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Ugh I just bought the Moto Bionic yesterday and I am already unhappy with it compared to my Samsung Charge. The overall speed of the phone is great( doing basic task not requiring the internet, but when I start searching from the Android Market or trying to search the internet, it takes forever to load anything. Second, the reception is awful, I would get full bars and 4gLTE all the time with the Samsung Charge at the house, but now using the Moto Bionic it gets maybe 1 bar and switches between 3g and 4g within the Houston area. I also have been having issues of just loading the android market, sometimes it literally wont load or Ill try and download an app and it will get stuck on downloading and not actually install the app. The having a locked bootloader does not help Moto's cause. I hate the bloatware that comes on phones and I should have the option if I want that crap or not. My Samsung Charge shows similar results in speed when Rooted and running PBJT/CWM7/ and Gummy Charged. I am returning the phone today also because the verizon sales rep lied to my mom and said she was not permitted to the trade in old phone for smart phone 100$ gift card. I am going back to the Charge today, Good luck on the bootloader! if y'all do decrypt it Ill be glad to jump back to this phone just for the processing power and to see what the Devs can do with so much power.

call verizon customer service,and explain to them whats going on and they will help you more then the store will.

Bleh... 1 day? Really? How can you really judge a phone completely after one day?
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I took your advice and called support. They said I just need to go to the store and put everything back to how it was, and it would cost me 35$ restocking fee, but maybe theyd be lenient to me because the sales person lied....

well my main issue was the sales rep said I was not eligible for the 100$ gift card bc he wanted the sale instead of me ordering it off their website, I guess I should have checked the website for my mom but she came home and said she wanted a new phone. So I am also returning it to get that 100$ gift card for my mom. and plus read what I wrote about it, Ive been playing with the phone all day. I also don't like the fact that it has a locked bootloader. Hopefully they will drop the encryption on the bootloader so the devs can have fun. The Samsung Charge is a badass phone too!

Bars are not a good indicator. Also the Bionic has 4 bars and not 5 like the Charge so you are not comparing Apples to Apples. I just cam from the Charge and noticed the same thing However speeds are the same and actually my uploads are consistently faster. I was on the fence big time. While I was at the store 4 people came in with Charges that were burning through SIM cards and Verizon doesn't know why. The Charge is a good phone I think you'll be happy either way.

Cnt5189 said:
well my main issue was the sales rep said I was not eligible for the 100$ gift card bc he wanted the sale instead of me ordering it off their website, I guess I should have checked the website for my mom but she came home and said she wanted a new phone. So I am also returning it to get that 100$ gift card for my mom.
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The $100 trade in is valid in store as well online. However to qualify you must be upgrading from a feature phone to a smart phone, not smart phone to smart phone. Fine print is your best friend! Also if you are using an upgrade from another line(alternate upgrade), you will most likely not qualify.
No one lied to you, but your Rep did fail to explain the program properly.
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cappiez said:
Bleh... 1 day? Really? How can you really judge a phone completely after one day?
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When the HP Touchpad launched, I picked one up on launch day, took it home charged it and returned it after 5 hours. Not a phone, but...
I didn't want to "setup my accounts" on the floor model...I had to take it home.

Ironically I not only feel the Bionic has better reception I can prove it. Both my wife, and a buddy at work have Charges and there's a night and day difference with the quality of radios.
Not saying the Charge is not a great phone, its just not as good when it comes to connectivity.
I feel there might be something wrong with your Bionic
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Tornlogic said:
Ironically I not only feel the Bionic has better reception I can prove it. Both my wife, and a buddy at work have Charges and there's a night and day difference with the quality of radios.
Not saying the Charge is not a great phone, its just not as good when it comes to connectivity.
I feel there might be something wrong with your Bionic
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I tend to agree with this post. The Bionic radio is leaps ahead of both the Samsung and HTC 4g LTE devices. I don't know anyone with an LG Revolution so I can't comment on that one.

I actually find HTC (Thunderbolt) to have the better radio as opposed to the Droid Bionic. LG Revolution was the best to me hands down. Best reception everywhere. Consistent LTE everywhere I went.

