Database Develop

Photo Thread - Post your camera samples here

I have been on the fence about this phone for sometime. Now the pro version is out and has the same camera sensor in it I am interested to see how both the mi note and mi note pro do for photos. I really don't want to get the LG G4 or the S6 and just need to hear some views about the camera quality especially indoor shots and moving objects. Will appreciate any posts. Thanks.

Here are a couple of photos I took yesterday at work.
Took them to show a buddy what I can do with a new Hot Air station we bought.
https://goo.gl/photos/cRuShrL2tQX4Hqmg7
https://goo.gl/photos/iWRqecbpDWXZc8Ni9
https://goo.gl/photos/9QyiAkRup1E9yDaq6

k4killer said:
Here are a couple of photos I took yesterday at work.
Took them to show a buddy what I can do with a new Hot Air station we bought.
https://goo.gl/photos/cRuShrL2tQX4Hqmg7
https://goo.gl/photos/iWRqecbpDWXZc8Ni9
https://goo.gl/photos/9QyiAkRup1E9yDaq6
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is it me or does focus look a little off ? Thank you for uploading though. Been wanting to see if camera was any good.

I will take some pictures today and upload them for you.

It is but its because the photo is taken like 5" from the work. I was maxing out the focus. This phone has a manual focus though which is absolutely amazing. It's the first phone I have had to have manual focus mode and most of the time, especially taking super close up pictures like this its really nice.

May I ask what is the intention or purpose of this tread?
There are many devices using the IMX214 sensor that is used in the Mi Note Pro already. Test pictures are available for all of them.
It's quite sad that my Mi Note Pro uses the outdated Sony IMX214 sensor that was already used in my one year old Mi4. They should have used the IMX240 which is used in the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The direct comparison differences are huge (I have all 3 mentioned devices)
Specs:
Name | Pixels | Sensor size | Cell size
IMX230 | 21MP | 7.487 mm | 1.12 μm × 1.12 μm | LeTV Max
IMX240 | 16MP | 6.828 mm | 1.20 μm × 1.20 μm | Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6
IMX214 | 13MP | 5.867 mm | 1.12 μm × 1.12 μm | Oppo Find 7, Xiaomi Mi4, Nexus 6, Huawei Ascend P7

Some samples here: http://en.miui.com/thread-122045-1-1.html

underlines said:
May I ask what is the intention or purpose of this tread?
There are many devices using the IMX214 sensor that is used in the Mi Note Pro already. Test pictures are available for all of them.
It's quite sad that my Mi Note Pro uses the outdated Sony IMX214 sensor that was already used in my one year old Mi4. They should have used the IMX240 which is used in the Samsung Galaxy Note 4. The direct comparison differences are huge (I have all 3 mentioned devices)
Specs:
Name|Pixels|Sensor size|Cell size
IMX230|21MP|7.487 mm|1.12 μm × 1.12 μm|LeTV Max
IMX240|16MP|6.828 mm|1.20 μm × 1.20 μm|Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy S6
IMX214|13MP|5.867 mm|1.12 μm × 1.12 μm|Oppo Find 7, Xiaomi Mi4, Nexus 6, Huawei Ascend P7
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You may ask but I thought the title was clear.
Several phones use the same IMX214 Sensor including several I have owned including Hauwei Ascend Mate 7 and One Plus One others I have not owned also use this sensor. Some companies add another lense and all the companies use different algorithms when processing the photo. I am interested to see if Xiaomi have done a better job with the IMX214 than the other phones I have owned as I have not been impressed but from what I have seen Xiaomi are some how doing a better Job, Also this thread gives users the opportunity to get the best out of their phone camera and compare shots and hopefully improve photography skills through the community that we all love here at xda but if you think it's a pointless thread please report it to a moderator.
I would appreciate it if you uploaded some samples using your Xiaomi Mi Note or if you don't have one like me enjoy the photos others post.

