Howdy,
Droped my phone from 8" onto my tiled floor and shattered the glass. Wussed out doing a replacement myself. $100 later, I'm sitting with a replacement from Motorola. Lo and Behold it comes with an original release firmware. I never did any rooting when I was on 4.2.2 (upgraded too fast) so I'm curious if I can somehow take advantage of this mishap.
Current USCC release is 4.4.2 161.44.27 from 2/2014. 161.44.27. It's vulnerable to pie but it's not very useful as a perm root. The only thing I *really* needed was to be able to kill the tethering checker because it kept stepping on my bluetooth earbud.
Shipped replacement has 4.2.2 139.12.57.ghost_usc.usc.en.us from 08/2013.
Any tips on how to take advantage of this? Can I get a better root, roms, etc and still take upgrades?
thnx
The only thing you can do is either update to 4.4 and stay there or unlock the bootloader.
If I unlock the bootloader, in 4.2.2 I can put custom roms on right? Once unlocked you can't go to 4.4 tho I take it (unless it's in a custom rom)
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I have recently purchased a Nexus One and i must say it is an amazing phone, but also very expensive! I just spent £370 on buying this brand new phone. Which brings me onto my main point, should i risk rooting or not?
I am confident with the rooting proccess and have rooted my hero etc etc, but i was happy to do so because i could also reinstall an official RUU incase something went wrong. However as we know with the N1 its not that simple. I want to be able to use features such as trackball to wake, and using the lights for notifications, being able to install market enabler and apps like autokiller and also being able to theme my nexus - but to do small things like this i still need to root my phone and void my warrenty.
So ive decided to ask you guys on wether you think it is worth my rooting my nexus one, and voiding my warrenty, or making do with no true customisational potential?
(Also silently hopeing someone finds a way to lock the bootloader :'( )
thanks
Just root it already. No regrets. I asked the same question.
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But what if anything goes wrong with the phone over the next year? Just seems unecassary that i have to loose my warrenty to be able to make small customisations to the phone
I didn't root my phone in the first 5-6 weeks or so then once I had seen there were no obvious hardware faults I rooted it. It might be safe to take a similar approach.
Is totally up to you.. 2 things:
If you are affraid of bricking your phone due to flashing, don't be. Rule of thumb is always do Nandroid. And flash all you want. The exceptions are Radio's which pose higer risks of bricking.
That leaves hardware issues. If your screen cracks, battery explodes or button cease to function, HTC might switch your phone regardless if you have unlocked boot-loader or not. But im not sure how HTC customer service are in UK. People have done it in US and HTC didn't even raised an eyebrow to this.
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like nDrg says, is to roadtest your phone for some weeks, see if no dust crops up under the screen, or other things starts to defect. Errors on new phones usually reveal themselves in the first weeks.
rooted just after 1 day i receive it lol and Froyo inside my nexus one since Yesterday Yes From France ^^
Hmm
Ok thanks for your feedback. I was having a think and i decided to wait untill froyo comes officially to UK, and if thats not good enough to keep me happy then i will root. Thanks
Read someone just got there design moto x from motorola last week and it still had 4.4 on it, can someone else confirm they are still coming from Motorola with 4.4? I am sending my standard 16 gig moto x i got from verizon last week back, it had 4.4.2 on it. Verizons upgrade website sends you to motos website to design your own moto x if you don't want the standard black/black 16 gig version. Was about to pull the trigger and order a 32 gig design my own from moto but would like to hear from others who have recently to confirm which version of kitkat is coming on them.
Thanks
Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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r_diaz13 said:
Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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Thanks, did you root yours? I believe you can stop the OTA notifications with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup
Not sure I've never used it. Read about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/moto-x-verizon-dev-edition-twrp-boot-t2709189
got mine 2 days ago and it came with 4.4
I got mine here in Brazil yesterday and came with 4.4.2 already!
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Read someone just got there design moto x from motorola last week and it still had 4.4 on it, can someone else confirm they are still coming from Motorola with 4.4? I am sending my standard 16 gig moto x i got from verizon last week back, it had 4.4.2 on it. Verizons upgrade website sends you to motos website to design your own moto x if you don't want the standard black/black 16 gig version. Was about to pull the trigger and order a 32 gig design my own from moto but would like to hear from others who have recently to confirm which version of kitkat is coming on them.
Thanks
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Why do you want 4.4? If its that important for you to be able to root and disable write protection that you would return a phone because it had 4.4.2, then consider getting the Developer Edition X for Verizon.
I realize there will be cost differences if you are "renewing" your contract, or using the subsidized pricing, compared to having to pay full price for the Dev Edition, but with the Retail and Moto Maker X and its locked, you'll be stuck on 4.4 from now on. As your actions indicate you are aware 4.4.2 Breaks the current root/WPDisable processes, so you have to understand the likelihood of Root/WPDisable for 4.4.2 and beyond at this point are slim to none on a locked bootloader.
