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Preordered an 8GB the 27th of June like a good fanboy. Waited a few weeks and got it the 17th of July. Right out of the box, my excitement is a bit dampened when the screen flickers.
Browse through xda, lots of people with the same issue, must be software right? Oh, this phone and this tablet had it, a software patch fixed it. I give it a few days. Flickering getting very annoying, and as it becomes apparent that it's a hardware issue, people start complaining about units with far worse issues. I hesitate but finally decide to RMA the thing with 1 day left on my "Buyer's remorse" refund period. I'm promised the unit would be checked for such defects before being shipped out.
Yesterday another brand new Nexus arrives, double taped. And, sure enough, it's worse. Not only does it flicker harder than the original, but it has a yellow tint to the screen and a dead pixel right in the middle. Call Google ask if I can ship the new, worse unit back and hold onto my old one until a proper replacement arrives. Rep says I'm SOL since now my 15 days are up, here's the number to Asus. Call Asus, told do a factory reset and call back if problem persists (waste of a call). Call them again, now I'm told I have to ship the thing myself, wait two weeks and either get a new one or a repaired one. No friggin' way.
Call Google again, ready for a phone fight with the reps so they would escalate this. Had I known the replacement would have been (more!) defective, I would have returned the unit right then an there. Tell the rep I'm very upset and that I want to ship both tablets back, get my money back and be done with it. Says that's beyond the scope of what he can do, so he "escalates" the issue to a Google specialist via email, who should get in touch with me "within the next few days due to high order volume".
So now I wait patiently for a reply, hopefully one that doesn't say I'm not their problem anymore. I just want my money back so can I waltz into a retailer and buy a 16GB Nexus, and return it right there if the damn thing is defective.
Good luck. I'm sure Google is swamped with similar issues and it's highly unlikely that you can get your old unit back. However, while you wait get a sheet of paper out and a nice pen and write a tasteful letter to a Google exec. that is in charge with Customer Relations and/or Product Marketing and explain your dis-satisfaction. Don't expect a replacement unit to come to your door next day, but I've found that the "Old fashioned" way of communicating with a company is sometimes the quickest way to get heard. It can at least get your foot in the door.
Good luck.
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
Ravynmagi said:
I had a similar issue. Wasn't happy with first Nexus 7 and got an RMA. The second one arrives and it's even worse.
I called Google asking if I can RMA the second one and keep the first while I wait for the third. The rep says no. But minutes after hanging up with her I got a new RMA number that included the serial number of my second Nexus 7. I clicked the link to request the replacement, like I did the first time. Boxed up the second Nexus 7 and shipped it back.
I got the third Nexus 7 today, still have my first.
Sadly however, I can not ****ing believe it, but the third is even worse than the second. Google and ASUS must be playing some practical joke on me or something. So at this point I shipping both tablets back. Between my iPad 3 and Galaxy Nexus, I didn't need the Nexus 7 that damn bad anyway. Just disappointing that ASUS's quality is such a nightmare that I could get 3 tablets and they all have defects.
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Seriously, I mean there's a difference between first batch quirks and units falling apart being shipped out. I mean, thankfully neither of my units had screen lift or dead touch zones, but any of these problems are things that never should make it through Quality Control regardless.
And while I am very disillusioned with Google at the moment, I still place most of the blame on Asus. For now...
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Well I just got an 8gb yesterday no issues with flicker but once in while an app might force close or I can't tap n the screen have to hit home button or power to unlock and go back. But everything else seems perfect.
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Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7
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Judging by the dozen posts you've made on here so far, I'd like to see what you'd have to say if you weren't "very happy".
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
IceColdKila said:
So to understand the OP.
#1. Buy new Nexus 7 from Google directly its defective
#2. Get new Nexus 7 directly from Google, its defective but worse.
#3. Google tells you to call ASUS for repairs pay for shipping to ASUS yourself.
#4. Finally give up want to return second worse Nexus 7 back to Google for refund rep in India (I am guessing) says its beyond their scope. Has to wait days for a Specialist to grant their holy permission to I am hoping your return for full refund the Nexus 7 while you can.
All while waiting days if not weeks
Note to self from now on Buy Apple, from Apple store if defective, return to Apple store, walk out with new one.