ipmanwck said:
You may ask but I thought the title was clear.
Several phones use the same IMX214 Sensor including several I have owned including Hauwei Ascend Mate 7 and One Plus One others I have not owned also use this sensor. Some companies add another lense and all the companies use different algorithms when processing the photo. I am interested to see if Xiaomi have done a better job with the IMX214 than the other phones I have owned as I have not been impressed but from what I have seen Xiaomi are some how doing a better Job, Also this thread gives users the opportunity to get the best out of their phone camera and compare shots and hopefully improve photography skills through the community that we all love here at xda but if you think it's a pointless thread please report it to a moderator.
I would appreciate it if you uploaded some samples using your Xiaomi Mi Note or if you don't have one like me enjoy the photos others post.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sure it's not pointless. I just wonder why every single phone needs a "Post your camera Pictures" thread. I think that's pointless for every device forum.
But feel free, I mean this is an open community and to some it may be helpful to see photos shot by this phone.
I rely on http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1 that shoots camera test pictures with repeatable and standardized test conditions.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
The Sony IMX214 seems ok but not superb. Especially if I compare the OIS when recording [email protected] of my Note 4 with the [email protected] on the Mi Note Pro. OIS seems absent here...
I would be happy if Xiaomi would include finger print, the latest sony CMOS and IP67 case for their next iteration.

Thanks for starting this thread. I will be posting my photos soon. If you've seen my other photos , then I'm hoping to create some stunning shots.
Note - having a Sony sensor guarantees nothing. Processor, ISP and software can make it amazing or just average, even rubbish. So a more powerful processor with the same hardware lens and software can be better than an older processor too.

gavinfabl said:
Thanks for starting this thread. I will be posting my photos soon. If you've seen my other photos , then I'm hoping to create some stunning shots.
Note - having a Sony sensor guarantees nothing. Processor, ISP and software can make it amazing or just average, even rubbish. So a more powerful processor with the same hardware lens and software can be better than an older processor too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Looking forward to the snaps. Created this thread as no sign of a mi note one but should be the same results.

Okay here a taster. More coming Thursday. Unedited.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr

gavinfabl said:
Okay here a taster. More coming Thursday. Unedited.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Impressive how you got that close to the fly without it moving !! Could you post some indoor photos with no daylight and only light bulbs please. Wondering what the processing does , Thanks.

Cheers
Went in to manual mode, fixed the focus. And asked the fly to stay still

So far I have uploaded 19 photos here - http://gavinsgadgets.com/2015/07/02/xiaomi-mi-note-pro-camera-shots/
Some other shots below are embedded.
Various shots taken with the #Xiaomi #MiNotePro smartphone by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr
Happy cows and ponies on Dartmoor #Xiaomi #MiNotePro by Gavin Fabiani-Laymond, on Flickr

this is a very good pictures

Anybody getting RAW photos on the Mi Note Pro? Some people get it on the "regular" Mi Note which has the same captor but nobody managed on the Mi Note Pro AFAIK

[Guide] Low Light and Long Exposure Photography with One Plus 3

Hi Everybody,
To be honest, I am very much amazed by the Camera of One Plus 3, It takes amazing shots in low light(provided you adjust exposure)
I have been tinkering with my One Plus 3 Camera for a while and found the Manual Mode in 3.2.0 Update quite usefull.
Here are some of the Pictures taken with My Device,
1. Macro Shot
https://imgur.com/84HjJ1X
Camera Used: Google Camera Manual Focus
Exposure time Auto
ISO Auto
After Pic Editing- Used Big lens to increase Depth of Field.
2. Low Light Night Photography
https://imgur.com/C2wHNaf
Camera App- Google Camera Focus set to infinity
Exposure time- 7/2500
ISO- 160
Cropped RAW DNG.
3. Low Light Long Exposure
https://imgur.com/4crrlMl
ISO 800
Exposure Time- 2 Sec
Edited RAW in Snapseed.
I plan to capture milky way, But I live in a city. Too much light Pollution
So Here are some of the apps I would recommend.
Proshot Pro for manual settings
Biglens for DSLR like DOF
Snapseed- Raw Editing

