my xperia z1(C9603) is made in china, is my quality compromised?
Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
furballz said:
Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
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first off dude, i ain't racist. im a chinese myself. what im worry is that china has a crazy amount of population, which their goverment is not capable of controlling. many news pop up from china like making fake milk from palm oil etc. the people there are very poor, so they would do anything to cut cost, which is what im worried about, plus the z1 aint cheap.
assembled in china isn't the same as made in china
just think of all the products in the world, how many are actually faulty?
if you think of it percentages wise, it is pretty damn impressive.
furballz said:
Almost everything on the planet, especially electronic gadgets, are all made in China. Being made in china != lousy quality. Stop being racist and stereotypical
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etismyname said:
assembled in china isn't the same as made in china
just think of all the products in the world, how many are actually faulty?
if you think of it percentages wise, it is pretty damn impressive.
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oh i see, but i though made in china = assembled in china, what's the difference anyway?
國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
in an easier explanation.
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts. (but they do make some of the parts)
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
etismyname said:
國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts.
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
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awesome explanation.
My Xperia S and ZL were assembled in Brazil, my Z1 was assembled in China, I can't see any build quality differences.
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To be honest at this point I would trust the Chinese more than anyone else, they have been building our phones, tvs, laptops, tablets, etc etc for many many years now, they probably have way more experience than any other country...
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Assembled in China and Made in China are completely two different things, if is Assembled only have to be wrote on the package or device "Assembled in China" if it's made is "Made in China" so it's clear until know? I will like if will be Assembled in China that mean was only assembled and the main components was made in other country like Japan, Germany exc... If is Made in China, as all we know the Raw Material to make this devices its chip so I am a bit worry about quality. Sony is a Japanese Company and the best what you will like to have is Made in Japan like Made in Germany.
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Assembled in China and Made in China are completely two different things, if is Assembled only have to be wrote on the package or device "Assembled in China" if it's made is "Made in China" so it's clear until know? I will like if will be Assembled in China that mean was only assembled and the main components was made in other country like Japan, Germany exc... If is Made in China, as all we know the Raw Material to make this devices its chip so I am a bit worry about quality. Sony is a Japanese Company and the best what you will like to have is Made in Japan like Made in Germany.
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but my z1 box writes made in china dude.
I remember back in the 60's, if you got something that said "made in Japan", you would think right off the bat, JUNK.
Now look at it...Japanese cars are some of the highest quality vehicles out there.
As with anything, given time, most manufacturers, will improve quality, for the most part.
etismyname said:
國產 =/= 中國製造 (the wordings would mean exactly the same thing but represents different thing)
in an easier explanation.
They aren't the manufacturing factory, meaning they didn't make the monitor and high tech electronic parts. (but they do make some of the parts)
What's really "國產" would be something like clothing, food etc.
Most of the high tech products are only items get collected in China, then assembled in a factory because of the cheaper labour cost.
http://financesonline.com/how-iphone-is-made/
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Stop panicking, my Z1 box also says made in China and I live in Canada.
Hate Android Lag said:
but my z1 box writes made in china dude.
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..so is not assembled only...
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Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
I would not buy any batteries there. I've had a couple bad ones in the past. So now I make sure I only stick w/ the OEM batteries.
Watch out for fake stuff
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coldest~~~ said:
Watch out for fake stuff
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Its almost all fake xD they have fake htc phones and iphones etc.
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Good luck... If y have to buy, but from big stores like department stores, though price will only be more expensive. It is because big stores always afraid attracts attention from govt for misbehaving, if govt officials inspect heir goods, warehouse and dig out something else, they are doomed...
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Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
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Cheaper to get from US. Check out 360buy.com (in chinese) and/or amazon.com.cn in comparison with newegg.com and you'll understand why.
However, buying counterfeit fashion stuff is good.
My girlfriend is working in Beijing, so I have second-hand experience.
China - HK
jazzjeppe said:
Heya,
I am travelling to Beijing, China, this summer and I was thinking if anyone would have any ideas on what tech and gadgets would be a good deal to buy while there? Also, would it be a bad idea to buy electronics in China, will I run in to problems using them in Europe (such as software and compatiblity and such?
I am thinking mostly about phones and tablets (and cameras) - smart ones that can be hacked and flashed with a western ROM (or can they?)
Any thoughts on this matter?
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Everything you will find in china (without the big serious markets) is fake, they all will tell you its OEM but it's not. If you should buy anything from China it will be clothes, it's amazing how cheap it is.....If you want good electronic devices you have to go to HongKong - Beacuse there is the electronic devices all tax-free.
But I was thinking on order one tablet from china but then is the question is it "rootable" ? does it depends on the manufacture of the CPU ? or what is it really ? sorry for the noob Q.
//ekkis
Oh yeah, just reminded me of the news of an external HDD being spoofed.
