So apparently the Moto X t-mobile variant (XT1053) supports US bands 4 and 17 LTE (and band 2), and has an amplifier for bands 12/17, which are disabled by default. I was wondering if there is any way to flash/modify the radio to enable band 12 for tmobile? Has anyone actually attempted to do so?
mauri6870 said:
So apparently the Moto X t-mobile variant (XT1053) supports US bands 4 and 17 LTE (and band 2), and has an amplifier for bands 12/17, which are disabled by default. I was wondering if there is any way to flash/modify the radio to enable band 12 for tmobile? Has anyone actually attempted to do so?
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I would like to know this as well.
Sent from my XT1053 using Tapatalk
Any update on this?
I have not tried this but it looks interesting.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2871269
No one has unlocked "hidden" bands on a Moto X to date.
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What are the differences between the Moto X for T-Mobile (available only on Motorola's site) and the GSM developer edition in terms of network compatibility? I know that T-Mobile has "weird" frequencies for their HSPA+ network and the T-Mobile model supports this. Does the GSM Developer edition support the T-Mobile HSPA+ band for those areas where LTE isn't available?
I am under the impression that the developer edition only supports T-Mobile HSPA that is on the 1900mhz band.
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After posting my original question I found this post which states:
Not sure why there is so much confusion going about. The GSM Developer Edition, for all intensive purposes, is the exact same phone as the T-mobile Moto X (which is the true unlocked and unbranded Moto X). So the bands that they both support are identical, which includes:
2G/Edge: 850, 900, 1800, 1900MHz
3G/HSPA+/UMTS: 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100MHz
4G/LTE : Bands 2, 4, 17
Again, they're the exact same phones. The only difference is that the GSM DE comes with 32gb only and is $650 with a white back and black front, and the T-mobile Moto X comes in only 16gb size (for now) and in weave black or weave white colors.
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I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!
zabolots said:
After posting my original question I found this post which states:
I've seen so many contradictions on this it's crazy. So while the author doesn't understand it, I'm still confused.
I definitely want support for all T-Mobile HSPA+ bands since their LTE network is so new and not very widespread, but I don't have a firm grasp of whether or not the developer edition will support all T-Mobile frequencies. If the author of the above post is correct, I'll likely go with the Dev edition. However, from his signature, he's running the 16GB T-Mobile version so I'm not entirely sure that he is the best source of this information.
Can anyone that acutally owns the GSM Dev edition confirm that it works on the T-Mobile HSPA+ bands?
Thanks!
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i dont have a dev edition, but i saw someone say it was an XT1053 model as well. So if it is it should be the same as the t-mobile one (which i have actually)
The XT1053 model is the only model with the 1700mhz 3G band for T-Mobile. There would be no reason for the XT1053 to exist otherwise.
If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.
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If you're on T-Mobile, go with the XT1053. It's bootloader is unlockable AND it's SIM unlocked. It's essentially a developer edition phone, with T-Mobile bands.
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Are you certain about the T-Mobile version being SIM-unlocked? I had read other posts that indicated that while it does have an unlockable bootloader that it is SIM-locked to T-Mobile.
For what it's worth, here's a log of a chat I had with Moto customer service:
Scott: I am interested in the Moto X and I'm on T-Mobile in the U.S. I know that there is a T-Mobile version, the XT1053. However, I'd really like more storage so I'm wanting the GSM Developer edition. However, I know that T-Mobile US has some strange frequencies for their HSPA+ network and I'm not sure if the Developer Edition fully supports all T-Mobile bands. Can you confirm if the Developer Edition will work exactly the same on T-Mobile as the T-Mobile model XT1053?
Gerald Ray: Let me check if I can get your some visuals and detailed information. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: I was able to verify that information. Yes, it does support Frequencies HSPA+ and other bands. It works exactly the same as the T-Mobile Moto X.
Developer version is 32GB, normal carrier version is 16GB
Moto X - Black or white available
Gerald Ray: You may also check this site: www [dot] motorola [dot] com/us/Moto-X-Developer-Edition-GSM-Networks/moto-x-developer-edition.html
Gerald Ray: Networks
GSM/GPRS/EDGE - UMTS/HSPA + up to 42 Mbps - 4G LTE
2G/2.5G GSM/GPRS/EDGE bands
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
4G LTE bands
700/AWS/1900MHz (B17/B4/B2)
Scott: So you are saying that the T-Mobile version is exactly the same as the GSM Developer edition, except for the internal storage (32GB vs 16GB)?
