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Afters many hours searching the net and xda i could not find answers to these questions.
1) Does the rogers dream/g1 GPS work without a data plan? (using a standalone GPS app for example: CoPilot)
2) Does rogers Dream/G1 require data in order to initially find the satellites?
3) If you have no data plan are you able to get a lock on the satellites?
4) Can i manually enter my coordinates (longitude/latitude) for my gps in order to find the satellites quicker?
Here is what happened, i got fed up with rogers and decided to cancel my data plan (its just not worth paying 25$ for just 500mb per month). But since i canceled i noticed i am unable to find satellites for my GPS. Using multiple apps (GPS Test, GPS Status, CoPilot, etc...) none of them could get a lock on any satellites or even find one for that matter. I had my phone outside in a clear view of the sky when i was trying these apps.
By the way its not a hardware issue, because it worked before i canceled the data plan. I purchased the standalone map software called CoPilot in order for me to use when i canceled my data plan. (The US/CANADA maps are already installed on my sdcard).
Data was not important to me, since i quite often use my wifi, but not having my GPS working because i canceled my data is really making a paper weight out of my phone
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!, as i am sure that there are many other users who would like to have these questions answered before making the decision to cancel their data plan.
1) Yes.
2) No.
3) Yes.
4) No.
Note that robbers really screwed some things up badly on the latest "update" that they sent out for DREAM hardware -- along with locking the thing down to prevent you from fixing it yourself. I think they want to make it look like crap and be locked in to its obsolete version of Android permanently. They are obviously fishing for more service contracts. I wouldn't be surprised if they broke GPS.
Note: It could be that you just aren't in a spot to easily receive GPS.
Thank you for the response!!! lbcoder, and i am happy you kept your answers to a yes or no (that was exactly what i was looking for).
I was wondering if you could help me some more. Instead of doing the robbers 911 update, i followed the instructions from cyanogen to bypass this since i already had my phone rooted, i used this guide wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Upgrade_Rogers_Dream_Radio
Before i did this update i was running enomther rom and also wesgarner rom. Both worked flawlessly and GPS also worked with both. But once rogers sent out the 911 update, that's when i cancelled my data plan, and followed cyanogen instructions to bypass this.
1) Could it be that its cyanogen new v4.2.14.1 rom that is causing the issue of my gps not working?
2) What are other roms i can try that works with cyanogen new radio update?
Thanks again for your help!
ifactory said:
1) Could it be that its cyanogen new v4.2.14.1 rom that is causing the issue of my gps not working?
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Possible. Cyanogen isn't known for being particularly stable.
2) What are other roms i can try that works with cyanogen new radio update?
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I believe that you should be able to use ANY ROM that you like. The only issue is that the kernel you use must be compatible with that radio (i.e. built from the HTC source).
There is no guarantee, but there is a high likelihood that the appropriate kernel will work with pretty much any system image. So you should be able to switch out the boot.img and any kmods from any rom to make something that works.
Just be sure that you don't go messing with the radio or spl on your phone and keep a good nandroid backup in case you need to backtrack.
Now if you aren't comfortable making this kind of modification (i.e., if you have to ask....), then you might want to go searching for ROMs that are specifically listed as compatible. I don't have any robbers hardware, so I don't know which specific roms to suggest to you.
I was able to install two roms aside from cyanogen, using the new radio. One was by wesgarner and the other by benbuchacher. Both roms are not able to find any satellites for the gps.
So i can confirm this issue has nothing to do with the roms.
CAN ANYBODY CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO USE THEIR GPS WITH A ROGERS DREAM PHONE, WITH THEIR DATA PLAN CANCELED?
The G1 GPS uses ASSISTED location when it can, meaning when you use the GPS along with the data services it will be able to lock onto a signal pretty much instantaneously. If you turn off your data, if can take the GPS a LONG time to find location (I've seen it take upwards of 5 minutes.)
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Possible. Cyanogen isn't known for being particularly stable.
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not sure which version were you using but Cyanogen is one of the best roms and stable ones, maybe you used the experimental version
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Possible. Cyanogen isn't known for being particularly stable.
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GPS is working fine with & without data for the version of cyanogenmod mentioned.
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not sure which version were you using but Cyanogen is one of the best roms and stable ones, maybe you used the experimental version
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Any of them. They're all bloated piggish things that barely work at all. Fine if you like bleeding edge and useless features. Not if you actually want your something productive.
it works fine.
Hey guys, I live in a rural area in the USA and I use to get a pretty steady 1-2 bars my house. Recently I started flashing my ROM with some of the ROMs here and I've noticed I can now only get maybe 1 bar by my window. I was wondering if somehow my radio got changed or something else? I'm on T-mobile. Thanks for you help.
