Is it just me or is this part of the design? I find that the volume rocker, quite literally rocks just a tad. Feels to me like it might be intentional but the power button on the other hand seems to be pretty snug in place. If anyone else can post their results, I'd appreciate it.
I also figured that since the frame and buttons are metal along with the volume rocker being one solid button, that it'd need a small amount of room to function without jamming. My OCD is setting in...
JoeyWhite said:
I also figured that since the frame and buttons are metal along with the volume rocker being one solid button, that it'd need a small amount of room to function without jamming. My OCD is setting in...
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You are correct. The button needs room to move as it's rotating on its axis (when you look at it from the side), so the top corners need some space to move in.
Think of a rectangle that's rotating around its exact center - as it rotates, follow the top corner and see how it starts "sticking out further to the side" than if the rectangle was sitting perfectly horizontal? That's what that extra space is for, and is unavoidable in a rocker button - to get rid of that you would need to split it into two separate buttons that press straight down, just like the power button, which has no extra space around it because it does not rotate, it just goes straight down.
Source: I used to obsess over minute imperfections like this to the point where it caused me severe anxiety and I chose to not have any more anxiety and just enjoy my gadgets. Nothing is ever perfect, unless you have a skilled craftsman hand-make you one.
this is the design, all of my previous galaxy S phones were like this, same thing with the note 4. i'd say just get over it and enjoy the device. the next one you get might be worse. :good:
How's the home button on your note 4
Mine has some play in it if you touchbit slightly with you finger. How are yours?
Yes mine is also slightly loose, no big deal to me. Seems solid despite the wiggle room, I wouldn't worry about it.
Nah, this is not design and the theories of rotating rectangles are just weak. It is just funny how people build theories around something that they have zero idea about...
I checked some working Note 4 in mobile phone shops and they are very solid with no movements and no rattling. Same with my friend's Note 4.
Unfortunately, the volume rocker in my Note 4 is very loose. I am not sure if I will return it or not as I am using the case, so this "minor" issue becomes invisible.
Home and power buttons are stiff and solid - no sounds definitely. They barely move.
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Been very happy with the Kaiser so far, including on the GPS front ;-) but I'm getting slightly annoyed by two hardware nits :
1. wobbly : in portrait mode when I tap on the screen the right side tends to "hit" the keyboard part underneath and looking closely it's easy to understand why, there is a tiny gap between the two parts, likely for the slide/tilt mechanism
2. sloped : when I pull out the keyboard, the right side of the screen goes out more than the left side so it is slightly sloped. It improved a bit when folding the screen. Again I think this is a constraint of the slide/tilt mechanism
I'm thinking it's a general quirk because I had to change my first model (stuck key) and it had the same problems.
Anyone else noticed that ?
in portrait mode my kaiser seems to be spaced the same all the way around and doesnt push on the keyboard when tapping the screen. I do notice what you mean by the keyboard appearing to be farther out on the right side but after taking a closer look it just seems that way because of the face plate not being uniform all the way down (part where it flares out on the left side). Mine is exactly pushed out on both sides.
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in portrait mode my kaiser seems to be spaced the same all the way around and doesnt push on the keyboard when tapping the screen. I do notice what you mean by the keyboard appearing to be farther out on the right side but after taking a closer look it just seems that way because of the face plate not being uniform all the way down (part where it flares out on the left side). Mine is exactly pushed out on both sides.
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Mine's the same as this. It sounds like yours may not be quite right and I'd consider getting a replacement. Of course, if you can live with it, and the functionality is all there then it's entirely up to you.
For the sloping I've had two and they were both the same, so it's probably a design constraint, no biggie.
For the "wobbling", it comes and goes, I can only really feel the "knocks" when I hold the left side tight and tap on the scroll bar on the right, again, no biggie.
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iv had the same problem of one end sticking out,
iv gone around it by inserting some tiny smugged paper into the sliding slots at the back, resolves the issue quite well.
