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Anandtech Nexus 4 performance preview, Chrome is bad!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Google if you want to use Chrome as the stock browser, then develop it to be fast and smooth and not an insult, stock AOSP browser would be so much faster.

Turbotab said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6425/google-nexus-4-and-nexus-10-review
Google if you want to use Chrome as the stock browser, then develop to fast and smooth and not an insult, stock AOSP browser would be so much faster.
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Wow, the Optimus G did so much better than the N4 when they are basically the same phone.

sh0td0wn said:
Wow, the Optimus G did so much better than the N4 when they are basically the same phone.
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Nexus 4 use Chrome as stock browser, but they haven't updated it faster enough, especially in terms of performance.

Yeh I'm disappointed by the performance, it's so mediocre and gets owned by the iPhone 5 in everything.
How they hell can a Quad core 1.5ghrz CPU and Adreno 320 get owned so badly? Even by the Optimus G which is the same hardware.

Read the article. Apparently there's some overheating problems with the Nexus 4.

I guess (or at least hopes) that they didn't use the final device...
Anyway, this will be awesome device. The GNex runs every game out there, so there shouldn't be any problem

red12355 said:
Read the article. Apparently there's some overheating problems with the Nexus 4.
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Yeah I read somewhere that the Nexus 4 required throttling which made performance of the 320 worse than the 225... Wonder if it's the glass back making it heat up that much.

itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap

italia0101 said:
[/COLOR]also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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Couldn't agree more, Chrome for Android has been out for 9 month and is still a resource hungry piece of crap, the stock browser is so much faster and smoother.

italia0101 said:
itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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The iOS version is using Apple's webview because Apple doesn't allow anything else, meaning it doesn't even come with the accelerated JS that comes in Safari, nor V8.
I personally still prefer the AOSP Browser due to Flash, but i switch to Chrome in some cases because it handles mobile browsing not necessarily the fastest, but atleast better. (Due to sync, better handling of webpages/downloads/downloadsites and a much better handling of the viewing experience)

italia0101 said:
itll be fine, someone showed the when anandtech reviews the inital gs2, it came below the tegra 2, now it smashes it... drivers and release models,
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also Chrome does suck, it sucks on everything except the PC, iv got it on my Nexus , My ipod touch 5G, and my laptop, and the laptop is the only one i can use it on... even on ios its crap
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I think chrome is fine on my nexus 7.
I agree it is slow as hell on everything else I've tried though :thumbdown:
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I mean im sure they will sort it out eventually, its just annoying when they release a phone with great hardware like the s4 pro, and it scores smiles behind the iphone 5, when it just shouldnt ..

Wow, the thermal throttling is pretty worrying. Wish Google had just stuck with dual core Krait.
Some of the performance issues will hopefully get ironed out with software optimization. But maybe I won't be hitting the pre-order button quite as quickly as I had planned.

I was gonna order on first day now I am gonna wait

The biggest problems in chrome are the lack of smooth scrolling and the hiccups when you load heavy sites like the verge

Chrome is godawful on every device I have used, including my Nexus 7. It's so choppy when scrolling.
I hear there is a big update coming soon improving this though, so Google is probably optimistic about that, which is why they made it default!

i will wait till christmas instead first day, because THAT is really dissappoiting hopefully android 5.0 have Project Fast ^^

jaju123 said:
Chrome is godawful on every device I have used, including my Nexus 7. It's so choppy when scrolling.
I hear there is a big update coming soon improving this though, so Google is probably optimistic about that, which is why they made it default!
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Source?