Beaver2
What radio version have you got installed?
(in case you don't know, look under 'start>system>settings>device information>software information'.)
Here's a thread with lots of different radio versions for download: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939
Different radio versions are often better suited to different geographic areas/carriers. Take a read and see whether there are any comments about a particular radio version from someone who lives near you/uses the same carrier.
It says:
4.49.25.17
I'm knew here and I understand the concept of ROMs but what is the radio for and does flashing the ROM change it?
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It says:
4.49.25.17
I'm knew here and I understand the concept of ROMs but what is the radio for and does flashing the ROM change it?
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You can go here...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939 and read about the different radios. Some roms work better with certain radios. Flash some and see what works best for you..
The radio (not to be confused with the internal FM-radio) is the firmware which controls the device's various antennas (among other hardware). It sits between your device's hardware and Windows Mobile. The radio is a huge factor in your reception in a given area, so changing radio versions may help you. The only problem with radios is that your situation is completely unique, and therefore, nobody can tell you which radio is best for your location. My advice is to simply try the latest ones, and see how those work, and using older and older ones until you find one that works for you. The procedure for flashing ROMs and radios is the same. Just ensure you don't flash a CDMA radio, or you'll brick your device. Visit cr1960's link for all GSM Rhodium radios.
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Hey guys, I live in a rural area in the USA and I use to get a pretty steady 1-2 bars my house. Recently I started flashing my ROM with some of the ROMs here and I've noticed I can now only get maybe 1 bar by my window. I was wondering if somehow my radio got changed or something else? I'm on T-mobile. Thanks for you help.
Beaver2
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Aluminum foil wrapped around a fork and tied to my phone seems to work for me.
Flashing a cooked ROM won't affect your radio version. But if you flash an official ROM, that usually comes with its own radio version too.
I know they use the same frequencies as Telus so all my data should work and I will get all the bug fixes from the Thai firmware, but before I do it I just wanted to know if I am going to have any localization problems like:
default language from using the firmware.
Any hard coded info like servers (I read a tutorial once about using a unlocked MIlestone on Bell and having to root it to get assisted gps working by changing the server info 3 times in different files) so that is a example of info I would like to know before hand. Or does that info along with APNs get saved in a area the service does not touch.
I assume my apps will be fine since I am using a service version.
I have the 2.36 Thai version running on mine, while still running on Telus. I haven't modded the location file yet, and the GPS works just fine Language is still in English.
Good to know about the language. I know GPS would still work since the servers I was talking about are just for the assisted part I think speeding it up when finding you.
Did you have to manually set any APN settings after flashing the Thai version.
Has this happened to anyone?
I did the upgrade then shortly after I got a notification that I lost data connectivity due to data roaming. Which I wasn't. I had to reboot to get data working again.
It kept happening until I gave up and decided I would rather have random music playing then having to reboot or go in and out of airplane mode everytime I wanted to go online.
It would be interesting to know why this is happening though. I am in a big city and it was happening at work and home.
Does the Thai firmware have some sort of advantage to other firmwares?
@ shadowofdarkness: You could have just turned on the data roaming. Though the phone may think it's roaming, your carrier won't.
@ bemymonkey: I find it quicker just in general, but that may just be me. I found when I was using the Telus release it felt very bogged down and laggy. I ran some tests with a buddy of mine (he running stock Telus, me running stock Thai) and it showed that mine was running about 1/5th faster on most tasks.
At the time the Thai version had bug fixes I wanted but since then GOT released a new Telus version with the same fixes.
Interesting... if I get bored I might try it
Hi guys (and girls),
I'm going slightly mad trying to figure out a stable setup for my O2X. I have been switching between the latest CM7 nightlies, and MoDaCo FR19. In general, CM7 gives me quite frequent black screens, and FR19 seems quite stable. However, there is one issue that is present in both ROMs.
I am unable to get a stable mobile data connection when I switch from WiFi. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. To get it to work again, it sometimes works to switch to 2G only (and possibly back again). I have tried several different radios recently: 218, 606, and 622, all with the appropriate RIL. The mobile data connection for 218 drops in and out at random without any clear pattern. For the other two radios switching on or off 2G only seems to achieve stable connection. However, it does not actually seem to affect whether I get a 3G or 2G signal. The display can say H or G, even when 2G only is checked. Bluetooth did not work correctly with 606.
To top everything off, the GPS does not seem to behave consistently for a all the different radio versions.