Cnt5189 said:
Ugh I just bought the Moto Bionic yesterday and I am already unhappy with it compared to my Samsung Charge. The overall speed of the phone is great( doing basic task not requiring the internet, but when I start searching from the Android Market or trying to search the internet, it takes forever to load anything. Second, the reception is awful, I would get full bars and 4gLTE all the time with the Samsung Charge at the house, but now using the Moto Bionic it gets maybe 1 bar and switches between 3g and 4g within the Houston area. I also have been having issues of just loading the android market, sometimes it literally wont load or Ill try and download an app and it will get stuck on downloading and not actually install the app. The having a locked bootloader does not help Moto's cause. I hate the bloatware that comes on phones and I should have the option if I want that crap or not. My Samsung Charge shows similar results in speed when Rooted and running PBJT/CWM7/ and Gummy Charged. I am returning the phone today also because the verizon sales rep lied to my mom and said she was not permitted to the trade in old phone for smart phone 100$ gift card. I am going back to the Charge today, Good luck on the bootloader! if y'all do decrypt it Ill be glad to jump back to this phone just for the processing power and to see what the Devs can do with so much power.
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Bars are not any kind of indicator of signal strength. Use the DB to see that and in my studies it is actually the best of the LTE crop thus far. (No shock since Motorola always does this) Bootloader I understand and the rest of the issues aren't known Bionic issues from what I have read and it sounds like problems with your google account or something.
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brickinphoneslol said:
I actually find HTC (Thunderbolt) to have the better radio as opposed to the Droid Bionic. LG Revolution was the best to me hands down. Best reception everywhere. Consistent LTE everywhere I went.
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Don't use the bars as judgement they are wrong use actual signal strength. After seeing all the LTE phones in action Bionic has the lowest DB by leaps and bounds..

DO a factory data reset before you judge the handset. There is some bad juju in your phone and this will purge it.
RMD

I haven't been all that happy with the Bionic to date either, but it's not due to reception. I have issues with the screen (my first Pentile experience, and it sucks), battery (had to get the extended battery, now my phone's a fat a**), camera quality and shutter speed is awful and lastly no CM7 support.
I went from Sprint/EVO to the Bionic, and while I was frustrated with the Sprint service and coverage, I was happy with the EVO. I had it setup perfectly, it ran great and I miss the camera.
The Bionic on LTE is 3 to 5 times faster than the top speeds I was able to accomplish on Sprint's network, but I'm missing the better camera and form factor of the EVO.

brickinphoneslol said:
I actually find HTC (Thunderbolt) to have the better radio as opposed to the Droid Bionic. LG Revolution was the best to me hands down. Best reception everywhere. Consistent LTE everywhere I went.
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Hopefully you are judging via Settings -> About phone -> Network -> Signal Strength, rather than via BARS and coverage indicator on the home screen.
Of all the feature phones and smart phones I have, Moto has been consistently been the best at pulling signal (comparing RSSI values, not "bars"), Samsung the worst, and LG somewhere lower than middle (there have been one or two exceptions to this).
If the Thunderbolt (which I have) gives better reception than the Bionic (should be here today or tomorrow), I will be shocked. Especially because my TB isn't as good pulling 3G/EVDO signals as even my HTC Incredible. And my Droid X and original Droid pulls better signal than the Incredible.
NOTE: RSSI values are measured in -dBm so the more negative, the worse the signal. And it is logarithmic, not linear, so the difference between -93 dBm and -94 dBm is greater than the difference between -70 dBm and -71 dBm.

devikta said:
I haven't been all that happy with the Bionic to date either, but it's not due to reception. I have issues with the screen (my first Pentile experience, and it sucks), battery (had to get the extended battery, now my phone's a fat a**), camera quality and shutter speed is awful and lastly no CM7 support.
I went from Sprint/EVO to the Bionic, and while I was frustrated with the Sprint service and coverage, I was happy with the EVO. I had it setup perfectly, it ran great and I miss the camera.
The Bionic on LTE is 3 to 5 times faster than the top speeds I was able to accomplish on Sprint's network, but I'm missing the better camera and form factor of the EVO.
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The stock camera app blows, common knowledge.
Camera itself is fine.
The battery lasts a good 15-18 hours light use. And should do 10-12 heavy use.
While the screen isn't the best color wise, it sure has good power draw.

scheatyj said:
The stock camera app blows, common knowledge.
Camera itself is fine.
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Sorry for the noob question, but what's a better alternative camera app for the Bionic?