I understand why there is no pre-order now:laugh:
This is the daily workload of the Google engineer in charge of optimizing Chrome on Android 4.2
Wake at 10am, already late, goes back to bed
In the office for 12
12 to 15:00 Lunch
15 to 17:00 GPU tessellation workshop (Playing Battlefield lan party)
17:00 Hrs - Drink pint of Vodka, tests Nexus 4 vs Galaxy Nexus in browser benchmarks, weeps as Galaxy Nexus on 4.1 beats Nexus 4, leaves office to buy iPhone 5

drpepe said:
I think chrome is fine on my nexus 7.
I agree it is slow as hell on everything else I've tried though :thumbdown:
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I bailed on Chrome on my N7 just this week. I was getting frustrated with laggy scrolling, then the last straw was that my ancient SGS with JB AOSP browser was much better!
Admittedly I like to use desktop versions of sites, but come on with a quad core I should be able to do that and with Dolphin browser it can (I haven't even rooted it so can't try AOSP browser).
It's a shame that Google would take this screaming chip and throw a huge Chrome boat anchor on its performance.

[Q] Exchanging SII with NOTE __ Worth it?

Hi there!
Have been using SII for about a year and a half now.
I don't know how but recently i have got tired of this 4 inchy and
really want a bigger screen.
And I'm getting an offer to exchange it with galaxy note. On paper galaxy note seems
ted powerful and with a better display as well.
But what I'm really concerned about is the real life difference in performance. I have heard from some
friends that NOTE is actually on a bit slower side than SII.
Would love to hear from guys who have used both the phones and please suggest should I go for the exchange.
Thanks.

walkermoon said:
Hi there!
Have been using SII for about a year and a half now.
I don't know how but recently i have got tired of this 4 inchy and
really want a bigger screen.
And I'm getting an offer to exchange it with galaxy note. On paper galaxy note seems
ted powerful and with a better display as well.
But what I'm really concerned about is the real life difference in performance. I have heard from some
friends that NOTE is actually on a bit slower side than SII.
Would love to hear from guys who have used both the phones and please suggest should I go for the exchange.
Thanks.
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It's barely noticeable slower. Specially in screens transitions and scrolling through lists that have images.
Maybe because of the higher resolution of the screen.
But in my opinion totally worth the upgrade
The bigger screen makes watching videos and playing games an amazing experience

Total worth the upgrade mate.
Go ahead and do it. Good luck :thumbup:
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Thats what I'm really concerned about. The reslotion of the galaxy note is almost 70 to 80 percent more than galaxy SII.
Theoretically that should mean galaxy note require around 1.8 to 2 Ghz dual core processor if I'm right to perform as snappier as galaxy SII.
And that's why there's a lag in UI and general use I guess.
I really like the s pen and the screen size.
But I do feel HD resolution is too much of an asking for a dual core.
Please correct and guide me if I'm wrong.
Waiting for your comments eagerly.

As far as I know, the pixels are "moved around" by the GPU , not the CPU.
So the processor has nothing to do with the lag.

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Thats what I'm really concerned about. The reslotion of the galaxy note is almost 70 to 80 percent more than galaxy SII.
Theoretically that should mean galaxy note require around 1.8 to 2 Ghz dual core processor if I'm right to perform as snappier as galaxy SII.
And that's why there's a lag in UI and general use I guess.
I really like the s pen and the screen size.
But I do feel HD resolution is too much of an asking for a dual core.
Please correct and guide me if I'm wrong.
Waiting for your comments eagerly.
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The pixels are rendered by the GPU, not the CPU, but yes, they are also the same, and it's the reason for the difference.
It can get pretty smooth tough. Don't worry about performance. You won't have any trouble

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sherbibv said:
As far as I know, the pixels are "moved around" by the GPU , not the CPU.
So the processor has nothing to do with the lag.
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Thanks guys
Getting it tommorow
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Thanks to all.
Got Note finally. And after a month of use I don't think I would look back. Cheers.