I just purchased proshot and had to refund it because it's so buggy. I've never seen an app with so many issues. ?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk

EP2008 said:
I just purchased proshot and had to refund it because it's so buggy. I've never seen an app with so many issues. ?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Works fine for me. Sometime changing the exposure leads to black screen. But I just restart the app

varunmehra5 said:
Works fine for me. Sometime changing the exposure leads to black screen. But I just restart the app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Black screen, crazy issues with zooming, the UI breaks (icons get all jumbled up and the viewfinder has fragments of frozen images), changing ISO doesn't give any preview so you don't know if the image is too light or what.
One thing that did work was the ability to turn image stabilization on and off at will.

Any difference using the one plus camera app with manual mode?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using XDA-Developers mobile app

tssphysicsboi said:
Any difference using the one plus camera app with manual mode?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using XDA-Developers mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you know how to use a camera in manual mode, it can change everything even if you don't have the aperture settings.
If you are talking about the noise treatment or sharpening, it don't change anything.

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
shot by op3 and edited in Adobe lightroom
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

This one really amazed my... I never thought a mobile cam will do this
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

sharath412 said:
View attachment 3833903This one really amazed my... I never thought a mobile cam will do this
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Which camera app and what settings did you use for this one?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using XDA-Developers mobile app

My OnePlus camera behave erratic while focussing,if the shutter speed and ISO is changed..is it an issue wid my mobile or is the frame rate low?its almost unusable..sorry if it's a noob ques, don't know much abt manual mode

Kartoffl said:
Which camera app and what settings did you use for this one?
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using XDA-Developers mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I used default camera app. Image was taken in raw. Then did post-processing using Adobe light room
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

Shot a night sky with a lot of stars in a pitch black night.
Exposure Time 30sec
Iso 1600
Focus Manual to Infinite
Layed the device flat down on a surface with the back facing up and used the volume button as the shutter.
Note this is a jpeg wihtout editing or anything just the post processing the device does.

Manual mode OOS Camera (OOS 3.2.2) :
ISO 800
Focus : Infinite
Exposure Time : 30s
Layed the device flat down on a surface with the back facing up and used the volume button as the shutter.
In a pitch black night (new moon), in the country
Milky Way :
Here is the original RAW converted to JPEG (max quality) :
And here the RAW after post-processing in Adobe Lightroom converted to JPEG (max quality)
I'm impressed about the camera's quality !

Letin69 said:
Manual mode OOS Camera (OOS 3.2.2) :
I'm impressed about the camera's quality !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Very nice results indeed with a phone and such a small lens. Stacking more raw pics of the same sky area before processing with lightroom/photoshop should help to reduce the noise.
On windows DeepSkyStacker is great for stacking.
I would love myself to experiment with different cameras apps/different processing however it seems (at least the last time I tried on OOS) that only the stock camera allows slow exposure up to 30s.
Anyone tried with cm and the latest camera improvements ? I know the OOS stock camera has some issues on custom roms but what about 'Snap' camera ?

_Man0waR_ said:
Very nice results indeed with a phone and such a small lens. Stacking more raw pics of the same sky area before processing with lightroom/photoshop should help to reduce the noise.
On windows DeepSkyStacker is great for stacking.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the advice, it's the first time I shot the Milky Way, I didn't know that such software exist
But I didn't understand the part about Flats (PLU), can you explain it to me please ?
Btw I tested all the ISO, and my favourites are 800 and 1600 to do night photographies.