Just so happens I am very happy with my Nexus 7, but had I experienced a fraction of the problems I would have been out a while ago.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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Buying Apple is just a mistake in itself.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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That might be what you think. . I have not had any problems with my Nexus 7 (thank god). No screen lift what so ever, no dead pixels (yet), and no screen "flicker" (I don't even know what people are calling a screen flicker). So far Im counting my blessings as my ASUS Tranformer Prime was an absolute nightmare. I do however, think that the display is awful. Its much better than my Prime, but it is out great at all. The colors are off, it ghosts for a few seconds after watching a video, Netflix looks awful, and text looks blurry. I've always been partial to display tech, but I was expecting much more out of this display. When you put it up next to the retina iPad it is no competition. I still love my 7 and wont be getting rid of it anytime soon and most of all I was expecting a lot out of a $200 tablet, but I can't help but imagine how much better this device would be if HTC or Samsung produced it (Motorola would be far worse than ASUS IMHO). Say what you will about Apple, but you get a far superior product especially in display tech (the best spec by far in my opinion). You also get much better customer service, better apps, and there is not a company that comes close to competing with Apple and Jony Ive in build quality in phones, tablets, or any tech period.
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I'm sorry I'm double posting but I just want to say something. Ummmm, you say that if he buys at apple and it seems to be defective he can just go straight to the apple store and tell them that his phone is defective and they will just give him a new 1 and he will walk out with a new 1 well couldn't he do that if with his nexus seven if he had bought his nexus 7 from target gamestop or office max I'm pretty sure he could you're making it out like any device bought from apple that if a defection comes up at anytime he can just take that device right back to apple and walk out with a new 1 i mean you're forgetting to mention the fact of the of how much apple charges for a simple defect let's just say his microphone bad well that cost my dad 117 dollars for him to walk out with a new iphone and it turns out that was just a simple software problem. Nexus 7 would be perfectly fine if he would have just bought it from any retailer instead of pre ordering from google play. It's not his fault of the device is faulty we all know now that asus is having some production problems with the nexus 7 but it seems that the ones but from retailers are pretty good. And if he buys on from a retailer thats not pretty good he can just walk right back to that retailer and switch it out for a good 1. Just like he could do at apple.
I'm sorry if there is some grammar problems here I used google voice to type out this entire thing because I just did not feel like typing and I love my nexus 7 on how it can understand me almost perfectly
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First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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Ravynmagi said:
I love the Nexus 7. But a good quality display is the most important thing and it's a shame ASUS seems to have royally screwed this up with a lot of the Nexus 7s. My freaking Nook Color looks better (besides the lower DPI) and it was a cheap tablet too.
I would have rather seen the Nexus 7 go with a cheaper TI OMAP 4 processor instead of the Tegra 3 if it meant a better quality display.
I've decided to get a refund after 3 bad tablets and it kills me because this is the one and only Nexus tablet.
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I feel exactly the same. I was pretty excited that Google/ASUS went with a 1280x800 on a 7 inch display as that puts the ppi right up there with my retina iPad. Boy have I been let down. I didnt expect a lot as my Prime always let me down on the display front, but they really cheaped out on the display on the 7. It is not even in the same ballpark as the retina iPad.
I feel bad that you have so many issues with yours as I dont have any problems except just the quality of the display. Oh well i bought it as a glorified ereader and love the 7 inch form factor, but my usage from the first week has severely dropped and Ive gone back to my iPad and even my iPhone as I just cant get over the display. Some or holding out for a software fix, but Im not crossing my fingers as I think it was just poor decisons on the overall quality of products. I can say one thing tho despite the issues I have with it it was well worth $200 and it is still far and away the best Android tablet out and I dont see that changing until maybe the higher res Samsung that is rumored. Even then it will be held back by Touchwiz software and never be updated and I wont get me another Android device period unless it is Nexus branded and it runs pure Google.
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
ExploreMN said:
So how can people on a developer forum...who have no connection to Google or Asus, help you? What would you like this community to do for you?
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Nothing, I'm just sharing my story. I don't recall asking for help anywhere on my post.
ceejay83 said:
Does your screen flicker even if you turn auto brightness off?