Ekkis said:
Everything you will find in china (without the big serious markets) is fake, they all will tell you its OEM but it's not. If you should buy anything from China it will be clothes, it's amazing how cheap it is.....If you want good electronic devices you have to go to HongKong - Beacuse there is the electronic devices all tax-free.
But I was thinking on order one tablet from china but then is the question is it "rootable" ? does it depends on the manufacture of the CPU ? or what is it really ? sorry for the noob Q.
//ekkis
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oh yeea Hong Kong that place... shopping paradise for electronics and gadgets...
lol I used to live there before i moved to Aust but still going there every christmas for holidays and shopping, cant get enough
and china... I wouldnt trust those stores not even the bigger department stores. unless you know people there that works in that sort of department and knows their way on how to buy legit gadgets and hardwares
There's a lot of cheap electronics you can buy there. I'm not talking about the usual fakes. I'm talking about legit companies that make mp3 players, cellphones, etc without trying to rip off others. They're cheap and low quality but the price is amazing.
Clothes are definitely a safe bet. You can't beat the price.
would love it if some one could pm me a link to a site in hong kong for rough prices on phones/camaras
many thanks stu
cupidstu said:
would love it if some one could pm me a link to a site in hong kong for rough prices on phones/camaras
many thanks stu
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price.com.hk
just try with google
but possible to buy great and high quality cheap tech !
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Hello folks,
we recently used a batch of Chromecast devices for different tasks. So right now I am able to investigate some of them more closely.
What I found out was that some of the devices bare the mark "Made in China", these are the most of them. But, there are also very few which show the message "Assembled in China".
What is better? Why? Why these two different notices? Any ideas?
Thanks in advance and happy investigating!
Cheers
Means something like "made in Somalia/North Korea" and later assembled(snap the case over the pcb and put it in the box) in China, this is supposed to add a touch of quality, but a poor one.
Performing the above mentioned two production steps, you qualify in Germany even for the real "Made in Germany" label.
Yep...All that really indicates is some parts were made outside of China but then put together in China.
As for Chinese products yes or no....
Good luck finding something that is NOT made or assembled in China these days! LOL
My UK H2G2-42 model is an "Assembled in China".
@lecorbusier: So, does this make a difference at all? Isn't a "poor touch of quality" better than nothing at all? I just don't know.
@Asphyx: Well, so you don't know where the rest comes from. Strange and a little bit unsatisfying...
The first PSP was Made in Japan, btw. And also Samsung manufactures a lot in Korea, especially HDD!
@theronkinator: Mine too! That's why I asked. I recognized most of our devices where "Made in China", so I just chose one of the few "Assembled in China" for myself.
Kind regards
Simply this label implies, that all relevant production steps took place in a country with a "lesser" reputation than China, most likely Cambodia, the "Workbench of the World's (China)" workbench, where you have to spend a month's salary to afford a Chromecast. Chinese work less than a week for a CC. That is the problem.
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@lecorbusier: So, does this make a difference at all? Isn't a "poor touch of quality" better than nothing at all? I just don't know.
@Asphyx: Well, so you don't know where the rest comes from. Strange and a little bit unsatisfying...
The first PSP was Made in Japan, btw. And also Samsung manufactures a lot in Korea, especially HDD!
@theronkinator: Mine too! That's why I asked. I recognized most of our devices where "Made in China", so I just chose one of the few "Assembled in China" for myself.
Kind regards
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Could be from anywhere really Taiwan, Korea, even japan...
Much of it depends on where Marvel makes it's parts since it is the key component of the unit.
Depending on price and availability it can change depending on when that particular run is made at the factory.
@Asphyx: Yes, but "Made in Japan" and/or "Made in Korea" are quality labels for me. Google is from USA, Chromecast should be "Made in USA". But that's none of my business, unfortunately.
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@Asphyx: Yes, but "Made in Japan" and/or "Made in Korea" are quality labels for me. Google is from USA, Chromecast should be "Made in USA". But that's none of my business, unfortunately.
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While I agree with the sentiment the truth is American Labor has priced itself out of the Manufacturing business unless it is a high end product that costs a lot of money and only we can make.
A lot of where it is made has to do also with the natural resources of that particular country.
All of our little technological toys are highly dependent on Rare Earth Metals (emphasis on the rare) and China is the worlds main supplier of those commodities.
You know there was a time I can remember (yes I'm an old bastard) where the Made in Japan and Made in Korea wasn't any more quality than what we think Made in China is now! LOL
The only worry about Made in China is it sometimes can be a cheap knockoff of the real product and not made to the precise specs and quality of parts of the original.
In the seventies, when japanes products had achieved world standard, and consumer electronics makers in Europe and Usa were dying, ALL of the cheap, crappy stuff seemed to come from Hongkong. Hard to believe, as tiny as it is, and that's were the actual manufacturing took place.