I guess that people have different experience with different radios, so which radio are the guys in Norway using? Do I really have to slog through every released radio and spend the day checking each one of them? Can I expect to find a radio/from combination that blacks to give me a stable GPS and mobile data connectivity, as well as good WiFi?
I know this has been discussed numerous times before, but people never seem to reach any conclusions. I'm just looking for advice on how to proceed to fix my problem.
I'm on cm7 .77 and i honestly havent had a blackscreen since i flashed it (yesterday morning) + battery is good now. For me this is the most stable nightly so ill stick with it for 2 weeks on my holiday )
Edit: bb .502 ril 218(i think) dont have any problems with network switching btw
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Hi guys (and girls),
Do I really have to slog through every released radio and spend the day checking each one of them?
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You probably have to, yes. This sounds more like a problem with the specific coverage in your area and how the phone interacts with the cell-towers than an actual problem with the phone. You may be in an area with weak signals from several stations, you may be in an area suffering from sudden bursts of noise, there could be a lot of reasons for why this is happening.
First thing I'd try is to upgrade to the latest official firmware (10C - 0622 for Norway), just to have a baseline for comparison. In theory this firwmare (and baseband) has recently been validated by the norwegian carriers, and should have the best chance of success.
Then you should probably do a manual scan (in phone settings) for networks, and pick one manually.
Also try using the INFO menu (*#*#4636#*#*) and see if choosing a specific protocol helps.
If you're still unable to maintain a stable connection, I'd say that'd be grounds for returning the phone for a replacement.
Weak advice, I know, sometimes there just aren't any quick solutions.
::Trym
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First thing I'd try is to upgrade to the latest official firmware (10C - 0622 for Norway), just to have a baseline for comparison. In theory this firwmare (and baseband) has recently been validated by the norwegian carriers, and should have the best chance of success.
::Trym
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Thanks for your reply. Do you by any chance have a link to the firmware?
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Thanks for your reply. Do you by any chance have a link to the firmware?
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Sort of. In this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035041 you'll find complete ROMs of the previous versions. Install one of those with SmartFlash, then run the LG Mobile Update tool to get the latest.
::Trym
Okay, I see, downloading now. So it is good enough to use one of the smartflash files, I don't have to use nvflash?
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Okay, I see, downloading now. So it is good enough to use one of the smartflash files, I don't have to use nvflash?
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No, you don't have to use NVFlash. The advantage of using the smartflash method is that you get a completely "factory fresh" phone, with all the stock content present (movies, music, pre-installed apps) and you're sure to get a matching baseband and ROM.
Note that you have to flash both files, both the baseband and the ROM. The LG update tool won't update if you have a "new" baseband on an old ROM.
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So the firmwares from that post do not include the baseband? Anyway, I'm currently running baseband 405, so I guess this is sufficient to get the new update. And the new update will then overwrite everything to the latest official version, both ROM and baseband, correct?
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So the firmwares from that post do not include the baseband? Anyway, I'm currently running baseband 405, so I guess this is sufficient to get the new update. And the new update will then overwrite everything to the latest official version, both ROM and baseband, correct?
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Yes, it does. Each firmware pack comes with TWO files, the baseband and the ROM. To make sure you avoid any trouble, just flash them both, though, as you say, you can probably stay on the one you have, as yes, the LG Mobile Update tool will overwrite both the baseband and the ROM with the new versions.
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Flashing of old firmware, with subsequent upgrade to latest release for Norway is complete.
I got version V10c, with baseband 1035.21_20110622, kernel 2.6.32.9. My mobile data seems to be enabled as soon as I get mobile coverage (which admittedly is poor right where I live). Even though it pains me, I guess I should leave it as stock for a day or so to see how it behaves.
I guess rooting it shouldn't affect performance in any way?
My initial experience is that it is much more snappy than the stock firmware that the phone came with, but time will show
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Flashing of old firmware, with subsequent upgrade to latest release for Norway is complete.
I got version V10c, with baseband 1035.21_20110622, kernel 2.6.32.9. My mobile data seems to be enabled as soon as I get mobile coverage (which admittedly is poor right where I live). Even though it pains me, I guess I should leave it as stock for a day or so to see how it behaves.
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Yeah, you probably should, as your mission right now is to find out whether you can get a stable mobile data connection or not.
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I guess rooting it shouldn't affect performance in any way?
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Not to my knowledge, but I'd still advise you to wait a few days while sorting out the connection issue. Not that I think rooting it would affect that one way or another, but if you can't get it work as it is, you can return the phone in the state it is now, factory fresh.
