Bring back dalvik - Nexus 5 General

Anyone else hope Google brings us an option to run dalvik in lolliflop?..
yes it can have a slight delay when pressing home button for instance, but that's the nature of the beast, because much less has been pre compiled. On the other hand apps take less space up, which i think is a bigger advantage.
once a java/dalvik coded app is up and running, qualcomm optimised dakvik reigns king. no benchmarks needed, you can see with your own eyes, launchers, animations run way smoother.
personally i have gone back to kitkat and optimised dalvik

I don't miss Dalvik, have been on ART all the time on KK also. But although I knew that ART would be standard on Lollipop, I thought they would still give users the choice - for compatibility reasons alone, since not all apps (especially games) will run on ART right now.

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seriously, who would want Dalvik when we have ART! even if first boot takes a while, everything is much smoother. i don't have any issues with performance.

reas0n said:
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seriously, who would want Dalvik when we have ART! even if first boot takes a while, everything is much smoother. i don't have any issues with performance.
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Agreed. ART is the way of the future. And with so many cloud storage options, space should not be a problem.

there's no xposed for art right now. that's why we need dalvik. will stay on KitKat because of that reason.

it wont happen

If we don't get rid of dalvik completely then some developer will just not fixing ART compatibility.
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Screw Dalvik! It's crap compared to ART. Smoother you say? Not a chance. I'm 100% sure they wont bring it back and that's a good thing.
Run Spotify for example in Dalvik compared to ART and that pretty much sums it up.

lulli1 said:
there's no xposed for art right now. that's why we need dalvik. will stay on KitKat because of that reason.
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an app doesn't support ART, so Google is the problem, not maybe, the app developers who had few months to fit their app to art.. interesting.
well, what if Google wouldn't force us to use ART(which is better), and app developers wouldn't have a reason to use art? it could slow down technological advancing and we wouldn't want that.

Ummmmm...
Facepalm. That is all.

pookipsy said:
an app doesn't support ART, so Google is the problem, not maybe, the app developers who had few months to fit their app to art.. interesting.
well, what if Google wouldn't force us to use ART(which is better), and app developers wouldn't have a reason to use art? it could slow down technological advancing and we wouldn't want that.
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No it's the app developers fault for not updating their app to ART. Google gave plenty of heads up on the change. Its newer technology and it's entirely the app developers fault if they haven't adapted their app for it. Not sure why you'd think it's Google's fault...
Edit: NVM, understood your post. Was kind of hard to follow at first.

I think Windows 95 is more efficient and better optimized than Windows 7/8. If we listened to this advixe wed be stuck in the technological stoneage.

Some people don't like change. Very closed mindset.

username8611 said:
I think Windows 95 is more efficient and better optimized than Windows 7/8. If we listened to this advixe wed be stuck in the technological stoneage.
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I get you but at no time was Win95 more optimized than anything.

Let's all ask Microsoft to make the new halo for the original xbox, remember there is power in numbers

One step forward and two steps back.
Sent from my Nexus 5 on Lollipop 5.0

How can I sideload Vista?

NotFromMountainView said:
How can I sideload Vista?
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You put the dvd next to the phone everything else is automatic

Wait a second, won't I need SCSI cables for this?

Ha!!!
Another case of 'I want xposed, screw google' syndrome?
I think so!
Stay on kit Kat while we enjoy the greatness of lollipop.

