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Hi everyone. I have never rooted my Bionic, but have always been disappointed in my performance. I bought it on launch day and just stuck with it, and it has been a huge disappointment ever since.
Well, I think I may have come across a reason for the disappointment. I ran the benchmark test Quadrant.
My first run? 1700.
My second? 1200.
I said, whoa, hold on a minute, people were getting 2200-2500 on stock when the thing launched.
So I did a factory reset, and after the last three runs of Quadrant I'm getting about 1400.
Something is seriously wrong. I installed CPU spy and nothing seems too out of the ordinary. Yet these scores are worse than the Nexus S, and that's just crazy. I know the Bionic is a better phone than that.
Is there a hardware problem with my phone causing these low scores? What do you think I could do to fix this?
Which version are you on?
silversonic1 said:
Which version are you on?
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5.9.905, which is the latest OTA firmware.
I just ran it and got 1465, and I've noticed that my Bionic has gone to hell lately. Poor battery life and overall poor performance. I would love help with this!
Edit: Using CPU Spy I found that when my phone isn't in deep sleep, it spends the large majority of its time at 300mhz, almost no time at 600 or 800mhz, and a small amount of the at 1000mhz that is significantly less than the time at 300mhz. Is the problem that my Bionic for some reason is getting stuck at a lower speed?
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Feoen said:
5.9.905, which is the latest OTA firmware.
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Well there are 3 things that could be contributing to this; your microSD, your choice of apps, and/or not using your built-in task manager to stop apps that are wasting memory.
But it's worth noting that Quadrant Standard won't show you the individual scores, so it is a poor tool for diagnosing problems. I suggest that you also not go by other peoples scores. They may be using mods that you aren't.
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Well there are 3 things that could be contributing to this; your microSD, your choice of apps, and/or not using your built-in task manager to stop apps that are wasting memory.
But it's worth noting that Quadrant Standard won't show you the individual scores, so it is a poor tool for diagnosing problems. I suggest that you also not go by other peoples scores. They may be using mods that you aren't.
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As I said in my post, I did a factory reset. Everything was wiped off the internal storage. No rogue apps. The only thing installed was the benchmark itself. I also tried the benchmark without the microSD to no avail.
And also, the scores I have read have been from day one purchasers of Bionics on stock. I ignore anything that does not specify that it was achieved on stock, and everything I have seen has been 2000+.
There is no reason my Bionic should be scoring 1400 and lower.
You should root your phone, it gives you things you wouldnt have dreamed of!
Don't know what to tell you...just got a 2683 in Quadrant on. 2333 ICS leak on my Bionic (though mine was bumped to.1.2Ghz with the leak).
Total 2683
CPU 3770
Mem 3008
I/O 3145
2D 1000
3D 2414
Feoen said:
As I said in my post, I did a factory reset. Everything was wiped off the internal storage. No rogue apps. The only thing installed was the benchmark itself. I also tried the benchmark without the microSD to no avail.
And also, the scores I have read have been from day one purchasers of Bionics on stock. I ignore anything that does not specify that it was achieved on stock, and everything I have seen has been 2000+.
There is no reason my Bionic should be scoring 1400 and lower.
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After the factory reset, when you logged in to your account, did you log into more than one?
Also, was it by chance downloading things like mail in the background? Try disabling all sync and even putting it in airplane mode and then see.
Also, how much charge on your battery? Remember that stock BIONIC settings also have that delicious night mode settings as well....
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Anyone have any experience with this? Was thinking of switching to it, because it sounds like it could give a major performance boost to the phone, but am unsure because it is so new.
Anyone with major bugs because of switching to ART? Is it possible to revert back to dalvik once you switch to ART or are you locked in?
I experienced a visually slight performance boost.
WhatsApp won't work. Had a pain to get it working again after going back to Dalvik. Had to revert to 4.2.2, root, then update to 4.4 again. For that matter I'm not using it again until we get 4.4.2 which fix these issues.