Yes, the note is slower than s2. I also can't use android 4.1.2 as it's extremely laggy (this may happen only with my note).
The phones screen size makes it impossible to comfortably use this phone with one hand, so You mostly have to use both of Your hands.
If You're aiming for a bigger screen or for the spen's precision I would definitely recommend You this phone.
I must say I wouldn't go back to s2,as the spen is very important for me.
What do You want from this phone?
Nvm. Haven't seen the last post
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jakuburban said:
Yes, the note is slower than s2. I also can't use android 4.1.2 as it's extremely laggy (this may happen only with my note).
The phones screen size makes it impossible to comfortably use this phone with one hand, so You mostly have to use both of Your hands.
If You're aiming for a bigger screen or for the spen's precision I would definitely recommend You this phone.
I must say I wouldn't go back to s2,as the spen is very important for me.
What do You want from this phone?
Nvm. Haven't seen the last post
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I really like the spen. But the lag problem is an issue with me too. I flashed indian version first and a few days back
I flashed the Uk xxlt9 firmware(obviously aftera full wipe). But I dont see much difference in those 2 versions. I guess jelly bean
is really too much for this phone(atleast stock one). I tried cyanogenmod too but I really missed the neat built in features of the spen so I
moved back to stock jelly bean. But its really annoying when a 200 dollar phone beats it in benchmarks and general use. Or may be I'm
expecting too much off this device.
After a month or so of use.. This is what I feel-
Stock jelly bean- Battery life is good(as long as u keep the screen off )
Typing and general UI is way too laggy.
Touchwiz is beautiful ( I know am the only one but I really like the design and transitions)
Spen is nicely integrated and snote is nicely designed. I use it a lot personally (only after it opens a decade to open)
Cyanogenmod 10.3 nightlies- Fluid and really usable. Sleek.
Flat and boring untill you dont use a theme.
Camera not at par with stock jb.
Huh.. A lot of writing i guess. These were my observations. But what I really want is stock experience with cyanogenmod like speed.
Is there anyone who's in same sort of situation like me.

walkermoon said:
I really like the spen. But the lag problem is an issue with me too. I flashed indian version first and a few days back
I flashed the Uk xxlt9 firmware(obviously aftera full wipe). But I dont see much difference in those 2 versions. I guess jelly bean
is really too much for this phone(atleast stock one). I tried cyanogenmod too but I really missed the neat built in features of the spen so I
moved back to stock jelly bean. But its really annoying when a 200 dollar phone beats it in benchmarks and general use. Or may be I'm
expecting too much off this device.
After a month or so of use.. This is what I feel-
Stock jelly bean- Battery life is good(as long as u keep the screen off )
Typing and general UI is way too laggy.
Touchwiz is beautiful ( I know am the only one but I really like the design and transitions)
Spen is nicely integrated and snote is nicely designed. I use it a lot personally (only after it opens a decade to open)
Cyanogenmod 10.3 nightlies- Fluid and really usable. Sleek.
Flat and boring untill you dont use a theme.
Camera not at par with stock jb.
Huh.. A lot of writing i guess. These were my observations. But what I really want is stock experience with cyanogenmod like speed.
Is there anyone who's in same sort of situation like me.
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Finally someone that has the same problem with JB.
Man, I usually have 120-150 apps installed (I have to have them) and any JB ROM is UNUSABLE for me. Even stock JB laggs, after restoring my apps it's....agh If the phone wasn't so expensive I would throw it against the wall. Why did JB work on SGS2 like a charm and on the Note it sucks so much?
That's why I had to use ICS. It doesn't have the Spen hovering & scrolling features (which I really miss ) , but it's fast and almost lag free.
However CM10.2 is the fastest I've used so far. I'm really astonished, it's a beta ROM and it's way better than official one (WTF?).
I bought this phone for the Spen and that's why I'm using it a lot. I only hope that the Spen won't start to fell out of the phone as it's getting easier to take it out.
I think I will never switch from the note series, as the spen is veeery important for me (well, maybe when there will be some other phone with thin stylus )

jakuburban said:
Finally someone that has the same problem with JB.
Man, I usually have 120-150 apps installed (I have to have them) and any JB ROM is UNUSABLE for me. Even stock JB laggs, after restoring my apps it's....agh If the phone wasn't so expensive I would throw it against the wall. Why did JB work on SGS2 like a charm and on the Note it sucks so much?
That's why I had to use ICS. It doesn't have the Spen hovering & scrolling features (which I really miss ) , but it's fast and almost lag free.
However CM10.2 is the fastest I've used so far. I'm really astonished, it's a beta ROM and it's way better than official one (WTF?).
I bought this phone for the Spen and that's why I'm using it a lot. I only hope that the Spen won't start to fell out of the phone as it's getting easier to take it out.
I think I will never switch from the note series, as the spen is veeery important for me (well, maybe when there will be some other phone with thin stylus )
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Gimme cyanogenmod with spen features.. I would grab it anyday.