Agreed, i got my bionic the day it came out and i too was a little apprehensive at the laggyness for certain apps but now having it for a few weeks i have used the force and tweaked this beast into something extraordinary and am very happy indeed.
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Im rocking -76dBm 0 asu. I guess it is a whole lot better than judging bars, I see what you mean. Im kind of a phone noob but coming to great understanding with the device, Im keeping the Bionic hoping for the unlocked bootloader! cross your fingers!

brickinphoneslol said:
I actually find HTC (Thunderbolt) to have the better radio as opposed to the Droid Bionic. LG Revolution was the best to me hands down. Best reception everywhere. Consistent LTE everywhere I went.
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I have both the Thunderbolt and Bionic. Side by side the Bionic gets better connection and download speeds. I have tested them again and again with same results....
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[Q] Is my phone really defective

im gonna take my thrill back today and get a new one! I am having trouble with the battery as many people are but I dont know if it is worse than others. I unhooked it a few minutes ago and it went from 99 percent down to 90 in about 3-4 minutes and down to 80 in another 10 minutes and im not even sure what is running in the background because I thought I had an app killer installed. anyway the other problem is that I cannot get an internet connection at all unless I am on wifi. I have unlimited data and should be able to use programs like facebook even at the university but I cannot. Does anyone think I am doing the right thing by returning the phone? sorry about the long rant

Sounds like you have a bad battery. When I first got my Nexus S I had the same problem replaced that battery through att and it has been fine ever since. Also I have noticed that some task killers cant remember witch ones in specific hurt battery life. I would take it back for a new one may as well replace the whole device if you can.

lordshane said:
im gonna take my thrill back today and get a new one! I am having trouble with the battery as many people are but I dont know if it is worse than others. I unhooked it a few minutes ago and it went from 99 percent down to 90 in about 3-4 minutes and down to 80 in another 10 minutes and im not even sure what is running in the background because I thought I had an app killer installed. anyway the other problem is that I cannot get an internet connection at all unless I am on wifi. I have unlimited data and should be able to use programs like facebook even at the university but I cannot. Does anyone think I am doing the right thing by returning the phone? sorry about the long rant
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The data thing definitely sounds like a bug. The battery on the other hand is normal on some new Thrills. After a week or so it should settle in and battery life gets better over time.
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Yeah, if you first got the phone it takes a few cycles before battery starts to improve. But it seems pretty bad, i would return it since you have the oppurtunity.
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Thank you for the replies, I have had this phone for about 3 weeks and I keep it plugged in at night through usb but I also have to connect it for a few hours in the daytime as well. I havent had a chance to return it but I may do so today although the wifi issue seems to be working now. maybe the At&t Network was down?

lordshane said:
Thank you for the replies, I have had this phone for about 3 weeks and I keep it plugged in at night through usb but I also have to connect it for a few hours in the daytime as well. I havent had a chance to return it but I may do so today although the wifi issue seems to be working now. maybe the At&t Network was down?
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A note on the battery issue? What's the signal strength like where you live? The data signal in my house is so bad that if I forget to turn wifi on after getting home from work my battery will drain close to 40% over night. My wife's Captivate does the same thing. If the signal is weak the phone will constantly poll for a stronger signal.
All that aside I would definitely still take advantage and seek a replacement while its free. If you still have issues atleadt you'll know its something correctable and not the phone.
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[Q] Nexus One, battery is drained by 1% every 1-2 mins with screen on.

Minimum brightness, wifi off, gps off, 3g off, a minimum amount of apps running, and I'm draining 1% a minute while the screen is on.
When I look at what's draining the battery, no significant app shows up.
I've calibrated the battery.
It's been like that for at least 4-5 ROMs I've recently flashed (keep in mind, the phone is 1 month old).
Seeing these crappy performances, I bought a 1800 mah extended battery - still having the same issue.
I'm almost wondering if this issue could be caused by the fact that this phone was bought off ebay? If it's fake or refurbished, could it be causing these kind of problems? It was listed as new

What about airplane mode? If that sorts your issue then perhaps its down to a local cell tower / radio issue.
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Nope, Airplane mode isn't helping at all; in 11 minutes I dropped 9% with screen and wifi on.
What else could I do? Keep in mind, this issue has been there ever since I got my phone; apps do not seem to be a problem.