If you ever switch to ART, you wont be able to use whatsapp even if you switch back to dalvik. You'll have to flash back to 4.2.2 and take the 4.4 OTA to get whatsapp to work again
I couldn't upload photos to FB every other version when ART was enabled. You can switch back and forth as often as you'd like, just prepare for a lengthy boot when switching to ART.
Waiting for 4.4.2 as other poster said. Currently running dalvik. I do think it runs better with ART. Snappier.
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I don't think I'd use ART on the Moto X quite yet. Moto has apparently optimized the qualcomm dalvik libs quite a bit to give the moto x a smooth fluid UI. ART will probably be better for the moto x eventually but I'm guessing it's not optimized for a specific phone at the moment.
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I don't think I'd use ART on the Moto X quite yet. Moto has apparently optimized the qualcomm dalvik libs quite a bit to give the moto x a smooth fluid UI. ART will probably be better for the moto x eventually but I'm guessing it's not optimized for a specific phone at the moment.
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It's fast. I used to use dalvik for about a week than switched to art. I've used art for more than a month now. I have a lot of third party's apps installed, even nonmarket ones. My Moto x is on 4.4 and rooted. I've never experienced any issue since I'm on art. Don't use Whatsapp or games though.
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It's fast. I used to use dalvik for about a week than switched to art. I've used art for more than a month now. I have a lot of third party's apps installed, even nonmarket ones. My Moto x is on 4.4 and rooted. I've never experienced any issue since I'm on art. Don't use Whatsapp or games though.
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I'm not saying it won't work, used ART on my N4 and S4 but I'm skeptical you are going to see better performance with ART vs. the highly optimized dalvik libs used by motorola for the moto x. Especially since it's unlikely google has optimized ART for specific hardware at this point.
In my experience with ART on the N4 and S4, some tasks seemed quicker, some seemed the same and some felt slower but I definitely took a hit in battery life. I'm guessing ART on the Moto X would have a similar reaction, some tasks might seem a little quicker but I'm betting battery life is going to take a hit as well as other tasks that rely on moto x specific hardware.
I could be wrong though since I've never used a moto x (just ordered mine about 12hrs ago so I'm waiting impatiently)
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I'm not saying it won't work, used ART on my N4 and S4 but I'm skeptical you are going to see better performance with ART vs. the highly optimized dalvik libs used by motorola for the moto x. Especially since it's unlikely google has optimized ART for specific hardware at this point.
In my experience with ART on the N4 and S4, some tasks seemed quicker, some seemed the same and some felt slower but I definitely took a hit in battery life. I'm guessing ART on the Moto X would have a similar reaction, some tasks might seem a little quicker but I'm betting battery life is going to take a hit as well as other tasks that rely on moto x specific hardware.
I could be wrong though since I've never used a moto x (just ordered mine about 12hrs ago so I'm waiting impatiently)
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It's really hard to compare speed and other behavior between two runtimes if you don't have two equal phones and run both systems simultaneously. I never complained that Moto x wasn't fast when I used dalvik. It seems even more responsive now under art but it might be a subjective performance evaluation, you never know if you don't have comparable reference. Anyway I think that dalvik on android is more past than future and if you don't have a specific reason to use dalvik you should give art a shot.
Good like with your new Moto x. I believe you'll like it.:good:
I switched to ART a few weeks back, and at that time thought I noticed a slight improvement in overall performance. I was pleased. After about a week, I installed Xposed. Unbeknownst to me, Xposed automatically reset the phone to dalvik (xposed is not ART compatible). I did not notice the change for several days, until I happened to see the runtime setting on the developer options screen. To me, this is good evidence for a placebo effect.
But try it yourself. You can always go back.
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Jemmy Ducks said:
I switched to ART a few weeks back, and at that time thought I noticed a slight improvement in overall performance. I was pleased. After about a week, I installed Xposed. Unbeknownst to me, Xposed automatically reset the phone to dalvik (xposed is not ART compatible). I did not notice the change for several days, until I happened to see the runtime setting on the developer options screen. To me, this is good evidence for a placebo effect.