While JCASE has a root exploit to use on 4.4.2, he said due to his job and other commitments, he wont release it until the fall. Who knows what ROM version will be out for the X by then (4.4.3 or above maybe?) and will it patch that exploit? And that still leaves the question of Disabling Write Protection, without which root isn't nearly as useful (many would say worthless because any changes you make while rooted would be lost the next time you power off/on). This "late" in the game, with Moto already saying they are working on an X replacement, will a WPDisable method come to 4.4.2 and beyond?
I understand rooting, disabling write protection on 4.4, and then using Safestrap to run 4.4.2 is still an option. But its not one I've really followed, so I don't know how stable it is compared to just running 4.4.2 by itself. And I don't know the possibilities of running future roms this way (with 4.4 as a base and something higher than 4.4.2 via SS).
Your actions (going through the hassle of returning a phone because it had 4.4.2 already installed and possibly paying a restock fee, then trying to find out if MotoMaker phones still ship with 4.4) would indicate that Rooting and Disabling write protection is extremely important. So I would say Developer Edition is your best option. You can always unlock the bootloader, which disables write protection, and root it, and doing so doesn't void the warranty (at least the hardware warranty)
Oh, and if you don't like the woven white back with black front on the Dev Edition, consider Dbrand skins or a case.
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r_diaz13 said:
Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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doitinthedirt said:
Thanks, did you root yours? I believe you can stop the OTA notifications with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup
Not sure I've never used it. Read about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/moto-x-verizon-dev-edition-twrp-boot-t2709189
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To Freeze the apps (and stop the OTA notification, you need to be rooted.
The 3C_OTA.APK resides in /system/app or /system/priv-app. It can be renamed using a root capable file explorer.
If you are not rooted, you can't stop the OTA or the OTA prompt.
4.4.2
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Thanks, mine should be here in a couple days ordered the black front black back blue accents with the 32 gig and told them it better not have 4.4.2
And I've spent the past 1-2 hours reading around 50-ish threads and several hundred posts, and while I'm sure I already know the answer to this question I'm still going to ask it outright.
The specifics:
AT&T XT1058 pure stock Moto X running Android KitKat 4.4.4 as up to date as possible.
Is it rooted? NO
Is the bootloader unlocked? NO
Now, based on those two facts, and after reading all about SunShine (which is pretty awesome so thanks for that one, jcase and the crew that developed it), it seems if I want root then my only potential option at this point in time is "The Chinese Guy" if he's still in business to get a proper bootloader unlock which of course opens this device up entirely to whatever I might care to do.
Honestly the only reasons I care about root access would be for Titanium Backup (since I did purchase that in the past so it's like if I can't make full use of the app itself (because it requires root access to really do everything it's capable of doing) the money was more or less just given away for nothing, and a few other apps that require root level privilege (ES File Explorer root access, a few Wi-Fi tools, that's about it).
Of course, having the fully unlocked bootloader would let me play around with ROMs, kernels, and whatever I damned well please.
So the actual question I hinted at with the beginning of this post is:
For the moment, am I correct in the belief that my only option at all at this time meaning today and into the immediate foreseeable future to do anything with this device is "The Chinese Guy" ... if I want to be able to do more things with the device?
This is my second Moto X, the first one was the trial offer I took advantage of for a penny and I did enjoy the device while I had it, so when I got the chance to get one for free earlier today (traded a laptop for it that was also given to me) I jumped at it.
I understand that with 4.4.4 on it I can't roll back to any previous version, sadly, and that since SunShine requires root to even test the device (the temp root thing, ain't happening) that's a dead end leaving "The Chinese Guy" again as the only potential.
Just looking for a confirmation, that's all.
Thanks...
Yes, on the XT1058 from ATT with 4.4.4 on it, that is the latest rom/update, you can't downgrade (without risk of bricking the phone) and the China Middleman is the only hope of unlocking your bootloader and/or rooting. (to be clear, I mean the China Middleman doesn't actually root your phone, but once bootloader unlocked you will be able to root)
And yes, having an unlocked bootloader is the only way to flash any rom that isn't the stock Moto rom for the ATT XT1058.
And yes, Sunshine wont work since you can't even temp root 4.4.4.
I am not aware of any new root processes for 4.4.4 with locked bootloader coming, or ways to make Sunshine work on 4.4.4. If something newer is coming, it either wasn't announced yet, or I missed the announcement.
That being said, since it sounds like you got this phone used, rather than new.. who knows what the original owner did to it.. If it was someone who followed these boards, there is a SLIGHT chance they were trying to be tricky, and upgraded only parts of your phone to 4.4.4. Boot into FastbootAp/Bootloader mode, and check the version (second line from the top). If it is 30.B7, you're fully on 4.4.4 and you are stuck. If your bootloader is not 30.B7, then you might have a chance to downgrade your rom safely, and then use sunshine (post the version if its not 30.B7)
Thanks for the info, and yes the bootloader is 30.B7 (2014-06-23). Oh well... it is most definitely used but still in excellent condition (just some cosmetic scrapes and scuffs on the rubberized corners of the back cover). It's a good phone, a solid one, so I'll hang on to it for the time being, just need to get the carrier unlocked for use with T-Mobile but that'll be after the first of November.