I don't seem to have either problem (TyTN II version).
power button: Too recessed and flat, to the point where I now have to use my fingernail to power on the device.
volume button: Flimsy to the point where I can literally slide it up and down. I can also hear it jingle when the device vibrates.
Backcover Flimsy, moves around too much and is never tightly secured.
hardware: When I unplug my device from the charger and the screen is getting ready to time out, it flashes green, then times out... (this looks like it's going to create bigger issues down the road)
Power button: 1 in 20 HD7's I have exhibited the behavior you mention. It went away however. I would advise against using your fingernails if at all possible.
Volume Button: Again, 1 in 20 have this, and unfortunately it's the one I carry around. Two other HD7's I personally used did not have this.
I'd try to get it replaced if I were you.
I'm 2 for 2 on the first two annoyances (power and volume button).
I'm getting it replaced again (for the third time) tomorrow morning. I've also noticed these problems with the store models at various T-Mobile stores.
If I have the same problem with my third device, I'm returning it and getting my refund. Omnia 7, here I come.
Hmmm... I don't care much for the power button placement, but I haven't seen any of the other things you mentioned.
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Power button: 1 in 20 HD7's I have exhibited the behavior you mention. It went away however. I would advise against using your fingernails if at all possible.
Volume Button: Again, 1 in 20 have this, and unfortunately it's the one I carry around. Two other HD7's I personally used did not have this.
I'd try to get it replaced if I were you.
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regarding issue #1, how did the problem go away? did some mechanism inside shift causing the power button to pop out more? just wondering?
i also have the loose battery cover. very annoying.
also about the screen... havent seen this mentioned before. i have a slight gap at the left and right edges of the screen where it meets the chrome-ish border. its pretty easy for particles to get stuck in there. compared to the hd2, this gap is pretty noticeable.
I thought I was the only one with these issues lol, figured the recessed power button was just a design oversight
@jimbonics: just wondering, but why do you advise against using your fingernail?
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Power button: 1 in 20 HD7
Volume Button: Again, 1 in 20 have this
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Seriously? I checked a batch of HD7 in malaysia, and exceptionally, all of them had this issue. You're just so lucky you dont have it
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Maybe because of this ?
Thanks Shu and daaango.
I knew I wasn't crazy in thinking this was an issue only I was experiencing.
I've also read several phone reviews, and a lot of the reviewers mentioned about the power button being recessed and stating frustration waking up the device.
I don't know how HTC can fluff up something so important. I mean, what good is a product if you can't power it on; wake it up? One would think they would put emphasis on having a solid foundation on the power button.
Melcali: Yeah, on one phone the power button managed to become flushed, to the point the user had to use their fingernail (even though i found it easy to turn on with the flat of my finger, almost like it was capacitive). However, next day it had 'popped out' a bit and had become less recessed and hasn't been a problem for him since.
daango: In addition to what Shu posted, using your fingernail is likely going to cause you to press the button in harder than it needs to be, which would likely cause the button to be crammed in more and more over time. If it can't be prevented, it can't, I'm just advising against it.
I've got two unopened spares. I'm going to crack them open and see if the volume button jiggles.
Ah, thanks shu and jimbonics for explaining that
Honestly, I don't think it can be helped. Maybe my fingers are too round or something, but using my fingernail seems like the only option right now. I might try adding layers of tape on the button so its easier to press but idk yet... it might take away from the aesthetics
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All five units I've come across so far -- my defective original (corrupted memory), my current one, a second defective one (also corrupted memory), its replacement, and an in-store demo phone -- have the same issues:
Recessed power button
Very difficult to press camera button (basically useless)
Loose volume rocker (the case opening is about 0.8 mm too long for the rocker, so it moves around)
Imperfect battery cover fit (the plastic cover flexes from the opening process, so usually doesn't fit perfectly)
Weak screen support in bottom-right (press a bit on the search key and you'll see waves on the LCD)
On the two that I've had long enough to use, the clear coat on the kickstand is flaking off, and the Windows Phone logo, which was barely visible to begin with, has almost completely faded away on one of them.