But try it yourself. You can always go back.
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Exactly! Optimized Dalvik on Moto X is as good as ART if not better.
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There really is no benefit to art on the Moto x. It has hugely optimized davik libs. Now if Moto gives an update that has optimized art libs, it would be amazing. But for now, I am willing to bet that any performance increase is a placebo.
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I only really saw a performance boost between ART and Dalvik when I was using recent apps. There was really only like a milisecond difference between the two, but it was enough to annoy me. Battery life is really good on ART, didn't notice enough of a difference between the two.
Having used ART on my Nexus5 and MotoX I can say that it is definitely faster and better battery life. Not just placebo but thorough testing and look at the battery threads on both forums for proof. I will say that the difference was greater on the Nexus5 than on the MotoX but I feel that Google designed the 5 with ART in mind. MotoX still has a good improvement and I have no reason to go back to dalvik.
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I have been running art since it's release and love it. After numerous tests on two moto x's it is noticeably smoother. Much smoother. Battery life is a little better and certain apps open twice as fast While others do not open faster. I have 300 apps on my phone and since titanium added art support I have not found any app that does not work except xposed.
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Just thought I'd give my opinion as well. I've used ART on both the Nexus 5 and Moto X, and so far from my usage, there's noticeable improvement in performance and battery life versus dalvik.
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Alright I'll give it a shot tonight and report back on my findings as well.
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stevetsimmons.com said:
I have been running art since it's release and love it. After numerous tests on two moto x's it is noticeably smoother. Much smoother. Battery life is a little better and certain apps open twice as fast While others do not open faster. I have 300 apps on my phone and since titanium added art support I have not found any app that does not work except xposed.
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Even whatsapp? It's not working for me.
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lucasdeeiroz said:
Even whatsapp? It's not working for me.
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I do not use whatsapp. i am a google voice / hangouts user.
Truth is, no one knows--it's anecdotal and small sample sizes at best. Use whichever placebo floats your boat.
After 2 weeks on ART, back to Dalvik. ART maybe faster (maybe placebo effect), but delivers lots of small irritations: calenders lost (solved only by reboot), evernote FC-ing (for the interested, when taking page picture), etc-etc.. All of them small by themself, but adding together: too many small problems to stay with ART.
Sorry to say, but IMHO ART is just not ready for showtime yet..
I ran an Antutu benchmark and was surprised to find that I scored only 15078! That's like half what it should be, right?
Only questionable app running is themer. Any other ideas what could be causing such a low benchmark? Phone is not particularly laggy. Maybe when hanging up calls sometimes, I end up hitting the wrong button because it lags after hangup.
Update: uninstalled themer and that got it up to 20,000 but still rather low...
*Stock running Kitkat
eepyikes said:
I ran an Antutu benchmark and was surprised to find that I scored only 15078! That's like half what it should be, right?
Only questionable app running is themer. Any other ideas what could be causing such a low benchmark? Phone is not particularly laggy. Maybe when hanging up calls sometimes, I end up hitting the wrong button because it lags after hangup.
Update: uninstalled themer and that got it up to 20,000 but still rather low...
*Stock running Kitkat
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Out of curiosity, did you update the LG home to the G3 home? When I updated mine, my phone ran noticeably slower. Uninstalled and phone is back to where it was before the update. Just a thought...
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Nah, everything is 100% stock, aside from Verizon kitkat update.
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Out of curiosity, did you update the LG home to the G3 home? When I updated mine, my phone ran noticeably slower. Uninstalled and phone is back to where it was before the update. Just a thought...
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eepyikes said:
Nah, everything is 100% stock, aside from Verizon kitkat update.
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It's because much like the newer Samsung phones, your becnhmark results were boosted. Part of the KK update blocks boosted benchamark scores. This is also why results are so different between stock and source builds. What you're getting now, and what you would get on source based builds are your more accurate benchmarks.
