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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Google if you want to use Chrome as the stock browser, then develop it to be fast and smooth and not an insult, stock AOSP browser would be so much faster.
Turbotab said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Google if you want to use Chrome as the stock browser, then develop to fast and smooth and not an insult, stock AOSP browser would be so much faster.
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Wow, the Optimus G did so much better than the N4 when they are basically the same phone.
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Wow, the Optimus G did so much better than the N4 when they are basically the same phone.
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Nexus 4 use Chrome as stock browser, but they haven't updated it faster enough, especially in terms of performance.
Yeh I'm disappointed by the performance, it's so mediocre and gets owned by the iPhone 5 in everything.
How they hell can a Quad core 1.5ghrz CPU and Adreno 320 get owned so badly? Even by the Optimus G which is the same hardware.
Read the article. Apparently there's some overheating problems with the Nexus 4.
I guess (or at least hopes) that they didn't use the final device...
Anyway, this will be awesome device. The GNex runs every game out there, so there shouldn't be any problem
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Read the article. Apparently there's some overheating problems with the Nexus 4.
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Yeah I read somewhere that the Nexus 4 required throttling which made performance of the 320 worse than the 225... Wonder if it's the glass back making it heat up that much.
itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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[/COLOR]also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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Couldn't agree more, Chrome for Android has been out for 9 month and is still a resource hungry piece of crap, the stock browser is so much faster and smoother.
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itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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The iOS version is using Apple's webview because Apple doesn't allow anything else, meaning it doesn't even come with the accelerated JS that comes in Safari, nor V8.
I personally still prefer the AOSP Browser due to Flash, but i switch to Chrome in some cases because it handles mobile browsing not necessarily the fastest, but atleast better. (Due to sync, better handling of webpages/downloads/downloadsites and a much better handling of the viewing experience)
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itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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I think chrome is fine on my nexus 7.
I agree it is slow as hell on everything else I've tried though :thumbdown:
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I mean im sure they will sort it out eventually, its just annoying when they release a phone with great hardware like the s4 pro, and it scores smiles behind the iphone 5, when it just shouldnt ..
Wow, the thermal throttling is pretty worrying. Wish Google had just stuck with dual core Krait.
Some of the performance issues will hopefully get ironed out with software optimization. But maybe I won't be hitting the pre-order button quite as quickly as I had planned.
I was gonna order on first day now I am gonna wait
The biggest problems in chrome are the lack of smooth scrolling and the hiccups when you load heavy sites like the verge
Chrome is godawful on every device I have used, including my Nexus 7. It's so choppy when scrolling.
I hear there is a big update coming soon improving this though, so Google is probably optimistic about that, which is why they made it default!
i will wait till christmas instead first day, because THAT is really dissappoiting hopefully android 5.0 have Project Fast ^^
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Chrome is godawful on every device I have used, including my Nexus 7. It's so choppy when scrolling.
I hear there is a big update coming soon improving this though, so Google is probably optimistic about that, which is why they made it default!
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Source?
I understand why there is no pre-order now:laugh:
This is the daily workload of the Google engineer in charge of optimizing Chrome on Android 4.2
Wake at 10am, already late, goes back to bed
In the office for 12
12 to 15:00 Lunch
15 to 17:00 GPU tessellation workshop (Playing Battlefield lan party)
17:00 Hrs - Drink pint of Vodka, tests Nexus 4 vs Galaxy Nexus in browser benchmarks, weeps as Galaxy Nexus on 4.1 beats Nexus 4, leaves office to buy iPhone 5
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I think chrome is fine on my nexus 7.
I agree it is slow as hell on everything else I've tried though :thumbdown:
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I bailed on Chrome on my N7 just this week. I was getting frustrated with laggy scrolling, then the last straw was that my ancient SGS with JB AOSP browser was much better!
Admittedly I like to use desktop versions of sites, but come on with a quad core I should be able to do that and with Dolphin browser it can (I haven't even rooted it so can't try AOSP browser).
