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[Q] Some Questions About Different Moto X Models

Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!

Spirotot said:
Hey all,
I'm looking at purchasing a Moto X (possibly two, if my wife replaces her iPhone...). I'm currently not tied to any particular carrier, but I'd like to keep my options as open as possible. I'm going to buy the phone/s at full price, and then bring them to whatever carrier/service/MVNO I end up with.
From what I understand so far, there are two basic models of the Moto X -- one for Verizon (CDMA), and one for GSM-based networks.
Here's my basic question: What's the difference between these phones??
The Verizon website lists the Moto X as a 'global' phone, which implies that it has a GSM radio in it, right?
If so, does that imply that the 'Tmobile' (or otherwise GSM-based) Moto X has a CDMA radio?
Then, as if I'm not confused enough, I find the 'Developer' edition of the Moto X... in two versions -- one for Verizon, and the other for 'GSM'. The developer edition provides an unlockable bootloader... cool, I'm a fan of that! But!! Isn't the Moto X part of the Motorola Bootloader Unlock program? It is (hxxps://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/87215)... so what's the difference between the 'Developer' edition, and the regular edition?
I'm sorry if these are silly questions -- but I've spent at least an hour Googling today, and didn't find any answers that I found conclusive. Thanks for any help you can give!!
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Unless you absolutely have to have VZW for the service - do not buy the VZW model. I am on VZW and have the Dev Edition from them. VZW is always the last to get updates.
So there is just a lot going on with this phone...
There are two different Developer Editions. GSM (for AT&T and T-mobile?). I know it is for ATT and believe it is also for T-mobile. But the T-mobile Consumer Edition also has an unlockable bootloader without buying the developer edition?
Even though the MotoX is listed on Motorola's Bootloader unlock program - it is only certain models. Sprint, T-mobile, US Cellular. Verizon's is only the Developer Edition. ATT would only be the GSM Developer Edition.
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
Also as far as CDMA Vs. GSM; Verizon and Sprint use CDMA technology and ATT and Tmobile and most others use GSM technology.
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.

The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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thepolishguy said:
My recommendation is T-mobile if you get good service from them. They are going to get updates first.
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That would be my choice, as well. However, I'm not 100% sure I want to commit to T-Mobile, yet... their coverage seems to be the most lacking of non-Verizon carriers. I was actually thinking of activating the phone on Ting (a Spring MVNO) to begin with.
thepolishguy said:
I know that sounded like a big mess - sorry. I am tired and its all I got for now.
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No worries, I appreciate it, man.
housry23 said:
The CDMA version has gsm capabilities, but the gsm version will not work on CDMA.
If I were in your position, I'd get the gsm developer edition or the T-Mobile version. Either of those should be compatible with most carriers unless you absolutely need a Verizon phone. If so get the VZW developer edition.
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So what you're saying is that the VZW Dev edition would theoretically work on other CDMA carriers (i.e. Sprint/Sprint-based networks), and also GSM-based networks (i.e. T-Mobile), right? But that the T-Mobile version with only work on GSM carriers (i.e. not Verizon, and not Sprint)?
As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.

Spirotot said:
...As much as I'd love to just commit to T-Mobile's GSM network... their coverage maps have me hesitant, heh.
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With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.

I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.

scottjb said:
With T-Mobile you don't commit, other than the cost of the phone which can be resold. They don't do contracts so you can easily switch to another carrier if needed. I've been on Verizon since their inception and I now have à T-Mobile "test" line which is working pretty well. As mentioned above, it's probably best to get the GSM dev edition since it can be used on AT&T too.
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Gotcha. Ideally, though, I'd like a phone that would work on CDMA AND/OR GSM networks... would the VZW and/or VZW Dev Edition be capable of that? That is, could I activate on a Sprint-based CDMA network like Ting, and then switch to a GSM-based network like T-Mobile later, if I wanted?
phositadc said:
I'm nearly certain the T-Mobile version works 100% on AT&T HSPA & LTE.
I ordered one last night, so I will clear that up when it arrives next week, but I'm pretty certain I've already seen others reporting that T-Mobile works fully on AT&T and is unlocked out of the box.
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Awesome! Looking foward to what you find out.

I think you need a Sprint version to be able to use Ting. Last I heard, they don't flash Verizon phones to their network. I'm not sure if the Sprint version can be unlocked to be used on T-Mobile if you change your mind later. I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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freak4dell said:
I'd highly advise just picking your carrier first before picking your phone.
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Was starting to think that myself, heh. Just kind of a bummer, because I know I want the phone -- but I don't know which carrier will end up fitting me best.

HTC One Dev Edition radios?

Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?

raphytaffy said:
Hi all, is there any difference between the radios on the Dev edition vs. the normal one? For instance, if I have the Dev edition, what's stopping me from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM? Shouldn't they all be compatible with my device? Does flashing any of those affect my radios?
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The Developer Edition radio is set up for GSM service by default. I know there's a setting to change it to CDMA, but I have yet to see somebody post on trying it with their Sprint or Verizon HTC One. If you're on AT&T or T-Mobile, it works. If on Sprint or Verizon (or other CDMA provider), maybe. I would be curious since my friend has a One with Verizon. It pains me to see all that bloatware on his phone that can't be removed or disabled.
Short answer to your question. Nothing is stopping you from flashing an AT&T, T-Mobile, or Sprint ROM. But I fail to see why somebody would want to do that if they have the Dev Edition. Unless they really like bloatware and carrier restrictions.

[Q] Non XT1053 Models on T-Mobile?

Hello all,
Was thinking about trying out the Moto X. I had lurked somewhere in the general forums and thought I saw something that said that if we flashed the System ROM/Dump from something like the XT1053 to the XT1060, XT1058, etc, the phone would essentially become the XT1053 -- provided the Bootloader is unlocked, etc.
Do they all have the same radio, more-or-less, and are capable of just flashing to get it to work? I saw something about possibly getting T-Mobile to work on an "unlocked" XT1060, but issues with APN's, etc -- my goal is to not have to worry about that whatsoever -- and just use it with stock/without weird configuration (had to do this on a Sprint phone that was ported to cricket years ago -- was somewhat of a pain).
So yeah -- per the original question -- is the only difference on the phones the radio LOCKs based on Firmware -- and if I flash a XT1053 image on XT1060 phone, will that behave exactly the same as a XT1053 thereafter? (and kudos if anyone has any links so I can refer to that process later)
Thank you!

Vzn Moto X on T-Mo You should check out this thread.
I've been looking for info for a similar question. I have an xt1053 unlocked on T-Mo (very happy) but have considered getting a new phone and giving the X to my wife on Verizon through her work. I think the xt1053 can be flashed with Verizon stock rom, APN adjusted, new sim and used on their network, but can't confirm it. I think the X's have both GSM and CDMA bands available so it should be doable.

That seems to be the case, but looks like I'd need to find a 4.3 or before device to unlock the Bootloader (if I can), and then to flash a T-Mobile ROM to it to update it as necessary... Looks like an interesting option.

Groid said:
Vzn Moto X on T-Mo You should check out this thread.
I've been looking for info for a similar question. I have an xt1053 unlocked on T-Mo (very happy) but have considered getting a new phone and giving the X to my wife on Verizon through her work. I think the xt1053 can be flashed with Verizon stock rom, APN adjusted, new sim and used on their network, but can't confirm it. I think the X's have both GSM and CDMA bands available so it should be doable.
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terinfire said:
That seems to be the case, but looks like I'd need to find a 4.3 or before device to unlock the Bootloader (if I can), and then to flash a T-Mobile ROM to it to update it as necessary... Looks like an interesting option.
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Just to clear it up:
The XT1053 can NEVER be used on Verizon. Never ever. Can you flash the VZW ROM? Sure (even though it's not safe). Can you actually get it to work on VZW? Absolutely not. The XT1053 is a GSM-only phone. Verizon is a CDMA network. That's like trying to play a cassette tape in a CD player - they just aren't compatible.
Now for the reverse scenario: The Verizon moto X has BOTH GSM **AND** CDMA radios inside, which is why you CAN use the VZW variant on T-Mobile.
And finally, you CAN use a non-XT1053 (for instance, the XT1058) on T-Mobile, but you might not get LTE or HSPA+ depending on the frequencies supported by the model you are referencing. Calls/texts will most definitely work.
The individual variants DO have totally different frequency bands that are supported. You need to check the frequencies supported BEFORE you make a purchase - otherwise you may well find that calls and texts work, but you can only get 2G (EDGE) data.
Good Luck guys.

So... that being said, it looks like T-Mobile is compatible with the XT-1058 -- 1058 shares all the same LTE bands as 1053, per Wikipedia; it does lack one of the bands for 3G on T-Mobile (1700), but does have the 1900 that I believe T-Mobile was moving its 3G service to, anyhow.
Now, the real question... if I unlock the boot loader, I wonder if I could flash a similar version'd (i.e. 4.4.3 -> 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 -> 4.4.4) image over. Looks like I'm pursuing a 1058 at this point... Thoughts?

