Hello folks,
we recently used a batch of Chromecast devices for different tasks. So right now I am able to investigate some of them more closely.
What I found out was that some of the devices bare the mark "Made in China", these are the most of them. But, there are also very few which show the message "Assembled in China".
What is better? Why? Why these two different notices? Any ideas?
Thanks in advance and happy investigating!
Cheers
Means something like "made in Somalia/North Korea" and later assembled(snap the case over the pcb and put it in the box) in China, this is supposed to add a touch of quality, but a poor one.
Performing the above mentioned two production steps, you qualify in Germany even for the real "Made in Germany" label.
Yep...All that really indicates is some parts were made outside of China but then put together in China.
As for Chinese products yes or no....
Good luck finding something that is NOT made or assembled in China these days! LOL
My UK H2G2-42 model is an "Assembled in China".
@lecorbusier: So, does this make a difference at all? Isn't a "poor touch of quality" better than nothing at all? I just don't know.
@Asphyx: Well, so you don't know where the rest comes from. Strange and a little bit unsatisfying...
The first PSP was Made in Japan, btw. And also Samsung manufactures a lot in Korea, especially HDD!
@theronkinator: Mine too! That's why I asked. I recognized most of our devices where "Made in China", so I just chose one of the few "Assembled in China" for myself.
Kind regards
Simply this label implies, that all relevant production steps took place in a country with a "lesser" reputation than China, most likely Cambodia, the "Workbench of the World's (China)" workbench, where you have to spend a month's salary to afford a Chromecast. Chinese work less than a week for a CC. That is the problem.
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@lecorbusier: So, does this make a difference at all? Isn't a "poor touch of quality" better than nothing at all? I just don't know.
@Asphyx: Well, so you don't know where the rest comes from. Strange and a little bit unsatisfying...
The first PSP was Made in Japan, btw. And also Samsung manufactures a lot in Korea, especially HDD!
@theronkinator: Mine too! That's why I asked. I recognized most of our devices where "Made in China", so I just chose one of the few "Assembled in China" for myself.
Kind regards
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Could be from anywhere really Taiwan, Korea, even japan...
Much of it depends on where Marvel makes it's parts since it is the key component of the unit.
Depending on price and availability it can change depending on when that particular run is made at the factory.
@Asphyx: Yes, but "Made in Japan" and/or "Made in Korea" are quality labels for me. Google is from USA, Chromecast should be "Made in USA". But that's none of my business, unfortunately.
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@Asphyx: Yes, but "Made in Japan" and/or "Made in Korea" are quality labels for me. Google is from USA, Chromecast should be "Made in USA". But that's none of my business, unfortunately.
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While I agree with the sentiment the truth is American Labor has priced itself out of the Manufacturing business unless it is a high end product that costs a lot of money and only we can make.
A lot of where it is made has to do also with the natural resources of that particular country.
All of our little technological toys are highly dependent on Rare Earth Metals (emphasis on the rare) and China is the worlds main supplier of those commodities.
You know there was a time I can remember (yes I'm an old bastard) where the Made in Japan and Made in Korea wasn't any more quality than what we think Made in China is now! LOL
The only worry about Made in China is it sometimes can be a cheap knockoff of the real product and not made to the precise specs and quality of parts of the original.
In the seventies, when japanes products had achieved world standard, and consumer electronics makers in Europe and Usa were dying, ALL of the cheap, crappy stuff seemed to come from Hongkong. Hard to believe, as tiny as it is, and that's were the actual manufacturing took place.
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In the seventies, when japanes products had achieved world standard, and consumer electronics makers in Europe and Usa were dying, ALL of the cheap, crappy stuff seemed to come from Hongkong. Hard to believe, as tiny as it is, and that's were the actual manufacturing took place.
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Yep I was referring to the 60's where Japan was concerned.
... and Korean stuff was inferior until the 90s.
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My sister will be going to Singapore with work in the near future and I have asked her to look into buying a Diver's Watch, probably a Citizen.
Are there many fakes that she should aviod? How expensive are watches in Singapore, someone told me that if a watch is 100UKP then it will be 100SGD which is about one sixth of the price. Are the real thing really that much cheaper? I was thinking of buying something like a Citizen MA9034-21E if that helps.
The last time I check, the S$ and £ is at a 3:1 rate, and such £100 and S$100 is a 1/3 difference. Or you've just went to a bad money changer?