Letin69 said:
Thanks for the advice, it's the first time I shot the Milky Way, I didn't know that such software exist
But I didn't understand the part about Flats (PLU), can you explain it to me please ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi. Well there are a lot of settings and options in this software. It's generally used with DSLR and telescopes. You can ignore flats and darks for now and only stack the 'lights' frames.
I suggest to read the faq on Deepskystacker website.
There are other techniques for stacking, using only photoshop for example. I reckon Deepskystacker is probably overkill for mobile astrophotography.
I have some astrophotography experience with a DSLR and a telescope but never tried with a smartphone. Mainly because smartphone cameras were pretty bad until recently, also long time exposure is relatively new on mobiles.
Have a look at this article too.
http://www.lonelyspeck.com/photographing-the-milky-way-with-a-smartphone/
I will try myself to experiment when I have some free time and clear skies.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

Okay,
I took again few photos last night, with the same parameters as before.
This time, I used the noise reduction technic, with image stacking (Photoshop, 5 pictures) (Thanks @ _Man0waR_ for the tip )
Here is my first night photography with this technic. I took others with ISO 1600 but I didn't have the time yet to do the post-processing ^^
Here is the original RAW picture (ISO 800, 30s exposure, Infinite Focus) :
Here is the stacked RAW (5 pictures) :
Great noise reduction !
And here the processed RAW (I wanted a more natural look as the previous one) :

Very nice shooting of the Lyra and Cygnus region It's impressive considering it was totally impossible to take this kind of pictures not so long ago with just a phone.
Stacking definitely helped to reduce the noise.
You should try to shoot the Sagittarius area (if you can, it's quite low in the sky). Adding some foreground, trees,mountains can make some really artistic pictures I suppose.
Well done !

_Man0waR_ said:
Very nice shooting of the Lyra and Cygnus region It's impressive considering it was totally impossible to take this kind of pictures not so long ago with just a phone.
Stacking definitely helped to reduce the noise.
You should try to shoot the Sagittarius area (if you can, it's quite low in the sky). Adding some foreground, trees,mountains can make some really artistic pictures I suppose.
Well done !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks
Yes, I want to try to shoot another area of the sky but I don't have a tripod to hold the phone yet. I actually just put the phone on a car's roof Yeah it's artisanal
But I'm considering buying a trepod, the photography interest me more and more, and I would be able to shoot the sky not only vertically ! And other landscapes ^^

Ohh wow, oh wow.
---------- Post added at 08:58 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:57 PM ----------
Woderfull, more please. Dessert at night? or am I asking too much?

About camera?

Hi to all
I have several questions about P20 Pro camera:
1. Did x3 optical zoom and x5 hybrid zoo. Have OIS? (Are they stable like optical zoom on S9+?)
2. Did it recording in 1080p 60fps?
3. Can "light fusion technology " be use for 40mp or just dor 10mp?
4. They didn't tell us so much about video recording. Is video recording better then S9+ or not? (I don't believe to DXO mark, but theysey that P20 Pro have better video recording)
5. Did P20 Pro have better HDR like Pixel Xl 2 and S9?
6. Can I use panorama on RGB sensors (40mp)?
7. I see on Youtube that in Pro mode they have just 3200 ISO, but they show us a 102400 ISO. So the camera is not with last software update?
8. Main camera (40mp) dont have OIS? And is AIS like EIS?

Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.

gavinfabl said:
Zoom sensor has OIS. The other two don’t.
Light fusion is 10mp Output.
Dxomark rated the video equal to the Pixel 2 scoring overall. They did say it was one of the best at video.
Yes, hence the 114 dxomark photo score. It doesn’t need the Pixel way of making photos using HDR+.
The ISO might be in Auto Mode at that level, but it can do it.
AIS uses some EIS and then AI to correct photo. Huawei say it’s better than OIS which wouldn’t surprise me if true.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?

isko01 said:
Thx a lot for your answer i have two more question:
Can I use camera manual mode with 40mp and diffrent ISO?
And, I never usw Huawei, did it have manual video mod like LG V30?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes and yes.

gavinfabl said:
Yes and yes.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thx and thx thx a lot

Camera samples from the devices at the launch.

