Hi,
The water proof feature is nice. However, I prefer sea water for snorkeling etc. So given corrosiveness of salt it's probably not a good idea.
Still from many reports people seem to have it surviving even salt water submersions when not too long and rinsing it immediately afterwards with fresh water.
But i don't want to dessctroy my nice Z3C obviously, so been looking for intermediate solution, like sealed zip bags or so, that would prevent it from too much wate rcontact, and if it leaks or whatever, it will still not die.
Any idea what could be used , if possible not too big to fit the Z3, and still let take some pics?
The phone is not rated for salt water, so I wouldn't want to try it. Salt water splashes from waves are probably fine.
I also wonder if Sony has a way of telling if salt water got in the phone should you have to send it in for warranty service. Plus, it's also gonna be much easier to inadvertently exceed the depth rating in the ocean. Definitely best to get a dry bag of some kind IMO.
Something like this: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1035195-REG/loksak_lok_alok3_4x7_3_aloksak_bags_4_5x7.html
Or this: http://www.amazon.com/FRIEQ®-Universal-Waterproof-Carrying-iPhone/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pd_cp_sg_0
There are a ton of waterproof phone cases/bags out there. Just be sure to pick one that promises super-clear plastic for photos.
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I finally ordered one of these: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AW2QT8I/ref=pe_385040_121528360_TE_dp_1
Will see how it works with the Z3C
Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...
I don't believe the salt will do much good to the oliphobic coating of the screen or audio connector.
We are talking about 30 minutes of contact with salt...? To play it safe you use it in salt water for 20 minutes and then put it in normal water for 5 minutes and all the salt is gone...?
And by the way are both the power button and the audio connector made of aluminium...? And why would salt ruin the oliphobic coating of the screen...?
I could understand if pool water with chlorine could do something to the screen but since Sony advertise that you can use it in the pool then that shouldn't be a problem...
Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine
cyphomatic said:
Salt is more corrosive unlike chlorine
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In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...
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In contact with iron, yes...Plastic, glass and aluminium, no - not for a 30 minute contact...
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Indeed, I believe that the audio connector might be a weak spot. It sure isn't aluminum. I had other waterproof equipment before with an audioconnector that came into contact with seawater, wich turned out very bad. I won't take a chance.
I will try my Z3c within a week or so when I'm in the Canary Islands.
Have used my previous phone, Xperia ZR, in saltwater many times. No problem at all!
Dont do it. The water proof is only for freshwater.
You may want to read this page : http://support.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperiaz3compact/dm/water-and-dust-resistance/
Never immerse your device in salt water or let the micro USB port, headset jack or other uncovered parts come into contact with salt water. If you’re washing dishes by hand, avoid letting your device come into contact with the detergent or any other liquid chemicals.
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If your Sony smartphone or tablet is waterproof to IPX8 standard*, then you can use it in a chlorinated swimming pool. However, avoid keeping the device in the pool for too long and remember to rinse it off thoroughly with fresh water once you get out.
Over time, chlorinated water can corrode the rubber seals, so prolonged use in chlorinated water is not recommended. But if you want to use your device to get underwater close-ups of a spectacular dive or your child’s first swimming lesson, go ahead.
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Apart from the fact that Sony says don't immerse the phone in salt water, common sense suggests the copper contacts of the mag charger and headphone jack will not fair well (salt water will leave a nice oxide layer on both, which will impact the conductivity). A few minutes and very careful cleaning of the jack (not just a quick rinse) will probably be OK, but then we also have no idea how the glass coating, camera lens coating and various waterproofing membranes will fair in salt water. Knowing the corrosive nature of salt water and Sony's warning I certainly wouldn't risk dunking it in the ocean. YMMV
There was one story of a z2 that survived after being submerged for 6 weeks in salt water
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...g-submerged-in-salt-water-for-6-weeks_id59223
I've used both my previous Z1 Compact and now my Z3 Compact in saltwater, not an issue at all.
Just pour some fresh water on it afterwards.
Blue grotto, long swim from gradola. no problem later
Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof
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Use a condom, tie a knot waterproof
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For playing safe, you should use one of those waterproof bags for smartphones if you want to take your phone for dives in salt water so necesserily.
You would normally be right
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Excuse me... Why should the Z3C not be waterproof in saltwater???
