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[Q] Pocket Android Non-phone devices ??

Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !

ADude said:
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.

yep get used droid, you can use its camera, gps, download textfree/pinger and get text messaging
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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ADude said:
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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If you want something radical try, www alwaysinnovating.com/products/minibook.htm
There is also the samsung galaxy pmps, www linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-Galaxy-Player-4-and-5/
Also look at Archos, but their smaller units tend to be resistive touch screens so check the descriptions well.
And finally a google search for 'android pmp camera' should turn up a couple hits.
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ADude said:
I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
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This is my thinking on the matter, too and is the reason why I still use a cheap Chinese Windows Mobile 2G clone phone through T-mobile. However, I've noticed that Phone companies are starting to roll out small data plans for about $10.00 a month. That might be enough to get me to finally buy a smart phone, given that I'd mostly use WiFi for data.
Once tethering plans become affordable I'll probably go with that, but I'm talking $15.00 a month on top for data & tethering, and who knows when (or if) prices will ever reach that level (especially with AT&T swallowing up T-Mobile... yaaay, go duopoly!)

Samsung is making one galaxy player I think its going to be called
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Arbelzapf said:
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Too bad reviews say it is terrible
I would say simply wait for the Samsung Galaxy Player to actually be released, hopefully this spring.

JLCollier2005 said:
Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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I am now looking into this, there are lots of Droids on ebay.
I assume that "BAD ESN" only matters if you are going to use it as a cell phone, and for Wifi use, it would not matter ?
Also, I noticed in the completed listings that some with cracked screens sold for just as much as ones without flaws. Why is this ? Is there some easy way to get the screen fixed ? (Just curious on this one.)

[Q] What external GPS receiver?

Since the Nexus S's GPS doesn't seem to bloody work and a fix isn't even on the horizon I was thinking maybe I could use an external GPS and hook it up via Bluetooth. There's a couple of success reports for Android phones in general but I don't know which devices, if any, will actually work with a (stock) Nexus S.
Are there any special protocols / features that need to be supported and what do I need on the phone side?
Do you have any specific recommendations?
Judging by the local pricewatch site (http://geizhals.at/) the market is dominated by Garmin and Navilock here.

1+ check some amazon reviews out it should work with anyone that has tried it will an android phone. If not CM7 will most likely have the protocal to support it

What are you talking about? My GPS gets and holds a lock within seconds. Try flashing a different rom, mine took over a minute to lock before I flashed OpenSoju.
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Yea GPS is fine on ns never had any issues
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A_Guy71 said:
What are you talking about? My GPS gets and holds a lock within seconds.
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Yea GPS is fine on ns never had any issues
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It's nice that the built-in GPS works on your phone, but it doesn't on mine and I'm on the second unit already. Please do stay on topic.

You would rather continue using a defective phone than listen to people tell you that a non-working GPS is not normal behavior?
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You would rather continue using a defective phone than listen to people tell you that a non-working GPS is not normal behavior?
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Do you really think exchanging it a second time would help any? (Not a rhetorical question, btw.)
Have a look at the many many threads around here by people who have problems with the Nexus S's GPS. Or at the mile-long thread over at Google Help. Or at reviews over at Amazon. Everywhere it's the same picture: A lot of people have problems, a lot don't.
If it were easy to fix it would have been fixed by now, so either it's a hardware issue that only affects some batches (in which case exchanging the phone won't help) or a complex bug that depends on outside factors, e. g. carrier used (same result). I could of course get another phone entirely, but which? The SGS1? For the GPS?

FYI im on my 3rd phone for other reasons and GPS was fine on all 3 devices
you might be getting threw a bad batch like you said ..IDK

demo23019 said:
FYI im on my 3rd phone for other reasons and GPS was fine on all 3 devices
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Hm, not very encouraging, but thanks anyway.
I'm still open to suggestions for an external GPS, though.

Yes I do think exchanging it again would help. You are paying $2,000+ over the course of two years for this phone. Settling for one with capabilities less than advertised seems unreal to me. If I bought a car after the salesman told me it had A/C and it turns out it didn't have any A/C, I would return it in a heartbeat.
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A_Guy71 said:
Yes I do think exchanging it again would help.
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Ok, thanks, I'll try.
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You are paying $2,000+ over the course of two years for this phone.
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Ouch! I realize you're just quoting a round figure but I just did the math and I'm not even paying $500 (assuming US) over two years.

fallenguru said:
Ok, thanks, I'll try.
Ouch! I realize you're just quoting a round figure but I just did the math and I'm not even paying $500 (assuming US) over two years.
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Wow, I didn't notice where you were from. $21 a month! You are a lucky guy. The US lags behind in broadband and cell service I suppose..