All the 10MP samples I've seen look excellent. Certainly better than anything currently on the market.
Even in good light, the 40MP shots appear to be poorly lit and also lacking contrast .. I suspect due to both the huge amount of data being read by the camera software, and the very large resulting image, both metering and post processing are highly suspect. I'm sure it will improve with time, but I suspect that it would benefit from Huawei's next-gen SoC.
Zoom lens / sensor photos are surprisingly decent, as is the hybrid zoom.
What I'm most interested in seeing is image stacking / HDR on the main sensor's 10MP output, if it can do that. Huawei's image stacking / HDR has been a lot weaker than Samsung / Google / Open Camera etc previously.
P.S. For anyone wondering, from what I've been told the main 1/1.7" sensor is a Panasonic one.

I have S8 and S9 os not big difference in camera. SO I would like to buy P20 Pro, BUT it really need to be very good camera much better then S8. But what I see from Forbes I was very sad... The P20 Pro is not big improvement from s8, S9 and Iphon x...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...tout-huawei-p20-pro-vs-iphone-x/#bfc5e745d33b
And if the 40mp camera dark in good light, and you can use it for good photo, why then buy this phone? Why did they put 40mp if they dont have "Renesansa" pgoro and video?
P.S. lets meka a Group in telegram about P20 Pro...

The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.

mudnightoil said:
The 10MP output looks a lot better than anything on the market, including your S8 and S9.
It has 40MP because that's the sensor's native resolution. This sensor is used in cameras usually, not phones ... and they have far more sophisticated metering, lenses and dedicated image processing hardware, and can make some use of the 40MP - albeit even then the images usually look far better at a lower multiple of the native resolution, or downscaled. Dynamic range is far better - also seen on the P20 Pro.
But we're not going to get anything that compares even vaguely well to a half decent camera until we go to larger sensors still, or multi sensor arrays. As I said elsewhere, at least one major smartphone maker is working on a prototype of a phone with a 1" sensor ... whether it sees the light of day will possibly depend on how many units the P20 Pro sells.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thx for you a answer
So they are not possibility to make with update 40mp much better, or good like 10 mp?
I think if they put better pixel, better sensors like they put and 40mp camera then we can take big photo with very good details when zoom in photo, and very good quality photo. I aspect to see much much much better photo then S9+, pixel xl 2, iphon x... with so much better shadows, lights, and etc...
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?

What do you want 40MP output for? It's highly unlikely you need 10MP.
You realise 4K is 8MP? Assuming you don't have an 8K TV or monitor yet (33MP)?
How many people do large, super high DPI prints of mobile phone photos ... not many I'd wager.

40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
---------- Post added at 07:49 ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 ----------
I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.

gavinfabl said:
40mp images. Shot in raw. Say no more. These are amazing.
https://twitter.com/UmihitoTV/status/978969506679853056
10mp is excellent for nearly everything. When you want more, go raw and you’ve got best of both worlds.
---------- Post added at 07:49 ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 ----------
I currently have a Samsung S9+ and have been taking some amazing shots with it. Epic shots. See this post
https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/26/soussons-forest-dartmoor-national-park-shot-on-the-samsung-s9/
and https://gavinsgadgets.com/2018/03/2...om-the-samsung-galaxy-s9-featuring-snow-dogs/
So as far as I’m concerned, the P20 Pro has to be better than all of these types of shots. I did have the Huawei Mate 10 Pro that took some amazing pics too. So what I have decided to do, is to focus heavily on the Huawei P20 Pro when it arrives and create very specific and detailed posts on it , including the camera with lots of tips too.
I am fairly confident the P20 Pro will be better from the samples already shared that I’m selling my S9+, even though I actually really like it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Waooo you got very good photo. Did you make all in RAW rhen edit or?