Related

play world of warcraft (pics inside) would be neat to get tweaked

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The photo is dark because i used a rc29 android g1 and we all know there camera app sucks!
anyways the graphics aren't half bad! with wifi it keeps up maybe 3-4 seconds lag time. Almost all keys are operational except im having a problem moving with keys "w,s,a,z". Other then that i can press enter and type or o to bring up friends list. if we can edit the app i used im sure we can get things running perfectly! Would work with many other games to.
NOTE: THIS POST IS NEW I DELETED MY OLD WAY OF PLAYING WOW SO DISREGARD MOST REPLIES BELOW.
Whoa... nerd.
Nah Im jk, this would be sweet.
Well this would be cool. I used to just VNC in. But isnt there a G1 app that let you install J2ME stuff? Wouldnt this still work on the G1?
Now give me a app to play FFXI and Im all over that. ^^ But still I may fiddle with this later tonight see if its workable.
I know Blizzard is very strict about third party type software, so be careful. I remember reading they were banning accounts running WoW through linux using wine emulation, picking it up as 3rd party software.
tekkitan said:
I know Blizzard is very strict about third party type software, so be careful. I remember reading they were banning accounts running WoW through linux using wine emulation, picking it up as 3rd party software.
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But that was also disputed and forgiven. I know I run WoW in ubuntu without issues.
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But that was also disputed and forgiven. I know I run WoW in ubuntu without issues.
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Yes, but that doesn't mean it won't happen again Just a warning
Meh Ive been in this battle since Ultima Online and still have it, FFXI "Windower" is a 3rd party tool, WoW same things. The key element that even internal staff has told me is that if your not trying to get noticed, you wont be harmed. Long as you dont try to make it so obvious your using something different.. or trying to script kiddie and be a idiot while doing it wrong... then yea.
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Meh Ive been in this battle since Ultima Online and still have it, FFXI "Windower" is a 3rd party tool, WoW same things. The key element that even internal staff has told me is that if your not trying to get noticed, you wont be harmed. Long as you dont try to make it so obvious your using something different.. or trying to script kiddie and be a idiot while doing it wrong... then yea.
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That's fine, but like I said, I am just warning people they could get banned. Whether it is temporary or not, I really don't care. I am just warning people. No need to be so defensive.
Im not, but btw, I was looking at something called TurboVNC Not sure I understand it fully but it seems to be a better opengl streamer for vnc.
i updated my post.
So you got it working basically? Did all the steps work or what.
Ok.... so can you tell us how?
I think I figured it out...but I decided to give it a shot using Diablo 2 instead of WoW because of the lower requirements
can u tell us how?
Crap...I completely messed up the joke. When I said "but I decided to give it a shot" I meant to put shot in italics as it's just a picture snapped through the camera. I'm still waiting on instructions again from the OP on how he got it running since he edited his post.
someone should make a thottbot application for the android
I used phone2pc. If we can get a developer to edit this app or maybe an app like it, I am sure we can work out all the bugs. Most of my keys work I can talk to people I can press a few of the quick keys like "o" brings up your friends list... I can tap the screen to exit out of things and start spells... but i can't walk. Some one should be able to figure this out and maybe even make the response time quicker.
lol you answered my question as I was posting it. phone2pc
bob50963 said:
I used phone2pc. If we can get a developer to edit this app or maybe an app like it, I am sure we can work out all the bugs. Most of my keys work I can talk to people I can press a few of the quick keys like "o" brings up your friends list... I can tap the screen to exit out of things and start spells... but i can't walk. Some one should be able to figure this out and maybe even make the response time quicker.
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Did you mean PhoneMyPC? I can't find anything named Phone2PC.

bootdroid - Let's end it here shall we

When I was looking for x86 stuff today, I came across this "project" called bootdroid that is supposedly a guy coming along in his port of iOS to Android (blog of updates is here: http://bootdroid.blogspot.com/ code page here: http://code.google.com/p/bootdroid/).
It amazes me how people think that, with all the issues we have with hardware acceleration, audio, and camera drivers with every OS update that SWITCHING to a completely different system wouldn't be out of the question.
Yes, for people still questioning, it IS fake. You're NEVER going to be able to run iOS natively on an Android device period. Likewise, you can barely get Android to recognize the iOS hardware.
A few things to note:
1) He's spamming it all over the place for SEO reasons,
2) The iPhone's/iPads interface images are static. They don't just "fit" into any given screen size, a reason why we can't have DPI changers like Android has. You'd have to totally recode the system to do what he's trying to make you THINK he's doing. He says he's using the iPad version... Have you ever tried using iPad apps on the iPhone? Well, it shows you only 4/100th of the screen. Yes, I have tried, and so have a few others.
3) He used old web app sample code that comes with Xcode. It's not even iOS5:
iOS4:
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iOS 5:
His:
Specifically, you can tell by the edges. His Push Notifications are also thick:
So move along now, nothing to see here.
Ga niet zomaar haten...
Seriously he is already been working on this project since ios 4 was still the latest and greatest. I don't know if you are an iPhone user or on the Android side but this is real. He has been providing very true ans interesting topics on his blogspot and I would like to see your face when an alpha build comes out.
People stop hating on this project please. Maybe this is fake but then again why would he been keeping the site alive for that long ? Do you think that someone that is wanting to say brick our devices is going to say don't promote this to much because the maker of thz port could be sued by Apple for the copyright things.
This is probably the last thing that Apple is waiting on, people using their (good and smooth with great exclusive apps) software on hardware that is better and faster and that fill better the needs of certain people. ( I don't like the iPhone's sound quality, display size, aspect ratio, glass that breaks rapidly...).
I have been an iPhone user since they came out. I also have Android devices. There are pros and cons with both.
I've managed to snag the GUI images that are available with the iOS 5 firmware and optimized it for the Android device I'm working with. I successfully built a Test App (GUI) in Xcode and added it as a system application to the iOS firmware currently running on my Android device.
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Again... That is NOT iOS5. I know how it looks like, and I know how Xcode looks and works.
Another thing, since iOS is basically OS X, what does this mean for driver support? There isn't a driver for any internal Android hardware that also works in OS X.
Lastly, just because it's better hardware doesn't mean the software will work better/faster on it. Being that Androids are mostly made out of plastic will most likely result in heating issues. The new iPad can hardly handle it.