I really cannot see the problem? It is not that saltwater is more wet than "normal" water...
The saltwater will leave some salt when it is dry but you could easily remove this by putting the Z3C in water without salt for some minutes...
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However, the frame is aluminium, which doesn't play nice with salt water.
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Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?
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Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?
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seawater may damage the rubber seals. it might leave residue of salt
CressKH said:
Hi all,
As described by XZR IP58 rating, the water proof capability is 1.5meters for 30 minutes in fresh water only.
I wonder what they really mean, and what will happen if I submerge my phone in other medium, salt water - sea for example.
I mean hey, all these waterproof is just about the water pressure exerting on the phone right?
What if I take the phone and go into the sea for <1meter and <5mins?
Has anyone try that?
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Its the microscopic salt crystals which could form if not rinsed properly with fresh water which could then corrode the rubber seals.
Not sure if I am going to try it but if you do I would recommend thoroughly rinsing with fresh water after it has been submerged in salt sea water.
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seawater may damage the rubber seals. it might leave residue of salt
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just back from 3 days snorkeling trip. had been submerging it in sea water all the time while snorkeling. Nothing big damaged, but got a rusted part measuring about 2x2 mm around the speaker area and some salt residue stuck at the edge of the lower speaker
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just back from 3 days snorkeling trip. had been submerging it in sea water all the time while snorkeling. Nothing big damaged, but got a rusted part measuring about 2x2 mm around the speaker area and some salt residue stuck at the edge of the lower speaker
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Since water does get in the back, outside of the battery rubber seal, I am thinking there are plenty of parts there that might be damaged by salt residue. If I put it in salt water, I would make sure to wash it very well after, and also open the back and try to clean somehow the areas outside of the battery rubber seal.
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Since water does get in the back, outside of the battery rubber seal, I am thinking there are plenty of parts there that might be damaged by salt residue. If I put it in salt water, I would make sure to wash it very well after, and also open the back and try to clean somehow the areas outside of the battery rubber seal.
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gammalerik said:
Meh. This is just too lousy. The IP-certification covers 50% of the total area, allowing water to accumulate behind the back cover. Just like the S4. This is just an accident waiting to happen. -Purchase aborted.
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For real? Where is the logic in this..first see whats the difference between the 58 and 57 IP Certification.and second if it covers only 50% of the device it will be damaged on the first drop in water...Just watch abit news go on youtube and see what the xperia V that have only 57 cert.did 4 days under whater and they found it at tha bottom of the sea and it was working perfectly.. I don't think that Sony are creating phones which are ''waiting for an accident to happen''ones ^^
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For real? Where is the logic in this..first see whats the difference between the 58 and 57 IP Certification.and second if it covers only 50% of the device it will be damaged on the first drop in water...Just watch abit news go on youtube and see what the xperia V that have only 57 cert.did 4 days under whater and they found it at tha bottom of the sea and it was working perfectly.. I don't think that Sony are creating phones which are ''waiting for an accident to happen''ones ^^
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what he meant is that the water will go behind the back cover as far as the rubber seals. and when removing the back cover then the remaining water behind the cover may get in direct contact with the exposed battery and other inner eletronics. it is advised to be extremely careful when removing the back cover of a phone that has recently been exposed to water.
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what he meant is that the water will go behind the back cover as far as the rubber seals. and when removing the back cover then the remaining water behind the cover may get in direct contact with the exposed battery and other inner eletronics. it is advised to be extremely careful when removing the back cover of a phone that has recently been exposed to water.
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Uh,got the point now its true.
Thanks guys for the info.
The battery is indeed vulnerable if you are to open the cover after submerging the phone into water recently.
I will RECONSIDER if I'm on a vacation to seaside.
I have tried mine in Italy for a minute - no more. Then rinsed it later on.
Tiny sandcrystals and remains of salt water - as others already replied correctly - may not be friends.
And also, after a "water session" when everything dried, remove the back and with a cloth dry any tiny spots that INDEED get behind the back.
With time and use the back may seal even worse.
I think however, that the whole phone is sort of sealed (or at least better sealed in general) against water getting behind the back.
Xperia V can take dip in the pool or in the sea to take pictures?