My GPS never worked too. I downloaded Gps test (by chartcross limited) on the market and after running both this app and google navigation simultaneously my gps worked. Initially it took 5 min to lock in a signal and now i get a signal instantly. Maybe give this a try.

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Yes I do think exchanging it again would help.
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Ok, I got number three and lo and behold it is a little better. Not great, but usable at least.
I'd still be interested in BT GPS that work well with the Nexus S.

I'm also not too happy with embedded GPS receiver.
So I just bought a Holux M-1000C, cheap and much more sensitive.
As additional plus you should get:
- logging during trips
- (to be confirmed) lower battery drain
- it can be adjusted to read up to 10 positions per second

Came across something strange today.....

Few things I want to get straight, I in no way shape or form tampered with this device. I am an AT&T employee and came across this while setting a customer up with his new S5. This is how it came brand new sealed out of the box. Also, I understand the photo is blurry. This is due to the fact that the screen did not stay up long. I snapped as fast as I could before I had to take it back because it was actually extremely buggy and kept freezing. Just felt the need to to share with the guys. Looks like some are being missed in the lock down lol.
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bnicsk8guy said:
Few things I want to get straight, I in no way shape or form tampered with this device. I am an AT&T employee and came across this while setting a customer up with his new S5. This is how it came brand new sealed out of the box. Also, I understand the photo is blurry. This is due to the fact that the screen did not stay up long. I snapped as fast as I could before I had to take it back because it was actually extremely buggy and kept freezing. Just felt the need to to share with the guys. Looks like some are being missed in the lock down lol.
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Can you tell what software version its running?

That doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked. It simply means that the devices scanning utility (SysScope it was called on the S4) detected a change to a file. In the case of the phone you had, it sounds like it was probably do to a faulty board or failing software in a bad unit. The S4s are known to show "custom" for absolutely no reason at all or because of something on the SD card. It usually reverted back to official after a couple of reboots. I'm not trying to be confrontational by asking this, but how can you be an AT&T employee and not know this? Like I said, this question is not a personal attack, but I am wondering if AT&T gives any training on how these devices work in real life and not just on the shelf. Either way, I promise you the bootloader is still locked on that device. The unlocked symbol and custom have nothing at all to do with the bootloader.

Mine shows that also
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pingfl00d said:
Mine shows that also
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Me too. Still not exactly sure what it means unless it's the developer options being enabled.
Edit: Just checked and it's not the developer options...and mine doesn't have the unlock icon anymore actually. I think scott14719 is probably right.

nizbot said:
Me too. Still not exactly sure what it means unless it's the developer options being enabled.
Edit: Just checked and it's not the developer options...and mine doesn't have the unlock icon anymore actually. I think scott14719 is probably right.
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I'm right. If you want more information about it you can search the AT&T S4 forum for relevant threads. There really is a lot of information about it that might answer a lot of potential questions.

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That doesn't mean the bootloader is unlocked. It simply means that the devices scanning utility (SysScope it was called on the S4) detected a change to a file. In the case of the phone you had, it sounds like it was probably do to a faulty board or failing software in a bad unit. The S4s are known to show "custom" for absolutely no reason at all or because of something on the SD card. It usually reverted back to official after a couple of reboots. I'm not trying to be confrontational by asking this, but how can you be an AT&T employee and not know this? Like I said, this question is not a personal attack, but I am wondering if AT&T gives any training on how these devices work in real life and not just on the shelf. Either way, I promise you the bootloader is still locked on that device. The unlocked symbol and custom have nothing at all to do with the bootloader.
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AT&T provides training that is optional for new devices, but there is an article released with relevant information to sell the phone. They do not train employees to check bootloaders, for root, for knox warranty, etc. None of my coworkers know what a bootloader is or what it means to be locked or unlocked. Edit: No training provided by AT&T mentions root, jailbreak, bootloaders, etc etc.
To be on topic, after I switched to ART, the Custom unlocked pad came up, when I switched back to Dalvik, the Custom unlocked padlock went away.

I am also an AT&T COR store employee and none of my coworkers know about that kinda stuff. Not a lick of training is given on that.
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I'll try not to take offense to that....lol. No AT&T does no training for these things. And to be honest with you I am usually pretty knowledgeable when it comes to these things. I have been out of the Samsung scene for a while ( Due to me using my more developer friendly Nexus 5 or my new HTC One M8) so I am now unfamiliar with how these devices handle certain things. I have yet to do anything like change my runtime on the device do to the fact that it only made minor performance changes to my Nexus 5. If I would have I probably would have gotten the same boot screen and then eventually thought nothing of it. Just had a little moment of excitement while on the job lol.
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bnicsk8guy said:
I'll try not to take offense to that....lol. No AT&T does no training for these things. And to be honest with you I am usually pretty knowledgeable when it comes to these things. I have been out of the Samsung scene for a while ( Due to me using my more developer friendly Nexus 5 or my new HTC One M8) so I am now unfamiliar with how these devices handle certain things. I have yet to do anything like change my runtime on the device do to the fact that it only made minor performance changes to my Nexus 5. If I would have I probably would have gotten the same boot screen and then eventually thought nothing of it. Just had a little moment of excitement while on the job lol.
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Definitely no offence intended. I just wish AT&T, Bestbuys, etc... would do a better job of training the people that they expect to sell these devices. Most people don't know the everyday quirks of most devices unless they are given an oppertunity to learn about them.