			
				
Hunch
Well I noticed on the Bootdroid blog, that someone has released code for Bootdroid.
HTML:
https://github.com/Peter42/BootDroid
However, what we do not know is what the files actually do. I have tested it myself and... well... they do nothing that I can actually tell apart from run an app, which itself, does nothing? :S
However both the software and the app seems to be virus free, according to ESET and Lookout.
Is there any developers wishing to strip down these files, and have a little look inside to see what they do?
Thanks,
TyphoonScotland
The only big file there is U2WIN.exe which is 380MB. I won't download it and try it myself, so i don't know what that is or does.
But i find it strange that there's no videos of this. I would think that a lot of people would try this and post some videos on YouTube. But nope, no videos whatsoever.
LordManhattan said:
The only big file there is U2WIN.exe which is 380MB. I won't download it and try it myself, so i don't know what that is or does.
But i find it strange that there's no videos of this. I would think that a lot of people would try this and post some videos on YouTube. But nope, no videos whatsoever.
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i will download it tonite to see whuz that
therealphami said:
i will download it tonite to see whuz that
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Did you try it out?
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If I could figure out how to install it, I wouldn't mind trying!
iOS5 on Archos 70 would be awesome! =)
I thnk its real
It looks so promising... but then in his blog he said that this Krazy did it... mebbe itss real and i hope so cos iap crackee is onlly for iOS. And btw how do you even install it? So many files...
Soooo.
xjarylx said:
It looks so promising... but then in his blog he said that this Krazy did it... mebbe itss real and i hope so cos iap crackee is onlly for iOS. And btw how do you even install it? So many files...
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Did you find out? Theres no files on his google source anymore... I just revived a dead thread sorry

RAM usage

Yes with 4.4.2 we get more RAM, but the phone is not using it. In 4.3 I could easily keep 9-11 (2.2gb RAM/2.38gb) apps running in the background. 4.4.2 it now stays around 5-7app using (2.0gb RAM/2.71gb). Anyone else notice this?
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Yes with 4.4.2 we get more RAM, but the phone is not using it. In 4.3 I could easily keep 9-11 (2.2gb RAM/2.38gb) apps running in the background. 4.4.2 it now stays around 5-7app using (2.0gb RAM/2.71gb). Anyone else notice this?
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Tell me again how a software update will give you more ram? You don't get more ram. Sorry. What you got was ART which doesn't even matter with the Note 3 because our hardware is TWICE as powerful as most stuff out there. Its sad... Kit kat has never been what it was meant to be. Think of it like Morpheus with the blue pill and the red pill.
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What you got was ART
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As far as I know the Note 3 did not get ART. As many of you may know, when you wipe the dalvik cache and reboot the phone
"optimizes" all installed apps. When I had KitKat ROMs with ART enabled on my Galaxy Nexus it would take forever to "optimize" everything. My Note 3 running KitKat optimizes all 200+ apps in less than 2 minutes, much like my Nexus did when I was using dalvik. Based on these observations I believe that we're still stuck with dalvik.
I am using a custom KitKat ROM on my Note 3, so maybe the official OTA has ART and the ROM I'm using doesn't? I don't see an option for it in the development settings and I doubt the developer would remove it.
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As far as I know the Note 3 did not get ART. As many of you may know, when you wipe the dalvik cache and reboot the phone
"optimizes" all installed apps. When I had KitKat ROMs with ART enabled on my Galaxy Nexus it would take forever to "optimize" everything. My Note 3 running KitKat optimizes all 200+ apps in less than 2 minutes, much like my Nexus did when I was using dalvik. Based on these observations I believe that we're still stuck with dalvik.
I am using a custom KitKat ROM on my Note 3, so maybe the official OTA has ART and the ROM I'm using doesn't? I don't see an option for it in the development settings and I doubt the developer would remove it.
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Well first of all, the note 3 is 5 times as powerful as the gnex. Secondly, if that's the case and we don't get ART because our hardware is so badass, then tell me what was the point of the upgrade?
Everyone should read this
RErick said:
Well first of all, the note 3 is 5 times as powerful as the gnex.
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According to this article (link below) Samsung removed ART from its 4.4.2 update. The author didn't specify which version of the Note they tested, so it may or may not apply to the AT&T or other US variants of the Note 3.
Link: http://allaboutgalaxynote.com/galax...top-5-disappointments-and-top-5-consolations/
Secondly, if that's the case and we don't get ART because our hardware is so badass, then tell me what was the point of the upgrade?
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Upgrade from what? My Nexus or 4.3 on my Note? I upgraded from my Nexus because the battery life was absolutely terrible, the screen was cracked, the reception was awful, it was a 2.5 year old device, and I wanted a giant phablet with a stylus.
I upgraded from 4.3 on my Note because I wanted to try out the mighty Knoxraid that was being praised on this forum. If I was going to flash a custom ROM I figured that I might as well use one based on the latest version on Android, with or without ART.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything. I'm just stating my opinion based on my experience with ART on my old rundown Galaxy Nexus and what I've read...
Let's not make this an argument over which roms are better than others....
Stay on topic, thanks.