It's a Moto X for free, I suppose I really shouldn't complain.
Just hit up jcase on IRC, who makes Sunshine. He's currently working on supporting XT1058 with 4.4.4 -- I have the same one, with the same bootloader. Wait a bit. Looks like he usually publishes stuff every few months. I think we may have an early Christmas gift. Well, it will cost us $25, though.
If he's able to do it then I'll look into it at that time, I may just offload this for a profit, not really sure at the moment. The camera is really depressing, was just outside taking some images here in downtown Las Vegas because we have this huge music festival this weekend (www.lifeisbeautiful.com) and the picture quality is just utterly abysmal - I tried the latest updated Motorola Camera app, Focal, Google Camera, and several others and they all just can't make the actual physical camera do anything decent. Exposures are always wrong, focus is seemingly permanently soft, there's no sharpness at all to most anything regardless of the lighting conditions, etc.
I could ramble on forever but, again it was free so I guess I'll shut up.
I had no idea that I posted something illegal my bad
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I used the Chinese guy to unlock, and haven't looked back. I still run Stock w/ Root, and was worth the $45 to not worry about it anymore. If your gonna keep it, get the unlock code.
Well that Chinese middleman isn't responding to contacts by anyone at the moment so that's a dead end and this one was built on 11-11-2013 so he'd probably not be able to get me one anyway. I just got the carrier unlock code last night and used it without issues. I put it on craigslist along with the Motorola Skip I had and never used, maybe someone will want it. It's still a great phone, but for me, the lack of being able to root it or most anything else makes it basically not something I really need these days. I have a "dumbphone" that works fine and has done so for many years.
Thanks for the info and suggestions, peeps...
If I were to right now get the Samsung Galaxy S5 AT&T ( http://www.att.com/cellphones/samsung/galaxy-s-5.html#sku=sku7120234 ), is it known whether it will have a rootable version or not?
If I am unable to root the phone and keep it rooted, I'll most likely have to go with another phone. (Which would be a shame.)
I've read up some on the situation, and it seems as long as it is version 4.4.4 I would be fine.
And I would be able to update while keeping root if I follow this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att...w-to-update-to-g900aof2-5-0-keeproot-t3149146
So, I suppose the real question is how sure is it that you'll get the 4.4.4 (rootable) version of android?
And are there any downsides to doing so right now?
(I have a rooted phone now: An HTC First. The failed "Facebook" phone. It was very easy to root and receives no updates, so it's been hassle free, but it'd be nice to finally update.)
I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
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Thanks for the reply. Going to look at other options, then.
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How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
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Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
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If root is a deal breaker I suggest not getting the GS5 unless you are positive that you can get one with KitKat out of the box.
That being said...I have an unrootable one on AT&T that I got free for extending my contract; and I found that their 5.0 build for this phone is probably the most stable phone I've ever had on AT&T ever. Besides the battery and back cover nag alerts and not being able to save Amazon video to the SD card...I have no other complaints re: not having root. But even when I had devices that were rooted...they were stock-rooted. As always...YMMV.
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Probably switching to AT&T from Verizon this week and I'll probably be getting the S6.
I'd love to root it but I'd also like to keep Samsung Pay and the fingerprint reader intact if possible.
From what I understand this is only possible if the phone is still on 5.0.2, is that correct?
If so, does anyone know if I'll still get a new in the box phone with 5.0.2 if I walk into AT&T today?
Just want to make sure I don't run into the same mistake with my last phone of getting it too far into its life cycle and not being able to unlock/root.
Thanks!
More specifically you will need to walk out with a device that is on a software version no later than oce2. Of3 and of4 are both unroot able yet both are still 5.0.2. As the of3 update came out close to 5 or 6 months ago you'd be hard pressed to find and s6 on a version before of3 or of4 that hasn't already been sold. Long story short you most likely will not be able to root the phone at all. If you want root you need to buy a g920f or g920i stay away from the g920a. And as for Samsung pay your pretty much out of luck.. Samsung pay requires android 5.1.1 every version of the s6 has anti root feature in the 5.1.1 update so in order to root you'll need a custom kernel will means you will have to trip knox to root... So basically you can't have what you want on the s6 because of knox is tripped Samsung pay will not work.. Your going to have to compromise or your going to have a different phone.. I personally have the g920a from att and I cannot reccomend it at all.. I am still stuck on 5.0.2 just so I can keep riot while everyone else is up to date and running rxposed.. There is little hope for this phone to achieve root on 5.1.1 as it would require an unlocked bootloader which is not something that will conceivably happen.
Really appreciate the info. Probably going to get the S6 and see what happens. I went over a year without root on my M7 so I think I'll survive. If I can't stand it I'll have a couple weeks to exchange it. Sigh, stupid luck downs.
So I ended up with a G920A with OF4. I have not applied any OS updates at this point but it seems I am out of luck for rooting, is that correct? If so I think I can live with it. Between mobile hotspot being included now and a combination of Tasker and other apps I think I'll survive. I just have to make sure I'm good with TouchWiz.