It's a shame that Google would take this screaming chip and throw a huge Chrome boat anchor on its performance.
I have the two phones I had to get the iPhone as nexus 5 on T-Mobile was out of stock even though I had one since YOU HAVE TO GET A DEVICE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR ETF OFFER so I said why not iPhone
So I bring this icrap with me home with my nexus 5 let's take a few seconds here to discuss pricing msrp
IPhone 5s MSRP : ~$500 baseline
Google nexus 5 MSRP: $350 baseline
What the baseline is its the lowest capacity of storage available.
Build quality I would say that though the iPhone 5c was more the pricy msrp the nexus 5 does stand out with its soft touch tone back and ceramic power and volume rocker buttons
OS iOS vs Android
Having both it seems iOS just doesn't seem right.. The 5c stuffers some lag doing basic tasks where ad nexus 5 is solid performance throughout the entire system.
IOS is simpler on some levels however have you tried putting your own custom ringtone on iOS its a mess check it out
http://m.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-make-ringtones-for-iphone/
The nexus 5 and android simply allows me to download a third party app to trim it then and there and set it or just go on google play long press the song and boom set as ringtone so android is easier on some levels than iOS fair enough give one take one.
Camera : I would say nexus 5 is better but its just preference on the HDR+ which I love.
Battery life; sorry but I give this to apple as the amp hours are smaller on the iPhone than the nexus 5 and it still somehow gets through the day better than the nexus 5 (this doesn't mean you can't improve it though) custom kernals under clocking etc.
Cellular radio performance; sorry giving this to apple hands down the iPhone 5c beats the nexus 5 by almost having no service in room on nexus 5 or 1 bar of LTE on iPhone. Granted the radio is optimized and then google has not yet have a chance to play around.
Overall I'm switching my Sims back and forward the T-Mobile chat reps hate me for switching so much times per day (micro Sim to nano Sim) but overall my head is leaning towards the nexus 5
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I soon as I read that I guessed this would be biased towards the N5. If you're gonna compare at least put them both on a level playing ground.
I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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Or they have never tried anything else and think android is laggy and buggy and reboots all the time. Its all in the iKoolaid
I'm no apple fan but there's no way the nexus 5s camera is better than the iPhone's although I noticed you did qualify what you said with reference to HDR+. I've found that over a period of time the iPhones camera will give consistently better results. It really annoys me but it seems to be the way it is.
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They aren't equal though. It was compared to a 5c.
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I love my iPad air, but I could never go to Apple for all my devices. I love Android too much. Otherwise, I personally feel that both have their pros and cons and it's up to the user to decide what's important to them.
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Or they have never tried anything else and think android is laggy and buggy and reboots all the time. Its all in the iKoolaid
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I always have to laugh when someone tries to make an argument about Android being laggy. Maybe in 2011. It's no longer a valid argument.
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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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Agreed. I just updated my iPad mini to the retina one and was expecting to be blown away by its speed and fluidity. Needless to say I was more than a little disappointed. It's fast, don't get me wrong, but the 2013 N7 feels more responsive to me even though it has only an S4 pro in it. Also, the iPad is quite laggy at times. Another big thing is stability- all the iOS fanboys argue about is how stable iOS is compared to Android, yet my experience has been the exact opposite. With my old 4s, my old 5, and my iPad I get constant app crashes and occasional UI freezes. Far more than on Android. The difference is that Android lets you know if something force closes whereas iOS tries to hide it. I still think iOS and iDevices in general are great products and have their merits, but Android has come a looooong way since its birth and there really is no comparison anymore. Android > iOS in pretty much all fronts.
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I soon as I read that I guessed this would be biased towards the N5. If you're gonna compare at least put them both on a level playing ground.
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Better yet, lets not compare at all. Various threads doing this and they are already too many in numbers
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I love the iOS's vast library of apps and sleek phone/tablet designs, but that's about it. I can not use a 4-inch screen. It literally hurts my eyes. I honestly wish that they made a 6 inch Nexus phone, because I love big screens. And like others have said, Android has come a very long way in terms of stability, support, and smoothness. But most people still think of those crappy Droid phones when they hear Android. Droid was a good name, but ultimately too close to "Android", so now people get them mixed up.
