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Umm its mid October

Mid October and no gingerbread news? Anyone have anything new on it?

Yeah, what he said..
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They don't want us to have gb.
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Yes.
Yeah, I'm Homeless.

zero26800 said:
Mid October and no gingerbread news? Anyone have anything new on it?
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Patience... It's coming. While I share your anticipation, I figure that it will be worth the wait since the boys here will take it and run with it. Just like the other roms that have been released so far, it's definitely been worth waiting for.
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Yea I'm trying to be patient about it. When I had my droid 2 I was being patient and it never happened. So my patience is running thin. Haha

This reminds me of when I had my HTC eris. It seemed to take forever for 2.1 to come out for it! Mainly because the sense UI had to be completely updated to be compatible. Not sure what the delay is in this case, but I'm sure it will be worth it.
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Clearly it's coming since it's on the esteem and the esteem is essentially the revolution. Should be coming.soon
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Take most rumor dates and add 4 to 6 weeks to them with VZW. I do not expect to see GB much before January or February which I find pointless as ICS could just as easily be configured for the Revo...
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Clearly it's coming since it's on the esteem and the esteem is essentially the revolution. Should be coming.soon
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Yes and no... Esteem built for MPCS and Revo for VZW. Verizon does not necessarily have, want, or need to push GB to this phone. I honestly expect to see the Revo to hit EOL list soon. [sarcasm] It is nearly 6 months old [/sarcasm]

Total speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for the delay
is so that they can find as many ways as possible to lock it down from being rooted. Considering VZW is in the business of CONTROLLING what you can and cannot do (unless you pay then more) with your open source based smart phone. I wouldn't put this past them. :-/
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Might also be that they are waiting until there is a release of the Revo 2 with stock GB (if the rumors are correct) and they dont want people to have reasons not to upgrade to a new product.
I am on MPCS and had the Ascend with stock 2.1 and even though there were rumors of a 2.2 update, it did not happen until after the Ascend 2 came out with 2.2 stock.
Dunno, just a thought....still hope it comes soon for all the Revo people in waiting.

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Might also be that they are waiting until there is a release of the Revo 2 with stock GB (if the rumors are correct) and they dont want people to have reasons not to upgrade to a new product.
I am on MPCS and had the Ascend with stock 2.1 and even though there were rumors of a 2.2 update, it did not happen until after the Ascend 2 came out with 2.2 stock.
Dunno, just a thought....still hope it comes soon for all the Revo people in waiting.
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I don't know about them holding the update until the revo 2 comes out... There's a lot of evidence telling us its coming soon like the posts on the LG site and the picture saying the revo is updateable to 2.3... But you could be right nobody really knows...
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Going to Verizon tomorrow...I will ask I have a goof friend there...maybe he will tell be a little something
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Going to Verizon tomorrow...I will ask I have a goof friend there...maybe he will tell be a little something
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If he works at a store... they are generally last to know anything.
I do not really care anymore at this point. I have decided to wait for February, upgrade one of my other lines and switch to the nexus prime. By February the prime should be out, and updated with fixes and running smooth. It also gives devs sometime to tweak and fiddle. I will then sell my revo.