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It flickers when brightness is below 30% and there is wifi activity, regardless of autobrightness. The rep who accepted my original RMA said this was a known "shielding issue" with some units.
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First of all if Apple charged your dad $117 dollars for an issue with software (or what turned out to be software) then there is def more to the story. Your dad must have been past the 1 yr warranty or had some very noticeable damage to the device (they could tell it had been dropped or misused doesn't have to be held together by duck tape or anything). Apple doesn't even ask questions if you are under warranty they simply take it back, check for water and physical damage, sometimes check for a resolution, check your warranty and replace your device. I've dealt with them for years and they have far and away the best customer service of any tech brand (maybe even any brand ever). I even had a 2008 Unibody Macbook and before I replaced it in September I had a major issue with the device not charging. It ended up being the logic board which is far and away the most expensive part to replace and I did not have Apple care at all. They could have pushed me out of the store as they didn't need to do anything. They ended up charging me $149 (which is just a little more than you claimed they charged your dad for an iPhone which is much cheaper in comparison) which was for parts and labor and within 2 days I had my laptop back. Not only that, but they replaced my battery with a new one, replaced my head phone jack as the rep stated it had moved slightly in over the years, and even warrantied the entire laptop for another year at no charge. Keep in mind this is almost 3 years later. That is customer care. Over the years I've constantly chosen Android over iOS as I love to tinker, am learning to code in college, like the open OS, and best of all it looks great and offers customizability. I dumped my iPhone 3Gs years ago and got me the Nexus One (best phone I've ever owned despite the many problems) and hadn't looked back until this year. I still have a Galaxy Nexus and just got the Nexus 7, but I dumped my Xoom and Prime for the retina iPad thinking I could deal with iOS for the much better display. I was blown away by how much better iOS has gotten. Now I use both and like things about both. I even got me an iPhone 4S which although a much smaller display and no LTE is still probably my favorite phone for many reasons. The display is almost 2 1/2 years old and still no Android OEM has caught up and the iPad will not be dethroned for a long time to come. I usually just read comments, but I just got done reading one of your ignorant de Apple posts and got done posting and saw this post. I don't know what your problem is with Apple, but I can almost bet my bank account you have never used or owned one of their products (outside of maybe an iPod as who hasn't). I don't see why so many people have to love either Android or iOS and absolutely detest the other. Either way you more than likely have never used the other OS more than a couple minutes and feel you need to defend your purchase to the death.
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You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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AFAinHD said:
You are 100% wrong. I had an iPhone for quite a long time, and I liked it, until I realized how closed sourced it was. So I got an ascend from cricket. Sure it was slow and laggy as hell, but I could modify it to make it a bit better. And when my dads mic went out, (nothing else was wrong with the phone it was a beautiful looking iPhone.) And apple charged him all that money just because of the work they had to do. It pissed me off. There are many reasons why I hate apple. Such as there relentless no support of flash, and the fact of how they constantly release a "new" iPhone that is the EXACT same body build as the last one just with a few different components inside. Talk about creativity. I mean do they even listen to their customers??? Everyone was complaining about how the idea of raised glass on the front, and strong plastic on the back was a bad idea for durability, but did they listen? Hell no, they were just like "Hey look its the new, revolutionary iPhone 4.......S!!!!" Holy crap! Its so revolutionary, it has a dual core processor, oh wait, that was done a long time ago, well it has an 8 megapixel camera, oh wait, that was done in 2008, well this thing sucks....
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I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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I agree with you about how crappy and overrated the iPhone is but, (this is gonna kill me to defend Apple) the person you're calling 100% wrong sure isn't if the phone was under warranty. They would not have charged $117. I know several people that had issues with their devices. They just walked into an Apple Store, and walked out with a brand new one. Recently, my sister's 7 month old iPad had a broken power button. She just took it the store, they loaded all her data on to a new one, and she left with a brand new device.
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No I meant he was wrong about me never have have using an apple device.
