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Putting in the SIM card on the fly

Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.

its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"

y2whisper said:
its not a crash, its just what it does from what I have read, so i guess its just not "hot swapable"
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It seems like - switching off occurs in the exact moment of unlocking SIM card cover... Well, shame - SIM hotswapping would be really cool

SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).

thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity

Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
hanmin said:
thats what many design work are done to prevent users from doing things dangerously. If you've noticed, that all phones SIM cards are hidden under the battery and/or blocked by the battery in one way or the other. That's to force user to shut down the phone before doing anything with it. I'm sure that's for the protection of the SIM and/or not making a mess on the telco system, which may heavily affect the phones popularity
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eva_d said:
Just got my Kaiser, lovely boxing, lovely phone but I've had a little unpleasant surprise - I've entered SIM card while phone was already on. In result Kaiser have just crashed - I mean switched off itself. Anyone else noticed similar trouble? Does it mean there is still need to switch the phone off before changing SIMs?
Anyway, going to explore Kaiser.
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It's actually in the manual. Page 24 section 1.2
Always turn off your device before installing/replacing the USIM/SIM card and battery.
Cheers.

SecureGSM said:
Not true. Another HTC handset with easy access to SIM card slot locatyed under slide out keyboard:
HTC VOX
also:
HTC TOUCH - side access to SIM card
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Interesting.. I'd guess I'm at the old age. I did a bit of research, it seems that THERE ARE phones out there that can have hot-swap SIM. This is news. From Nokia N93 review
The hot-swap SIM slot is a very good solution, especially for users having more than one SIM. It allows you to exchange SIM cards without the necessity to switch off the phone and remove the battery. It is enough to switch phone in offline mode while changing card. At least it should work and it works on N90 just fine but on N93 with the current firmware version it is impossible to remove the SIM card even in offline mode because it causes prompt freezing.
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Redah said:
SIM card hot swapping is really bad. I work at a Operator and you don't want to know what kind of network trouble this can bring.
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Such as? Hotswapping SIM card from network's point of view looks exactly the same as removing battery without actually switching off the phone, as many people do. In such case network get no notification (IMSI detach) at all about switch off, and the only 'trouble' is network still 'thinks' that user is reachable until the next PLU (Periodic Location Update) or call attempt..
Well explained article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI_detach
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I've also had the Kaiser for a couple weeks now, and yes, it is supposed to shut down when you open the SIM cover. It's just for your own protection, you can even break your SIM if you remove it while the device is on (and, has a electric current flowing to the SIM).
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That's reasonable explanation. I have never got SIM card damaged, but I'd rather prefer not to experience it in future. In fact, my the very first SIM card I have *ever* had is already over 8 years old and still works perfect.

Kaiser would not load with a SIM card in

Hi there.
I've got this Kaiser that doesn't load when the SIM is inserted.
It works perfectly without the SIM. Also when the device is on and i stick the sim card it shuts down.
Its not on warranty or anything, also aint mine, but if i fix it i get to keep it(i hope) so please help if u know how to.

azik said:
I've got this Kaiser that doesn't load when the SIM is inserted.
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Have you tried a different SIM card?
azik said:
Also when the device is on and i stick the sim card it shuts down.
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Thats normal. The SIM card should be inserted/removed with the device off.

PsyOpWarlord said:
Have you tried a different SIM card?
Thats normal. The SIM card should be inserted/removed with the device off.
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Just did it again to make sure. Completely powered off the device by removing the battery, inserted the SIM, turned it on. When it got the green Windows Mobile screen it just died.
Also tried it with a different SIM from a different operator

Give more info about your device such ROM, radio, SIM unlocked or no, HardSPL, etc...

azik said:
Just did it again to make sure. Completely powered off the device by removing the battery, inserted the SIM, turned it on. When it got the green Windows Mobile screen it just died.
Also tried it with a different SIM from a different operator
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I am purely going on a guess here. Is the phone stolen or did someone just find it? Sounds to me like the SIM has been locked as well as the IMEI by the original service provider. If you insert the SIM card while it is powered off and then power it on and it doesn't boot bast the windows screen and with the SIM card out, it boots normally, sounds like a service lockdown on a phone reported stolen or lost.