Kind of sad that HTC screwed up so badly given that the HD7 is a barely-modified HD2, which was among the best-built phones on the market.
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All five units I've come across so far -- my defective original (corrupted memory), my current one, a second defective one (also corrupted memory), its replacement, and an in-store demo phone -- have the same issues:
Recessed power button
Very difficult to press camera button (basically useless)
Loose volume rocker (the case opening is about 0.8 mm too long for the rocker, so it moves around)
Imperfect battery cover fit (the plastic cover flexes from the opening process, so usually doesn't fit perfectly)
Weak screen support in bottom-right (press a bit on the search key and you'll see waves on the LCD)
On the two that I've had long enough to use, the clear coat on the kickstand is flaking off, and the Windows Phone logo, which was barely visible to begin with, has almost completely faded away on one of them.
Kind of sad that HTC screwed up so badly given that the HD7 is a barely-modified HD2, which was among the best-built phones on the market.
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wow, you have had a lot of problems. I'm still on my original hd7 since second week of november.
1. power button is slightly recessed, but no problems pushing it with my finger (not nail)
2. camera button does have some orange on it, but it functions properly.
3. volume buttons work fine, maybe a little slide to the rocker, but doesn't effect controls
4. no flaking of clearcoat, no wp7 logo coming off, no lcd discoloration no matter how hard I press on the search or back buttons.
5. Back cover fits properly. I haven't had much reason to pull it off after initial placement of sim card, thanks to phone not constantly freezing. There is a slight gap where the back cover meets the smaller cover.
What are you subjecting your phones to???
I agree the hd7 build quality might not be iphone, but it's holding up well for me. It's not like we have a lot of choices on t-mobile, the dvp has way more problems at this point.
amb9800 speaks the truth. I went through 3 different units that had defects to varying degrees. I had similar issues with the EVO as well. HTC are notorious for shoddy craftsmanship.
I have the same problems they started AFTER my 30 days .. So i havent tryed to go and change at my local T-Mobile!! Is there any loop in the contract or something that would let me change it for anither phone and pay difference/get a refund xD
have the same problems as the op
So i just got my HD7 yesterday, and the first time i try to turn it on i found out that the power button is extremely hard to press, and the position of it is horrible for a right-handed person, should've been on the left top corner instead.
Problem is the power button is too flat that i have to press few times in order to wake the device up, this is really annoying.
My idea is, is it possible to wake the device up by pressing the middle home capacitive button? So it's like the "Activator" on a jailbroken iPhone to change keys around to fit your needs. It really will help us to save the power button from being jammed. (well at least it looks like its going to get jammed if you keep pressing it)
No.
But you can always take your phone back to the store for a refund.
Most HD7's, if not all, have the power button almost flush. You'll find it doesn't take a hard press at all to turn it on. It's almost as if it's a capacitive button itself.
As for the positioning, most right handed people hold the phone in their left hand, and the power button is perfect for the left index finger.
With the power button i find that although the button you push is very wide, the actual button component underneath is very small and situated to the far side of the button area. (see Attached).
If you press it right there, you'll probably notice hardly any force is needed at all
with some time now with the hd7 Im glad the button is flushed as it is or else it would be going ON while in your pocket all the time.
The old HD7 i got the button was hard to press, and same for the camera button. the new one i have is good though. and that attatchment helped! haha, ive been pressing on the middle, when you press on the left its much easier.
I bought a case from T-Mobile (not sure which brand, but has transparent back side) and it came with it's own little button the interacts with the one on the phone, making it MUCH easier to press. It seems all these phones are plagued by the same problem. You'd think a $500 dollar phone would be put together a little better, eh?