The Apple tax is just too much. I won't pay close to 100% more just for a logo and some aluminum.
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I will say that IOS's supposed speed/smoothness advantage is really overblown. I've spent enough time using iOS 7 on the iPhone 5S to get a good feel for the OS and the phone, and honestly, it feels slow next to my N5. I also don't understand why so many people are content to use a phone with such a tiny screen. Different strokes, I guess.
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IOS runs better on bad hardware, but Android is pretty smooth if you have a mobile/pad with good hardware.
Yeah I'll agree with you on a few things but not all. Price (32gb 5s is $749, 32gb N5 is $399). Build quality on the 5S (only iPhone I had) is great...way better than the Nexus 5. Camera is much better on the N5 with HDR+. Battery life is better on the 5S, no idea why. Apple customer service is miles ahead of LG's CS.
The major reason why I returned the 5S (I've been using android since the beginning of time and wanted to try the dark side out ) is because it was SO SLOW. Everything lagged and stuttered and crashed about 3 times a day. I have now lost all respect for iOS users who say Android crashes and lags. What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?
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No, this used to be right. But with iOS 7 finally having the features that Android has (some), it lags a LOT on a CPU (A7) that supposedly beats the S800.
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What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?.
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Some phone running Gingerbread most likely because that's all people know and it's cemented into their minds.
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Yeah I'll agree with you on a few things but not all. Price (32gb 5s is $749, 32gb N5 is $399). Build quality on the 5S (only iPhone I had) is great...way better than the Nexus 5. Camera is much better on the N5 with HDR+. Battery life is better on the 5S, no idea why. Apple customer service is miles ahead of LG's CS.
The major reason why I returned the 5S (I've been using android since the beginning of time and wanted to try the dark side out ) is because it was SO SLOW. Everything lagged and stuttered and crashed about 3 times a day. I have now lost all respect for iOS users who say Android crashes and lags. What are they comparing it to, some Alcatel phone?
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No, this used to be right. But with iOS 7 finally having the features that Android has (some), it lags a LOT on a CPU (A7) that supposedly beats the S800.
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then i tell everyone, simply don't use IOS 7
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How is that possible with a 5S?
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Even gingerbread didn't lag as much as ios7 on my Captivate. ios7 is truly hopeless.
That's one opinion I guess.
2 Points don't make sense. You can't just give a win away by saying the iPhone wins battery life with less amps and still makes it thru the day. The iPhone is also 4" vs 4.95" screen. <720P screen vs 1080P etc.
The key point is to compare if either phone can get thru the same day doing the same things. Unfortunately out of the box the Nexus 5 does more things. G+, Gmail, GDrive they're all set to stayed sync'd out of the box. The iPhone out of the box does less background data movement.
Radio reception... how can you compare via the bars? They don't mean anything, they're 'feel good' bars. Can you make a call? how fast is the LTE etc... would determine which one wins. From many reviews online and looking at dbi comparisons with devices in hands there's no clear winner.
The Camera, even tho I own an N5 I'd have to give to the iPhone. The color accuracy is better on the iphone, the software stabilization is good enough. Overall it's also easier for the novice to use.
I came from an iPhone to the N5 and was hoping Apple would do something more with iOS7 other than make it look different and work slower. Android for my use has surpassed Apple in functionality. Though I will say for the things iOS does it does it really well and Android can still learn from it. Eg. The calendar the stock one sucks compared to Apple's stock calendar.
That all said the iPhone isn't worth the premium over the $350-$400 for the N5.
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Older versions of iOS run better on bad hardware. I don't think a lot of iPhone 4 owners were thrilled with their iOS 7 update.