Gerald Ray: Yes, correct.
Scott: Is the GSM Developer Edition an XT1053 or is it a different model number?
Gerald Ray: Good question. Let me check on that. Hold on please.
Gerald Ray: Yes, It has the same model number which is XT1053.
Scott: One final question: Is the T-Mobile version SIM-locked to the T-Mobile network or can I put in an AT&T SIM and use the device on the AT&T network as I could with the Developer Edition?
Gerald Ray: Thanks for the question. T-Mobile version is SIM-Locked to the T-Mobile Network only.
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The only difference are
- colors
- Dev edition print
- 16gb more
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3G UMTS bands
850/900/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps (B5/B8/B4/B2/B1)
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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but its a XT1053, so it DOES support AWS hspa.
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?
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Is there a way to determine what areas T-Mobile has already refarmed (I'm in the Chicago area BTW)?
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Chicago is refarmed, I live in Chicago But not all areas are refarmed, so go with the TMO version or you'll be jumping between edge and LTE a lot.
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Exactly. The developer edition DOES NOT support the 1700mhz HSPA+ band. It will not connect to T-Mobile's HSPA+ network in the areas that haven't been refarmed. Only the T-Mobile edition accomplishes this.
It's disconcerting that even Motorola doesn't give you the right answer.
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you know 1700 band = AWS band right?
mohlsen8 said:
you know 1700 band = AWS band right?
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Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.
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Yes. The XT1058 does not support the 1700MHz AWS band. Only the XT1053 does.
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But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!
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But according to the Moto rep, the Dev Edition IS an XT1053. Are there really two versions of the XT1053, one with support for 1700MHz AWS for T-Mobile and one without (Dev Edition)?
It's crazy that there is so much confusion about this and that apparently even Motorola doesn't know what it has!
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Yes, I have a dev edition - it is the XT1053. So is the T-Mobile version. They're the same phone but one has less storage. Pretty sure Motorola has their description correct.
If it's the XT1503, then yes, it should support 1700MHz AWS.
Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900
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Well it does not have the 1700mhz frequency just look at the Motorola site it shows LTE bands for the dev edition as 700 and 1900
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The 1700 band is for TMO's HSPA network.
So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...
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So from all the responses thus far, here is what I can come up with:
- Both the GSM Developer Edition and the T-Mobile version are model XT1053
- The T-Mobile version definitely supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+
- According to Moto's Developer Edition page, it does NOT support 1700MHz band
So, is it really likely that there are two different versions of the XT1053, one of which has 16GB and supports T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+ and another which has 32GB but does NOT support T-Mobile's 1700MHz HSPA+?
If only there were somebody here who actually owned a Developer Edition AND used it on T-Mobile in an area that hasn't been refarmed...
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Developer is xt1058 and it does not support 1700mhz its in black and white on the developer phone page on Motorola's website
Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
azzurrony said:
Ok..so does 4.4.2 finally give us AWS on verizon? Need it badly here in NYC. Delay is activating this band is ridiculous
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 on my Verizon Dev X appears to give me AWS LTE... I say that because I get LTE signal when using my T-Mobile USA SIM in my X. And T-Mobile supports Band 4, not Band 13.
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4.4 VZ Dev Ed gives me band 4 LTE with a TMo SIM. Have yet to try it since flashing a EU 4.4.2 file (kept my 4.4 VZ radios, so I can't imagine it would change much, but Play Store recognizes my device as XT1052 now, which I find funny).
What app do you use to check the band?
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What app do you use to check the band?
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I have nothing that will display the LTE Band. I would love to find one that does.
For me, its process of Elimination.. VZW X initially supported LTE Band 13, which T-mobile doesn't support. T-Mobile does support LTE Band 4, which is the only other VZW LTE Band. (VZW lists Band 13 and 4 on their page for the X). Since I get LTE with my T-Mobile SIM it must be LTE band 4.