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Gimme cyanogenmod with spen features.. I would grab it anyday.
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Yeah, give me too hehe.
I would like to see all those hovering etc. stuff. Maybe it will be possible if official 4.3 comes out to note 2 and then it will be ported to our note.
But I don't think so

And the throwing part.. I feel exactly like you.. Lost brothers? Lol

I dont see 4.3 coming to this lovely device anytime soon. But the main point here shouldn't be just running after the latest android version. It should be making the current firmware as best as it can be. How come GB and ICS be faster than JB, no one knows except samsung or god. Lol

walkermoon said:
I dont see 4.3 coming to this lovely device anytime soon. But the main point here shouldn't be just running after the latest android version. It should be making the current firmware as best as it can be. How come GB and ICS be faster than JB, no one knows except samsung or god. Lol
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Ok, the older android versions don't require so good specs, but there shouldn't be such a big difference between ics and jb. I hope the notes 2 official android 4.3 will be ported to our old note 1.
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snapdragon 805 support.....

hi guys, what you think about the snapdragon version now that the nexus 6 has it...i mean is it better to get the s805 over the exynos....because the nexus is like the android benchmark phone ( not performance but support)...so maybe apps developers will support this version more....what you think...

We will have to wait and see the first Snapdragon 805 phone is the Galaxy Note 4 and so far on AT&T and T-Mobile, it's a beast. If your a diehard mobile gamer, there will be lag on GTA: San Andreas on Max Graphics. However other games like modern combat 5 play awesome.

no i am not a gamer...i just want the apps to run smoothly...even facebook stutter on my S4...the apps are not optimized that good....

We lucked out these phones are similarly speced and feel that we will benefit from it.
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yeah, there is a problem, now there is a reason to buy each one of the versions, the exynos is better right now, but in the future the s805 will get better support.....

Lol let the CM come. Just a few weeks(even days or hours ). At that point Sd805 will definitely be a winner with all the mods and add-ons. It has always been that way

maksharma231 said:
Lol let the CM come. Just a few weeks(even days or hours ). At that point Sd805 will definitely be a winner with all the mods and add-ons. It has always been that way
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If you gonna use cm it means you dont really need note 4 features just go for nexus 6 it will be better with custom roms anyway.
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hajyihia said:
no i am not a gamer...i just want the apps to run smoothly...even facebook stutter on my S4...the apps are not optimized that good....
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The dont really optimize for a soc. Like some of the games always lagged on quallcomm devices. And scrolling stutter always happen art runtime gonna fix that probably or i always fixed it with xuimod or a better governer.

tmac31 said:
If you gonna use cm it means you dont really need note 4 features just go for nexus 6 it will be better with custom roms anyway.
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The dont really optimize for a soc. Like some of the games always lagged on quallcomm devices. And scrolling stutter always happen art runtime gonna fix that probably or i always fixed it with xuimod or a better governer.
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Chrome and Facebook stutters often for me too. Running ART on 805. Does Dalvik help? Any solutions?

tmac31 said:
If you gonna use cm it means you dont really need note 4 features just go for nexus 6 it will be better with custom roms anyway.
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Agreed. If I were you, I'd return the note ASAP and wait just a couple more weeks for that sexy nexy. You'll save yourself a lot of time and hassle waiting for stable updates, gain access to TONS of mods, and save a little green along the way.