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In the seventies, when japanes products had achieved world standard, and consumer electronics makers in Europe and Usa were dying, ALL of the cheap, crappy stuff seemed to come from Hongkong. Hard to believe, as tiny as it is, and that's were the actual manufacturing took place.
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Yep I was referring to the 60's where Japan was concerned.
... and Korean stuff was inferior until the 90s.
Title says it all. What do you think? Should I get rid of my Mate 10? What information is being taken? Are there ways to mitigate eavesdropping or security breaches?
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
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Title says it all. What do you think? Should I get rid of my Mate 10? What information is being taken? Are there ways to mitigate eavesdropping or security breaches?
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
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They have any proves, i don't see any?! Personally, i don't care what they say, is like thiefs shouting on thiefs! [emoji16]
Pretoriano80 said:
They have any proves, i don't see any?! Personally, i don't care what they say, is like thiefs shouting on thiefs! [emoji16]
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Trump told them so it must be true :angel:
It's U.S protectionism .. Huawei handsets and infrastructure equipment are everywhere (except in the U.S.), and to think the company would risk losing it all by spying, really? Why hasn't there been any proof of these allegations? It truly is BS and leaves the American market relegated to Apple, Samsung, and remaining few. And the hypocrisy, where are iPhones manufactured .. hint, it's not in the U.S.
enrique71 said:
And the hypocrisy, where are iPhones manufactured .. hint, it's not in the U.S
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What?! You mean they're not actually made in California?!?!?!
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What?! You mean they're not actually made in California?!?!?!
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Yeah, in Califoxxnia! [emoji23]
What makes you think you phones are not breached by CIA already ?
From point of security breach and eaves dropping, its all the same. However if your interest is in giving the US intelligence an advantage by having a better hand at breaching than the Chinese government, than maybe you can stop buying Chinese phones.
Same with trade wars, if your interest is in giving US an advantage in trade wars than so be it. As a non-American, i have no such trade war concerns.
I used to say I have nothing to hide. Now I say I have nothing left to hide!
I just happen to find this which makes me worry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/...l?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad
I also remember folks complaining, in a Mate 9 thread on XDA, about the app WPS Office perhaps providing a back door.
Everybody collects data on you. Seems like more aggressive advertising now due to google.
Data collection probably not limited to shopping interests.
Also very worried about backdoors on hardware.
It seems hopeless.
Don't get me wrong. I love My Mate 10.
Would just like a balance between security and privacy.
It would be good for the U.S government to provide PROOF, EVIDENCE and not only conjecture.
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It would be good for the U.S government to provide PROOF, EVIDENCE and not only conjecture.
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Yes, that would be good. They claim there is evidence of past breaches but chances are many would probably not believe it anyway. Best is to take steps to improve own security.
I think nearly all, if not absolutely all, cell phones are manufactured/assembled in China... not to mention nearly all the parts no matter who the "maker" is are made in China also. Doesn't matter if their headquarters are located somewhere else. I have had my Mate 10 (non-pro) for a few days now and it is quite possibly the best phone I have ever owned. My backup phone is a ZTE Axon 7 which was possibly the best right before the Mate. So I guess the Chinese have been reading my email's and text messages for years now. If you think this is only happening (if it even is) on Chinese Owned company phones then you are as delusional as Trump, and that boggles the mind!
Wow, such paranoia. So you're all happy to be spied on by your own government but get tin hat crazy when agencies tell you to not use Chinese phones? Seriously? As previous poster said, where do you think most off your devices are made anyway? Sheesh
When the N.K. "gonna nuke us anytime now" propaganda doesn't work, start blaming Russia.
When blaming Russia doesn't work, blame Kaspersky.
When Kaspersky doesn't work, tell the people to not buy Huawei or Xaiomi etc. devices.
It's gonna be hard to drop Huawei's telecom equipment since a lot of network infrastructure uses their equipment these days. Funny innit?
There probably having trouble finding a back door to Huawei and ZTE phones. Besides, FBI, CIA etc are as subtle as a cockroach on a white rug. Whatever they don't want you to buy, run quick and buy it!
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Was there in the past - 2015/2016 not something similar with the gay phones where the FBI could not crack them and get access to and asked the "fruit company" to provide the software to get access to locked/encrypted phones. They used the excuse that it was important that they had the ability to crack phones used by terrorists...
I believe it could be well that they struggle to find a backdoor on Huawei and ZTE produced phones.
I am sure that the governments have the ability to spy on everybody and if its not the government it will be google or microshaft...
The alternatives are the apple product programmed to slow down as the battery ages and or Samsung products which over time will slow down and or fail due to a mainboard failure, and here I have experience out of 1st hand on my old S3, Note 2 and Note 4 where the mainboards failed due to a eMMC chip failure. Apple and Samsung can keep their crap phones imo.