There are certainly fakes goods to be avoided. But the rules of thumb is, if it is too cheap, probably it is fake (NOTE: does not apply the other way round - i.e. if it is expensive, doesn't mean it is not fake).
ANYWAY, since the watch you are looking for has the function, it would be difficult to find a fake to it (i.e. you can't fake a function). Check at the citizen website and look at the instruction manual, and be familiarized with the function (i.e. what happen when what is pressed.. etc).
My advise is, avoid Orchard Road (especially Lucky Plaza) area where thats a main tourist attraction area where you tend to get hammered with high price (usually real goods though). Check the price you get in UK to put a cap on the price you are willing to pay in Singapore.
There is a place, a quiet place off tourist's list, is a nice place that I would recommend, sells lots of Citizen watches. I can't remmeber its name, I think it starts with a B, it is opposite (across the road) SimLim Square (i.e. Singapore largest IT building).
Anyway, check on eBay as well, there are tons of Singapore sellers on eBay sellings watches as well.. compare the price there.
Thanks for that chap, can anyone else offer some additional info? Current prices etc. would be most welcome, but I understand this would likely mean people going out of their way to help.
Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
I would not buy any batteries there. I've had a couple bad ones in the past. So now I make sure I only stick w/ the OEM batteries.
Watch out for fake stuff
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Watch out for fake stuff
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Its almost all fake xD they have fake htc phones and iphones etc.
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Good luck... If y have to buy, but from big stores like department stores, though price will only be more expensive. It is because big stores always afraid attracts attention from govt for misbehaving, if govt officials inspect heir goods, warehouse and dig out something else, they are doomed...
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Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
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Cheaper to get from US. Check out 360buy.com (in chinese) and/or amazon.com.cn in comparison with newegg.com and you'll understand why.
However, buying counterfeit fashion stuff is good.
My girlfriend is working in Beijing, so I have second-hand experience.
China - HK
jazzjeppe said:
Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
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Everything you will find in china (without the big serious markets) is fake, they all will tell you its OEM but it's not. If you should buy anything from China it will be clothes, it's amazing how cheap it is.....If you want good electronic devices you have to go to HongKong - Beacuse there is the electronic devices all tax-free.
But I was thinking on order one tablet from china but then is the question is it "rootable" ? does it depends on the manufacture of the CPU ? or what is it really ? sorry for the noob Q.
//ekkis
Oh yeah, just reminded me of the news of an external HDD being spoofed.
Ekkis said:
Everything you will find in china (without the big serious markets) is fake, they all will tell you its OEM but it's not. If you should buy anything from China it will be clothes, it's amazing how cheap it is.....If you want good electronic devices you have to go to HongKong - Beacuse there is the electronic devices all tax-free.
But I was thinking on order one tablet from china but then is the question is it "rootable" ? does it depends on the manufacture of the CPU ? or what is it really ? sorry for the noob Q.
//ekkis
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oh yeea Hong Kong that place... shopping paradise for electronics and gadgets...
lol I used to live there before i moved to Aust but still going there every christmas for holidays and shopping, cant get enough
and china... I wouldnt trust those stores not even the bigger department stores. unless you know people there that works in that sort of department and knows their way on how to buy legit gadgets and hardwares
There's a lot of cheap electronics you can buy there. I'm not talking about the usual fakes. I'm talking about legit companies that make mp3 players, cellphones, etc without trying to rip off others. They're cheap and low quality but the price is amazing.
Clothes are definitely a safe bet. You can't beat the price.
would love it if some one could pm me a link to a site in hong kong for rough prices on phones/camaras
many thanks stu
cupidstu said:
would love it if some one could pm me a link to a site in hong kong for rough prices on phones/camaras
many thanks stu
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price.com.hk
just try with google
but possible to buy great and high quality cheap tech !
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recall of "made in china" ATK branded battery in galaxy tab (affect non-korean too?)
About two months ago my tab died. I'm a foreigner in korea so I went down to my local samsung electronics service centre (sec.co.kr). After talking shop with the service engineer he opened up that there was a silent recall on all made in china "ATK" prefixed model number batteries which I had. The battery was tossed in the trash can showing there is NO returns / credit (RA) arrangement with the chinese manufacturing contractor or the relationship had gone sour, but this is just speculation on my part.