If you get T-Mobile LTE in any device, it supports AWS LTE, period.
I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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I understand the process of elimination but on my SGS3 it would give me a band number (Band 13 in my case) but my Moto X gives me no band number. Is there a way to find out what band it is actually connected to?
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As far as I know, no, not on vanilla Android. I also own a Galaxy S4 and what you're talking about is integrated into TouchWiz.
The Moto X used to tell you what Band it was on...this was prior to the Kitkat update. After that, I have been unable to find an app that tells me what band it is using. If anyone else has ideas, let me know. (BTW I am not rooted.)
I will be taking my verizon XT1060 DE phone to the UK in a couple of weeks. Last time I was there I picked up a gifgaf card but didn't have time to focus on trying to use data. This time, I'd like to be able to use LTE data but most, if not all, carriers in the UK use band 3 and 20. I believe the xt1060 has bands 4 and 13 enabled. Is there any way to enable the UK bands on the phone?
Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Unfortunately, no. It's a hardware limitation.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
The current XT1060 rom/radio files only supports LTE Bands 4 and 13.
I have seen nothing on enabling other bands, nor have I seen the rom/radio files from other modes which are compatible to flash in order to enable any other LTE bands.
i.e. No matter what the hardware is capable of supporting, as it stands today, you are stuck with LTE Bands 4 and 13 only on the XT1060.
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Per FCC approval, the verizon version has hardware for lte bands 2/4/7/13 - Verizon
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just to make this clear:
does the vzw xt1060 has hardware limitations for band 7 or not?
if i flash e.g. the rogers or at&t radios i will result in a phone with imei = 0 until flashing back to the vzw radios?
is the cdma&"worldphone" chipset responsible for this?
thanks in advance
You can't enable bands that aren't supported. That's it. ?
Hi guys,
i want to buy an sim unloked AT&T moto X XT1058 and i just found out that the LTE band 3 is not supported/locked. Is it possible to add this band, or unlocked somehow so I can use 4G in Romania? my network provider Telekom (t-Mobile Romania) uses this LTE band here.
Pls help me out so i know if the investment is worth or not.
Ty
Best regards!
Sorry, but the Moto X supports the bands the models advertise, no more.
There's no way to "unlock" other bands.
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Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.
I am testing too. I am using Telus in Canada, roaming in US is mostly T-Mobile though.
From what I can see, our version has LTE bands 2,4,5,7 only. It does not have 700MHz bands or 66 aka AWS-3, so we may have trouble in rural areas.
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Is it compatible with AT&T's 4G bands? Thanks.
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I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.
tfae said:
Having root the easiest way to have this is installing the app from the Play Store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=rgm.oneplus8pro_ircamera
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HandBasket said:
I'm using both t-mobile and ATT sim cards... t-mobile ha been working fine. at&t had been no good it's struggling with multimedia text messaging. Called both att and ways and nobody can fix it for now. Not sure if it's because of the dual setup. I've thing I noticed is that when I remove and replace the sun card manually it will work right for a few hours and then revert back.
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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.
Im using rog 3 with ATT and have no issues at all
awdrifter said:
Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Only 2 band out of the 4 bands are supported. I ended up getting the OnePlus 8 Pro. It's SD865 vs the SD865+ in the ROG3, but the lack of ATT band support dissuaded me.
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Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
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Im not sure why your saying you only get 2 lte bands. If anything ROG 3 supports most ATT band.
Here's a link with further details on ATT bands along with ROG 3 specs.
Cheat sheet: which 4G LTE bands do AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint use in the USA?
What are the 4G LTE bands supported by AT&T in 2019? Do they differ from the 4G LTE bands that T-Mobile uses? And what about Verizon Wireless massive 4G LTE network and its supported frequency bands? And where is Sprint left in the 4G LTE picture? What Verizon bands are currently in use? What...
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That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.
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That's the Global version, which is much more expensive than the CN version. I was looking at the 12GB RAM/256GB ROM CN version for $680. The equivalent Global version is $900+. I ended up getting a OnePlus 8 Pro 12/256 for $710.
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For sure bud, well that's the one I got. I thought it would come with MIUI BUT IT DIDN'T