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I'd keep the Note if I were you.
The Note 4 Snapdragon probably won't be as good in terms of support as the Nexus 6, but it will be more than good enough I'd guess, based on the volume of support the Note 3 Snapdragon variant got. Plus there's some indication that this Nexus 6, owing to its higher price and phablet size might not get the popularity that the previous generation of Nexus phones got. It'll still be better support wise, but the price advantage the Nexus had is mostly gone.
Hardware wise, I don't think the AMOLED on the Nexus will be as good as the AMOLED on this phone (will wait for reviews). We should wait for reviews I think. My guess though is that the camera, screen, and a few other features will likely be better on the Note, plus it has an S-Pen. The other issue is a lack of a removable battery and expandable storage, so if you are like me and keep a lot of FLAC, you'll have to buy the higher end version (eroding the Nexus price advantage even more).
Keep the Note 4, wait for the Nexus 6 reviews, and go to a store to play around with a Nexus after it comes out.

(Rant) Laggy

Okay so I'm not one to complain but I just got the note 4 about 5 hours ago and damn does this thing stutter, Like opening apps scrolling through the home screens and stuff is fine but no apps and I mean none run smooth, they all have the micro scrolling stutter and even after switching to art they still do it. And I'm coming from a nexus 4 so this phone shouldn't feel like a high end phone yet perform like a a low end phone I have not rooted but I am deciding to just Duke it out and wait for roms I already received the update that's supposed to help the lag and no difference I mean I kind of new what I was getting my self into when I got it considering it is a Samsung phone but still. Hoping for hyper drive or at least a debloated stock rom soon

I have no lag at all. Have you tried rebooting it and maybe a factory reset?

Even in power saving its pretty smooth i m an old nexus 4-5 user too i wouldnt expect this smoothness from a touchwiz phone

Yes the first thing I did was factory reset then I disabled a bunch of Samsung and Google Apps I didn't use and yea I'm giving it a week if nothing improves I'm swapping it out for another one

Is this snapdragon or exynos ? No lag here aswell (910c)

OsSkates1996 said:
Yes the first thing I did was factory reset then I disabled a bunch of Samsung and Google Apps I didn't use and yea I'm giving it a week if nothing improves I'm swapping it out for another one
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If you're planning to root, don't just yet. It could be a hardware fault somewhere, because as you said, it still stutters after a factory reset. Once you root, you lose all warranty, even if it turns out to be harware fault.
If you can try visit a store with Note 4 demo units, compare them to yours.

I already tried some days a couple of Note 4. 1 abit lag, stutter lag, but another much smoother. Pls return it and get another one

Run some benchmarks before you return it - if it's hardware reason it should result in lower benchamrk results.

I was messing around with my brother's Note 4 (Snapdragon) and noticed lag as well. Which is funny because I was exploring my friend's S5 and there was absolutely 100% no lag. My brother had a live wallpaper and a bunch of apps running in the background, so I assume that could be the reason. However, there shouldn't be any lag what-so-ever at this point. WTF is going on?
Maybe I'll wait for the Note 5. Lol.

I use exynos version and get no lag at all
My ram free never over 400mb but it still very smooth
Maybe you should try factory reset and make sure dont change your device to art
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acsbg said:
Is this snapdragon or exynos ? No lag here aswell (910c)
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where did you order it from? I'm looking for that version...

lgass said:
where did you order it from? I'm looking for that version...
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Its the version sold here in Bulgaria, im not aware of any online shops that will ship it internationally though...

OsSkates1996 said:
Okay so I'm not one to complain but I just got the note 4 about 5 hours ago and damn does this thing stutter, Like opening apps scrolling through the home screens and stuff is fine but no apps and I mean none run smooth, they all have the micro scrolling stutter and even after switching to art they still do it. And I'm coming from a nexus 4 so this phone shouldn't feel like a high end phone yet perform like a a low end phone I have not rooted but I am deciding to just Duke it out and wait for roms I already received the update that's supposed to help the lag and no difference I mean I kind of new what I was getting my self into when I got it considering it is a Samsung phone but still. Hoping for hyper drive or at least a debloated stock rom soon
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I dont thing this is true story.....if its true then you have faulty note 4

acsbg said:
Its the version sold here in Bulgaria, im not aware of any online shops that will ship it internationally though...
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ok! thanks!