The replacement battery is a korean model that seems to have diminished capacity after the wear-in period (like others have reported). It is well known that samsung, hyundai and other korean conglomerates sell second class products to its own countryfolk whilst only supplying top notch components on export orders. Let's test this theory. How many of you who dared to open your galaxy tab export models have chinese made batteries?
I kept a log of battery performance under my new and former batteries.
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you'll be surprise that CHINA now the only country that made the original stuff and not to forgot the FACT that its also the #1 country who made the fake stuff
1- Cheap workers ...
2- ELECTRONIC Stuff are cheap
3- Intelligent Country
China now rolling the world by ELEC
Lets all hail China the land of fake brand knockoffs. They probably mixed up the genuine and fake batches with their OEM. Halarious! Go to china and try to buy a genuine electronic replacement battery or flash memory. Odds are you are buying a ghost shift fake. If china is so good why don't they design their own products like the koreans do. Their "dragon" mips knockoff cpu is a slow start.
Seriously guys. Its big news when a major handset is affected by a faulty component, or at least it was for the iphone 4. Now to assertain if this recall is for korean inferior product for domestic consumption with easy access to service facilities or their chinese cost cutting measure didn't pay dividends globally. Anyone got ATK branded batteries in overseas tabs? That's the issue here not how the chinese socialists peg their yuan to the us dollar to undermine the us manufacturing base (aka war machine) to overtake america as a super power. Reminds me of australia selling steal and iron ore to the japanese before it came back as bombs on darwin.
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Im surprised there is no feedback. Someone PM rotohammer and ask him in the tabs he opened up to get JTAG working did he see a made in China ATK model battery. I used to work tec support for the now defunct daewoo electronics and it is no secret in the industry that OEMs will not own up to a product recall publically if they can help it and clean up the mess through their affiliated (or in house in Korea) service centres.
In case you dont yet get my drift this could be as big a scandal as the iphone 4 ariel defect that samsung capitalized on in the UK giving free galaxy S es to unhappy iphone users willing to blog their complaints online.
Does your tab have a defective battery? After 3-9 months your phone could refuse to start from a cold boot if defective and have very limited capacity compared to quality lithium-ion batteries. Samsung got screwed by their chinese subcontractor and don't want to clean up the mess if they can help it by keeping the userbase in the dark until they are all out of warranty.
That's why some of you need to check your battery model - especially early adopters.
Luke
Aussie expat exiled in South Korea
Google "burnpassport" for the youtube vid to see why.
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Im surprised there is no feedback. Someone PM rotohammer and ask him in the tabs he opened up to get JTAG working did he see a made in China ATK model battery. I used to work tec support for the now defunct daewoo electronics and it is no secret in the industry that OEMs will not own up to a product recall publically if they can help it and clean up the mess through their affiliated (or in house in Korea) service centres.
In case you dont yet get my drift this could be as big a scandal as the iphone 4 ariel defect that samsung capitalized on in the UK giving free galaxy S es to unhappy iphone users willing to blog their complaints online.
Does your tab have a defective battery? After 3-9 months your phone could refuse to start from a cold boot if defective and have very limited capacity compared to quality lithium-ion batteries. Samsung got screwed by their chinese subcontractor and don't want to clean up the mess if they can help it by keeping the userbase in the dark until they are all out of warranty.
That's why some of you need to check your battery model - especially early adopters.
Luke
Aussie expat exiled in South Korea
Google "burnpassport" for the youtube vid to see why.
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WTF wrong now ? ? ? why you asking someone to ask someone for u ?
u got the F>>< pm function use it by yourself ... and thank you for stopping PM me ....... .
K0sh: U don't speaky no englishe.
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K0sh: U don't speaky no englishe.
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Of course Kosh is not englishman-read his signature....
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Of course Kosh is not englishman-read his signature....
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Yeah lets just ignore him. The issue here is with all galaxy tab "7 models. The issue is not chinese people (like kosh) but the products they make more inexpensive through their lower wages and low exchange rate pegged to the dollar that was even too cost compeditive for samsung to refuse. I guess samsung has to competete with the iphone that's made under contact by Foxconn who's workers are committing suacide in droves (including R&D staff) according to local news reports. Yes I once lived in china.