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Update! No email all week, so I got impatient and called a rep. Explained my situation, stressed the fact that I need this thing to take notes and classes start in about two weeks for me, so I can't afford to have a conversation by email that takes days per reply. Finally he offered to either RMA the replacement, or wait about two weeks for a full refund after a specialist reviews my case. I figured I'd try my luck (third time's the charm?) and go with another replacement. :laugh:
That sure beats the heck out of paying for shipping and waiting two weeks for Asus to repair/replace my tablet! The rep also said if, for some reason, the third unit is also defective, that a refund would pretty much be guaranteed due to the extreme circumstances. Certainly have a much better feeling about the situation right now, since I'm not just being told I'm someone else's problem or to wait for days to get an update on the situation by email.
There's just no good hardware makers for android out there this will probley be my last android tablet period to people who say they rather have Samsung HTC build it for what? So they can charge 600 for a pos that creaks and falling apart and no updates I'm really starting to understand why people buy apple I'm just to OCD for android I've had many android phones all of them a pos android is the poor folk apple
Until Google makes there own stuff like apple screw them I won't be fooled anymore regardless how boring iOS is
To the people who bought 500+ android tablet you got ripped
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Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen a smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/
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Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen an iPhone or some other smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/
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Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.
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True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.
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Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.
Well, brace yourselves, here comes a 16 year olds opinion. What my dad did was get me a plan, but I had to buy the phone. It was great because it taught me some responsibility and gave me some leeway. Please don't lock your kid down from having a social life, also don't let him buy an iPhone. And yes, this nexus 4 was paid for in while by me. As where my previous 3 phones.
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Beartax said:
I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.
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Well, the thing is even dumb phones can text, so in order to prevent that you need to not let your child have a phone at all.
Or just good parenting
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Let me tell you one thing. When I was in hs we all had blackberries and iphones 3g. Yes there were those kid who were into drama and stuff and non stop texting and they don't learn anything but there good uses for 15 year old to have a cell.
Although I don't condone cheating Google the answer to capital of new York is better than guessing a wrong answer because you'll know and remember rather than go on not knowing.
The other is for communication. Especially after what happened in Connecticut you child needs to call out or if they go out and get peer pressured to do something bad, they can call a friend to come or call you to pick them up before they are guilty by association.
Last reason is that bullying. We want the best phones and kid like to make fun of others who are less fortunate then they are. When you get older you view being bullying differently but could be devastating for a teen who hasn't experienced the adult world.
Smartphone for teen. Lab top or PC. Yes
Tablet and brand new car. Get a job!
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Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy
Buddy you'll be shocked that lots of decent developers here on xda-developers are teen. I myself started symbian development at the age of 17. So I think it's best not to generalize teens.
I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
If they work for it that is great, but if a teenager wants something enough they can make money to get it
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The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy
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Learn the magic of ROMs, boy. The Nexus S didn't even get the 4.2 update, but voila! A few days after the N4 was released, 4.2 ROM!
Also, if your kid isn't really like the teens on xda, he probably won't know or care about software updates.
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As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...
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I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate
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I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate
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Tell your son that. Let him choose the plan and the phone as long as he pays for it. You will have to make sure he doesn't get some crap China phone that'll break in a day, but otherwise it's all up to him to find the best deals etc.
Good luck to you, lol aren't you the OP who are you saying good luck to
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I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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Exactly. A phone basically should have thing in mine, to get in contact with some1 when they are doing a lot of work. Something was when I first got a job, my parents got me a phone so I could makes calls when I wasn't in school.
Since upgrading to a smartphone, its more than just a phone, you can access the internet with it and it can be a huge distraction, but its so much better then most phones out there.
To give your son a smartphone is a big resposibility, but something I learned is you gotta work to earn it, cant just give it for no work. f he has good grades and shows responsibility with it, then he deserves it. If he starts to show hes slacking behind, then its trouble
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As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...
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Dam.
You must not take a lot of notes cause I am sure you could write much faster than typing on that tiny keyboard.
I bought my teenage daughter a cheap laptop. Put k9 browser on it, an old refurbed iPod 2nd Gen and locked the iTunes store and safari, and then put k9 on it too. She has a dumb phone to call in emergencies and text her friends with. The locks at 8pm and if I see that her grades are slipping the phone and iPod become mine again. If I see she is spending all her time in front of a TV or computer theybget turned off and she goes outside.