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Minimum brightness, wifi off, gps off, 3g off, a minimum amount of apps running, and I'm draining 1% a minute while the screen is on.
When I look at what's draining the battery, no significant app shows up.
I've calibrated the battery.
It's been like that for at least 4-5 ROMs I've recently flashed (keep in mind, the phone is 1 month old).
Seeing these crappy performances, I bought a 1800 mah extended battery - still having the same issue.
I'm almost wondering if this issue could be caused by the fact that this phone was bought off ebay? If it's fake or refurbished, could it be causing these kind of problems? It was listed as new
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did you try going back to FULL Stock ???
Such current draw is not normal and if nothing show up in the app list as draining the battery it mean it's overclocked or something is simply SHORT
as for battery calibration, I have never ever calibrated my 2 year old nexus, so not sure why you feel the need to do that...
You mention it was sold as new, but was it new ? usually a new box is sealed somehow... I do not remember how mine was tho...

Hope it helps
It could be your reception man. Normally droids overwork themselves whenever there's not enough coverage on your area. Meaning more battery waste. Or if you're running a stock or sucky Kernel that could be the problem too. Try switching out the kernel for a better one. I had the same issue with my Evo 3d, i had a sucky experimental kernel and my battery was dying fast, as soon as I flashed a new and kickass kernel from tiamat, baby has been giving me good charge for the whole day. Hope that helps man.

HTC Batteries

* Which rom are you running?
* What governor is used ?
* What does the battery information in settings say ? What application is indicated to use more the battery ?
cheers

I'm using the most recent BCM ics rom. The governor is usually set to smartass v2, min freq 245 max 900 something. As I said, this issue was going on with different roms, either AOKP, BCM, MIUI or stock gingerbread. What is using the battery the most? The screen by a large margin (even if it's set to minimum brightness), phone standby and phone idle.
Could you guys suggest a rom that is good for energy management (ex: set minimum freq to 128) and that has a good kernel?

In that case, I fear you may have an hardware problem.
With the last BCM, my N1 still has ~30% battery after a complete day, and reasonnable use (some chat, FB, 1 or 2 phone calls). The battery is the stock 2 years old one.
I use standard BCM kernel with ondemand governor.
You can try to wipe battery info (in the recovery), drain the battery to 10% and replenish it to see if this changes anything.
But I am wondering, is the phone "hot" when the battery is drained this way?

Yep sounds like a defective hardware issue. If still under warranty return to stock ROM and log a call with HTC. Its probably your best option at this stage.
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the phone was bought off ebay, do you still think calling HTC is an option?

I think you should contact them and see what they have to say.
Was it sold as defective on eBay? Did you buy with PayPal.... perhaps also contact the seller and explain the situation. See what they say to a request for a refund. Mention that you'll be sending it off to HTC for analysis otherwise. It just might prompt them to offer a refund if they knew of the defect when selling it.
Best of luck!
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No, it was sold as new, but I'm off the 14 days return policy that this seller has... so the only way is to threaten them?

Perhaps it might be wiser to contact them and explain the problem and see what they advise.
How old is the phone? Perhaps there's warranty left on it?
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Email htc the serial. They can see the warranty info for you.

Hopefully he sent the proof of purchase with it, because warranty is given only to the original purchaser.

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Hopefully he sent the proof of purchase with it, because warranty is given only to the original purchaser.
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Warranty is phone related. Not owner related.
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I bet you didn't read the Warranty Statement that came with your Nexus One
HTC Warranty Statement said:
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1. This Limited Warranty is given only to the original purchaser of the Product (“Customer”).
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2. This Limited Warranty shall last for twelve (12) months from the date of original purchase unless a longer Warranty Period is required by applicable law in the end customer’s location. (“Warranty Period”) Customer shall present the PROOF OF PURCHASE upon claiming this Limited Warranty.
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Yeah warranty is 24 months in Europe. Just as well too
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While charging the phone Go to About Phone -> Battery -> Battery Status. see where it says Charging (AC) or Charging (USB). It will tell u the originality of the charger. (AC) means original.
Did your phone come from HongKong?
Was the seller "bestpricephones10" or "cellphoneforever"?
They are probably sending repaired phones.
They will give refund. Raise a dispute in eBay.
U can raise an dispute within 40 days from the day of purchase and after 10 days u can ask for refund from eBay.