- IP57 certified - dust and water resistant
- Water proof up to 1 meter and 30 minutes
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- IP57 certified - dust and water resistant
- Water proof up to 1 meter and 30 minutes
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any type of water? will not affect my water screen with enough amount of chlorine or sea water?
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any type of water? will not affect my water screen with enough amount of chlorine or sea water?
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You should avoid sea water and chlorine. Although I did a test in a pool, it's probably not a good idea. And the screen becomes sticky until cleaned out.
The warranty states that the phone can be exposed to clean water only. Anything else will void it.
I took it with me into the pool and sea a number of times. Water was splashing all over it, here and then I was taking shots from underwater. After finishing however I found some spots water remaining under the cover (outside the sealed area). After each water session it is necessary to immediately rinse the phone with clean water and dry it, in particular the unsealed area under the rear cover (of course not rinse the inside).
To my opinion this is the way all phones should be build. It is nice to know that dropping the device into a water will not kill it, or not needing to worry about transporting it in the outside pocket during my motorbike or bicycle rides. I am not convinced however regarding the long term sealing capabilities of the USB port. I feel there should be a factory charging dock included with the phone, or obtainable for a significantly more reasonable price.than the DK25.
This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
Just wait, I accidentally splashed mine, the moisture notification disappeared after some 4 hours, it depends on ambient conditions, where I live it is 100% humid 24 hours, as I live 200 meters away from the beach..
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Just wait, I accidentally splashed mine, the moisture notification disappeared after some 4 hours, it depends on ambient conditions, where I live it is 100% humid 24 hours, as I live 200 meters away from the beach..
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The notification has gone but the phone is getting warm and it feels dampy.
I knoknows that depends of aambient conditions but I feel it different...
Thanks for your comment
Regards
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This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
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I would try putting your phone in a bag of rice overnight to draw any water out that may have been forced in from the pressure of the running water. Never use soap on your phone or place it under running water. The soap lubricates the water and allows it to be more easily forced where it wasn't intended to go. I just use a microfiber cloth with lens cleaning solution sprayed on the cloth. Even doing this causes the moisture detected warning for a few.
Buy some anti-bacterial wipes to clean your phone with. There is absolutely no need to wash it with soap and water.
Conito11 said:
This is the first time since 5 months that I trythe ip68 certificate just putting the phone under water in the handwash to wash the entire phone.
How much time do I need to wait to disappear the notification of USB port wet? It seems that the phone is getting hot. Also I use handsoap for wash it. Hope that not be a big deal...
There is something that I can do to get normal again?
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Why on earth royals tu nerd soap to clean a phone? The i68 rating is about water resistance of under water. At 1 mtr for 30 minutes.. My figures may be wrong as they change from ip67 to ip68 but the point here is that you're not supposed yo it it under a tap!
He depth and time of water resistance is defined in these certifications because it is about pressure and time.. Eg The phone can hold up to the pressure at 1 mtr of hat ever depth has been mentioned in the rating for a maximum of the time given in the rating.
If it is 5 mtr 15 minutes, then it will not be damaged by water if it's 5 mrt see for 15 minutes max.. As time increases the pressure on the seals can and probably will get water into The phone.
Remember it is water resistant not waterproof! With a tap The after comes out with pressure and that could cause one of the seals to fail.
Also, soapy water is better at conducting electricity, it could have shorted out the phone and you would have a spotless but dead note 8.
Water resistant does not mean water proof and it certainly does not mean dunking the phone in water all the time. It is a safety measure which helps if you accidentally get it wet or drop it in a puddle.
The guys testing phones on YouTube are different as they try to push the limits but do not recommend it for others to follow or repeat Their tests
This us long but I see a lot of people are unaware and say their phone is waterproof.. I recently met a guy at a cellphone shop that is run by my friend.. The guy had an IPhone 7 or 7s or 7s+ if there's one.
He got it wet accidentally, spilled water on it and it died.. I asked him whether he went to apple he said he did and they want Rs. 35000 which is $500 to replace it.
I told him that it is supposed to be ip67 or ip68 so they should cover it under warranty.. But they never offered him this solution..
Don't you think it is wrong that they claim water resistance and it dies because of a splash and they do not cover it?
Hope this helps..
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Why on earth royals tu nerd soap to clean a phone? The i68 rating is about water resistance of under water. At 1 mtr for 30 minutes.. My figures may be wrong as they change from ip67 to ip68 but the point here is that you're not supposed yo it it under a tap!
