Is anyone else having bad battery life after the update? Cell Standby and Phone Idle used to draw most of the power before the update, now they're low on the list however Android OS is eating all the juice now. Android OS gets up to almost 70% usage overnight and the battery drains a good 30% or more just sitting idle for 6 hours.
I installed a program called watch dog and it's telling me that "Base System" seems to be the culprit with lots of CPU use, particularly when the phone is idle. I've tried a variety of things like uninstalling recent apps I downloaded, disabling the 4G and 3G radios, trying airplane mode, changing settings, etc. and nothing has made a difference. Really want to avoid trying resetting to factory default.
Have you tried recalibrating the battery or tried bump charging?
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Since I use my nav dock in my truck to stream Pandora over my stereo, it gets charged several times a day; however, Android OS is now my big drain as well, where it used to be idle or screen using the most. Since unplugging exactly two hours ago, it has drained down to 70% on the stock battery. (I only use my extended battery when I will be away from a charger for a long time. Makes the phone too thick for my pocket to be comfortable.)
On a seperate note, Google Voice now hangs my screen as well when listening to voicemail. Hey, at least I don't get the random reboots and power ups... :what:
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I doubt calibrating will fix the issue because I don't think that's the problem. A system process appears to be hanging and causing the CPU to run constantly. Maybe a bad update install?
Either way I used to get much better battery life before the update. Never had any of the random reboots or many issues with data like others.
My battery life seems somewhat worse after the update. Everything else seems somewhat improved.
My battery seems about the same if not slightly better after the update.
I do a few things to conserve battery which really conserve the battery.
1. 4G off unless I need it.
2. Battery mode set to 'maximum battery saver'.
3. WiFi sleep policy: When screen turns off (although I think the maximum battery saver will turn it off automatically)
4. Display brightness: 0% unless I need it.
Just as the title says is the power saver options like CPU and data connection really useful as well as the "sleep mode" option in power settings or are they making battery life worse?
If they are power savings options i don't see any reason why it would drain even more?
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shahkam said:
If they are power savings options i don't see any reason why it would drain even more?
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well according to this quote from another thread on xda in the sprint htc one forum,so I wasn't sure because it says it does make it worse.
"Power Saver mode will not save you any remarkable amount of battery unless you are maxing out the CPU or GPU (like playing games). Since what it does under the cover (besides what it advertises in the options) is downclock the CPU, this can actually be a detriment to battery life. It is better for battery life for the CPU to run at max speed for very short periods, and then go to sleep. It uses more power by running slower (and thus staying awake longer)."
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link to the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2347615&highlight=power+saver
Anyone?
I keep the power saver on most of the time. The main things I notice is that it dims the display (not really an issue if you work indoors) and it disables the wifi and data connections after periods of inactivity.
No real downsides (I'd be curious to hear other people's experiences). Sometimes receiving WhatsApp messages takes a couple extra minutes if the data/wifi connection goes to sleep.
Seems to give me good battery life - I average 15-18 hours, and that's including a fair amount of on-screen time and music/podcasts during the day.
I used power saver quite a bit in the 2 months after I got the phone but I don't use it anymore. In my experience it helped very little (as in added an hour or 2 maybe to overall life per charge). My baseline average battery life is 21hrs GSam tells me, and that's without power saver on at all (wifi, nfc, cellular always on and screen at 100%) and about 3hrs screen on time.
It may just be that, as was mentioned above, my use doesn't utilize the benefits of power saver because I don't often do cpu intensive things. It did run a bit cooler though. I also prevented the mode from diming the screen. I always (and still do) found that most of my power was going to the system (apps etc) @80% even with the screen maxed, and that I would lose about 20% overnight with our without power saver. So I stopped using it because : 1. It didn't improve MY USE 2. I didn't like the notification icon 3. I hear really good things about Battery Guru from experienced XDAers and the app seems more intelligent than power saver to me so I use that now. Unfortunately it's still too early to tell how much this will increase my average usage.
Regarding the issue of damaging your battery, the way it was brought up refers to the number of charge - discharge cycles a battery has. So only something that discharges the battery more quickly (so that you have to do another charge cycle more quickly) will shorten the battery's life. If nothing else, logically using power saver would not do this. It won't hurt the battery and may not hurt your usage (remember the GPU can still run at full clock for games), but I don't think it will help you much either based on my experience.
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racingmatt1 said:
well according to this quote from another thread on xda in the sprint htc one forum,so I wasn't sure because it says it does make it worse.
"Power Saver mode will not save you any remarkable amount of battery unless you are maxing out the CPU or GPU (like playing games). Since what it does under the cover (besides what it advertises in the options) is downclock the CPU, this can actually be a detriment to battery life. It is better for battery life for the CPU to run at max speed for very short periods, and then go to sleep. It uses more power by running slower (and thus staying awake longer)."
