledgement that everything could be wiped, I think you can't get around it if they do. I checked and they will NOT sell you parts, it must be a service submission + you must have proof of purchase (I bought mine online - the e mail acknowledgement was good enough for them).
alancai, there seems to be consensus on the people I've checked with + websites I've looked at that what you're doing w.r.t. poking holes to release the gas buildup is potentially dangerous. You *might* be selflessly volunteering to force Sony to implement a global battery swap/replacement program once yours catches fire/kills you/does something that puts the "Sony" brand in the news, but I'm not sure the Sony user community should demand this level of sacrifice from you... .
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battery already poked. so as my MacBook battery poked. both still keep charge. but 300 hkd is ok if from official outsource company. even taobao battery and the sticker rim would cost almost half of 300.
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i no longer have any proof of purchase. just the tablet now. but i guess they can check sn to see if it's their goods.

alancai said:
battery already poked. so as my MacBook battery poked. both still keep charge. but 300 hkd is ok if from official outsource company. even taobao battery and the sticker rim would cost almost half of 300.
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https://www.howtogeek.com/244846/what-to-do-when-your-phone-or-laptop-has-a-swollen-battery/

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https://www.howtogeek.com/244846/what-to-do-when-your-phone-or-laptop-has-a-swollen-battery/
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Thanks. Battery still ok after poking and gluing the hole.

Just changed battery by myself. "new" battery is older than original by a week. Hope it lasts.