Surey a few xda developers have seen a galaxy tab with it's back cover removed! Does the battery's model number have "ATK" marked on it and the infamous words "MADE IN CHINA"? If so I'm telling you your battery is faulty and there is a recall on it in Korea
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My new battery isn't much better. Running on stock rom for a month with minimal applications I noticed the standby time was reducing.... I have to carry a battery pack in my backpack these days to get by.
Bump.... Has anyone oversees had a battery death or heard of defective chinese batteries stuck in overseas models?
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my xperia z1(C9603) is made in china, is my quality compromised?
Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
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Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
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first off dude, i ain't racist. im a chinese myself. what im worry is that china has a crazy amount of population, which their goverment is not capable of controlling. many news pop up from china like making fake milk from palm oil etc. the people there are very poor, so they would do anything to cut cost, which is what im worried about, plus the z1 aint cheap.
assembled in china isn't the same as made in china
just think of all the products in the world, how many are actually faulty?
if you think of it percentages wise, it is pretty damn impressive.
furballz said:
Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
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assembled in china isn't the same as made in china
just think of all the products in the world, how many are actually faulty?
if you think of it percentages wise, it is pretty damn impressive.
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oh i see, but i though made in china = assembled in china, what's the difference anyway?
國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
in an easier explanation.
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts. (but they do make some of the parts)
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
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國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts.
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
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awesome explanation.
My Xperia S and ZL were assembled in Brazil, my Z1 was assembled in China, I can't see any build quality differences.
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To be honest at this point I would trust the Chinese more than anyone else, they have been building our phones, tvs, laptops, tablets, etc etc for many many years now, they probably have way more experience than any other country...
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Assembled in China and Made in China are completely two different things, if is Assembled only have to be wrote on the package or device "Assembled in China" if it's made is "Made in China" so it's clear until know? I will like if will be Assembled in China that mean was only assembled and the main components was made in other country like Japan, Germany exc... If is Made in China, as all we know the Raw Material to make this devices its chip so I am a bit worry about quality. Sony is a Japanese Company and the best what you will like to have is Made in Japan like Made in Germany.
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Assembled in China and Made in China are completely two different things, if is Assembled only have to be wrote on the package or device "Assembled in China" if it's made is "Made in China" so it's clear until know? I will like if will be Assembled in China that mean was only assembled and the main components was made in other country like Japan, Germany exc... If is Made in China, as all we know the Raw Material to make this devices its chip so I am a bit worry about quality. Sony is a Japanese Company and the best what you will like to have is Made in Japan like Made in Germany.
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but my z1 box writes made in china dude.
I remember back in the 60's, if you got something that said "made in Japan", you would think right off the bat, JUNK.
Now look at it...Japanese cars are some of the highest quality vehicles out there.
As with anything, given time, most manufacturers, will improve quality, for the most part.
etismyname said:
國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
in an easier explanation.
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts. (but they do make some of the parts)
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
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Stop panicking, my Z1 box also says made in China and I live in Canada.
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but my z1 box writes made in china dude.
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..so is not assembled only...
Looks like it's getting worse for our beloved phone.
UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.
BBC news story link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
If this ends up being the case, it is by far the most damaging result for Huawei of the Orange Wotsit's recent China-bashing.
I hope he's not allowed to get away with it!
(actually, I hope he does something which prevents the manufacture or assembly of electronics in China - once Apple et al start shouting at him about that, I'm sure we'll see a huge climbdown)
It will be funny to see how would it be if China suspends it's delivery of raw materials for electronics to USA, considering they are the biggest supplier.
war incoming...
Welcome to the 51st state.....The silver lining is he will step on the toes of one of his masters, sooner rather than later, then everything will right itself.
Lol
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It will be funny to see how would it be if China suspends it's delivery of raw materials for electronics to USA, considering they are the biggest supplier.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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But it would take years for the Americans to build the technology and infrastructure to start using their own resources. Just like it will take years for the Chinese to develop the technology to build processors without ARM. The American tech industry would be doomed for a long time without Chinese resources and manufacturing.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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If China pulled the plug, the tech giants share prices would nosedive overnight, Apple and Google are heavily invested in the Chinese manufacturing of their products, as it is cheap labour - cheap labour means bigger profits for shareholders, bringing this kind of manufacturing process back to America is extremely costly and time consuming. As I said before, he'll step on the toes of his masters and this will be reversed in the blink of an eye - although I feel the damage to Huawei is going to be permanent in terms of consumer confidence, so on that score the oompa loompa has won.