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on phones running gingerbread, gingerbread is often the best option... it depends on hardware, jb has more hardware acceleration, but gingerbread is lighter on ram. as smooth as jb can feel on the home screen i think the overall performance os better with gb on many single core phones which is why cm7 was supported while cm9 was already out. still everyone has to have the latest and greatest and often convince themselves the new stuff is better when it's sometimes not true..
as far as the feel, apple has animations that may be smooth but there is a noticeable wait. with ios7 its not only a wait but there is a choppyness that android phones might have shown 2-3 years ago. the "long press" on apple also seems a bit longer. i really don't find apple phones to feel fast as much as they look smooth. just my opinion. don't get me wrong..i don't like the company but the device isn't that bad and as much as i hate the elitism of things that exist elsewhere but apple makes them proprietary and brands them for use on apple products only, they do make new tech easy and unintimidating to people that would never discover these things on a pc or android.
i prefer android but the android "ecosystem" is all over the place, some devices get updates, others don't. feature sets vary, build varies. there are literally thousands of devices and many gave people bad experiences. there are too many choices with android while there are no real choices with apple. you chose a color, storage size and 2 performance levels... the screen size doesn't change. the interface stays much the same. i actually prefer the old androids from a feature set point of view. i can do without a keyboard, actually i hate them, but a track ball make text navigations more precise and the menu button was useful. unfortunately people found it confusing (which says volumes about the intelligence of the general population) but i don't know how i went without 300+ ppi for all those years... a 5" screen is kinda big but with a 16:9 aspect ration a 4.2-4.7" screen would be the butter zone. with 16:10 4"-4.2" is good. apple needs to make a wider phone. and android manufacturers need to stop making so many damn phablets..
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I always have to laugh when someone tries to make an argument about Android being laggy. Maybe in 2011. It's no longer a valid argument.
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I think that people always compare these and say android is laggy because they have the latest iPhone and some cheap $49.99 android phone and are wondering why it's so bad. Obviously if you get a budget android phone it's not gonna be that good.....
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Older versions of iOS run better on bad hardware. I don't think a lot of iPhone 4 owners were thrilled with their iOS 7 update.
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THIS. So true
I just picked up a flawless T-Mobile Note 4 to test out (can't live without root/twrp). I had a Note 3 and used the multi window and pen quite a bit so missed it somewhat. Since last November I have been using a Nexus 6 exclusively. Considering that both phones had the same hardware, I expected similar performance. I know TouchWiz is heavy but I figured with a rom and a kernel it would be at least acceptable. This is not the case.
Unless I am doing something wrong, this phone is unbearably laggy. The first thing I noticed was that scrolling through google maps has stutter no matter what settings I use or what ROM I flash. It's not so choppy that I can't use it, but enough to bug me. This phone is supposed to have the best hardware out there and that's how I expect it to perform. The nexus 6 does not do this. Also I read on another forum that when you flash an aosp rom to the note that specific maps stutter is gone. I don't want to run an aosp rom on my note because it eliminates the features I am looking for in the first place.
Other things such as titanium backup taking almost an hour to restore my apps, whats that all about? I then tried to run a nandroid backup with encryption enabled and that was a huge mistake. The phone almost locked up and took like 2 hours to make a backup. General moving through the UI and multi tasking back and forth is just generally laggy an unnacceptable. It's BAD. It's as if the phone is stuck in power saver mode or something. I tried two roms (pop rocks and tekxodus) and got the same results between both and stock. Also tried emotion kernel and bioshock and flashed them to both roms seperately. All with the same results.
I went into the store to check out a floor model to confirm I don't have a bad unit and they performed the same. While I was there I looked at the s6 and it seemed noticeably better. Maybe this version of TouchWiz really is that heavy and I just don't remember what it was like using the note 3 now that I've had a nexus for so long.
My question is, is this happening to everyone else? Please only respond if you have used a nexus or another phone to compare it to. I'm sure 10 people will be lining up to tell me how fast and smooth their note 4 is and that I'm crazy... but unless you compare it to something else you don't know any different. To me it's a lag fest.