Yes they are and its due to capitalism that we see all these flaws. They cannot wait to pump out a new model to justify the 499 price tag. Anyhow I have the same issue as the OP fortunately I have a case that makes it easier to press.
sometimes it feels like I'm gonna break it trying turn it on but the case I bought from SEIDIO helps guide my finger to the button
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Have the same problem here. My buttons all work, but they are pretty squishy. I generally use my fingernail on the power button when it isn't in a case. Otherwise, it's not a huge problem.
HTC actually fixed my camera button (they even honored the warranty, which was nice considering I'm not the original owner). If it's really driving you nuts, you might send it in. Not sure if the power button issue will be solved though...sounds like that's more of a design flaw.
More on topic, I really wish it had the one physical button (Windows button). The Samsung Omnia 7 has this and looks amazing. Would really make it much easier to wake the phone.
Yep, had the same problem with the first two HD7's I had. The first time it was the camera button and software problem. Replacement they sent me then had the flush power button. Took me 3 times sometimes to get the phone on. Cases I own make it much better, but I don't always have or want my case on my phone. Needless to say, the last one they sent me is perfect and you notice a different kind of "clicky" feel when you get one that's made the way it should be. Send it back, get one that works.
Does anyone else have this problem:
When you're just pressing a bit harder than the usual touch, on the top and bottom Left side bezel, it causes the Screen to ripple (fluid wave effect).
Not even pushing down too hard, just a firmer press than usual. This is easy too see on a darker background, like the default background when the device wakes up and still in locked mode.
Yes I realize it's a LCD screen, plus this Corning glass is thinner, and we're not always pressing it that hard to notice anyway.
But the Right side bezel and other areas are mostly fine,
So I'm wondering if it's a defect on my device or not (the left side being too sensitive)? would this cause further problem in the future? And it could be a concern if I carry the Nexus 7 in the backpack and other items pressing on it.
Other reports on this:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/3125396/google-nexus-7-review
"the display can give a little and cause the LCD to ripple if you really press hard against the screen"
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-forum/191040-screen-distortion.html
I wonder if I try the Fix on the other thread, taking off the cover, but instead, loosen the screws a bit on the left side, would that help?
Thanks!
Hi,
My device has this too. Mostly on the left side & a little less on the right side but hardly any on the top or bottom.
Doesn't matter on the placement too much as sometimes my watch will reset because I bent my hand and it hit and held the middle button causing it restart. Is there something I can fill in the space with to stop the button from pushing down? Maybe a very tiny elastic band?
Or you can wear it on your right hand?
Go to a watch shop, most new watches come with the crown held out with a small plastic disc. Maybe one of these might fit.
re: middle button
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Doesn't matter on the placement too much as sometimes my watch will reset because I bent my hand and it hit and held the middle button causing it restart. Is there something I can fill in the space with to stop the button from pushing down? Maybe a very tiny elastic band?
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You must be double jointed or something, I tried to bend my wrist a half a
dozen times as hard as I could and even slid the watch as close as I could
to my wrist trying to intentionally press the button but I could not do it.
Good luck!
Have a great day!
I have done it twice in a week.
Happens to me all the time, also beware the button is easily broken as I have learnt. The watch fell while putting it on and landed on the button and it no longer works
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Or you can wear it on your right hand?
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Happens to me Several Times a Day,, many times it will reboot,, if i try to attach my watch higher than the wrist bones my shirt or jacket will cover the watch face and i will have to use my other hand to expose the face,, very annoying when all you want to do is Glance at the Watch face for the time or messages that just came through,,, By the Way Switching to my Right Hand Does Solve the Issue of Accidentally Pressing the Button But Very Annoying and Makes it Extremely difficult to press the Buttons with my left hand
This was one of the most frustrating things I ran into with my ZW3, as it happened all the time. However, there is a fairly easy solution. Flip it around so that the buttons are on the opposite side, then run Set Orientation to force the screen to match. Problem solved.
If you are comfy setting up your phone as an ADB bridge, you can upload the APK on the fly. Otherwise, you will need to plug it into a PC and upload over ADB the ordinary way. However, getting the Set Orientation app on the watch is the hardest part of the whole deal.