Haxcid said:
If he works at a store... they are generally last to know anything.
I do not really care anymore at this point. I have decided to wait for February, upgrade one of my other lines and switch to the nexus prime. By February the prime should be out, and updated with fixes and running smooth. It also gives devs sometime to tweak and fiddle. I will then sell my revo.
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I love my Android and it's customizing abilities, so don't get me wrong on this statement, but WP7 has been starting to catch my interest. Of course, I have at least another year before I have to think about upgrading, but since I am a MS programmer, the thought of owning one intrigues me.
I have been with Android for years, but the more I read about the troubles developers have with this platform, the less I believe it will ever be a unified architecture. The problem is that they are developing on a Linux base with fragmented (if not non-existent) standards, with several "one off" branches.
What this means for the gaming industry and high end graphics capabilities is that this platform has a strong likelihood of never reaching it's full hardware potential. Reading comments from large institutions like Electronic Arts on the difficulty in developing for the platform and seeing the Android market further sink into mini-walled gardens due to "perceived" compatibility issues, my hopes for this platform are slowly starting to come into question.
That's unfortunate, because I love the idea, I love the freedom, and I think I would hate living in a design chosen for me, but at the end of the day, it's going to be the quality of apps, and how well the device runs with the operating system, as well as the compatibility of apps that's going to make a difference.
Maybe my mind will change over the next year or so with the release of ICS (hate that name), but right now, I don't have much hope of seeing this OS going in a direction any different than the current state of Linux.
It's functional, it's powerful, but I want EVERYTHING Android has the capability of doing, not just the bits and pieces they deem worthy of my branded device. My video chip is every bit as powerful as the competing OS devices, so I want to actual see the potential realized!
The Amazon store, the NVidia store, the restrictions with the Market, it's all contributing to putting gated communities up around every subsection of Android. Honestly, I grow tired of it...

Not sure if anyone caught this news back in the spring or remembers... but the update is more than likely coming. Google is "encouraging" manufacturers to keep their phones up to date for 18 months after release. LG and Verizon are supposedly on board. Course, this doesn't mean much, but it is hope.
http://androinica.com/2011/05/android-updates-for-18-months/

I agree with majorpay. So much potential yet so much pussyfooting around in an attempt to squeeze money out of people. I mean that's the whole point of marketing but I think its kind of ridiculous that when an update comes out everyone running the os has no real guarantee of getting it. And if they did promise it. They don't have to promise when. Android is a tank of an os. Wish we could have the current version when its available and not have to wait till our carrier or manufacturer is ready to release it.

what happens first Revo getting GB or ICS launching?
then how long before people start wanting ICS.
Me i have 1 upgrade on my account left and just waiting for either the Prime and or see whats coming out early next yer.
don't take this the wrong way i LOVE the Rev over any other phone on verizon right now BUT it seems like LG is holding back..this phone should have launched with GB there was no reason for it not to. now it sounds like there waiting for the Revo 2 to launch before updating it.
rant done for now

majorpay said:
I love my Android and it's customizing abilities, so don't get me wrong on this statement, but WP7 has been starting to catch my interest. Of course, I have at least another year before I have to think about upgrading, but since I am a MS programmer, the thought of owning one intrigues me.
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don't feel bad. I was at an ATT store with a friend and was checking out the HD7s and was highly impressed with it. It was super smooth and fast, had decent specs. Overall a really nice phone. If Verizon had a comparable phone (trophy is not near the level of the hd7s) I would have considered it.

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don't feel bad. I was at an ATT store with a friend and was checking out the HD7s and was highly impressed with it. It was super smooth and fast, had decent specs. Overall a really nice phone. If Verizon had a comparable phone (trophy is not near the level of the hd7s) I would have considered it.
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I would *suspect* WP7 is going to start bringing REAL phones to the table within the next year or so (they kind of have to if they want to stay in the game). It will be interesting to see what impact on those of us in the Android world it will have. Unless Android can unify their architecture and make dev friendly APIs and standards, they are going to lose this game as quickly as they started winning it. On that note, I'll never purchase an Apple. Put a gun to my head, and it's still likely not going to happen.
Another interesting point you make there, that I've never understood, is that Verizon, one of the largest providers in the nation, always seems to be the last to get the greatest hardware.

N7 OTA updates?

Is it my imagination, or has the Nexus 7 gone the way of most Android devices? The development cycle is so tight that anything over a few months old gets cut loose and never sees another update. This seems like a rampant issue. My Galaxy Tab 10.1 will probably never see another update either, and definitely will never see JB. Tablets seem worse than phones too. Someone correct me if I'm way off base here. I completely understand how this has happened, but I don't have to like it. And I wonder how consumers can influence this situation. What is worse, the Nexus 7 has not been superseded by another product yet, and still the updates seem to have completely stopped. I must say that Apple is somewhat better about supporting it's hardware longer too.