The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.

gavinfabl said:
The shots shown in the linked posts were shot all in auto.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?

isko01 said:
Waooo even with same sensors and all camera hardwer like S8, S9 make much better photos then S8.
P20 Pro have much batter senzor nmand pixel from today competition, did this mean P20Pro will have better photos (take better photos) then S9+, pixel Xl2 and etc? With more light, shadows, details and etc?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I’m expecting the P20 Pro to be a lot better. And the creative options are huge.

does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?

dyepnoodle said:
does anyone here knows which camera sensor huawei is using for the pro? is it sony imx or a different one?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Someone earlier mentioned it is a Panasonic sensor

isko01 said:
So 40mp is jusy marketing trick?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Think back to the PureView tech. On that I believe the camera produced a 5 or 8MP image. In most cases that's the mode you used, even though you could go for the full-sized image. That often had a lot more noise, as the whole point of the 40MP is to use the data from 4 pixels to produce a cleaner 10MP image.
I took a few 40MP images but Google scales it down to 16MP on high-resolution mode (the mode I've chosen as otherwise I'd quickly use up all my storage) so at some point, I'll take a few more and host them elsewhere to share.
Frankly, we've moved on from playing the numbers game where more pixels is anything people cared about. 40MP here is purely to allow Huawei to do its clever stuff (especially the AI assisted night mode) and not just to sound better than the competition, even though I'm sure that's a rather good side-effect for the marketing department!
There are a lot more photos added to the gallery today, including some more from other people who attended the launch.
I am yet to experiment with RAW and the pro mode, and I do wonder if I'll need to as it is such a good phone for just picking up and shooting, letting the phone do its work. The scene detection works very well, although occasionally it may pick a mode you think isn't what you wanted to capture (e.g. a building where it goes for 'blue sky mode' to boost the colour of the sky) although it doesn't ruin the photo. Plus you can turn it off if you prefer. I don't see any need to yet.

hey @jonmorris,
How's the dynamic range compared with the pixel 2/galaxy s9? Maybe, if you own one of them you could post some comparison pictures .

Themes / Apps / Mods Samsung Expert Raw app

FYI, just noticed the release of the Expert Raw app by Samsung, supporting all lenses for the S21 Ultra. Editing can be done through Adobe Lighthouse for Samsung.
The app is release in South Korea, but als available through mirror sites.
More info here

thanks.

Manual controls over the telephoto lenses are awesome. However sadly "RAW" here is used loosely since there's built in noise reduction that cannot be adjusted.
Top is "Expert RAW" DNG to JPG with just adjusting brightness. No noise reduction is applied and yet there is very little detail. Bottom picture is just stock camera night mode. More noise, but also more detail.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

I'm testing Expert RAW now and mus confirm, noise reduction exist even on DNG file. You suggest to use other app?

I'll test it tonight

Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen.
2nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.

Randi03 said:
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sad but True. Higher ISO level = more agressive processing.
This example with some lightroom touches from x10 tele captured on ISO 50 but on tripod gimbal with 1/15s time.
Glad that they gave us full control at all, that's the most important thing, but they also had to give something back.

More examples with little lightroom postpro. All lenses and this time all captured from hand. Expert RAW creates multiple ammount of photos to some kind of HDR RAW. Anyway theare are much better than photos from standard camera app. Less processing but still exist.

Randi03 said:
Right after downgrading to 11 I saw this post. Back to 12... Again and, yes, it's True. This is NOT pure RAW. I posted 3 photos down here so you can see what's going on. I apologize in advance for this long post but I wanted to show the actual view on the user's screen.
1st: Expert raw actually takes a RAW photo (notice the high chroma noise) but immediately processes it, to reduce the noise as seen with the yellow progress circle in the lower part of the screen. View attachment 54668372nd: after processing, the photo looks like this
View attachment 5466841
3rd: after opening the photo in Photoshop Express, it looks like this:
View attachment 5466843
To the untrained eye, this looks like such a great, clean image. But this is clearly, not RAW and it is not what users asked for.
Honestly, Samsung is frustrating. They give you the feeling that they are listening to their customers. We ask them for oranges and they give us watermellons. My theory is that they absolutely know they have mediocre sensors in their flagships and do not want to risk their image by letting you see the RAW capability of their camera.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
lol that's the thing though, the sensors aren't mediocre. Having a Snapdragon with access to telephoto RAW for a while now, I can definitely say that they're pretty good albeit a little soft and lack contrast. I think it's that Samsung's algorithm is still problematic and they are still catering to the common user who they think is scared of any signs of noise.
Here's a zoomed in picture of a 10x GCam RAW zoomed in with Photoshop Express without noise reduction
And here's the Expert RAW version