This is NOT a nexus vs note debate. I genuinely would like to solve this issue and keep the Note 4 in anticipation for the Note 5. However I can't live with the way the phone sits right now.
My fiance has a nexus 6, and i find this phone laggy as hell. Flashing any custom rom made it worse. I've done everything i could think of..
Are you saying you find the Nexus or the Note laggy?
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My fiance has a nexus 6, and i find this phone laggy as hell. Flashing any custom rom made it worse. I've done everything i could think of..
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Are you saying you find the Nexus or the Note laggy?
The phone is much snappier on aosp ROMs.
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The phone is much snappier on aosp ROMs.
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I know but then I lose what makes a note a note. Its a shame. Hopefully they can get it ironed out with the Note 5. Maybe I should go poking around in the S6 forums to get some info.
Well its definitely TW, I've tried just about every ROM in the forums for Note 4 and all the TW ROMs have significant lag in scrolling, recents, etc. The aosp ROMs are significantly faster but like you mentioned you lose some of the functionality that makes the Note the Note. There are 3rd party add-ons that can substitute TW stuff pretty well though.
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Well its definitely TW, I've tried just about every ROM in the forums for Note 4 and all the TW ROMs have significant lag in scrolling, recents, etc. The aosp ROMs are significantly faster but like you mentioned you lose some of the functionality that makes the Note the Note. There are 3rd party add-ons that can substitute TW stuff pretty well though.
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So sad. I will give it a few days and if I can't get past it, this thing will be on swappa. If I wanted aosp I would use my nexus 6 with dual forward facing speakers.
Can't compare it to aosp / nexus lol don't get me.wrong love my note but next to aosp /nexus 6 it crawls...if you flash aosp on this thing you realize the potential of the specs. On another note, welcome to the note 4...lol its not snappier than the note 3 can tell you that lol. As for titanium that's titanium issue nothing to do with note 4
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Can't compare it to aosp / nexus lol don't get me.wrong love my note but next to aosp /nexus 6 it crawls...if you flash aosp on this thing you realize the potential of the specs. On another note, welcome to the note 4...lol its not snappier than the note 3 can tell you that lol
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So I was right then! I didn't remember my note 3 being this bad. I don't get it lol What happened.... Maybe they didn't get the drivers right for the GPU and all those pixels are crushing it. Or maybe they just added too much crap to TouchWiz.
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So I was right then! I didn't remember my note 3 being this bad. I don't get it lol What happened.... Maybe they didn't get the drivers right for the GPU and all those pixels are crushing it. Or maybe they just added too much crap to TouchWiz.
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It's touch wiz lol...but there are few batches of note 4 with pure on lag issue...should make sure yours isn't one of those. We had a lot of complaints initially here but they have all been exchange. So look into
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So I was right then! I didn't remember my note 3 being this bad. I don't get it lol What happened.... Maybe they didn't get the drivers right for the GPU and all those pixels are crushing it. Or maybe they just added too much crap to TouchWiz.
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TW had form worse not better. However there is still quite a but of functionality with the spen on CM 12.1 now. The TW lollipop update was a disaster in my opinion. The phone was barely noticeably faster and it crushed the once great battery life.
I finally gave up on it this week. The AOSP ROMs are just so much faster and I get better battery life to.
However if you compare the Note 4 running CM 12 to the nexus 6 I think you will be pleasantly surprised. The note 4 has a few great things going for it comparatively. Better screen, better camera, etc.
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I've never had a better phone and I have a nexus 6.
I've had the note 3 for a year before upgrading to a note 4. When I tested out the 4 at a store, I immediately noticed laggy performance. Because I wanted a newer phone, I went with the 4 anyway. Once I rooted and flashed a rom, it feels like my old note 3, flawless and smooth. I wouldn't recommend The 4 to anyone if they're not going to root and flash a rom. There's no way this phone should be this laggy with its givens pecs. You DEFINITELY notice performance improvements if set the CPU speed to even 1750. If you root and check CPU speeds on a stock TW rom, you'll notice that it lags because it runs at a very low CPU speed. That is exactly what's causing lags and sluggish perormance. I am running Dynamic pop lollipop TW rom and it is amazingly smooth with great mods.