What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...

Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.

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Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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Past history with non-nexus devices!! LOL
What are you going on about? Nexus devices get updates faster than any other devices....and longer support than other devices.
What color are the clouds in your world?
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mntbighker said:
Not sure I believe we will ever see another OTA update on N7. And I would be disappointed to think that no bug fixes have been found since the last OTA. Then again I doubt anyone will ever push another update to a N7. It's now like my Galaxy Tab 10.1, it "works" so why fix it. By the time a new version worth pushing arrives, the N7 will be incapable of running it. Just my opinion based on past history.
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The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
In addition, just because bugs are identified and there may be a rumored fix with it, many good devs will continue to monitor their fix, test it, and see how it does; ensuring that the fix does not create a more bugs (in quantity and severity) than there were in a previous build.
Patience is a virtue. There's a reason why this saying is an aphorism.

Pirateghost said:
What updates are you expecting? There have been no newer versions of Android yet. Not really sure what updates there could be when nothing as been added to Android...
I mean come on, this is a damn Nexus device....it will get the next update...
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kj2112 said:
What color are the clouds in your world?
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Apparently pretty dark :crying:

mntbighker said:
Apparently pretty dark :crying:
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Just....wow! Lol
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TheAltruistic said:
The Nexus 7 is marketed and monitored directly by Google. As soon as Google releases another version of Android publicly (i.e., a stable release with less bugs), then you will be guaranteed to get it before any other device. This is one of the major benefits to owning a Nexus device.
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I think the Nexus "8" will be out by then and the 7 will be deemed too anemic to run the newer software. As I said, it was just an observation of a phenomenon with the hardware development cycle we have with Android. And yes, the situation is way worse with non-Nexus devices. My Sprint HTC One is pretty buggy and the phones generally seem to all have bugs that may eventually get fixed. But more often than not they just move on to the next big thing and you just have to live with the bugs until you replace the phone and get a whole new list of bugs. You can ROM the phone and sacrifice features along with different bugs of course. Consumer demand has shaped things such that there are never resources to really get existing devices locked down and bug free. There is no incentive for developers to work on existing devices, but always to develop for the next thing going out the door. Apparently there is a known bug in my HTC One that has to do with an incorrectly located file directory causing horrible battery issues. Weeks or months go by with no OTA to fix it.

Google wants every OEM to support devices for at least 18 months, so you can bet that nexus devices will get at least that and probably longer. I'm about 99% sure that the Nexus 7 will get key lime pie at least.
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awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.

I definitely think you should sell your n7 and get one of those awesome no name tabs everyone loves!! I'm sure they will be updated frequently and quickly!! I think some already have key lime pie!!
Just my advice.
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On top of there being nothing new in the world of android for the N7 to be updated to, I'm also curious on what "bugs" the op thinks need fixed?
I'm running latest rasbean on my phone and stock 4.2.2 on the 7 and have literally no bugs on either. Completely functional and stable (neither device has even been rebooted in almost 3 weeks).
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There are bugs, fixes and new features in almost every release: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
Look at the release dates to determine if releases are frequent enough.
Sometimes preventing an OTA update to a Nexus 7 device can be the challenge. Lol!
(still running 4.1.2 on my N7)

I got a Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 RT Surface so I can experience obsolescence instead of updates. LOL
My two Nexus 7, one Grouper and one Tilapia, will be merrily updated to every new version of Android. I can't wait for more *fragmentation* with the next Android release.
Sorry gotta go run with the low information crowd, there is a protest nearby. ...

Thread is silly. Sorry OP.
Nexus One - Released with 2.1, EOL with 2.3.6 (2010 - 2011)
Nexus S - Released with 2.3, EOL with 4.1 (2010 - 2012)
Galaxy Nexus - Released with 4.0, still supported
Nexus 4 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Nexus 7 - Released with 4.1, still supported
Nexus 10 - Released with 4.2, still supported
Every device has made it through a year's worth at the very least, and that's starting with the Nexus One. At the time when the Nexus One was released, phone hardware was changing almost faster than it is now, and it still got quite a run of updates.
Please do some research before whining. The Nexus 7 hasn't seen an update as of now because there's no update to see.