That being said she is in Beta club. Gets A's and B's and has as much of a social life as she needs. She also won her class's physical fitness award. The place I spoil her is I let her do some name brand shopping for clothes. As long as I approve.
All in all we have our disagreements but she "gets by" lol.
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has as much of a social life as she needs.
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You actually manage her social life? That's not something I would really look over, unless I know she's with gangsters or drug dealers or whatever. Getting a tad personal there.
(Likewise, I don't look at my son's texts unless I suspect something)
Not judging your parenting, just giving my perspective
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Even though sprint is not better business bureau accredited, I have filed a complaint with the BBB against sprint regarding the fact that they have knowledgeably put defective devices in the hands of consumers, and are not making a quick effort to remedy the situation, I have also stated that sprint wants to replace the devices with refurbished devices, which are valued at a lesser value then a brand new device, and still charge customers for the full price of the brand new device. I have also pointed out that they are stringing customers through the 14 day exchange period claiming it is the network, and then on the 15th day saying it is the device, and making it very difficult to exchange the devices. any way I am encouraging any one who has had issues with their device to file a complaint with the bbb against sprint, as sprint does respond to their complaints on there
Yesterday, after many chats and calls with Sprint, and 2 trips to 2 different stores, I was assured that my device is fine and that the towers in my area are to be fully functional by May 7. We'll see if my service improves. I have the option of getting refurb, which is complete bs. A brand new phone that may be defective and I can't get a brand new one because I'm past the 14 days. So yeah, I'm with you on this if things don't improve in 3-4 days.
OP. The first device I've received had a completely black pixel in the top right. I exchanged it and got a new phone with a SCRATCH under the glass and a red pixel (which I'm guessing is dead). On my third trip the guy was reluctant to hand me a new HTC One, but when I got it, it had another completely black pixel. I completely agree that sprint is knowingly dishing out defective devices to people. I'll try and figure out how to file a complaint with them. Thanks OP
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please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices
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please do, the more people who complain to the bbb the better, Im also planning to email sprint the laws regarding knowingly selling defective devices
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Hard to prove stupidity.
Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
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FA43KSF... serial number
I agree with your anger. I have never wanted to switch carriers in the 5 years with Sprint until now. I wish I had not have sold my gs3 when I got my m8. I would go back to that and sell this one. I still might. It may be the towers for me, that is yet to be seen, but the utter lack of service over this is the frustrating part. I shouldn't get a refurb for a brand new defective device. "That's Sprint policy" though. Lameness.
Yeah, once I have my replacement I will be submitting a complaint to the attorney general of Illinois about the issue too, and encourage others to take part in that step too...also I can see by the increase in complaints to sprint on BBB's website that a good amount of people are seeing this thread and submitting complaints...ive been stuck on a Samsung replenish which is my back up phone for 4 days...also the serial on my defective m8 is HT441SF....
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Count me in on this. Not a happy camper. Two weeks of "it's the towers in your area", an hour + with three levels of tech support from my landline and finally a second trip to a store where a technician actually tested the device and entered an eTicket on my accounting noting my M8 was defective and needed to be replaced.
No TEP? $75 bucks to replace the phone through Sprint or screw around for a few weeks dealing directly with HTC. Why should I have to pay for a defective product that never worked well and progressively deteriorated into a worthless brick? I can't get calls from my customers or email in the field and this is not good for business so I'm desperate. Even though furious at the prospect of paying $75 dollars for a 4 week old phone that didn't work through no fault of my own, for expediency I begrudgingly went ahead and set up getting a replacement. Damn, what a scam!
After it all gets set up and entered into the computer, then the guy tells me they are on backorder and it will be 5 to 7 days before they ship.
I just about lost it but attempted to maintain some degree of civility while expressing my displeasure with this policy, their crap customer service that could care less and that my intention was to contact the BBB and possibly the Attorney General regarding this whole debacle. I know the guy I was speaking to was just doing his job and probably hears a lot of this but his one saving grace was asking me if I still had my old phone.