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link to the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2347615&highlight=power+saver
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dont believe everything you see online. All it does it limit the CPU, as opposed to running 1700mhz, its capped at 1134mhz, this is not detrimental.
it takes power to make power, undervolting and downclocking processors has been repeatedly proven to assist and aid battery life.
it takes a certain balance or the two to get great results. Mind you the stock kernel is great but its adaptive. So dont be discouraged when seeing bad battery life initially.
If I leave my phone off charge overnight, I usually loose around 5%. If I turn powersaver on, I only loose 1-2%. This is with around 8-10 hours of no usage, with wifi on. It also turns off vibration feedback when using the back and home keys.
I've also noticed the phone to be slightly less responsive with power saver on. As far as I can tell, if you are concerned whether your battery will last you the few more hours you need, it will definitely help save power
It makes a difference and if you need the extra juice it will help you.
However, the amount of difference depends on your use.
If I am using Snapdragon Battery Guru should I deactivate Power Saver? Is the Power Saver a better/worse solution or a complementary one for optimising battery life?
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If I am using Snapdragon Battery Guru should I deactivate Power Saver? Is the Power Saver a better/worse solution or a complementary one for optimising battery life?
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Theoretically they should work together fine because Battery Guru studies what you do with your phone so that it can figure out what to prioritize and what to shut down - it adapts so it should adapt to the power saver situation. Underclocking the cpu shouldn't change what services it adjusts because you're still doing all the same things.
Battery Guru just finished "learning" on my phone yesterday so I don't know how good it is. But I lost 40% overnight for some reason which has never happened before. It's probably still adapting. Life seems to be better during use...
The comment above about the OS being adaptive is also very true, my first few charge cycles were dismal but they got better within a week (without power saver etc.)
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Theoretically they should work together fine because Battery Guru studies what you do with your phone so that it can figure out what to prioritize and what to shut down - it adapts so it should adapt to the power saver situation. Underclocking the cpu shouldn't change what services it adjusts because you're still doing all the same things.
Battery Guru just finished "learning" on my phone yesterday so I don't know how good it is. But I lost 40% overnight for some reason which has never happened before. It's probably still adapting. Life seems to be better during use...
The comment above about the OS being adaptive is also very true, my first few charge cycles were dismal but they got better within a week (without power saver etc.)
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Ya I'm using Juice Defender Plus on my HTC one running 4.1.2 for a few months now and I'm not sure if it's making too much of difference. Are you finding Battery Curu pretty decent?
I turned it off on my wife's HTC One. It was disabling data/wifi after several minutes inactivity, which caused FB Messenger to freak out and stay awake, which caused the battery to drain faster than if the data was just left on.
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If I leave my phone off charge overnight, I usually loose around 5%. If I turn powersaver on, I only loose 1-2%. This is with around 8-10 hours of no usage, with wifi on. It also turns off vibration feedback when using the back and home keys.
I've also noticed the phone to be slightly less responsive with power saver on. As far as I can tell, if you are concerned whether your battery will last you the few more hours you need, it will definitely help save power
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Hmm... If I leave my phone off the charger overnight after a full charge with power saver with WiFi on for 6 hours it will be down to 95% with no usage.
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Ya I'm using Juice Defender Plus on my HTC one running 4.1.2 for a few months now and I'm not sure if it's making too much of difference. Are you finding Battery Curu pretty decent?
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Sorry still to early to tell really, it's learning period ended yesterday so it'll take time for GSam to find the new average usage. But again it SEEMS to have improved drain during use. I'm really not sure what the drain last night was but if it happens again tonight the app is gone...
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Hmm... If I leave my phone off the charger overnight after a full charge with power saver with WiFi on for 6 hours it will be down to 95% with no usage.
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I used to have a higher drain, but after some research, I found out using betterbatterystats that google maps was waking up the phone often and preventing sleep. I corrected this by disabling "report from this device" in google maps settings.
Before this, I experienced similar battery drain with power saver on.
From experience, it's best to determine phone sleep time and app battery usage, and correct this to achieve the best life.
I'm currently able to get two days with light usage without power saver!
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Sorry still to early to tell really, it's learning period ended yesterday so it'll take time for GSam to find the new average usage. But again it SEEMS to have improved drain during use. I'm really not sure what the drain last night was but if it happens again tonight the app is gone...
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I changed my mind, I'm consistently losing 40% per night after Battery Guru activated. I can't confirm that this app is the problem, but it's never happened before and I haven't changed anything but adding the app. Maybe just me experience though.