Besides, benchmarks don't matter 1 bit. They in no way reflect real world use.
I've had the Moto X for about a month and a half and one thing that's always bothered me is the odd software lag. Let me point out where this is most noticeable:
- Twitter: with images enabled in the news feed, scrolling becomes extremely jittery. this issue is non-existent on the Galaxy S5 (I've tried them side by side and they have the same processor)
- Google Music: terrible experience all around when it comes to animations. when opening the app, the bar on the bottom that pops up with your last played track lags. when selecting your library the app lags when loading album artwork. everything about this app is laggy which is odd for the 801 + 320 chipset.
There are other areas where the phone stutters and I can't figure out why. It's been like this since day 1, and I don't have an excessive amount of apps running in the background (usually 850mb of RAM being used). Opening the app drawer and scrolling between home screens is smooth - it's just the graphics performance in apps can be utter crap. Anyone else notice this? I'm running 4.4.4 btw. I've been thinking of doing a software reset but don't want to go through the hassle. I don't have any out-of-the-ordinary apps installed so I'm baffled as to why an almost stock Android device behaves likes this.
This happens to me as well. For the hardware in the Moto X it sure doesn't perform like it. I actually made a post just like this the other day.
Are you rooted? I'm considering downgrading back to 4.4.4 I cannot stand it. I will probably end up returning the phone for a refund.
I'm honestly surprised to hear this, my moto X has been smoother than my nexus 5. I'd really try the master reset and load up apps a few at a time to see if/when you get lag again.
Something has got to be going on with your phone, the Moto X is hands down the smoothest Android phone I've ever owned which says a lot because I've owned upwards of 20, and most of them were flagships. I also have the N5 at the moment and the X is noticeably smoother when side by side, and that is a major feat considering how insanely smooth the N5 is. I'd do a reset and maybe even a reflash if you can. If that doesn't work, maybe you just got a bad device.
Me too especially chrome both on kitkat and lollipop and only on specific websites. Google books too to be honest but hardly noticeable.
I was surprised to see a bit of jitter considering the high praise it gets.
Now perhaps this is just how it should be, but the z3 compact with same specs felt faster albeit with a smaller res.
I've noticed it too. Can we find a common theme?
Mine is the pure edition with system version 22.21.11 lollipop
Build number LXE22.46-11
Moto additional features turned on
Not modified, not rooted
bobloblawsum said:
I've noticed it too. Can we find a common theme?
Mine is the pure edition with system version 22.21.11 lollipop
Build number LXE22.46-11
Moto additional features turned on
Not modified, not rooted
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Just to follow up. I ended up unlocking the boot loader and rooting my phone, in the process essentially factory wiping it. Since then it's been noticibly faster.
I doubt it has anything to do with rooting it and everything to do with resetting it. I believe the OTA update to lollipop out of the box just left too much crap in the cache maybe? Who knows.
Now it's just like the nexus 5 in terms of fluidity
I noticed some terrible lag with the Telus 4.4.4 build. Even with a full reset it just never seemed to live up to the hardware standards. At absolutely everything my Nexus 7 2013 was faster(with both using the ART runtime).
One possibly significant thing I noticed with 4.4.4 is if I would ftp a file via wifi from a local machine the speed was incredibly slow, only 300kB/sec. Wifi however was super fast for nearly anything else, I also ran a flash benchmark test and it was quick. But when ftping and writing to flash it was always slow. I have since updated to the t-mobile lollipop build and the same ftp is now 2600kB/sec and the entire phone is quicker with no lag.
Lollipop runs like crap. Getting constant redraws all the time
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Me too especially chrome both on kitkat and lollipop and only on specific websites. Google books too to be honest but hardly noticeable.
I was surprised to see a bit of jitter considering the high praise it gets.
Now perhaps this is just how it should be, but the z3 compact with same specs felt faster albeit with a smaller res.