I think maybe you need a factory exchange.
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Seems to be the same as the floor model in the stores. It's not so laggy that the phone is unusable, it just isn't smooth and instantaneous like it should be. The Nexus does it, the S6 seems to do it. The hardware is there, the software is just ruining it.
https://m.reddit.com/r/nexus6/comments/2mlr7d/lag_everywhere_anyone_else_experiencing_this/
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We're computer geeks and testing 4 the big companies
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There's always gonna be something wrong. I still gave my nexus 6 to my mom
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I've had the note 3 for a year before upgrading to a note 4. When I tested out the 4 at a store, I immediately noticed laggy performance. Because I wanted a newer phone, I went with the 4 anyway. Once I rooted and flashed a rom, it feels like my old note 3, flawless and smooth. I wouldn't recommend The 4 to anyone if they're not going to root and flash a rom. There's no way this phone should be this laggy with its givens pecs. You DEFINITELY notice performance improvements if set the CPU speed to even 1750. If you root and check CPU speeds on a stock TW rom, you'll notice that it lags because it runs at a very low CPU speed. That is exactly what's causing lags and sluggish perormance. I am running Dynamic pop lollipop TW rom and it is amazingly smooth with great mods.
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You mean the minimum at?
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There's always gonna be something wrong. I still gave my nexus 6 to my mom
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I can assure you that my phone does not behave like that. It flies. The only time it was semi laggy was when I first got it with 5.0 installed. I quickly unlocked the bootloader and disabled forced encryption because it wasn't implemented right on 5.0. Now I'm on 5.1 encrypted and its just as fast; except boot up is a long time.
I have not given up on the Note 4 just yet. I will be doing some side by side comparisons of the camera and other software functions. The Note still has a chance.
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TW had form worse not better. However there is still quite a but of functionality with the spen on CM 12.1 now. The TW lollipop update was a disaster in my opinion. The phone was barely noticeably faster and it crushed the once great battery life.
I finally gave up on it this week. The AOSP ROMs are just so much faster and I get better battery life to.
However if you compare the Note 4 running CM 12 to the nexus 6 I think you will be pleasantly surprised. The note 4 has a few great things going for it comparatively. Better screen, better camera, etc.
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The whole reason I got the Note is for the spen features and the multi window though.
On Thursday I will be upgrading to the Note 4 and this will be my first Samsung device too disregarding my old nexus S and wanted to know if there is anything I should know in advance before buying this device. Anything is helpful! Thank you all in advance
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I've never had any problems with the Galaxy Note 4, but keep in mind that you will receive Android Updates later compared to the Nexus 5.
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I've never had any problems with the Galaxy Note 4, but keep in mind that you will receive Android Updates later compared to the Nexus 5.
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That's not a big problem since I'll still be keeping the nexus around and enjoy the features and battery life on the note 4 more!
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If you use root , i wouldn't recommend you comming too note 4
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On Thursday I will be upgrading to the Note 4 and this will be my first Samsung device too disregarding my old nexus S and wanted to know if there is anything I should know in advance before buying this device. Anything is helpful! Thank you all in advance
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I went from Nexus S --> Note 2 --> Note 4 Exynos
Each upgrade was excellent. The Note 2 was a great device with much development. Now, Note 4 Exynos is slowly getting there.
I encourage you to make this move.
The N4 screen is really amazing. QHD kicks ass. U didn't say what CPU version you may buy - each variant (Exynos vs Snapdragon) has pros & cons. Read up on the different modem capabilities. MY battery on Lollipop (newest build) gives me 5.5 hours on-screen time, lasts 2 full days.