Yea because the NSA etc can't get in them, no back door etc
First of all, the news shows that the agencies are not really worried about your privacy as a citizen, rather that those phones may be a passive method to learn about telecom infrastructure of the U.S, or even possibly use them as an attack gateway in case of a cyber WWIII.
Now about your privacy:
Huawei, Samsung, HTC, LG, ZTE whatever, all are running Android. Depends on whom you're concerned that will breach your privacy, if you're concerned about the governments, your privacy was breached with the very first smartphone you bought, why? Well, Android is Google and they obviously have backdoors for themselves at least and Google does cooperate with the NSA when they need, so does Apple, so that's one thing. The other concern may specifically be "foreign" governments, which yeah it's possible given how China uses for example WeChat as a way to spy on it's citizens
In short, Huawei or Samsung or Apple, they all are cooperating with some government (May not be directly but through Google).
MONEY!!!!
i would think its more of a breach in the green area, its all about money.....
there is only one thing going on here and that is America being scarred of Chinese corporations...shengzen will overtook every pice of techonlogy in the future. ...and saying that some company is spying on them while "they"(American goverment) does exactly that HAHAHAHA.... what a ****ty claim for them with no proof or whatsoever...well thats how human behaves when gets scarred...u throw every amunition u have at there faces and whis for the best LMAO peace guys
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i would think its more of a breach in the green area, its all about money.....
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Totall agree, and anyone who believes otherwise should have their head examined. Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung .. they all have a lot to lose by allowing Huawei/ZTE access to the U.S consumer market. AT&T cancelling the launch of the M10Pro one day before CES stinks of Government coercion, which I'm sure was induced by lobby pressure.
Looks like it's getting worse for our beloved phone.
UK-based chip designer ARM has told staff it must suspend business with Huawei, according to internal documents obtained by the BBC.
BBC news story link
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48363772
If this ends up being the case, it is by far the most damaging result for Huawei of the Orange Wotsit's recent China-bashing.
I hope he's not allowed to get away with it!
(actually, I hope he does something which prevents the manufacture or assembly of electronics in China - once Apple et al start shouting at him about that, I'm sure we'll see a huge climbdown)
It will be funny to see how would it be if China suspends it's delivery of raw materials for electronics to USA, considering they are the biggest supplier.
war incoming...
Welcome to the 51st state.....The silver lining is he will step on the toes of one of his masters, sooner rather than later, then everything will right itself.
Lol
i.adrian said:
It will be funny to see how would it be if China suspends it's delivery of raw materials for electronics to USA, considering they are the biggest supplier.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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But it would take years for the Americans to build the technology and infrastructure to start using their own resources. Just like it will take years for the Chinese to develop the technology to build processors without ARM. The American tech industry would be doomed for a long time without Chinese resources and manufacturing.
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You were wrong, American got tons of raw materials but they don't really want use it,if China suspended supply American can get their own anytime.
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If China pulled the plug, the tech giants share prices would nosedive overnight, Apple and Google are heavily invested in the Chinese manufacturing of their products, as it is cheap labour - cheap labour means bigger profits for shareholders, bringing this kind of manufacturing process back to America is extremely costly and time consuming. As I said before, he'll step on the toes of his masters and this will be reversed in the blink of an eye - although I feel the damage to Huawei is going to be permanent in terms of consumer confidence, so on that score the oompa loompa has won.
1 Day left and still no unlockable bootloader.
Say goodbye to major updates from Nokia.?
I heavily doubt, that we will see new Nokia devices two years from now on. Android One program is kinda dying and there's no need for just another mediocre brand. Xiaomi für example is far better when it comes to price/performance ratio.
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I heavily doubt, that we will see new Nokia devices two years from now on. Android One program is kinda dying and there's no need for just another mediocre brand. Xiaomi für example is far better when it comes to price/performance ratio.
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i wouldnt compare nokia to chinese brands. (I know HMD is chinese)
2gg1 said:
i wouldnt compare nokia to chinese brands. (I know HMD os chinese)
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The only non-Chinese thing about Nokia is the name.
Nothing wrong about buying a Xiaomi or whatever brand, at least you got an open bootloader there.
From what I know right now
HMD is still a Finland company
I just won't use a Chinese phone even it's free, don't want my data will send to the Chinese government, and trying to avoid them to earn any money from me.
They got to pay what they did on leaking the virus to the entire planet
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From what I know right now
HMD is still a Finland company
I just won't use a Chinese phone even it's free, don't want my data will send to the Chinese government, and trying to avoid them to earn any money from me.
They got to pay what they did on leaking the virus to the entire planet
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Same
I have much things against their gouvernement
Have fun avoiding products made in China, especially FFP masks and pharmaceutical supplies.
Let's avoid steering this topic towards China-bashing. Let's just agree that there's a bit of China in all of our phones and that's not necessarily a good thing