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My initial experience is that it is much more snappy than the stock firmware that the phone came with, but time will show
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It certainly is. It also *stays* snappy over time, which can't be said for the 10a/b versions.
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The first test drive with the new firmware has been completed. On the way out it switched to mobile data flawlessly, but a longer drive it started falling out and reappearing for only short periods. When we stopped at the destination seemed to stabilise with a 3G connection again.
For the return trip I selected use only 2G network. The network connection remained stable for the entire journey.
I will have to test more, but the conclusion seems to be that it has trouble switching between the 2G and 3G networks when moving. I will try the same trip with a Telenor SIM card, and with different combinations of enabling 2G and 3G modes.
By the way, what is the difference between forcing 2G in the regular settings menu and in the special information menu?
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I will have to test more, but the conclusion seems to be that it has trouble switching between the 2G and 3G networks when moving. I will try the same trip with a Telenor SIM card, and with different combinations of enabling 2G and 3G modes.
By the way, what is the difference between forcing 2G in the regular settings menu and in the special information menu?
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The 2G only setting in the phone menu equals the "GSM only" setting in the INFO-menu. I'm far from an expert in these matters, this thread has an overview: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675136& of what the different modes do.
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More testing seems to indicate that as long as i leave "use 2G only" check, my mobile data connection seems to be pretty stable. It even switches between 2G and 3G, although apparently a bit more conservatively.
I guess I get to keep my phone anyway
Now for some rooting...
Just an update on the results from my testing. The second time I went out my mobile connection never appeared. This was with only 2G checked in the settings menu. In the Info menu, this corresponded to GSM only.
I then changed it to GSM auto (PRL), and then I got my intermittent mobile data again. I then change it to WCDMA preferred, and my data connection seems to be stable for now. This apparently requires much more testing...
F another chapter in the connectivity saga. Having WCDMA preferred selected in the Info menu, things mostly work, although the data connection drops sometimes.
Another problem I'm noticing with the stock ROM is that it usually is unable to reconnect to my home WiFi network when it comes within range. I have the money was selected to reconnect. Sometimes I even find it disabled in the list.
Hello,
About a week or so ago I updated to the official Mango release from Beta Mango and it seems now that my Data is pretty messed up. It seems to stop communicating with any apps that require data to be updated, until either I either restart or do the airport more on/off.
I noticed the connection deteriorates after a while, yet the reception shows 5 bars on the 3G network.
I should also add the network if not recognized by the HTC Wizard, but this was the case since day one (Pre-NoDo) and was not a problem, infact everything was fine when I had the candidate release of Mango. I have manually configured the settings.
The update process was this:
- Backup
- Mango Official
- Mango Beta Cleanup
- Update (Misc, not sure)
- HTC Update
This really has handcuffed me as I use data more then the phone itself.
Now some details:
I am in Toronto, on the Mobilicty Network using HTC HD7 T-Mobile (AWS Network)
OS Version: 7.10.7720.68
FW Version: 2250.21.40503.531
Hardware Version: 0002
Radio SW Version: 5.69.09.29a_22.50.50.21U
Radio HW Version: A.12.0.D4
Bootloader Version: 4.5.2250.0(129966)
Chip SOC Version: 2.2.5.0
I really need help with this as I am stuck in the water without proper data and will be forced to leave Mango :'(
Help will be appreciated!
This might not be what you wanted to hear, but it sounds like a reset is in order.
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Hello,
About a week or so ago I updated to the official Mango release from Beta Mango and it seems now that my Data is pretty messed up. It seems to stop communicating with any apps that require data to be updated, until either I either restart or do the airport more on/off.
I noticed the connection deteriorates after a while, yet the reception shows 5 bars on the 3G network.
I should also add the network if not recognized by the HTC Wizard, but this was the case since day one (Pre-NoDo) and was not a problem, infact everything was fine when I had the candidate release of Mango. I have manually configured the settings.
The update process was this:
- Backup
- Mango Official
- Mango Beta Cleanup
- Update (Misc, not sure)
- HTC Update
This really has handcuffed me as I use data more then the phone itself.
Now some details:
I am in Toronto, on the Mobilicty Network using HTC HD7 T-Mobile (AWS Network)
OS Version: 7.10.7720.68
FW Version: 2250.21.40503.531
Hardware Version: 0002
Radio SW Version: 5.69.09.29a_22.50.50.21U
Radio HW Version: A.12.0.D4
Bootloader Version: 4.5.2250.0(129966)
Chip SOC Version: 2.2.5.0
I really need help with this as I am stuck in the water without proper data and will be forced to leave Mango :'(
Help will be appreciated!