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Give more info about your device such ROM, radio, SIM unlocked or no, HardSPL, etc...
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ROM: dutty's WM6.1 (the lat one from here)
radio version: 1.65.14.06
protocol 25.81.40.02W
I have also HardSPLed it. It was doing the same with factory settings and it does the same after i updated everything to the most recent version.

P1Tater said:
I am purely going on a guess here. Is the phone stolen or did someone just find it? Sounds to me like the SIM has been locked as well as the IMEI by the original service provider. If you insert the SIM card while it is powered off and then power it on and it doesn't boot bast the windows screen and with the SIM card out, it boots normally, sounds like a service lockdown on a phone reported stolen or lost.
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The unit was bought in a bulk by local British Petroleum (BP) office, so the stolen or found unit version doesn’t really suit the case and nobody is really gonna deal with warranty because of one device.
Also it shuts itself down very quickly. Normally the green screen lasts about 15 seconds or so. With a SIM card in it wouldn’t even last 3 secs, therefore it doesn’t even get connected to the network (I think) and shuts itself down.. Also if the IMEI is blacklisted I don’t think the network has the ability to shut down the device, you just won’t be able to make or receive calls.

azik said:
ROM: dutty's WM6.1 (the lat one from here)
radio version: 1.65.14.06
protocol 25.81.40.02W
I have also HardSPLed it. It was doing the same with factory settings and it does the same after i updated everything to the most recent version.
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Are you absolutely sure that the SIM is being inserted correctly? Look at the drawn on the SIM's lock door.

svcglobal said:
Are you absolutely sure that the SIM is being inserted correctly? Look at the drawn on the SIM's lock door.
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I was hoping that it would have been something simple like that. but no, i was dealing too much with these HTC's. I will post a video of what it does later on today.

here's the video

azik said:
here's the video
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If you leave the sim card out does it boot normally?

OK right after i made the video i left it on charge for couple of hours. i picked it up, turned it on and it booted up. it didnt boot with a sim card for a week and now it does. (i sound like a dumb blonde now)
HOWEVER
it wouldnt register on the network. it doesnt matter wheather it is automatic or manual it just doesnt get connected. i can do a manual search and see the list of networks but when i select my provider it doesnt connect. no probs with the network as i use it in my Herald.

UPDATE
Overhere we have two main mobile operators. One is Bakcell another one is Azercell.
What happens now is that it works fine with Bakcell chips but doesnt with Azercell.
Both of the operators arent that advanced yet to have some sort of restrictions etc to ban the handset or whatever. They dont even have 3G so there.
So, there i am. Stuck with an operator i do not need anyways(cuz the company is not paying for it) What could be a possible solution?

Interesting, any chance to get another Azercell SIM, just for be sure that is really the network?
So many (as you said) blonde mistakes, so double check every test.

svcglobal said:
Interesting, any chance to get another Azercell SIM, just for be sure that is really the network?
So many (as you said) blonde mistakes, so double check every test.
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i did check it with two Azercell SIMs. i also have a UK T Mobile SIM, which wudnt register on Azercell but works on Bakcell.

Do you guys think a radio downgrade would solve this issue ?

[Q] Rooting with no SIM?

So, my N6 is supposed to arrive on Tuesday. I am currently using a Galaxy S3 on Verizon. I am going to trim my SIM card and pop it into the nexus when ready.
My question is, can I put on a custom recovery, root, decrypt, update to 5.0.1, etc all without utilizing the SIM? Is there anything specific other than using mobile cell/data services that are going to fail from not having a SIM? I know that when the SIM accidentally pops out of my GS3 the phone pops up a window saying a reboot is necessary to try to find the SIM and there is only a single OK/Reboot button and no other options.
I want to try to do all the main imaging and rooting work while still utilizing my GS3 as my phone, and then when I have the N6 ready I nandroid backup both phones and then pop the SIM over. I did pick up a nano to micro SIM adapter in case I need to move the SIM back to the GS3.