He depth and time of water resistance is defined in these certifications because it is about pressure and time.. Eg The phone can hold up to the pressure at 1 mtr of hat ever depth has been mentioned in the rating for a maximum of the time given in the rating.
If it is 5 mtr 15 minutes, then it will not be damaged by water if it's 5 mrt see for 15 minutes max.. As time increases the pressure on the seals can and probably will get water into The phone.
Remember it is water resistant not waterproof! With a tap The after comes out with pressure and that could cause one of the seals to fail.
Also, soapy water is better at conducting electricity, it could have shorted out the phone and you would have a spotless but dead note 8.
Water resistant does not mean water proof and it certainly does not mean dunking the phone in water all the time. It is a safety measure which helps if you accidentally get it wet or drop it in a puddle.
The guys testing phones on YouTube are different as they try to push the limits but do not recommend it for others to follow or repeat Their tests
This us long but I see a lot of people are unaware and say their phone is waterproof.. I recently met a guy at a cellphone shop that is run by my friend.. The guy had an IPhone 7 or 7s or 7s+ if there's one.
He got it wet accidentally, spilled water on it and it died.. I asked him whether he went to apple he said he did and they want Rs. 35000 which is $500 to replace it.
I told him that it is supposed to be ip67 or ip68 so they should cover it under warranty.. But they never offered him this solution..
Don't you think it is wrong that they claim water resistance and it dies because of a splash and they do not cover it?
Hope this helps..
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Nice opinion and as you Said: waterproof is not the same like water resistant.
As I have seen reading several posts regarding this issue about claiming warranty due to water damage, it is very difficult if not impossible to get a device fixed by means of warranty under this circumstances, because the damage might be caused by exceeding the max allowed depth, or the time it was submerged and, if the device was put into a strong flow of water, as they can not verify anything about these possible scenarios, they refuse to make valid the warranty
This week I decided wash my device with tap water and for my surprise I realized a few hours later that my cameras was with water inside... I never let it fell down and I was shocked with the "protection" and even more after reading that Huawei doesn't guarantee protection against water...
So if it really has IP68, what's the point?
Anyone had trouble with water?
Still don't understand why people purposely put their expensive smartphones under water. regardless of the IP68 spec
It's a very sensitive electronic device which may or may not be correctly sealed, keep the IP68 rating for when it rains or when you accidentally get it wet, don't put it under water on purpose...
And why did you only check Huawei's water policy 'after' you put it in water? Why not check these things first?
Plus, how dirty was your phone that you needed to put it under the tap? A damp cloth would have been better no?
I'm fully understanding the last message, and as you I'm not gonna put my phone willingly under water...To clean it... Or anything else!
BUT, in other hand, huawei worked (and marketed communication) to put an ip certification on it and we all paid for it too.... Not 'the only' feature but it's part of the price for that product.
Will anyone say 'ok it's fine' if your water-resistant watch is filled with water after you've washed your hands or done some dishes?
Could be a 10€ ones or 15k€...water-resistant or ip is still the same... Even more with a device like this phone which was launched around 1k€.
Will somebody say 'ok...' too if your brand new jacket which was sold as bullet proof is scratch by a paintball ? ...
Etc etc.
OK : don't look to damage your stuff willingly
Not OK : companies wash their hands so easily...
Hope your device get repaired !
Or put in rice bag for the night ... Old style always relieved
Tapa'DoC'eD
Did you bought it from an official seller??? Because there are a lot of cheap refurbished that they don't mention this of course.
I had a scare with my p30pro. Walked into a swimming pool with my phone in my swimming shorts. Phone fell out and stayed under water for approx 5mins in under 1m depth. Got the phone out and dried it with a towel. Had phone microphone issues for two days after that - people on a call could not hear me properly, but all issues cleared out after a couple of days, so I'm guessing there was some water stuck in mic holes that had to dry out. Since then, I had no issues so I'm guessing IP68 rating was true in my case
I've used mine in the Mediterranean Sea, no problems so far. Multiple times under water.
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I've used mine in the Mediterranean Sea, no problems so far. Multiple times under water.
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You know what salt water does to electronics right?
Even if the water doesn't cause a problem the salt will corrode the contacts for charger etc
Can I swim with my smartphone?