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holy crap, i thought i was the only one. im having the same issue for the last 2-3 weeks, htc hd 7 with shinning and also with mobilicity. I contacted mobilicity and doesnt seem to be an issue on their end. so hopefully someone has a solution.
have you tried...
...checking your settings? (i.e. making sure data isn't disabled)
...Resetting?
...a different Radio? (link in my signature)
...a different OS? (link in my signature)
...an OS with HTC Connection Setup? (all Europe ROMs have)
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This might not be what you wanted to hear, but it sounds like a reset is in order.
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Thank for the reply, I don't mind if I have too. Having usable Data is worth it
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holy crap, i thought i was the only one. im having the same issue for the last 2-3 weeks, htc hd 7 with shinning and also with mobilicity. I contacted mobilicity and doesnt seem to be an issue on their end. so hopefully someone has a solution.
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Thanks for the input and pretty interesting. At least this confirms that it is an OS issue, to a degree. No it's not an issue on their end, and they won't support this either since it's a hardware issue. They have reception problems here and there, but otherwise that is it.
sh4d0w86 said:
have you tried...
...checking your settings? (i.e. making sure data isn't disabled)
...Resetting?
...a different Radio? (link in my signature)
...a different OS? (link in my signature)
...an OS with HTC Connect?ion Setup (all Europe ROMs have)
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sh4d0w86, thanks for the response.
Settings: Data is enabled, available, and live (3G). I have also manually configured the APN settings for my specific carrier which are easily available. I'm sure mohammadwaqas can verify to that.
Resetting: I have soft-rest the phone, in a sense where I power off, remove battery, sim card, wait for a few minutes and swapped everything back in. Did not do a hard reset, as wiping everything out and starting over again, no.
HTC Connection Setup: Yes, the TMOUS OS does have the Connection Setup enabled at startup now, and I believe this was also available as an stand-alone app since day one. Trouble is that my carrier (Mobilicity) is not recognized (also since day one), so the automated settings do not go through with the "Connection Setup".
Different Radio/OS I was thinking this may be something I may have to do, going through the link in your signature, it seems pretty straightforward but I have a question: I noticed when looking at the radio link the "Model" is always HTC HD7 T9292 except for TMOUS, which is the HD7 I am using. Would it be possible to use the other OS/Radios, considering I am using a AWS band phone? .. I'm thinking all the other OS's are GSM band HD7s and that may interfere with the phone I have? Or am I assuming incorrectly here?
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Resetting: I have soft-rest the phone, in a sense where I power off, remove battery, sim card, wait for a few minutes and swapped everything back in. Did not do a hard reset, as wiping everything out and starting over again, no.
Different Radio/OS I was thinking this may be something I may have to do, going through the link in your signature, it seems pretty straightforward but I have a question: I noticed when looking at the radio link the "Model" is always HTC HD7 T9292 except for TMOUS, which is the HD7 I am using. Would it be possible to use the other OS/Radios, considering I am using a AWS band phone? .. I'm thinking all the other OS's are GSM band HD7s and that may interfere with the phone I have? Or am I assuming incorrectly here?
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well, if you don't want to hard reset...
i guess the only option would be to try different Radios.
in order to flash any Radios not specific to your device, you'll need XSPL.
tutorial in my signature. it tells you how to XSPL and how to flash Radios.
if you don't want to XSPL, you'll only me able to flash TMOUS Radios.
you'll need to use SPL_Signed.nbh to do this.
that will replace Radio and OSPL, but leave OS untouched.
actually, the Model's aren't all HTC HD7 T9292. there is also...
T9295 (Bell, AT&T) and T9296 (Telstra).
Thanks for the response. Looks like I may have to figure all that out.
I may have missed your answer, but is it possible to use radios that belong to GSM telcos, on this TMobile HD7, which is AWS?
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Thanks for the response. Looks like I may have to figure all that out.
I may have missed your answer, but is it possible to use radios that belong to GSM telcos, on this TMobile HD7, which is AWS?
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not sure what telco is, but...
as long as device is XSPL'd any Schubert Radio can be flashed onto your TMOUS HD7.
other [insert device] Radios cannot be flash to Schubert, will result in a brick.
Hmm sorry to hear about that, I've not seen this issue myself but if it started happening after the HTC driver update package (shortly after Mango) then that could be the culprit. HTC are due to release another driver update for all HTC devices pretty soon (apparently) with WiFi hotspot etc so perhaps there'll be a new radio that will fix the issue. I wouldn't go as far as Hard Resetting just yet.