terinfire said:
So... that being said, it looks like T-Mobile is compatible with the XT-1058 -- 1058 shares all the same LTE bands as 1053, per Wikipedia; it does lack one of the bands for 3G on T-Mobile (1700), but does have the 1900 that I believe T-Mobile was moving its 3G service to, anyhow.
Now, the real question... if I unlock the boot loader, I wonder if I could flash a similar version'd (i.e. 4.4.3 -> 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 -> 4.4.4) image over. Looks like I'm pursuing a 1058 at this point... Thoughts?
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Due to the different frequencies supported, the modem/radio files vary from SBF to SBF.
In some cases, people have flashed one model GSM X with the SBF from another GSM model and it has worked, and in other cases they have lost use of the radio.
Being on Verizon, I haven't experimented with cross flashing radio/modem files, nor have I kept up with it completely to know the whats, whys, etc. and certainly can't advise what is safe and what is not.
However, there are a few things I can tell you for sure...
If you cross flash, do NOT ever downgrade. You will risk bricking your device. If you mix and match parts (radio, recovery from one ROM with a system from another), do NOT take an OTA. It will either fail or BRICK your device.
In order to flash the SBF from another model X on your X (say flash a XT1053 SBF onto an XT1058) you need to have an unlocked bootloader.
With the XT1058 in the USA, that is an ATT Device. The only way to unlock its bootloader is to hope either Sunshine works, or the Chinese Middleman has the unlock code for your phone's IMEI.
The ATT XT1058 is SIM locked, so you'll have to buy a code for that too otherwise the phone will reject the non-ATT SIM.
Due to the radio chips and antenna setup inside the X, just flashing the SBF from another model (including its modem/radio files) might not get you support of additional frequencies.
The easiest thing to do.. Buy an XT1058, unlock its bootloader, sim unlock it, and use it as-is with a T-Mobile SIM. Root it, remove any bloat you want, and block future OTA's (unless you put the bloat back). It will work for all T-Mobile bands/frequencies except 4G/HSPA+ on AWS (i.e. 1700/2100Mhz HSPA+) In those areas you'll get EDGE. However as T-Mobile completes its "Network Modernization" around the country, it is shifting HSPA+ to 1900Mhz which the ATT XT1058 supports, so in those areas you'll get HSPA+ just fine.

[Q] confusion about variants. moto x

Hello,
i am thinking to buy moto x dev edition form ebay as it available for cheap.
the ebay page of seller says its verizon XT1060 dev edition but then he adds GSM unlocked, i know for a fact that verizon devices are CDMA not GSM. please help.
other question is will i be able to install any rom from the forum in XT1060 or there are limitations. i had some bad experience with my htc one s (i had gotten the C2 variant instead of the original one with S4 ) if anyone wants to have a look at the ebay page here is the link
and ghost is the code name of moto x right ?

The phone should say Dev Edition on the back cover. Verizon does use CDMA, but the phones are GSM capable for world use. Once you unlock the bootloader, yes you can install other ROMs, but you may lose some of the core Moto X features like active display and touchless controls that are only available via stock firmware.

rjcrystal199 said:
Hello,
i am thinking to buy moto x dev edition form ebay as it available for cheap.
the ebay page of seller says its verizon XT1060 dev edition but then he adds GSM unlocked, i know for a fact that verizon devices are CDMA not GSM. please help.
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Verizon's LTE phones are SIM Unlocked and can be used with 3G/4G/LTE SIMS from GSM carriers. For example, I can put my T-Mobile USA SIM into my XT1060 Dev Edition for Verizon phone, and get T-Mobile service.
rjcrystal199 said:
other question is will i be able to install any rom from the forum in XT1060 or there are limitations. i had some bad experience with my htc one s (i had gotten the C2 variant instead of the original one with S4 ) if anyone wants to have a look at the ebay page here is the link
and ghost is the code name of moto x right ?
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The XT1060 does use CDMA, GSM and LTE radios. Its radio code or modem files are different from the other variants (like XT1053, XT1058,etc). So as long as the custom rom you are flashing doesn't include radios, OR tells you how to get your stock radios working, you should be fine.
The Verizon Dev Edition DOES have the verizon logo on the back too. In other words, that may be a "stock" dev edition photo, rather than the actual phone you're buying.

Looking to get XT1095 or XT1097 or something else for AT&T

I have XT1053 (Moto X 2013 Developer Edition GSM) and it is broken. I use it on AT&T and LTE support is important. It was on 4.2.2 and I never upgraded to 4.4 as it seemed all later versions just brought different problems and I never needed any new features. I haven't followed 5.1 too much but if it was any good there would not be threads here about downgrading on its forum, right?
My options are (I need to do something fast because I leave for vacation in Europe at the end of the month and would like to use phone there. I don't want anything larger than 5"):
1) Send it to Motorola and for $100 they will fix it. Probably just replace with refurb. But what version of Android will it come with? Does anyone know?
2) Get 2014 Moto X, but what version? It seems "Pure Edition" (XT1095) didn't support AT& LTE bands out of the box but they were upgraded later and that enabled it. Yet I found posts that AT&T IMEI database apparently doesn't list XT1095 as having these bands and phone doesn't connect to LTE on AT&T. One has to proved IMEI from another phone. My AT&T SIM is now associated with 1053, so maybe I would be OK? Has all this been officially rectified?
Has Lollipop upgrade on 2014 Moto X been as bad as it was on 2013?
3) Get XT1097 (AT&T version of Moto X 2014) - I don't like the fact that it only comes with 16GB of storage. Also, can it be rooted/bootloader/SIM unlocked?
4) Get some other phone and here I just don't know what to consider in 5" size because I haven't been following Android phones recently.
Feedback and answers appreciated.