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awesome....so you base all your knowledge of android on touchwiz and sense tainted devices....cool....but it doesnt work that way in nexus land.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?

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I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Bad idea if current information is anything to go by. Google doesn't really seem to be doing altogether much more to support these two devices than it does for most-- it'll send the builds of Android as appropriate to the OEMs but it'll be up to them to actually tune everything.

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I had a Galaxy Nexus as well. Actually, the phone I had with the least bugs by the time I traded "up" was probably the Droid X. The Droid X2 was god awful by comparison.
Do you count the Google HTC One and Google Galaxy S4 as "Nexus Land"?
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Your problem there is. Verizon.
No. The Google edition phones are not nexus devices.. At all.
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Your problem there is. Verizon.
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Well, now I have done a complete 180. I have a Sprint HTC One from Ting.com. My bill is a fourth what it was with Verizon or AT&T and I rely mostly on WiFi/VOIP service. Too bad the HTC One is so terrible at holding onto a WiFi signal. I may have to switch back to a Samsung device if Sprint can't resolve this. Ting does support the Galaxy Nexus, among other Samsung phones.
Around here Verizon does have the best coverage BY FAR though.

Roll out of Lollipop for 910U (And a few others)

Thank you Samsung for letting down the 910U. There are absolutely no excuses to take so much time to update all variants. Too many variants and inability to maintain them... Never expected releases to come as fast as on my Nexus 5, but that bad is really a shame (Other manufacturers have already updated their flagships)
With all these different models of the same phone, Samsung has managed to create an extra fragmentation level of the already fragmented Android. Amazing.
And I don't want to hear that is maybe because we'll get a newer version than 5.0.1 or an improved Touchwiz (Like was speculated as an explanation for the very slow initial rollout of Lollipop). Most likely well get finally 5.0.1 when everybody will be on 5.1
I came back to Samsung after a few years (My last one was a Tab 7.7). Definitely amazing hardware each band every time. The software side (incl speed of new releases) is still a shame.
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Have to agree on the hardware front. Amazing, sleek and sexy. For the OS part though it's definitely a let down. I wish they would just apk all of their bloat and just let us use it on any non tw OS. No hidden or private api baked into a slow ui. My sister is running a S4 and laughing because she has LP and I can't even get it. Hell it's not even announced for my version.

i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for

I wonder if they limit variations because there's not any more letter in alphabet or what?

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i speak for 910G users and its a pathetic logic for 910G as well..... 910F got the update so why dint the 910G......it will be good if samsung can get their **** together and concentrate on a single processor and give its users what they pay for
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pretty crap when the F and G use the same hardware but different bootloader and modems - would have taken very little time to get a global release for the two models at the same time.

Calm Down untill the Final Release
SM-N910C user here, I feel your pain But you guys should not forget that the Lollipop releases for Note 4 are not final , are more like test builds thats why it is not availble outside of the world except Poland. In essence , more than 90% of Note 4 users didn't receive Lollipop. I have installed Lollipop and I am pretty confident that it needs some tuning and fixing before the worlwide roll out so hopefuly every use gets straight the Final build in some weeks time and not a test build like some lucky N910C-F users!
The Real let down would be in the case where the Final Worlwide release is ready for some variants and not for everyone or the others who didn't receive the final update and receive a test build like now Here there is no space for excuses

Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.