We certainly wouldn’t recommend swimming with your phone. When the IEC tests a smartphone it’s done under lab conditions, with the handset in standby mode – not in a swimming pool full of various chemicals used to cleanse the water.
The same applies to the ocean. Seawater is full of salt, a mineral device-makers stress isn’t tested when the unit is being put through its paces for an IP rating, so we’d also strongly suggest steering clear of that.
Let’s be clear here: the rating the International Electrotechnical Commission assigns is strictly for fresh water. That means it doesn’t guarantee protection from submersion in other liquids – beer, coffee, salt water and soda, to name but a few.
https://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/what-is-ip68-ip-ratings-explained-2947135
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You know what salt water does to electronics right?
Even if the water doesn't cause a problem the salt will corrode the contacts for charger etc
Can I swim with my smartphone?
We certainly wouldn’t recommend swimming with your phone. When the IEC tests a smartphone it’s done under lab conditions, with the handset in standby mode – not in a swimming pool full of various chemicals used to cleanse the water.
The same applies to the ocean. Seawater is full of salt, a mineral device-makers stress isn’t tested when the unit is being put through its paces for an IP rating, so we’d also strongly suggest steering clear of that.
Let’s be clear here: the rating the International Electrotechnical Commission assigns is strictly for fresh water. That means it doesn’t guarantee protection from submersion in other liquids – beer, coffee, salt water and soda, to name but a few.
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Yes, Did plug my port on the bottom first and give it 'normal' water bath afterwards.
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Yes, Did plug my port on the bottom first and give it 'normal' water bath afterwards.
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You will destroy your phone, hope you are rich
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You will destroy your phone, hope you are rich
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It'll be fine. Well worth the footage I got.
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It'll be fine. Well worth the footage I got.
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No, putting a smartphone into the sea will not be fine, but carry on
Hybrid Soldier said:
This week I decided wash my device with tap water and for my surprise I realized a few hours later that my cameras was with water inside... I never let it fell down and I was shocked with the "protection" and even more after reading that Huawei doesn't guarantee protection against water...
So if it really has IP68, what's the point?
Anyone had trouble with water?
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never had any issue like this and i do clean my mobile like this quite often even cleaned it with soap on many occasions.
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never had any issue like this and i do clean my mobile like this quite often even cleaned it with soap on many occasions.
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Then you've been lucky so far, that's all, every time you put it in the sea it starts to eat away at the metal contacts, sooner or later they will fail, then you will be here on XDA asking why and how to fix it
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It'll be fine. Well worth the footage I got.
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There is a dedicated underwater case for P30 pro and underwater photo mode.
Much cheaper than new phone IMO, if you're into underwater photos.
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Then you've been lucky so far, that's all, every time you put it in the sea it starts to eat away at the metal contacts, sooner or later they will fail, then you will be here on XDA asking why and how to fix it
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I guess that you confused users, this guy said that he ony washed the device, no put in the sea (like mine)
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I guess that you confused users, this guy said that he ony washed the device, no put in the sea (like mine)
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Doesn't matter really, purposely putting your phone under any water isn't the best idea, they do not come advertising that you can do that, there is no picture of the phone under the water taking photos to show you what you can do with it, it is literally just a rating to say it is water 'resistant' and even then, only at a certain depth for a certain length of time, under lab conditions, so in other words, Not waterproof at all as it will eventually leak in, that alone tells me some devices will be better sealed than others, which has already been shown by people complaining water got in the camera and display
Your phone your choice, just don't come making threads on XDA asking how to fix it when it all goes wrong
Yes it has IP68, I tried putting it on a pool and under a waterfall. Just don't let your speaker grill and charging port submerged in the water for a long period
Wait i thought the p30 pro was waterproof???
Phone is IP68 rated. It can survive underwater. IP68 is great if you are under a rain shower or if the phone falls accidentally in water. Well, I use it in the shower and i wash it under tap water. Never had any problem. Remember that, if the membrane of mic gets wet, the quality of your voice will be worse.
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Wait i thought the p30 pro was waterproof???