[Q] Interested in buying but a few questions

I am interested in buying this wonderful phone and would like to ask what disadvantages would I have if I buy a phone which has been unlocked (i.e was originally locked to a UK carrier) vis-a-vis a sim-free unlocked phone from a store?
I don't like to flash roms a lot and normally only flash stock roms if official roms take too much to be available, so I was wondering if for me it would make a difference the above? Also would I have bloat ware from carriers and if yes, can I remove?
Thank you for your time.

Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it. First of all bear in mind the battery lasts a half day and it takes another half to get it charged. You get lucky at all if it allows you to continue using it (like making and receiving calls, receiving mails but you probably wan't be able to surf the web and most definitely you will not get online videos as it drains battery out even when the charger is plugged in). Of course you can switch off all the functions and keep the screen black/off but then why would you pay 600-700USD for a phone that with it's functionality doesn't differ from 50-100USD cheap phone. Also for such a power cost don't expect great network reception - it's just avarge. The good, old E51 is much better here. Wifi reception makes it totally useless - you have to seat next to the router to be able o use it. I have couple of devices at home, including some cheap ****ty chinease tablet and "Z" is the only one that can hardly connect and even if it does it droppes the connection. I bought 2 of them and fortunatelly didn't open the second box so i could send it back to shop. The other one i'm sending to sony as not working as advertised - very very far from their promises.
Just to mention: i use original charger, stamina on, greenify installed with just 2 apps not hibernated, network set to LTE (i tried to switch to 3G but didn't really get any better battery life).
Just think it twice mate. As always it's up to you.

alojzyptak said:
Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it.
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You should consider the idea that you have a faulty unit. I'm getting 4-5 hours screen on time on a charge, which is much better than what you are stating and I'm using nothing other than stamina mode in the way of battery saving apps. I will also say that I get less than 1% drain per hour in standby. The battery is far from bad IMHO.
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alojzyptak said:
Before you commite to buy it i feel obligated (as a very dissapointed owner) to warn you against it. First of all bear in mind the battery lasts a half day and it takes another half to get it charged.
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Really and how many people have you seen reporting this same issue? Please just link me 1 (JUST 1 ) topic of someone reporting the same.
alojzyptak said:
You get lucky at all if it allows you to continue using it (like making and receiving calls, receiving mails but you probably wan't be able to surf the web and most definitely you will not get online videos as it drains battery out even when the charger is plugged in). Of course you can switch off all the functions and keep the screen black/off but then why would you pay 600-700USD for a phone that with it's functionality doesn't differ from 50-100USD cheap phone. Also for such a power cost don't expect great network reception - it's just avarge. The good, old E51 is much better here. Wifi reception makes it totally useless - you have to seat next to the router to be able o use it. I have couple of devices at home, including some cheap ****ty chinease tablet and "Z" is the only one that can hardly connect and even if it does it droppes the connection. I bought 2 of them and fortunatelly didn't open the second box so i could send it back to shop. The other one i'm sending to sony as not working as advertised - very very far from their promises.
Just to mention: i use original charger, stamina on, greenify installed with just 2 apps not hibernated, network set to LTE (i tried to switch to 3G but didn't really get any better battery life).
Just think it twice mate. As always it's up to you.
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The same applies as above, I guess you weren't smart enough to get the idea that your unit might have been faulty? No instead you just say that the phone is bad.
Maybe you should have opened the second box, then I'm quite sure you would've gotten different results.
Why didn't you decide to open the box anyways? Since it doesn't really matter whether you opened the box or not, if it's within your warranty time (In most countries) you would just get your money back.
So instead of blaming the phone, you should blame yourself for not being thorough enough.