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Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
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Thank you too rj3005. Now you (unwittingly) bring a bit more to this thread. I wasn't even complaining yet, but indeed, contrary to the Nexus Series (I own a 5 and a 7) the Samsung version of Lollipop is indeed not so much of a change compared with KitKat. Less material design, still lags here and there (I honestly don't know since I unfortunately still do not have an update for my 910U............). Samsung has amazing hardware (And that s why I picked the Note 4) but Software wise.... Honestly....
Anyway let s hope the S6 brings finally a decent Touchwiz we may all benefit from..
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We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4

rj3005 said:
Thank you for alcibiade for another whiner thread. For God sake get a life, the note's 4 lollipop update isn't that earth shocking. In general KitKat works as good (or some respect even better) as Lollipop.
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Its not about getting life or what, but put urself on our shoes. What would u feel if everyone's got the lollipop amd u were left alone not having it? Good or bad is another matter. Being up to date is what xda is all about. At least that is why i joined xda.

I am totally with you, i know samsung for long time, and i know that they will not release the 5.1 for the 910u version because we didn't get the 5.0.1. in fact, we will get the 5.0.1 when the C gets close to the 5.1 . i am not mad or saying this because i hate samsung, i replied to tell you again Don't give your hopes on samsung to give you something that you want. I can tell from now that we can get the 5.0.1 version in 15 days from now, but without any change of the C version and maybe more buggy than it .

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We can only hope to receive the so called "revamped" touchwiz from the S6 on the note 4
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I do hope indeed...
Again the hardware on Note 4 is amazing (That's why I bought it over the Nexus 6). Hopefully Samsung will get its act together and deliver decent software (from an AOSP perspective) KINF OF on time....
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I agree i purchased the 910U over the 910G in australia and now i wished i got the C. Im sure when lollipop comes finally for the U porting C roms will become the norm and we'll keep up to date. God knows as well as us that samsung wont keep up..

I live in HK where U is the default model.
Weeks are passing... Still no sign. This is really not serious for a phone that's less than 6 months old.

Yep its a big fkn joke.

You should try being in Canada with a W8 model
The W8 model of of the note series is always the last to be updated let's just hope we get a fixed version.

Phone runs fine without Lollipop. If you read about how many are switching back from Lollipop, not in any hurry to get it myself.

Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
And why oh why do people keep contributing to what they call whiney threads?! And whining themselves about them! Nothing wrong with whining every now and again, should people on forums all be constantly happy? Is it written in the rules?
Please of please skip the thread of it upsets you so much! Ffs!

I too am upset and want to wine, getting really impatient
I have the 910U From new Zealand on Spark network...

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Yes I switched back. You're missing nothing yet people. To me it really felt like a beta, battery drain, needs refining. I can deffo see the potential, its noticeably snappier when it's working right
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To be fair the issues encountered with the first versions of Lollipop should be put to the credit of Google. On that they screwed up massively and even the Nexus line suffers from it (I also have a Nexus 5 and a Nexus 7). It's hard to blame the phone makers on this.
Nevertheless time passes by, most of flagships have been updated to Lollipop and... quite a number of Note 4 haven't. Samsung weakness on the software side is blatant (while they indeed design excellent hardware, the Note 4 and the S 6 are very good example of this)
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I am sad.

This place is dead. Generic S6 forum is not much better. We have root, but nobody is doing anything with it.

Yeah.. it's seriously making me think of switching devices. I'm used to many custom roms, unlocked bootloaders, xposed, etc.. and this isn't cutting it for me. Sure, great device but.. I'm just not feeling it.

What is it you are wanting? We have cleanrom and a few other debated options and an available framework to let you customize the crazy outta your touchwiz. As far as AOSP or CM, give it time. It's a new device, a lot of hands are on it and after some time, more options will be available. When I bought my G2 on release day, it was a month before root and another before good rom options showed up and even longer before stable rom options we're brought to the table.
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I don't understand why people buy a phone like this an expect a ton of development on it. Everyone knows AT&T locks bootloaders so there will be no AOSP ROMS for this device, especially with it packing an exynos processor. The root exploit has been patched in 5.1.1 so don't expect root unless you plan on tripping KNOX or never upgrading again. People really need to do research before they go out and buy a phone. If you need that much development, buy a nexus.
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I don't understand why people buy a phone like this an expect a ton of development on it. Everyone knows AT&T locks bootloaders so there will be no AOSP ROMS for this device, especially with it packing an exynos processor. The root exploit has been patched in 5.1.1 so don't expect root unless you plan on tripping KNOX or never upgrading again. People really need to do research before they go out and buy a phone. If you need that much development, buy a nexus.
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Exactly. I knew this going into getting another ATT phone (Active). It was either getting a phone I knew would work out of the box or getting a toaster oven with an 810 SOC. HTC and LG both failed this year IMHO and OPO2 will also be throttling back the 810 2.1 SOC. I wanted the active because of the bigger battery, but if those wanted ROMs on a S6 they should have just bought an international model outright.