Wow, the Gcam looks very nice. That's exactly what I hope to get out of the Exynos someday )

Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more

PhilMorin said:
Expert raw seems to be the answer to apple's proraw or I can't remember the exact name. Basically it's 6 raw shots stacked together to help reduce the amount of noise and increase dynamic range over a single raw since these phones are usually meant to have lots of internal post precessing after the raw shot to look good. I was pretty excited when I read apple had come up with it. Turned out to be disappointing. Looks like Samsung's answer isn't better either.
It shows the difficulty of processing and stacking multiple images. I'll stick to my gcam with snap dragon as I'm super happy with it. 10x is by far my favorite lens to take portraits, never use the fake portrait mode, even in 3x it can't beat gcam 10x. Google processing is just that good. If pixel 6 pro had a 10x periscope I was probably switching phones... Will have to wait some more
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what GCAM mod are you using btw?

yoyosquad said:
what GCAM mod are you using btw?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.

PhilMorin said:
Arnova, one of the first version that was released. I've been really happy with it so haven't bothered updating to one of the latest version that beserker has posted.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?

ski.ign said:
if that's not a problem, can you write us exact version of this release?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Gcam build number is 8.1.101, might still be available from the links in beserker gcam for snapdragon thread

test

How can I install it? It's a zip file

Hello, i have question - how LOSELESS JPEG function works? Can You share some photos without editing it in external editors like lightroom? I'm interested how jpg from expert camera looks like.

I don't see any different between this camera end the stock camera

Hi, I am not sure what you mean by lossless jpeg. I couldn't find a setting for this. Here you can find 6 JPEG photos. 3 with stock, 3 with expert. All settings (ISO, Exposure, Focus distance, White balance) should be exactly the same as I have manually selected them while keeping the phone on a tripod. Auto HDR was disabled too. https://we.tl/t-WSBZjBGaNB
Also, I am on the Exynos variant.

General 200MP scaled down looks way better than 50MP

A scaled down 200MP image (to 50MP) looks way better than a 50MP from the Smart Hires Mode
So there is a lot of room for improvement of the Smart Hires mode (not so aggressive noise reduction and edge "enhancement").
An alternative would be that Motorola exposes the 50MP RAW surface (the 2x2 binning) instead of only the 12.5MP (4x4 binning) and allowing us to develop the images ourself.
Xiaomi showed us (in the e.g. Mi Note 10) how a 108MP sensor can produce superbe 27MP RAW images with way more details than from the competition.
Original 50MP
Downscaled 200MP

The full size Canon sensor in their top line pro shooter is less than 23 mp. It will out shoot any smart phone image quality wise. That actually a very large full frame and densely packed sensor with tremendous light gathering ability.
At some point the mp count becomes hype rather than an useful feature. 12 mp is a much more reasonable size for this sensor's form factor. The ability to form precision micro lens drops with size. They've already exceeded this critical factor. That's one reason a pro shooter can grab a better high resolution image.
Bottom line is you buy a smartphone for it's overall performance not just it's cam specs. With no expandable storage a smartphone that produces huge jpeg and raw files you will quickly eat up the internal storage capacity even with 500gb. A quality 12mp sensor can produce excellent images and is likely still the optimum size for the sensor form factor found in smartphones. When you see that being exceeded by a factor of 2, 5, 10x you have to wonder wtf is the designer's goal really was. Was it just mp bragging rights?

based on sample pics that ive seen in gsmarena heavy processing regarding noise reduction and sharpening, is ruining the quality, especially in telephoto samples.