Well, I guess if no one knows I will give it a try when I get the phone this week and update you all on if it works.

you can do whatever you want with it without ever putting a sim card inti it. the sim card is only for your phone/data provider. and has nothing to do with rooting your phone.

simms22 said:
you can do whatever you want with it without ever putting a sim card inti it. the sim card is only for your phone/data provider. and has nothing to do with rooting your phone.
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Cool. I figured as much but had not heard anyone that had done it. I wasn't sure if there was some technical requirement to have the phone activated before root/recovery took place or anything. All my previous phones came from carriers so they were all activated before leaving the store and before being rooted.

rgraville said:
Cool. I figured as much but had not heard anyone that had done it. I wasn't sure if there was some technical requirement to have the phone activated before root/recovery took place or anything. All my previous phones came from carriers so they were all activated before leaving the store and before being rooted.
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na, ive done that. my sgs4 was never with a sim. my n4 and n5 are without a sim at the moment, the n4 and n5 were rooted before i even booted it the first time.

I did it with my new N6 because I had to wait as well to get new Sim.
Unlocked bootloader, rioted in encrypted. Screwed it up and started all over again. I think I flashed the factory image 5 times that night trying new stuff

Unlocked version on Verizon question.

So I recently purchased a Verizon phone direct from the store and forgot that I needed to get the unlocked version. Long story short, I got a google unlocked phone and updated it over wifi to the latest firmware. I am not sure I want to unlock the bootloader and root just yet, but I would like to start using it. I also need to return the verizon one with in 14 days to get a refund. so my question is, once I put the verizon sim in the unlocked google phone, will the OEM Unlocking option get greyed out preventing me from rooting down the road if I choose? Right now it is obviously available and I can toggle it. TIA.
EDIT: I meant to put this in the Q&A Section, not sure how it got here. Sorry mods. Please move.

Light1984 said:
So I recently purchased a Verizon phone direct from the store and forgot that I needed to get the unlocked version. Long story short, I got a google unlocked phone and updated it over wifi to the latest firmware. I am not sure I want to unlock the bootloader and root just yet, but I would like to start using it. I also need to return the verizon one with in 14 days to get a refund. so my question is, once I put the verizon sim in the unlocked google phone, will the OEM Unlocking option get greyed out preventing me from rooting down the road if I choose? Right now it is obviously available and I can toggle it. TIA.
EDIT: I meant to put this in the Q&A Section, not sure how it got here. Sorry mods. Please move.
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So my understanding is that you now have 2 phones, correct? One on Verizon that you will pay $35 restocking fee on and another Google version that is, naturally, unlocked. I have an unlocked Google version as well with a Verizon sim in it. If your oem switch is active now then there is nothing you can do that will deactivate it. You're safe and you can send back the VZW phone today.

bobby janow said:
So my understanding is that you now have 2 phones, correct? One on Verizon that you will pay $35 restocking fee on and another Google version that is, naturally, unlocked. I have an unlocked Google version as well with a Verizon sim in it. If your oem switch is active now then there is nothing you can do that will deactivate it. You're safe and you can send back the VZW phone today.
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That's great news!! Thank you. I was worried Verizon would be able to toggle it somehow and keep me from accessing it once the sim provisioned on the Google phone. For instance, WiFi HotSpot works on the google phone now, but I assume once I put the verizon sim in that will stop working.

Light1984 said:
That's great news!! Thank you. I was worried Verizon would be able to toggle it somehow and keep me from accessing it once the sim provisioned on the Google phone. For instance, WiFi HotSpot works on the google phone now, but I assume once I put the verizon sim in that will stop working.
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That toggle disable is built into the device and not subject to sim or carrier. Just as enabling it is as well. But to your hotspot I'm just not sure how that works. I have hotspot on Verizon I guess because of the plan I'm on so I never thought about it. How does that work if you don't have the Google phone with a carrier yet? I'm kind of out of it when it comes to that since I only use it when the electricity goes out at home or I'm in a stupid hotel that charges for internet.

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That toggle disable is built into the device and not subject to sim or carrier. Just as enabling it is as well. But to your hotspot I'm just not sure how that works. I have hotspot on Verizon I guess because of the plan I'm on so I never thought about it. How does that work if you don't have the Google phone with a carrier yet? I'm kind of out of it when it comes to that since I only use it when the electricity goes out at home or I'm in a stupid hotel that charges for internet.
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Yea, I'm not sure. On the Verizon phone with the sim card it in pops up with a notification that says to call my carrier to activate this feature. The Google phone let's me setup a hotspot and put in SSID info and password. I know it has something to do with build.prop, was just curious if that is something that will change once I pop in sim.