I bought this phone expecting no development. The fact there's even root and roms for it is more than enough for me.
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I bought this phone expecting no development. The fact there's even root and roms for it is more than enough for me.
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I went from a Nexus 5 (chronic flasher) to a no root Note 4 (now obviously s6) and I discovered that not having root or a million roms to flash caused almost zero issues. Having root and debloated roms on the s6 makes me completely happy. I just flashed XtraStoLite and it's awesome, even more customization and you choose only Samsung apps you want.

I haven't even rooted yet. Works fine for me. First phone I didn't root right away.
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I haven't even rooted yet. Works fine for me. First phone I didn't root right away.
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Yeah, the issues that made me feel like I absolutely had to root in the S4, S5, N4 are pretty much non issues with the S6 so I'm happy not rooting.

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What is it you are wanting? We have cleanrom and a few other debated options and an available framework to let you customize the crazy outta your touchwiz. As far as AOSP or CM, give it time. It's a new device, a lot of hands are on it and after some time, more options will be available. When I bought my G2 on release day, it was a month before root and another before good rom options showed up and even longer before stable rom options we're brought to the table.
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What is the available framework you speak off

JHarley17 said:
What is the available framework you speak off
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Probably the built in themer.
For everyone: when you buy a phone with a locked bootloader, you buy a phone that will have very limited development support (if a hack is found all the better, but don't count on one being found, they ain't easy to find). If you buy a Lamborghini are you going to complain you can't put the turbo you saw on your friends Mazda on it?
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JHarley17 said:
What is the available framework you speak off
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-galaxy-s6/general/xtrestolite-rom-att-s6-t3140354 its a universal rom and it's pretty awesome.

JHarley17 said:
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Alliance Framework and soon 3minit. You just need to flash a deodex ROM and to top it off, we are now seeing that you can flash roms from the international thread. I will attempt this myself 4th of July weekend and post videos on my channel if successful.

Honestly I think it's quickly getting to the point where rooting will be an afterthought. I rooted my S6 Edge and flashed back to stock within a week.

Yamahar6riding said:
Alliance Framework and soon 3minit. You just need to flash a deodex ROM and to top it off, we are now seeing that you can flash roms from the international thread. I will attempt this myself 4th of July weekend and post videos on my channel if successful.
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It's not hard, most are just an Aroma installer. I'm running one and it works great. The only weird thing was the Aroma installer screen flashes while you're selecting options you want to add/remove. I have an ATT S6 as well.

Clienterror said:
It's not hard, most are just an Aroma installer. I'm running one and it works great. The only weird thing was the Aroma installer screen flashes while you're selecting options you want to add/remove. I have an ATT S6 as well.
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So I can Flash the deodexed ROM linked earlier with Flashfire then add the alliance framework with flashfire too? Still Kinda new to this(Had the s4 rooted and never flashed anything till after getting the s5 which was rooted with a custom ROM) and it seems like its a different method every phone. Im trying to read up on the different threads but dont have much time usually. Need to take a day and figure it out. Thanks for the help.