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I've uninstalled BatteryGuru for the same reason
I'm relatively certain that for many people this is super old news, but I'd like to share this anyway just in case it helps anyone (and a bit because I'm just so impressed by how it works )
I've tried a few different power saving strategies on this phone and have been disappointed with all, including just keeping power saver on all the time. I would always lose 20-40% overnight no matter what I did. I should also clarify that it is not acceptable for me to just disable a bunch of things to get that drain under control. So one day I turned on power saver (everything checked off) and just turned off wifi, and I've been doing it ever since because now I only lose 5-10% over night maybe a strange thing to be excited about considering my other devices lose as little as 1% in that time with nothing turned off, but everything's relative.
I think now I'll try keeping wifi off and power saver on throughout the day and see what I get. Though I'm not sure I like the thought of data being turned off during the day when the screen isn't on...
For me at least this is the single best battery saving thing I've ever done on my One.
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What you mean by saying that you "turned on power saver (everything checked off)"? What Power Saver does if everything is checked off? I suppose like that it actually doing nothing. If you uncheck everything and turn it on isn't the same as turning Power Saver off?
I have noticed significant battery drain lately. When I first started using the Moto X I was getting 24-30 hours easily with moderate use. Generally I will only have 1-2 hours of screen time. Now with the same usage I am only getting 12-15. I have noticed that Android Kernal is the main offender, but don't know what that is.
Not Rooted
Screen brightness 50%-60%
Notifications turned off on all apps
Don't even have that many apps that I use
No gaming
I have attached screen shots from Gsam:
Battery Monitor
Screen Detail
App Sucker
kernal
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Take a look at your wakelocks, time held awake, and times waking device. Also, are you in a weak signal area? Where I work I get crap reception, and my battery life sucks along with it.
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I'm fed up a bit for my Z3 C battery life. This is my second query regarding battery life.
Does keeping Mobile data and Whatsapp running ON even in standby mode drains the battery??
I usually get just 1 or 2 whatsapp messages in an hour or two.
My phone settings-
Always turned off my wifi/ bt/ nfc/ gps/ location tracking/ autoupdates etc. & everything you can think and suggest.
Use only stock custom wallpaper and no live stuff. No widgets. No sd card inserted. With only two hoemscreen wih just 2 shortcuts on each screen.
Have disabled apps which I dont use.
Stopped services of apps which are no longer needed.
No auto sync enabled for any app.
Display brightness is at 30% all times.
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I use only these 3rd party apps-
Status bar mini
Network monitor mini
Whatsapp
Greenify
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My daily Z3 routine-
At night while going to sleep I turn off mobile data, turn on airplane mode and turn on stamina mode. (12:30am - 9:30am)
When I wake up the next day battery is down by 4-5%.
During day, phone runs in normal mode without any stamina activated. (10am - 12:30am)
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The Low-battery mode seems useless as it does literally nothing.
Also, as soon as the battery is 100% charged and if I use phone for even 5 mins the battery immediately drops to 99%, so is this normal??
Even if I capture 5 photos in stock auto mode the battery drops by 1% or 2.
I reboot my phone once a week or in 10 days or when need arises.
Ram utilised is always 1gb. But I dont feel any slowness for any app or my phone usage.
But again I dont watch any movies or play games fearing my battery will deplete in no time.
I use 2G/edge network as 3G isnt available for my operator in the city I reside.
Charging the phone to 100% from 14% takes 3 to 3.5 hours.
I have already repaired my phone using Sony pc companion and also did a factory reset as well but this issue has been haunting me every now and then.
Sony center says the battery doesnt need any replacement as its still healthy and so is my device.
The phones service menu also reports battery status as Good.
I dont know when is Lollipop gonna be out for Z3 but I fear updating to Lollipop as it may pose more issues than doing any good apart from usual gui tweaks & updates.
But just wish that lollipop brings in more relief to Z3 batteries.
It would be better if you also posted some screenshots with your battery usage.
Does keeping Mobile data and Whatsapp running ON even in standby mode drains the battery??
I usually get just 1 or 2 whatsapp messages in an hour or two.
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EVERYTHING drains battery, literally everything. If your volume is on max it also drains more then when your volume is very low. (Just an example)
There is a controversy when it comes to WiFi vs 3G which drains more.
In the end I think that it depends on the coverage. For me 3G/4G drains my battery less then my WiFi due to the poor WiFi reception.
That your phone loses about 5% over night really isn't THAT bad, what I do before I go to bed is "Close all" to close all the aps running in the background (It won't terminate WhatsApp's service) and I let Greenify hibernate all programs that I selected.
There was also a talk about charging your phone to 100% vs 99% the first percentage drains fast for everyone so that's why it's maybe better to only charge it till 99%.