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Really and how many people have you seen reporting this same issue? Please just link me 1 (JUST 1 ) topic of someone reporting the same.
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I've dug the internet looking for battery threads and i'm not alone. Just read few battery threads and you will see it's a common problem. Some people say it concerns only root users but you probably agree with me it's out of question. 1hr countinuous standby i get only at night. It's my primary phone (for now) and i use it - 2-3 sometimes 4 hours of phone calls a day and it's like 100 of them and when the battery drains out i still have to do it some how... I haven't mentioned before I use bluetooth headset most of time. The charging time under this circumstances is unacceptable. Like i stated previously the charging is faster at night but if you buy phone to use it not to play with it then you face the serious problem. I've read the stories of people exchanging their headsets for 4 times... When they advertise it as precision fruit of sony's job i expect it to be the best what can they offer. Well after digging and reading hundreds of post with problems like mine i don't feel like going through the multiple exchange process, setting each time the phone up, wasting my time...
Like i wrote before it's up to everybody. For sure if you spend the whole day in the city when the network covarge is nice, do not talk to much and the phone is not a tool of your work you get better, much better or even satysfying results but the other way round be warned.

can any one reply to my questions? :laugh:

krisbi said:
I am interested in buying this wonderful phone and would like to ask what disadvantages would I have if I buy a phone which has been unlocked (i.e was originally locked to a UK carrier) vis-a-vis a sim-free unlocked phone from a store?
I don't like to flash roms a lot and normally only flash stock roms if official roms take too much to be available, so I was wondering if for me it would make a difference the above? Also would I have bloat ware from carriers and if yes, can I remove?
Thank you for your time.
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As far as I have seen, the custom roms aren't that different from stock roms, in my opinion you can just use stock roms they really aren't bad.
I don't need to answer the question about bloatware... it's Android, you can do what ever you want. Just need root.
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can any one reply to my questions? :laugh:
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There you go.

As for UK carrier locked phones, mine is a subsidised handset from T-Mobile UK. It runs on the generic firmware (so no bloatware or branding is present) and the bootloader is unlockable.
I can't comment on other networks handsets as I'm the only person I know with a XZ
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Thank you for your answers.

Moto X for $220

I can get an unlocked Moto X from someone on craigslist. They bought it from amazon in May and are willing to provide the receipt.
I currently have a LG G2 but the battery has become defective. It happened the first time I got the phone but I chalked it up to a fluke. Then it started happening more and more as time went on, but it was infrequent. But now it's happening daily and at the point where it will lose charge nonstop during the day and if I don't touch it I'll be lucky that it will make it by the time I get home at night. There is NO wakelock, my phone sleeps very well. GSAM and Wakelock detector and BBS cannot find any reason why this is happening. I've tried numerous factory resets and have very few apps on the phone, disabling a lot of the carrier bloatware. This is definitely a hardware issue.
So I know that the Moto X+1 is going to unveiled on Sep 4 but who knows when it'll actually go on sale, or worth the new phone sticker price at this point.
So what do you guys think? Should I go ahead and get this Moto X if it's in good condition? I'm really torn at this point because my phone has become so unreliable. Sometimes I'll go to bed with it at 100% and it will drain during the night to 0 and I've missed my alarms in the morning to wake up even.

Why don't you replace the battery ? Moto X+1 should be good
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ravi4chahal said:
Why don't you replace the battery ? Moto X+1 should be good
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I don't want to open the back and risk messing it up because I want to trade it in to AT&T to get another phone and right now the phone is in pristine condition.

ksc6000 said:
I don't want to open the back and risk messing it up because I want to trade it in to AT&T to get another phone and right now the phone is in pristine condition.
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You're sure they will do that?
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And have you checked out BBS or Gsam to see if you don't simply have an issue draining you? Any troubleshooting?

KJ said:
You're sure they will do that?
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These are AT&T's requirements:
1. Does the device power on and off?
Yes No
2. Is the screen intact, free of any chips or cracks, and functioning correctly? Loading
Yes No
3. Is the body of the device free of breaks or cracks in the housing, keypad, hinge, or battery cover?
Yes No
4. Is battery included?
Yes No
5. Has the Activation Lock been disabled? (e.g., Find My iPhone, kill switch)
So my phone meets all of these I think.

If you can get Moto X in exchange without spending anything then go for it. Except camera I like everything about the phone.
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ksc6000 said:
These are AT&T's requirements:
1. Does the device power on and off?
Yes No
2. Is the screen intact, free of any chips or cracks, and functioning correctly? Loading
Yes No
3. Is the body of the device free of breaks or cracks in the housing, keypad, hinge, or battery cover?
Yes No
4. Is battery included?
Yes No
5. Has the Activation Lock been disabled? (e.g., Find My iPhone, kill switch)
So my phone meets all of these I think.
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Yes, but how long you had it? Exchange or return is usually a limited time. After you have to deal with the manufacturer. And obviously they will only fix or exchange. Not refund or give a different phone maker.
I'd look into it anyway.