Is there a way to close all running apps with one button?

Is there a way to close all running apps with one button? Previous versions of Android had it and I feel like a reviewer mentioned using the feature. I just don't have the button on my screen.
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Nope. In custom ROMs for other phones (CM12 Pre-nightly) theres a button that clears all the apps in recents but its not present in stock Android.
You'll have to wait for the custom ROMs to come before you get this feature.
As far as I know there is not a way to do this. There should be in my opinion though. Maybe a mod soon
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Oh ok, I thought it was part of stock Android. My bad. It really should be... lol
To be picky, they aren't running. From this perspective I am glad they don't have a clear all, because it gives the impression that clearing cashed apps is good or helpful.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2gif4g/greenify_developer_says_constantly_swiping_away/
Maybe your coming from a Samsung phone? I'm just guessing but that button exists as part of touchwiz.
posted while using my note 3
Do. Not. Clear. All. Apps.
Not constantly. Not obsessively. Not hourly.
It does nothing to improve your experience but degredation in opening speed and CPU required to do so is possible. Some apps will even function incorrectly (bad design on their part, but easy to do)!
I'm NOT a fan of the new recents but clearing-all has never been a part of stock abdroid for a reason.
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Do. Not. Clear. All. Apps.
Not constantly. Not obsessively. Not hourly.
It does nothing to improve your experience but degredation in opening speed and CPU required to do so is possible. Some apps will even function incorrectly (bad design on their part, but easy to do)!
I'm NOT a fan of the new recents but clearing-all has never been a part of stock abdroid for a reason.
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Without question you're right.
Problem is not all apps behave and not all of us are experts at identifying which app is the problem. This is where help is needed from the OS. And it seems like rather than making it easier they're making it harder (by requiring root to get certain usage data, i.e. GSAM).
Until then, folks will want a "clear all".
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Without question you're right.
Problem is not all apps behave and not all of us are experts at identifying which app is the problem. This is where help is needed from the OS. And it seems like rather than making it easier they're making it harder (by requiring root to get certain usage data, i.e. GSAM).
Until then, folks will want a "clear all".
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Going into Settings>Apps>Running will show which apps are running in the background. They will be doing so even after you clear all.
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For me I'm not concerned about performance, but when you've got 40 or so different tabs to scroll through sometimes its nice just to close them all and start over. This is when a close all would be nice to have in stock android.
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For me I'm not concerned about performance, but when you've got 40 or so different tabs to scroll through sometimes its nice just to close them all and start over. This is when a close all would be nice to have in stock android.
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Its meant to be used for quick task switching. If you're trying to use recents to find an app older than say the last 5 or so, you don't want to be doing that.
Why they have to go so far back is beyond me.
If you're rooted, chain fire has an app (called recently) that helps manage recents. I set mine to show only actual running app and 5 more apps after that, for up to 2 hours. It also has a clear all button which as mentioned, should NOT be used.
If you want to root your phone you can keep it on the stock ROM and just install Recently by Chainfire.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.recently
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Damn. Didn't see the post above. Lol. Sorry.
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Are you using ART or DALVIK?