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That lower res makes all the difference in the world. It has the same SOC as all the current flagships, but because of the 720p display it'll outperform any of them. That's also one of the reasons why it gets such great battery life too. That phone is one seriously awesome piece of tech. And as much as I hate OEM skins, I actually like Sony's.
A lot of phones sometimes get lagged up after an OTA, even the iPhone can and has for ppm and myself. If clearing cache in recovery don't help try a factory reset. Its not a problem with just the moto x.
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No lag here. This is the smoothest phone I have used non rooted.
dobbs3x said:
A lot of phones sometimes get lagged up after an OTA, even the iPhone can and has for ppm and myself. If clearing cache in recovery don't help try a factory reset. Its not a problem with just the moto x.
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Clearing cache did not have an effect, but a factory reset seems to have completely alleviated the lag/stuttering issues. Thanks!
Hello.
My T-Mobile G4 has had 6.0 Marshmallow since February. I've noticed since I've updated to Marshmallow that the performance is definitely worse than Lollipop, particularly in gaming. Games will seem to run fine for about 30 seconds or so, then the framerate just completely goes out of whack. These aren't little micro stutters, but jumpy, jittery, and wobbly graphics problems. I was able to run the FPS meter app to see what the games were running at. Sure enough, the game (I tested Hill Climb Racing with the fps app, but the issues exist in every game I've tried. 2D and 3D) would run at 59-60 fps for about 30 seconds, then when the jitters started, it went down to 51 fps according to the app.
Now, I've seen these same jittery scrolling issues on Dolphin Browser (other browsers too, but to a lesser degree), Gmail, QuickPic, YouTube, Google+, and even the freaking home screen. I've factory reset multiple times and ran the phone without installing any apps, tested the phone in safe mode, cleared the cache, removed the sd card, formatted the sd card, switched batteries, turned on airplane mode, toggled game optimizer, toggled some developer options, and even went through 3 different warranty exchanges (two manufactured in May 2015 and my current one from July 2015). The ONLY THING that seems to help is time. The longer I have the phone on (maybe about 5 days to a week), the better chance the phone has of smoothing out. I kept the phone on for 35 days straight recently because I knew it would get sluggish again if I restarted and I was right. I unfortunately had to restart due to a WiFi issue.
The main reason I'm posting here is because I haven't gotten an answer anywhere else. Apparently, either everyone else has a G4 that actually performs just fine on Marshmallow or they just don't seem to notice (not sure how they couldn't, considering how obvious the graphics problems are).
Is it a kernel/governor issue? Perhaps there's a developer that can tell me what's going on with the phone?
...Anyone?
Larry L said:
...Anyone?
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read this thread..:good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/g4-unusable-gaming-extremely-low-fps-mm-t3405733
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read this thread..:good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/g4-unusable-gaming-extremely-low-fps-mm-t3405733
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Thanks for that link. Unfortunately, they don't seem to provide any solution (maybe root), but it at least shows that I'm not the only one with these performance irregularities.
Larry L said:
Thanks for that link. Unfortunately, they don't seem to provide any solution (maybe root), but it at least shows that I'm not the only one with these performance irregularities.
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i think its MM..
raptorddd said:
i think its MM..
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Are all MM phones having performance problems in some way? I've heard that phones like the Nexus 6P have pretty much flawless performance. I've heard that the Oneplus 3 is like butter too.
Is MM just crippling older SOC's like the 808?
Larry L said:
Are all MM phones having performance problems in some way? I've heard that phones like the Nexus 6P have pretty much flawless performance. I've heard that the Oneplus 3 is like butter too.
Is MM just crippling older SOC's like the 808?
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not sure never been on MM when i got my phone, i flash LP just for root. and cause i read that battery isnt good and performance.. it could be.. and that it isnt optimized... theres new 20o firmware not sure how it works... but be aware that once you flash 20o thers no going back to LP.. as long as you on 20i you can go back to LP 10N otherwise youll brick your phone 20i adn 10N are antirollback V2 the new 20o its V3.