SD card expansion
Good camera - slow motion, UHD video
xposed now available for deodexed ROMs
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If you use root , i wouldn't recommend you comming too note 4
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What do you mean? I think only versoin not able to root is from a particular American carrier ... your basic research before buying will avoid that piece of shi* ... you're on XDA - users here are more knowledgeable that an average consumer
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I went from Nexus S --> Note 2 --> Note 4 Exynos
Each upgrade was excellent. The Note 2 was a great device with much development. Now, Note 4 Exynos is slowly getting there.
I encourage you to make this move.
The N4 screen is really amazing. QHD kicks ass. U didn't say what CPU version you may buy - each variant (Exynos vs Snapdragon) has pros & cons. Read up on the different modem capabilities. MY battery on Lollipop (newest build) gives me 5.5 hours on-screen time, lasts 2 full days.
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What do you mean? I think only versoin not able to root is from a particular American carrier ... your basic research before buying will avoid that piece of shi* ... you're on XDA - users here are more knowledgeable that an average consumer
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Thanks very much and I will be getting the Sprint version FYI which is the snapdragon version and am very excited for it. Seems this phone has great features and battery life so looks like a selling for me!!
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Welcome to the Note 4 family~
Just go for it , don't hesitate. The first thing i did was to root mine. And with the necessary tweaks it works like a charm. Never had a real problem with root or custom recovery.
Wouldnt want to change it for any other device rigth now!
Just got it today and couldn't be happier! Still running off the stock charge out of the box with about 3 hours of sot even though most of it was setting up the device and downloading back my apps. I had my nexus 5 rooted since day 1 and want to see the performance of this device and battery life before rooting even though rooting has many benefits. Hope to get development support from here for the next 2 years of my contact and thanks for the warm welcome ?
Been on the fence trying to decide which one I want for the past two weeks.
Know the 5 blows away the Note 4 Snapdragon version performance wise but just how much faster and smoother is it compared to the Exynos version?
Can those of you who upgraded share your experience?
Was it really an upgrade?
Did you notice a big jump in performance?
How does the screen compare?
Thanks in advance!!!!
Sorry if this is not the comment you are looking for since I came from a Note 2, but I think it may help. When it comes down to deciding between these two phones (the same choice I had to make recently) it all comes down to the few features that are different and whether or not you NEED root. Removable battery was the biggest one for me but I think that issue will be taken care of by the battery cases once they are out, that said the battery lasts pretty long for 3000mah (I had a 6400mah in my note 2 and this lasts almost as long). If you NEED to root the phone for any reason you may as well go with a Note 4, since you lose Samsung pay capabilities which is one of the stand out features of this phone. If you NEED an IR sensor, again Note 4. If you want a really fast starting camera, want Samsung pay, don't mind using a USB SD card reader for expansion storage, a fingerprint reader that works great, and don't mind the non replaceable battery the Note 5 is a killer phone. It has surpassed all of my expectations coming up from a Note 2 that had Root, a 6400mah battery etc... This will be my first phone without root access, but I feel like I will not be missing too much. Hope this might help in your decision process, but if not just ignore.
Here's a detailed analysis of the two SoC's in the Note 4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review/11
The same architectural reasons Exynos was superior are the answer as to why the Note 5's Exynos chip is superior to the Note 4's. Each generation of new (not revised) chips are a leap above their predessors. S-810 being the exception because while it hit its performance expectations you could fry an egg with it.
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
Samsung Galaxy Note5 Pros
Exquisite design
More compact, with better screen-to-body size ratio
Better performance thanks to the superior hardware
Better battery life
Improved S Pen features
Revamped TouchWiz UI
Wireless fast charging out of the box
Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Pros
microSD card slot
Removable battery
Superior rear camera performance in certain scenes
Slightly better call quality
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
Thanks for the opinion/feedback.
Some people are power users and when you have two of the most powerful sports cars side by side àll of a sudden performance becomes one of the most important deciding factors and not just cargo space or gas mileage if that makes sense.
Knowing the Note 5 is the latest and greatest, I'm not expecting the performance to be night and day vs the already proven note 4.