I guess the Sprint (CDMA) versions have the lowest sale/resale value. Got a mint condition X1056 off CList for $120 sometime ago. Battery life and having only 16GB built in are my only dings against the Moto X. Nice little fella.

LordLugard said:
I guess the Sprint (CDMA) versions have the lowest sale/resale value. Got a mint condition X1056 off CList for $120 sometime ago. Battery life and having only 16GB built in are my only dings against the Moto X. Nice little fella.
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Go to the battery thread in general and troubleshoot your battery issues. The X can have good to great battery life.... Depending on your usage, setup and signal. And if you have issues or not.
No one should be saying battery life is poor. That only means they haven't taken the time to figure out why theirs is poor. ?

KJ said:
Go to the battery thread in general and troubleshoot your battery issues. The X can have good to great battery life.... Depending on your usage, setup and signal. And if you have issues or not.
No one should be saying battery life is poor. That only means they haven't taken the time to figure out why theirs is poor. ?
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Already done/tried everything and came to the conclusion that battery is poor compared to other comparable devices i've owned. Sorry, but it is what what it is. The Moto X doesn't have good battery life in my opinion. Everything else is fine, even the camera that others complain about, i have no issues with.

I have screen shots in the Battery thread... Many.... From 6 to near 8 hours screen time... Over a 24 hour total drain. Many others do too.
Perhaps it's your usage or setup.... But it's poor for you either way. But "the moto x" in general, has outstanding battery life for the size of the battery. Which is smaller than many other devices. ?
But, you say you've done all you can.... Then I'm sorry to hear it's bad for you. I'm betting I can tell you exactly why it's bad for you if you provide info and screenshots from gsam. But not here, in the Battery thread. Your choice. ?
Sorry for the off topic.
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It's an N5 thread... But it all applies to the X as well.... The first 4 posts in the Battery thread in my signature has a lot of great tips.
K.. No more off topic from me.

Sorry Mr. Extreme number 1 fan of the Moto X (it seems), but you're not going to convince me otherwise of my own experience. The Moto X gets bad battery life in what i have experienced. It's not the end of the world and i don't see why you're getting such a hard up on this issue. I am but one person (amongst others i know also feel the same way) who has a differing experience, let it go. It's almost as if no one can have a different opinion/experience in your world.
"...I'm betting I can tell you exactly why it's bad for you if you provide info and screenshots from gsam. But not here, in the Battery thread. Your choice..."
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I can troubleshoot issues myself just fine and have done so for all the years i've been on Android. Just let it go and move on.

LordLugard said:
Sorry Mr. Extreme number 1 fan of the Moto X (it seems), but you're not going to convince me otherwise of my own experience. The Moto X gets bad battery life in what i have experienced. It's not the end of the world and i don't see why you're getting such a hard up on this issue. I am but one person (amongst others i know also feel the same way) who has a differing experience, let it go. It's almost as if no one can have a different opinion/experience in your world.
"...I'm betting I can tell you exactly why it's bad for you if you provide info and screenshots from gsam. But not here, in the Battery thread. Your choice..."
Thanks for the offer, but no thanks. I can troubleshoot issues myself just fine and have done so for all the years i've been on Android. Just let it go and move on.
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K.... I tried to offer help. I'm over it though. Enjoy! ?

ksc6000 said:
I can get an unlocked Moto X from someone on craigslist. They bought it from amazon in May and are willing to provide the receipt. ...
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What model X? is it the XT1053, XT1058 (att), XT1058(other carrier), XT1060(verizon), etc?
Is it SIM Unlocked or bootloader unlocked? If bootloader, Ask for proof of bootloader unlock.. (screen shot of fasbootAP screen showing Unlocked Status 3).
Remember, you will have no warranty on the phone, either way. At least per Moto's documents, it says warranty is non-transferable.
Are you sure the IMEI is clean/clear? Have you checked/verified with the carrier?
If its clean/clear and bootloader unlocked, that is not a bad price. But the cost of an X might dip when the X+1 gets announced.. If that happens, its almost worth waiting and getting one that is brand new with a warranty. Unless you are planning to get a non-dev and unlock the bootloader and root (which voids the warranty anyway)