I'm not asking for cm or aosp (neither appeal to me), and neither do i want some shoddy kludged together community rom.
What I'd like is to see something like Xposed,,which works without issue on a completely stock+root install.
I've been doing this since the G1 days, and i just dont have the time or patience for it anymore. I have a hobby that to me, is far more satisfying and fun than jacking around with phones.
All i really want is to remove the volume warning and the redundant wifi notification.

raduque said:
I'm not asking for cm or aosp (neither appeal to me), and neither do i want some shoddy kludged together community rom.
What I'd like is to see something like Xposed,,which works without issue on a completely stock+root install.
I've been doing this since the G1 days, and i just dont have the time or patience for it anymore. I have a hobby that to me, is far more satisfying and fun than jacking around with phones.
All i really want is to remove the volume warning and the redundant wifi notification.
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Xposed is in alpha or pre alpha for TW devices. So it is in the works, just a ton of bugs and the install is pretty in depth at the moment.

Don't know about the volume warning, but the WiFi notification is easy if rooted. Get the CSC editor and search for WiFi. Blank this value and reboot.
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I have up on roms (TW or AOSP/CM) based a long time ago due to glitches and bugs. The last thing I ever did with root was adaway but now many all developers and websites are getting content past adaway and ABP, so no point there even.
I had a problem with my Tab S not taking the lollipop update after rooting then un-rooting which kind of soured me it in general. I got it flashed back to stock at bestbuy and updated, but settings menu still shows status as Custom even though download mode shows Knox 0x0

Locked Bootloader

I think one of the best things that we all love about android is ability to change your phone and add what you want via root. My question is this, if the future of android is to lock all bootloaders, why should we stay with android and not get an I phone? If I can't get viper4android I'm not sure if I'm gonna stay with android. What are your thoughts?

You've hit the nail on the head.
Android / Google is turning into Apple with its proprietary madness.
::iunlock::

You would think they'd unlock the boot loader considering all the bad press they're getting due to exploding phones
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MorePAIN said:
You would think they'd unlock the boot loader considering all the bad press they're getting due to exploding phones
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Why?
The modding community is a very small part of the manufacturers' customer base. There's more money to be made with the pay services, which rooting can't guarantee the security of. Also, the manufacturers are looking towards corporate customers, who take a dim view of the security ramifications of rooted phones on their systems.
My last phone that had an unlocked bootloader was the Note 4. It seemed that I lost more functionality than I gained.

douger1957 said:
Why?
The modding community is a very small part of the manufacturers' customer base. There's more money to be made with the pay services, which rooting can't guarantee the security of. Also, the manufacturers are looking towards corporate customers, who take a dim view of the security ramifications of rooted phones on their systems.
My last phone that had an unlocked bootloader was the Note 4. It seemed that I lost more functionality than I gained.
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You should take into account a lot of the added features of android have come from the modding community and merged/adopted into official carrier builds.

I totally agree with the point of root for V4A. I can't live without that mod. especially the A.r.i.s.e. version. Have you tried that?
What new phones coming out have the best chances of root?

By this point Samsung should invest in their speakers and give us a reason to not need root. Instead they constantly give us crappy speakers.

Chr0nicDreamz said:
You should take into account a lot of the added features of android have come from the modding community and merged/adopted into official carrier builds.
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I won't begin to deny that the amateur developer community have done great things for our phones. All of my Android phones have been rooted, going back to the Droid Incredible. I'm simply stating that from a business standpoint, there's little profit to catering to such a small part of their customer base.

douger1957 said:
I won't begin to deny that the amateur developer community have done great things for our phones. All of my Android phones have been rooted, going back to the Droid Incredible. I'm simply stating that from a business standpoint, there's little profit to catering to such a small part of their customer base.
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You would be correct. That's probably why they stopped with developer edition devices as well
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Chr0nicDreamz said:
You would be correct. That's probably why they stopped with developer edition devices as well
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You're probably right. My only two issues are boring sounds with no DAC, and no adaway.

chronos7 said:
You're probably right. My only two issues are boring sounds with no DAC, and no adaway.
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I turned in my phone, R.I.P. Note 7, you were a goddess amongst peons.Your core was too unstable.