I have the t mobile snapdragon version and yea i will be testing it extensively for a week before I do anything because I mean even some of the display models at best buy were being smoother than mine haha but don't get me wrong guys I love this phone it is amazing I just can't take the stuttering and about the s5 yes that's weird my dad has the s5 and I was comparing it to my note and noticed no lag at all compared to my note :/

Or could it just be that the display is so clear that even the littlest things are noticeable? Lol

Mine is really laggy (snapdragon UK version) it takes 2-3 seconds to load up the open apps menu, 2-3 seconds to then open an app such as facebook, google, menu, gallery etc, I don't play many games but one I use quite often which the phone should smash through is Words with friends, it takes awhile to load and you can literally see it lagging as you move the tiles from one section to another.
You can see it lagging as you scroll through facebook and twitter also.

Got a SA Vodacom Snapdragon one and no lag.

Not really lag, but more like device throttling. Check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-sprint/help/camera-video-lagging-t2913392

Mine is N910C (Exynos Edition).
No lag as you mention.
I even test with my friend iPhone 6 Plus, 99% apps opening in Note 4 is ahead faster than iPhone 6 Plus.
The only slight delay is Recent Apps and also sometimes they is a little slight jittering animation.
Overall this Note 4 is pretty smooth. I rate it second smoother animation android after HTC One M8 but for speed, it is the most speedy android phone ever for the moment.

Touchwiz on lollipop is garbage

I mean reallyyyy it just lags lags and feels that someon is strangling those octa-cores i had a note 3 before and i already can tell you this phone is a downgrade in terms of software. The only thing that stands in this phone is the gorgeous display. I could have said lollipop on note 4 is garbage but thats what it is. Please share your experience and let samsumg know that iphone 4 is still getting updates faster than samsungs latest flagship
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Lollipop is definitely faster than Kitkat for me.
It's also faster than the Note 3.
You are correct about the slow updates though.

Same thoughts as Nuu...besides the slow updates mine is smooth as on 5.01 =)
No complaints as all...cept maybe faster Multitask button....

same for me too lag in multitasking button, and laggy call screen and some bugs. without these its just great for me fast and reliable and good on battery too. performance is on par with my s6 edge and note 4 is way better in multitasking and ram management.

sirwanesmail said:
I mean reallyyyy it just lags lags and feels that someon is strangling those octa-cores i had a note 3 before and i already can tell you this phone is a downgrade in terms of software. The only thing that stands in this phone is the gorgeous display. I could have said lollipop on note 4 is garbage but thats what it is. Please share your experience and let samsumg know that iphone 4 is still getting updates faster than samsungs latest flagship
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Agreed, but that's why CM12 exists: blazing fast and quick on the updates (currently on lollipop 5.1.1). Other option would be to sell the Note and buy the new LG G4 for example

You do know that you could just install a 3rd Party Launcher onto your Note 4? You don't have to stick with touchwiz.

gekkehenkie11 said:
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If you don't care about the camera or s-pen, CM12 would be an option. The camera thing has always stopped me from using CM on my Note 4 and my S3. I nicely debloated TW based rom and a different launcher like Nova is what I always did. YMMV.

Stock touch wiz is pretty crappie I've not had the lag like you described but just not a huge touch wiz fan.
you can get a sped up launcher in the apps section which helps quite a bit and makes it as snappy as I can be. But as above you best bet is a 3rd party launcher.
Do some debloating or use Simplrom which is already heavily slimmed down And has very good speed.
and we have 12.1 in the pipeline which should be good also.
Don't write ya note 4 off yet