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IP68 is splash proof only, not really a waterproof, even Samsung's S & Note series
so i just got my xperia 1ii today, i was wiping the screen with a bit of wet cloth before sticking on the screen protector, then i saw mist on the front facing camera, next thing i know it screen starts to flicker and turn green, then it died, it was a sad day for me, is it possible for water to get in an ip68 phone when brand new?
it was also kinda my fault for using wet cloth, but like all my other ip68 phones this never happened to me T _ T
WYSIWYG... yes it's possible.
Never assume the seals are intact. Protect from water exposure at all times is what I do.
Will Sony warranty cover it???
I am not sure about Sony's warranty on user error.
There is nothing in the box stating anything about warranty. I bought it online but there is a physical shop that I collected the phone from.
I left it in a bag of rice for 10 hours but the screen still turn up black screen with some odd lines and shut itself down, I feel so dumb for causing this, I usually do the same way of installing screen protectors for my Z3+,Z5 and XZ and water never got in, I feel so embarrassed and unlucky T_ T
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The phone needs to be powered down and the battery disconnected asap. Otherwise it will likely be destroyed if it isn't already. It needs to then be completely dried out.
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Battle it out with Sony.
Obviously the first option is incompatible with the second option. I'd send the mess back to Sony, they may or may not suck it up easily.
Sony is a pain to deal with...
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Rice Doesn't Work!
The phone needs to be powered down and the battery disconnected asap. Otherwise it will likely be destroyed if it isn't already. It needs to then be completely dried out.
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Obviously the first option is incompatible with the second option. I'd send the mess back to Sony, they may or may not suck it up easily.
Sony is a pain to deal with...
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Sony is hard to deal with, ya so I've heard, too bad stores are not open today or tomorrow need to wait till Monday.
damn it I bought rice for nothing.
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Sony is hard to deal with, ya so I've heard, too bad stores are not open today or tomorrow need to wait till Monday.
damn it I bought rice for nothing.
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I know Sony well, as I have torn into them multiple occasions. They are rotten to the core.
That however doesn't mean that a loose chainsaw can't find an artery
I'm one of the few customers who's gotten a refund check and spoke with a VP in Teterboro NJ. They are slime... the VP's are the worst; a midlevel manager is more likely to help you if you slip through one of the cracks in customer support.
If they take back without trouble, fine.
Otherwise better buckle up Dorothy, it's going be a rough ride.
Did you use a MC or Visa to make the purchase? If so you got leverage...
Send unit back for refund of replacement and do a charge back through the bank.
Do you want another? If not be clear you want a full refund.
Here's the thing I live in Malaysia, I bought it online, and these guys are a small retail start-ups.
They Imported the device from Hong Kong cause we are kinda short on phones that are price above $600. Malaysians don't really spend much on buying new phones hence the difficulty to find high end phones locally, especially Sony, not a popular pick in recent times.
Visa here doesn't even provide any leverage hahaha.
would try to send it back to their local store tomorrow.
I would actually like to get replace to be honest, but some how I have doubts in my mind saying that its gonna be super thought ride.
Have the rear cover removed, disconnect the battery*. Is there visible water in it?
Get out as much as possible.
You need a warm, dry room. Lay on side with a high volume fan on it. Let sit for a couple days.
If you can get anhydrous isopropyl alcohol** carefully flush with that to remove the water. Use care as if it gets between the glass and display it will leave a water mark. Then dry as above.
All connectors, everything must be 100% dry before you reconnect the battery. The room must be dry, heat drives out moisture; use a hot box if you must. Keep temperature under 110F. This may save it...
*the sooner the better.
** never use methanol or isopropyl that isn't at least 96% alcohol. Never use any solvent including isopropyl alcohol with LCD display, it will poison it!
I don't dare to remove the back cover, wont that void the warranty?
I think water got in the LCD connectors, cause last time I turn it on I has weird flickering and turns green with vertical lines.
SinclairLen said:
I don't dare to remove the back cover, wont that void the warranty?
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Yes it might.
That's a AMOLED display not a LCD...
I got some silica gel put in an air tight jar, its been sitting over night since yesterday, hope it turns on tomorrow, or else I am gonna feel so awkward when I bring it to their store.
Damn I've never brought a Xperia phone or any phone in for water damage or any sort of claim warranty before, its giving me the shakes.
SinclairLen said:
I got some silica gel put in an air tight jar, its been sitting over night since yesterday, hope it turns on tomorrow, or else I am gonna feel so awkward when I bring it to their store.