Are you using ART or DALVIK on your Samsung Note 4? I have the exynos version running 4.4.4 and use Dalvik, but thinking of giving Art a try. Should I?
I'd love to hear your experience, if you've tried both.
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I've heard others say it's nothing special. It'll even give you some FC's.
Dalvik for now
Art not make ur device better
Samsung only optimize their note 4 in dalvik so it will fc some time when u change to art
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I've heard others say it's nothing special. It'll even give you some FC's.
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hi,
i would also agree with that statement. That ART is nothing special, (to me, at moment on our N4 with Android 4.4.4) if i consider smoothness, battery use, hardly any "lag".. etc. I have a N910F rooted, and on Dalvik i had similar experiences, on my N4 ( smooth and battery use /drain etc was good)
Only app that gives me f c is S HEALTH app.
Reason i switched to Art was to see how" compatible " my 3rd party apps would work etc (No problems) . My first impressions was that it was just that tiny bit" snappier" than when i use N4 on Dalvik.?
I can't really give any negative input about my experiences with ART (been using ART for week plus.)
I am sure ART on Lollipop would be smooth and good.
Good luck
Please stop using ART on Kitkat. It's useless.
used it on my exynos note 4 once it got overheat and slower performance on ART so i guess we have to wait till 5.0
I'm using Art and prefer it over Dalvik. Personally, it's smoother and I notice the difference. I'm willing to put up with the delay at reboot as I'm not rebooting often.
I switched to ART as soon as i got ANK5 update (910f) , everything was good, then i switched back to Dalvik , and it just feels snappier, everything is tiny bit quicker ! No ART for me until 5.0 :good:
I could put money on it that it would work alot better on a factory reset. Start Art before you add all you crap to it.
i had the same. phone was burning because of overheat. dalvic for now.
Dalvik for me. Xposed doesn't work with ART and I need Xposed to live.
I tried ART, and things felt a bit smoother but reverted back because the system apps were being optimised after every reboot. Something definitely not working correctly. It is really hard to notice any difference. Plus, I noticed Dalvik works better for apps that are on SD card.
ART is far smoother for me. don't use shealth anyways, so no fc issues. everything working great.
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I do not reboot my phone, so I switched to ART. S Health was crashing but I disabled it and now I have no problems at all. Nice and smooth.
AndreiLux said:
Please stop using ART on Kitkat. It's useless.
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Can you please explain further? I've been using ART for 2 months now.... no problems whatsoever.
i have N910F (Snapdragon) and use Dalvik because i heard that xposed is not kompatibel with art run time.
My experience with art was horrendous. Just bought my phone and I thought it was going to melt.
Dalvik immediately, with a hope and a prayer!
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Dalvik because of Xposed and S Health
Ive been running ART since Jan 1st. Heres my impression, to say it sucks is an understatement. Saying it drains your battery life severely is a bold lie.
Batterytime
ART maybe 16 hours under hardly any use. 8 hours under regular use
Dalvik 28 hours of light use and 18 hours of regular use
The phone gets extremely hot. Takes 10 minutes to boot with 180 apps having to rebuild each boot. Its slower. Apps crash regularly. The reason i left ART on so long was i turned it on and forgot about it. almost sold the phone
AnTuTu scores prove what i thought. Crazy!
26406 under ART
47920 for Dalvik
LumberjackZac said:
Ive been running ART since Jan 1st. Heres my impression, to say it sucks is an understatement. Saying it drains your battery life severely is a bold lie.
Batterytime
ART maybe 16 hours under hardly any use. 8 hours under regular use
Dalvik 28 hours of light use and 18 hours of regular use
The phone gets extremely hot. Takes 10 minutes to boot with 180 apps having to rebuild each boot. Its slower. Apps crash regularly. The reason i left ART on so long was i turned it on and forgot about it. almost sold the phone
AnTuTu scores prove what i thought. Crazy!
26406 under ART
47920 for Dalvik
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Antutut scores don't really mean much...my note 4 on Lollipop at least uses ART of course and it performs good.

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