pappcam said:
If you don't care about the camera or s-pen, CM12 would be an option. The camera thing has always stopped me from using CM on my Note 4 and my S3. I nicely debloated TW based rom and a different launcher like Nova is what I always did. YMMV.
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The samsung touchwiz cam is quite a nice *free* app and I understand some people might miss it. And it's definitely better than the CM stock camera app, I don't like that one too much neither, it's just too basic. But luckily there are some quite good 3rd party cam apps out there nowadays. My previous favourite was FV-5 camera, but I'm now really hooked on Snap Camera. You can download a trial in the playstore, see if you like it. Picture quality in TW using a 3rd party cam is always the same as in CM, so that's good way to judge if you like it.
And about S-pen, that works great in CM12, out of the box, including hovering. Sure, out of the box it's a bit less integrated into the system, but there are some really nice apps for it if you want some more integrated s-pen functionality, mimicking pretty much Touchwiz, including a similar s-pen popup menu and for example cropped screenshots. See the video here for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/app-app-samsung-devices-provided-stylus-t3000448 With this app you pretty much have the same S-pen functionality as Touchwiz.

Yes i can do that but the skin and the thing that kills the cpu is touchwiz which is in setting + dialer + snote + etc and all those cannot be changed by another launcher
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Its wierd but ive been using nova for years. But stock tw launcher is faster than nova in 5.0 i noticed that on my friends phone. He had stock and i had nova but app opening response etc was faster on tw there is basically delay on nova. So i rolled back to tw
And i think slowdown problems could be about apps. Cuz i had wierd slowdowns on 1st update but boc3 totally fixed all problems for me like i said my problems are multitasking button delay(which exist on my s6 too i dont expect a fix for it), call screen delay and gpu bug other these its really a great update for me.

https://youtu.be/8Gk8WoVjxiA ... put at 5:15 .. then watch .. if TouchWiz is garbage what the pure android is ?

willowpc said:
https://youtu.be/8Gk8WoVjxiA ... put at 5:15 .. then watch .. if TouchWiz is garbage what the pure android is ?
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The Nexus probably has encryption enabled, which slows the device down. And is this an Exynos ? That device seems to respond faster in Touchwiz than the snapdragon.

gekkehenkie11 said:
The Nexus probably has encryption enabled, which slows the device down. And is this an Exynos ? That device seems to respond faster in Touchwiz than the snapdragon.
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Yes, it's the Exynos version, and if we active the Knox continues protection, doesn't change nothing, some users even reported that activing this feature improves the overall performance.

not seeing the issues you are seeing.
Stock Samsung Lollipop is better than Stock Samsung KitKat for sure.

senectus said:
not seeing the issues you are seeing.
Stock Samsung Lollipop is better than Stock Samsung KitKat for sure.
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Love posts like this. You did not see it, so naturally did not happen
Touchwiz is laggy in places and this is not something that even surprises anyone anymore. Use a nexus 6 for a few days and come back to note 4, yea the lag can get to you at times. However its fine as an overall package and that's all that matters.

jayesh said:
Love posts like this. You did not see it, so naturally did not happen
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just not seeing it on my phone.
This is useful information which means there are *conditions* for the problem to show itself.
If the guy is really interested in knowing why there is a discrepancy in experiences he will ask me for more details in my setup.

Is that even a conversation samsung itself knows that TW is laggy but the whole point of this just look at Sense UI on the old m7 i mean even its 3 years old but it feels faster than note 4 which has that fancy octa core processors. But you see the point is that it doesnt matter how many cores you have under the hood. Optimization is the key . if i have buggati veyron with flat tyres i would be outrun by a golf. Let me say again the whole point of this is to let samsung hear our plea and respond
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sirwanesmail said:
Is that even a conversation samsung itself knows that TW is laggy but the whole point of this just look at Sense UI on the old m7 i mean even its 3 years old but it feels faster than note 4 which has that fancy octa core processors. But you see the point is that it doesnt matter how many cores you have under the hood. Optimization is the key . if i have buggati veyron with flat tyres i would be outrun by a golf. Let me say again the whole point of this is to let samsung hear our plea and respond
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It would be nice if they even gave us the choice of an AOSP rom with their camera and some TW functions. With a custom kernel and TW apps frozen, TW is fine and doesn't lag too much but to do this you need to root and invalidate your warranty.

OD2 build for 910G is blazing fast!! the way kitkat is meant to be .. the previous version boc6 was not up to the mark. Probably 910F and other users will feel the difference once u get OD series roms