However I would like to know if the hype really is worth the extra 3-400 more dollars considering everything Samsung left off the table (no SD, no ir, removable battery etc)
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
Keep in mind this is touchwiz Not Apple
P.S most articles & reviews are comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon vs the Note 5 Exynos which really isn't that fair a comparison. (Including the one you linked above)
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
Clash of the Titans!!!
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It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
While using the Note 5, I didn't experience any lag which for Samsung has been a problem with the user experience for years.
Of course the 805 Snapdragon Note 4 sitting next to it had some lag going through the menus, web browsing, email usage videos on Touchwiz etc
Wasn't bad but noticeable from time to time.
Even after rebooting the phone.
Granted both units were stock and the Note 4 was over a year old BUT I've never had a chance to use the Exynos Note 4 which everyone seems to praise for its snappy performance.
So I say this to ask for those of you who have use both the N910C and now the Note 5, how close would you say the Exynos Note 4 user experience is compared to the Note 5 based on what I said above?
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My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
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The SoC alone doesn't determine performance. The Note 5 has uber-fast UFS storage and LPDDR4 RAM including an extra GB of the latter. That and the streamlining and minimization Samsung's done with the UI and their apps contribute to a huge and noticeable difference in performance. It's especially noticeable when working with big I/O sensitive apps like S Note and Gallery. Whether that's worth X$ more is up to you.
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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Feedback on performance is subjective. This article compares the two Exynos chips. If you're looking at the SoC alone it's pretty clear the 7420 is a huge generational leap over 5430/3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
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There is more to user experience than fluid animations in the UI, and trends in the market have proven that out. Apple has done more apeing of Android in recent years than the other way around. For example, they told us that the 3G/4/4s were the perfect size for user experience. Android OEMs proved that optimizing a display for the eyes by making it larger was more important than optimizing it for the thumb. Apple made fun of Android, but since the iPhone 5 their displays have gotten larger. They also had the perfect screen resolution before increasing theirs to match Android starting with the iPhone 6.
In the UI, Apple used to mock widgets as confusing and unnecessary UI clutter before they added something sorta like widgets to iOS. They also had to catch up to Android's better implementation of notifications. And iOS is still famously non-customizable, which keeps lots of people away from it.
So obviously Android is doing a few things right when it comes to user experience, which is why I wrote:
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It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
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I don't need Apple propagandists telling me what perfect user experience is so I'll think their designers and engineers have miraculously produced that for me.
If fluid animations in the UI is what defines good user experience for you, then you should consider the iPhone S6 Plus. I hear it's a great device.
This video is exactly what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZkqT_CItc
In 2015, you don't hear those stories coming from the Apple camp and lets face it you still hear that coming from Android users with newer devices.
To me the Note 5 is the first Android phone I've used that's "lag free" in fluidity.
That may not mean much to you guys but I'd say that's damn good considering the amount of lag complaints re: touchwiz all over the internet.
Which leads me back to my original point...I don't need to "just buy an iphone if I want to avoid lag!"
In my opinion, I think that's an absurd comment considering the power these devices have and the fact I'm on an Android tech forum praising the Note 5 for its speedy performance!!!!
Being very familiar with both OSs & phones and a fan of good tech overall, I say its good to see both camps producing great products.
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
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...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Hmm...that sure is weird indeed...but good news for you I based my point on my own experience, and also on user experience on Dutch Note 5 forum and XDA, as well as several news stories / reviews which also had the RAM management issue. Strange case apparently then of some Note 5's performing well and other don't
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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You're very welcome :good:
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
Here's a video
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Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
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Thanks for the clarification, I have never noticed an issue with apps reloading but probably because it really doesn't make a difference as quick as everything opens. I'll keep an eye on it though.
I also agree with both of you, with the speed of the Note 5 opening apps is no problem really...even when they are closed automatically too quickly. With my former Note 4 this really was an issue. Not so much with the Note 5 :good:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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This link is a good example of what we've been discussing for the past 2 days
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
Awesome!! BIG Thanks to everyone in this thread.
Your feedback and thoughts are exactly what I need to make my decision
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I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
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