With screenshots of your battery usage we could help you more, but as far as I can see there is nothing wrong with your battery.
If you're rooted, try BetterBatteryStats to pinpoint the drain.
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It would be better if you also posted some screenshots with your battery usage.
EVERYTHING drains battery, literally everything. If your volume is on max it also drains more then when your volume is very low. (Just an example)
There is a controversy when it comes to WiFi vs 3G which drains more.
In the end I think that it depends on the coverage. For me 3G/4G drains my battery less then my WiFi due to the poor WiFi reception.
That your phone loses about 5% over night really isn't THAT bad, what I do before I go to bed is "Close all" to close all the aps running in the background (It won't terminate WhatsApp's service) and I let Greenify hibernate all programs that I selected.
There was also a talk about charging your phone to 100% vs 99% the first percentage drains fast for everyone so that's why it's maybe better to only charge it till 99%.
With screenshots of your battery usage we could help you more, but as far as I can see there is nothing wrong with your battery.
If you're rooted, try BetterBatteryStats to pinpoint the drain.
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Well my device isnt rooted nor I use any wifi.
And also I use Greenify to shutdown all apps before sleeping and also I do manual force stop for many other apps as well.
Hey guys,
I just got my Moto X 2014 last Monday and have noticed the battery life kinda sucks, so I've been monitoring it and my cellular radio and WiFi are using quite a bit of battery and I'm also getting some wakelocks that i cant find the source of (as being on lollipop and not being rooted).
I am almost always around WiFi and have excellent signal (3+bars) all the time and have all the same apps I've had installed on my galaxy nexus (witch the battery graph would actually flat line and have no wake locks) so I cant see any one of my apps being a problem for the battery drain of 10-15% over night with Moto Display turned off (as not to wakelock me haha).
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this phone but i expected a bit better idle time than this.
Anyone out there have any idea what could be causing this?
Thanks,
McDuff
McDuffSmith said:
Hey guys,
I just got my Moto X 2014 last Monday and have noticed the battery life kinda sucks, so I've been monitoring it and my cellular radio and WiFi are using quite a bit of battery and I'm also getting some wakelocks that i cant find the source of (as being on lollipop and not being rooted).
I am almost always around WiFi and have excellent signal (3+bars) all the time and have all the same apps I've had installed on my galaxy nexus (witch the battery graph would actually flat line and have no wake locks) so I cant see any one of my apps being a problem for the battery drain of 10-15% over night with Moto Display turned off (as not to wakelock me haha).
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this phone but i expected a bit better idle time than this.
Anyone out there have any idea what could be causing this?
Thanks,
McDuff
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I've been on lollipop on my PE for a while now and had horrible standby time. Google play services was always shown as the highest consumer of battery. I finally decided to clear cache from recovery and now my standby times have improved dramatically, about 1% drop per hour or so. Not sure what the problem was as I did factory reset after updating to lollipop via ota.
Considering the phone is always listening, 1% per hour is ok. I get around this with a good signal. I just think that battery drain while the phone is being used is very high. It drains 1% each 3,6 minutes while playing a video from the internal memory with sound on 50% and brightness on 25%.
McDuffSmith said:
Hey guys,
I just got my Moto X 2014 last Monday and have noticed the battery life kinda sucks, so I've been monitoring it and my cellular radio and WiFi are using quite a bit of battery and I'm also getting some wakelocks that i cant find the source of (as being on lollipop and not being rooted).
I am almost always around WiFi and have excellent signal (3+bars) all the time and have all the same apps I've had installed on my galaxy nexus (witch the battery graph would actually flat line and have no wake locks) so I cant see any one of my apps being a problem for the battery drain of 10-15% over night with Moto Display turned off (as not to wakelock me haha).
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love this phone but i expected a bit better idle time than this.
Anyone out there have any idea what could be causing this?
Thanks,
McDuff
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Welcome to lollipop. Enough said. Lollipop has severe battery issues and at the moment there is no fix as far as i can see or have tried.
I found that disabling moto voice reduced my overnight drain from 1% to 0.5% per hour which is very reasonable considering I have moto display enabled and it gets activated a lot during the night (I have a springy bed lol). Since moto voice on lollipop is not that good anyway I don't miss it too much. This also proves that moto display has negligible impact on battery life.
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I found that disabling moto voice reduced my overnight drain from 1% to 0.5% per hour which is very reasonable considering I have moto display enabled and it gets activated a lot during the night (I have a springy bed lol). Since moto voice on lollipop is not that good anyway I don't miss it too much. This also proves that moto display has negligible impact on battery life.
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You can also make it so your moto display won't come online during sleep time, just saying.