@blackhawk Well you have to put this into perspective.
Can a small device like a smartphone hold up against a full frame sensor paired with good quality glass then the answer is now.
But if you comare a moder flagship samrphone with a high end SoC with a midrange device from a few years ago costing less than half the price than you can draw a baseline.
This baseline for me is the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 with its 108MP sensor producing very detailed 27MP RAW images with more than enough dynamic range. Especially when originated from GCam as stacked DNGs.
Why not give the users the opportunity to use the 4x4 binning as well as the 2x2?
You are right megapixel are not everything but details in an image is one of the main criterias besides color. 12.5MP are not enough im my opinion. Not if you want to crop now and then. Smartphone manufacturer have not been able to figure out the sweet spot yet and that is between 24 and 50MP. Modern hardware can easily handle that. MotionCam showed that a 4K DNG stream of 30-60fps in form of MotionDNG is possible so why not 50MP RAW images? This does not have to be the every day cost but at least there should be the opportunity.

More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).

AJ732101 said:
More evidence here that a downscaled 200MP image (from the same device) looks way better than the 50MP output (the scene with the rails).
The downscaled image shows a much more natural look and the 50Mp the typical plasic look that looks like a rendered image from a computer game.
When Motorola is able to present the same result for the 50MP right out of the box this would be a big step forward in smartphone photography (for all that don't want to play with RAW/DNG).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In what program do ypu donwnscaled it ? I seams that gcam can make even better pics

I simply use IrfanView with these settings
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Problem with GCam is that even if you get RAW your details with a 12.5 RAW image are also very limited. Not like the 27MP from my Xiaomi Mi Note 10.
As long as the Edge 30 Ultra does not grants access to the 2x2 binned 50MP RAW images GCam or ProShot can not create what is not there and this are details from existing pixels.
So the 50MP downscaled 200MP images are superior to the developed 12.5MP RAW is respect to details.

Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image

AJ732101 said:
Here a sample of the level of details that is possible
For comparison a developed RAW image
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?

Wolf.88 said:
Do you have any photo shoot with gcam ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
Sample 2
Sample 3
Sample 4
Sample 5

AJ732101 said:
More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
Sample 2
Sample 3
Sample 4
Sample 5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for your work man. When i look your scaled down photos of 36 mpx its sweet spot , to me it looks better than any phone in terms of detail, and color im blow away by results.

AJ732101 said:
More samples of 200MP images reduced by half of the resolution
Images are color corrected as the Edge 30 Ultras color science is not my favourite one
Sample 1
Sample 2
Sample 3
Sample 4
Sample 5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock

Wolf.88 said:
Try this Gcam, it outputs 50 mpx and its much better than stock
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you very much for the tip.
But in my opinion the output looks really awful: sample
In terms of color an detail rendering. Looks more than an upscale than a real 50MP image and the RAW files are still 12.5MP. So I doubt that this GCam version has access to the 50MP image surface.
A look into the settings shows that upscaling with a factor 2.0x is active. So no real pixel.
The developer of the great photo app ProShot is in touch with Motorola to get access to the 50MP image plane in RAW so that 3rd party creators like him can get much more out of the hardware that Motorola is capable of.
I am corious if Xiaomi with their 12T Pro that uses the same 200MP sesor is able to do better.

A few days ago I received the version 1.21.2 of the Camera Tuner 4 via Google Play Store.
The update notes stated some image and video improvements.
Until now for the Edge 30 Ultra not to many seem to have received this update.
Still a 200MP downscale looks way better than the 12.5MP right out of the phone.
Look at the grass in this sample
This also applies for the 50MP images.
They do not look bad at all until you see the 200MP downscale as a comparison.
Here some other stuff after the update:
Collection of 200 to 50 megapixel downscales
Collection of 50MP right out of the phone (same motives)

Also in low light the 200MP downscale outperforms the 12.5 content frm the phone by far
The sample