Damn I've never brought a Xperia phone or any phone in for water damage or any sort of claim warranty before, its giving me the shakes.
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That will do nothing. Do Not power it up.
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So I brought it to the store, there was a bit of resistance there, but in the end they allow me to bring it back in for a check.
They say hopefully there is no red on the water damage sticker, cause if there is, they cant help, but if its just faulty they can replace the phone.
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Yes it might.
That's a AMOLED display not a LCD...
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Sony use since xperia 1 an Oled display and not Amoled.
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That will do nothing. Do Not power it up.
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You'd be surprised at what silica dessicant beads can do.
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You'd be surprised at what silica dessicant beads can do.
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Heat drives out moisture. You need air circulation as well for best results. With a sealed phone that isn't going to cut it.
First any free standing water needs to be dumped out... that's sort of funny, but true.
If you every dealt with flood damaged cars the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. Powered on circuits can be damaged irreparably in a short amount of time. A lot depends on the conductivity of the water and how long it sits there. If the battery was disconnected the car may be salvageable.
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Heat drives out moisture. You need air circulation as well for best results. With a sealed phone that isn't going to cut it.
First any free standing water needs to be dumped out... that's sort of funny, but true.
If you every dealt with flood damaged cars the magnitude of the problem becomes clear. Powered on circuits can be damaged irreparably in a short amount of time. A lot depends on the conductivity of the water and how long it sits there. If the battery was disconnected the car may be salvageable.
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Heat can help but the point is to make the air inside the bag extremely dry. Air readily absorbs moisture, which eventually evaporates. Very true about keeping everything turned off; while deionized water is non conductive and won't bother anything, most accidental spills and drops are in contaminated water which not only can be conductive, but may leave behind trace elements as it evaporates.
Still, I've had quite good success with desiccant rescue bags.
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Heat can help but the point is to make the air inside the bag extremely dry. Air readily absorbs moisture, which eventually evaporates. Very true about keeping everything turned off; while deionized water is non conductive and won't bother anything, most accidental spills and drops are in contaminated water which not only can be conductive, but may leave behind trace elements as it evaporates.
Still, I've had quite good success with desiccant rescue bags.
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I've cleaned thousands of circuit boards over to remove the flux. Sticking them in a sealed container with dry air is one thing I never did to dry them. Anhydrous sopropyl alcohol is an excellent cleaning/drying agent for most electronics, but needs a dry room to avoid condensation as it evaporates. Dry warm/hot air with high air flow is best for both isopropyl and water. Most times I also used compressed air to knock off the solvent/water beads then dry the pcbs. A high air flow blower of a large shop vac was another favorite for drying them.
Heat drives out moisture ie hot box. Hot boxes have been used for over a century especially in humid climates to preserve surgical instruments, camera equipment and electronics. Works regardless of the outside humidity. The box or cabinet is sealed but not completely air tight.
The surgery room at Pennhurst actually had it's surgery instrument cabinets lined in the back with steam heated radiators, circa about 1900.
They had large glass doors.
You could vacuum dry it though as this be very effective but again the cover should to be removed at the minimum. It's easy to make a small vacuum chamber, the vacuum pump doesn't need to pull a high vacuum to work well at a warm temperature.
Desiccant bags are best used to keep sealed items dry rather than to remove water per se.
I use them to protect lens.
As for the conductivity of the water it's a crap shoot. It could be mixed with sweat, be acidic, or otherwise contaminated.
I used RO water to flush my Buds case when it fell into a full cup of coffee, cream and sugar. The RO water to chase the sugar, then anhydrous isopropyl alcohol to chase the cream and water. Allowed it to dry in the sun and in a room for a day with the spot welded battery in it. I had the case torn apart and flushed within 5 minutes. 2 years later it still works normally. I drank the coffee after I cleaned the case, perfect day
Silica gel works to a degree on my phone, the screen was able to turn on with the start-up logo but as soon it turns on it restarts itself.
I guess two day wasn't enough, especially on phones that are partially sealed, but I guess its true, not all phones are made equal when it comes to waterproof, I remember my XZ was completely waterproof, the swimming pool kind of waterproof.
Its like buying a lottery when you get a phone that fails its waterproof.
still waiting for update from the seller hahaha.