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Definitely no offence intended. I just wish AT&T, Bestbuys, etc... would do a better job of training the people that they expect to sell these devices. Most people don't know the everyday quirks of most devices unless they are given an oppertunity to learn about them.
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Careful what you wish for!! Last thing I need is someone checking whether my Knox has been tripped or my bootloader unlocked when I do a return :laugh:

As AT&T employees you better get ahold of some higher ups, and let them know they are going to lose lots of customers due to the lock down on their bootloaders of their devices. Many people are ready to switch.

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As AT&T employees you better get ahold of some higher ups, and let them know they are going to lose lots of customers due to the lock down on their bootloaders of their devices. Many people are ready to switch.
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they don't care and anything this guy says will most likely anything this guy says will be ignored

cyberace1985 said:
they don't care and anything this guy says will most likely anything this guy says will be ignored
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Seems to me they should care, they could lose 100's if not 1000's over the next 4 years.

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Seems to me they should care, they could lose 100's if not 1000's over the next 4 years.
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But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.

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But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.
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Your right partially but grand scheme of things = all of their devices that are locked not just s5's. I am just saying that, they are always seeming to pull more customers in with new deals so gaining customers is important to them. So not losing customers should also be important in the same aspect no matter what the percentage is. If they don't care then shame on them.

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Your right partially but grand scheme of things = all of their devices that are locked not just s5's. I am just saying that, they are always seeming to pull more customers in with new deals so gaining customers is important to them. So not losing customers should also be important in the same aspect no matter what the percentage is. If they don't care then shame on them.
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They would love to get everyone 100% satisfied but realistically its impossible so they shoot for the highest number of satisfied people

pcidiot said:
Seems to me they should care, they could lose 100's if not 1000's over the next 4 years.
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No they won't. Who are they going to switch to? Tmobile? Tmobile will be locking down their bootloader as soon as they get the chance. Only reason why they haven't already is because they need as many customers as they can get. Same reason they kept downloader booster...even though they can't afford to keep it. Not to mention, the average user doesn't give a crap about bootloaders or download boosters.

I got the custom message after applying ART.
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cyberace1985 said:
But in the grand scheme of things 100 to thousands isn't that big of a loss. for an example with the s5 I can almost guarantee we are just a small subset of s5 owners the largest portion will never know what root is or have any idea what to do with it. The money they take from the larger portion will cover the expected returns from the 1% who are upset and or mad that they locked the BL.
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You are right I seen an older couple at the att store buying both s5's and it looked like they did not know anything about root. Etc. They are buying the device because of its features and camera. Not saying older people don't mess with the bootloader or anything.
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If I could actually buy one of these watches, it would be great!!!

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If I could actually buy one of these watches, it would be great!!!
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Yea, that'd be so awesome.

It's surprising as I said, more so now that I've had some time with the watch because it's actually pretty good. I get all day battery life, the watch does a decent job of keeping track of my gym time, I find the assistant useful since I mostly use it to set timers, alarms, various simple things play well on the watch that would have been an assistant search or activity on the phone. Lists, notes, recipes, all work well on the watch. An example would be grocery lists, it's nice to walk through the store while simply glancing at the watch instead of pulling the phone.
All similar to what I did with my previous smartwatches but it all works better here due to the combination of (more fluid) hardware pushing the GUI, AW 2.0, along with the rotating crown to quickly scroll. It's not a huge difference but for me it's pushed smartwatch use into a place where I put my watch on in the morning because I want to, not because I tell myself to use it. My day now includes getting schit done with it, before it really didn't.
Anyhow I hope you gents can pick one up soon. It's so dead here I've stopped checking to see if there was anything interesting to learn.

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If I could actually buy one of these watches, it would be great!!!
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Available on best buy now....
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-watc...ver-at-t-titan-silver/5738400.p?skuId=5738400

dadoc04 said:
Available on best buy now....
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-watc...ver-at-t-titan-silver/5738400.p?skuId=5738400
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I'm on Verizon

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I'm on Verizon
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Sorry to hear that...
So you have to buy the watch from Verizon only?
I think u can buy from att, best buy, or Google.... Check out this thread
http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-watch-sport/769934-has-anyone-activated-verizon.html#post5703360

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Sorry to hear that...
So you have to buy the watch from Verizon only?
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From what I understand, I do in order to use LTE. I can get it from Verizon or the Google store, neither have them in stock.