Light1984 said:
Yea, I'm not sure. On the Verizon phone with the sim card it in pops up with a notification that says to call my carrier to activate this feature. The Google phone let's me setup a hotspot and put in SSID info and password. I know it has something to do with build.prop, was just curious if that is something that will change once I pop in sim.
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Pop it in already! Lol. Curious.

bobby janow said:
That toggle disable is built into the device and not subject to sim or carrier. Just as enabling it is as well. But to your hotspot I'm just not sure how that works. I have hotspot on Verizon I guess because of the plan I'm on so I never thought about it. How does that work if you don't have the Google phone with a carrier yet? I'm kind of out of it when it comes to that since I only use it when the electricity goes out at home or I'm in a stupid hotel that charges for internet.
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bobby janow said:
Pop it in already! Lol. Curious.
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Haha, I am too, but not sure I want to be the guinea pig.

Light1984 said:
Haha, I am too, but not sure I want to be the guinea pig.
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We've all been there. It's worth it.

bobby janow said:
We've all been there. It's worth it.
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For anyone else curious, the OEM unlock toggle is still available after installing Verizon sim. In case it matters, I started the phone first time with no sim, connected to WiFi, updated to December firmware, added Google account, setup phone, updated apps, setup WiFi hotspot, then installed sim. After reboot, my wife could connect to my hotspot but could not get internet access. But OEM unlock is good to go with this method. So I'll have to root and do tethering I suppose.

Light1984 said:
For anyone else curious, the OEM unlock toggle is still available after installing Verizon sim. In case it matters, I started the phone first time with no sim, connected to WiFi, updated to December firmware, added Google account, setup phone, updated apps, setup WiFi hotspot, then installed sim. After reboot, my wife could connect to my hotspot but could not get internet access. But OEM unlock is good to go with this method. So I'll have to root and do tethering I suppose.
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Thanks for the confirmation. I'm not surprised at any of it, however. This all has been known for some time. Glad you did the right thing for yourself.

Question Newbie to 5a - pardon the stupid questions

Anyone been able to use H2O wireless SIM from the old phone in this phone? It does not even recognize there is SIM is present!
Anyway to hide or remove the g.pay from the top bar?
Show seconds on the top bar?
Shake to trigger flashlight?

goodjuju said:
Anyone been able to use H2O wireless SIM from the old phone in this phone? It does not even recognize there is SIM is present!
Anyway to hide or remove the g.pay from the top bar?
Show seconds on the top bar?
Shake to trigger flashlight?
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I know I tried to use an old sprint sim in my 3Xl once I upgraded to Barbet and TMobile said that the sim was still tied to the old device. It could be that you need a never-used sim if that is even a thing. I have figured out how to double-tap the back of the device to launch an app, you could google double tap back and then have that open a flashlight/routine of some sort maybe. I believe there is also a Magisk mod released for all google devices that changes some functions of the notification/time etc. Look around more and you'll find some of your answers either in the forum here or through google search.
Good luck!

Solved!! H2O wireless problem. Got a new H2O starter SIM, the phone recognized it. Then I called H2O to swap my old number to the new number. Now I have both Fi (eSIM) and H2O SIM card working. If it did not work, the phone was going back.
Put the new SIM into the old phone it works there too.
Still looking for answers to items 2,3,4 from my first post.

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Solved!! H2O wireless problem. Got a new H2O starter SIM, the phone recognized it. Then I called H2O to swap my old number to the new number. Now I have both Fi (eSIM) and H2O SIM card working. If it did not work, the phone was going back.
Put the new SIM into the old phone it works there too.
Still looking for answers to items 2,3,4 from my first post.
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2 and 3 are build into LineageOS. Don't know about shake to trigger flashlight.

Shake to trigger flashligh - Really missing the convenience. I think it was native Android feature wish Google would put it back in.

goodjuju said:
Shake to trigger flashligh - Really missing the convenience. I think it was native Android feature wish Google would put it back in.
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Pretty sure that's a motorola specific feature, not android. Either way, it does have it's uses.

bulletfodder said:
Pretty sure that's a motorola specific feature, not android. Either way, it does have it's uses.
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My Samsung phones also had the feature.
I did find an app that appear to work well, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.rnazarevych.shaketorch. I needed to adjust the sensitivity to max.

I am from India, where Google missed Pixel 6 series, and Pixel 5a launch is coming soon. Should I buy 5a or wait for my brother to get it from Europe?