Nah, both Verizon and AT&T are bands 2,4, and 5 as is the watch sold on the Google store. Others are reporting it working, do a search to verify but I think your watch is a few clicks away.

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Nah, both Verizon and AT&T are bands 2,4, and 5 as is the watch sold on the Google store. Others are reporting it working, do a search to verify but I think your watch is a few clicks away.
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That's what i was thinking too

So I ended up buying one from AT&T. When the Verizon rep scanned the IMEI it said invalid. From what I've heard you have to put a SIM in that's already activated for it to work. Some Verizon Reps will do it, some won't. I'll keep you posted as to what I end up doing. I'm happy with it, without LTE.
UPDATE: I put in my SIM out of my tablet, and everything is working as it should.

Question about the Google Ast button.

I came from a samsung phone where you take the bixby button and make it do other things... is there any apps that can do that for the lg..

No, not until we get a bootloader unlock. Damned superficial feature, if you ask me. Whatever happened to assigning a long-press home button to activate the assistant?
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Einsteindks said:
No, not until we get a bootloader unlock. Damned superficial feature, if you ask me. Whatever happened to assigning a long-press home button to activate the assistant?
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meh.. sucks.. really liked that app for my s9+ that could change all the bixby buttons..
I rather not even have the button lol .. if it cant be changed but oh well.. thx for reply

This is incredibly sad that this (potentially) awesome phone is handcuffed by LG and making it less and less desirable every day ... not just for potentially new buyers, but for those of us who loved the V10 and V20's.
I've stopped that button from activating google assistant as it was only intrusive - but now I've a button that's a dead-button and I hate the "non-functionality" of something that could be quite useful for something else.
Can't wait for an unlocked bootloader! ! ! !

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This is incredibly sad that this (potentially) awesome phone is handcuffed by LG and making it less and less desirable every day ... not just for potentially new buyers, but for those of us who loved the V10 and V20's.
I've stopped that button from activating google assistant as it was only intrusive - but now I've a button that's a dead-button and I hate the "non-functionality" of something that could be quite useful for something else.
Can't wait for an unlocked bootloader! ! ! !
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wonder if we will ever see 9.0

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wonder if we will ever see 9.0
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It's sad that LG has been my phone from the V10, V20 (here and Euro), and had a temp V35 till the V40 came out and loved them all ... EXCEPT ... this V40.
Too much wonky crap going on. Apps don't work well on it. SwiftKey, anything Cleeng (they suck as an App developer, even worse on V40), video's from iPhones, notification resets, doesn't fit well on any wireless charging cradle and the list goes on.
Samsung offering $550 plus a set of ear-buds (good ones) to trade in for the Galaxy S10. Sure it's going to be locked up like a bank vault, but that offer includes unlocked versions so I can switch carriers AND it doesn't come with bloatware.
It's a serious consideration for me.

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It's sad that LG has been my phone from the V10, V20 (here and Euro), and had a temp V35 till the V40 came out and loved them all ... EXCEPT ... this V40.
Too much wonky crap going on. Apps don't work well on it. SwiftKey, anything Cleeng (they suck as an App developer, even worse on V40), video's from iPhones, notification resets, doesn't fit well on any wireless charging cradle and the list goes on.
Samsung offering $550 plus a set of ear-buds (good ones) to trade in for the Galaxy S10. Sure it's going to be locked up like a bank vault, but that offer includes unlocked versions so I can switch carriers AND it doesn't come with bloatware.
It's a serious consideration for me.
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hmm any special link? bc i may do that

umx said:
hmm any special link? bc i may do that
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It was a promotion from Samsung in my phone when I was surfing Reddit. I decided to reserve the phone and promotion. Costs me nothing till the phone is released and ready to ship.
I checked on the Samsung website and the offer is there, but you have to dig for it. It wasn't on the first or second page.
Good luck

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It was a promotion from Samsung in my phone when I was surfing Reddit. I decided to reserve the phone and promotion. Costs me nothing till the phone is released and ready to ship.
I checked on the Samsung website and the offer is there, but you have to dig for it. It wasn't on the first or second page.
Good luck
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ok.. ya idk i liked my 9+ but i hated the samsung ui and software..

umx said:
ok.. ya idk i liked my 9+ but i hated the samsung ui and software..
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At least all third-party Apps worked on it and the basic tech of the phone worked when you made a change. For me it's more about the functionality ... I can adapt to the few idiosyncrasies of the Sammy line to get a phone that doesn't have the user "UNFRIENDLY" issues the V40 does. LOLOL
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