After confirming they weren't going to bone me an activation fee for bringing my old phone back online and not for the replacement M8 whenever I get it, I am now back on my three year old HTC Evo 4G but at least I can make and receive calls, get texts and have some degree of mobile data connectivity and can get email away from WiFi. In the post-contact texts from Sprint asking about my satisfaction with the recent call, I let them know this was robbery and that I would never recommend anyone ever choose Sprint.
I think I can put TEP on my replacement and trust me, if it doesn't work as expected I'll utilize it to the max and if still not satisfied, feel like this is sufficient grounds to break my contract and go somewhere else. It took days to get my M8 setup just the way I wanted it and I absolutely love it. Too bad I can't use it. :crying:
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Mine starts with fa43 also maybe I need to return it I just got it
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What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.
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What is the worst thing about this is how Sprint is handling it.
Not that broken/defective devices exist or broken towers.
Just that they could give crap about you as a loyal customer.
They treat you like dirt. And they wonder why customers treat them like dirt back.
It's been such a bad experience, it took all the fun out of getting this phone. So they botch something, it happens. It's they handle it like sh$t.
I would have been more content keeping my old M7 phone.
It started off like crap when they kept me on the phone for like an hour when I ordered the thing and tried to upsell a bunch a crap.
And the lady had put a Tablet AND Stylus on my order. I caught her at the end had her take it off. But she left a freaken stylus on there.
It was only $15.00, just small enough to not want to waste another hour on the phone and shipping it back.
Man did that piss me off to start.
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Sorry, but the fact that you got a stylus for a phone, that clearly doesn't need one, is hilarious to me.
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The lady I ordered from tried to upsell that stuff to me too. She wouldn't take no for an answer and actually asked me if it was a money issue as to why I didn't want the tablet. I was so irritated that I yelled.
And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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And that's why I only order from their website. No hassle and you get the same results.
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Because I have a SERO 500 plan (two of them) that's not an option. It's part of the dues you pay for having that plan.
I'd be long gone if not for the SERO 500 plan. No way I'd pay regular price for this network and customer service. It's getting close to not being worth the savings as is.
I agree with you. I have 2 sero plans as well, if not then I would be long gone too.
I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
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I have the opposite experience with Sprint. LTE is everywhere averaging 20 to 30 mb. I pay roughly 60 a line too. I'm not going anywhere lol
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I'm lucky if I get 0.5 mb.
My sprint horror story continues...was told on Wednesday of last week that my new phone would be there in two business days, got told yesterday (Monday) that it would be here by today...go to the store thinking I would pick it up today, and my phones not there, the manager pulls up the tracking and says it hasn't even shipped yet, keeps me there for an hour and a half well he talks to his other store people about who to call at the warehouse, instead of calling the warehouse like he would do if he had any freaking common sense
I'm not having any issues. Sorry to hear all of you guys, hope that I never fall on that situation.
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What's the defect about? I ordered my m8 off contract for 250 thru htcchampions.
I have noticed a general lack of advertisement for the Note 4, and I am not sure why. I find that very strange that Phone carriers do not place any effort in advertising the Note 4 at all.
I just checked the sprint website, and noticed the big ad for the IPhone 6, but nothing for the Note 4.
T-Mobile, Verizon, MetroPCS? Same thing. Yet, except for MetroPCS, they all have an add for the IPhone 6.
Only ATT has an ad on the fifth slide about the Note 4.
Why would these carriers not advertise the Note 4?
I noticed the same behavior last year
It's all G3 and iPhone. Samsung needs to give the dollars to the carriers for them to bother. That is mainly how it works. The issue is more on Samsung than the carriers.
T-mobile had a slide up for it a few days ago, leading to a pre-registration page. Maybe it was replaced by the iPhone slide.
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people that buy note 4 dont need advertising. people that buy that big of a phone go in looking for it
How can they advertise when nobody seems to have a price or shipping date for these phones? The iPhone 6 already sold millions from pre-orders and we still don't have a clue what's going on with the note 4. ?
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How can they advertise when nobody seems to have a price or shipping date for these phones? The iPhone 6 already sold millions from pre-orders and we still don't have a clue what's going on with the note 4. ?
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Good point, that's what I was thinking. The main thing they would want to advertise is pricing and release date, and nobody has either yet. I think Samsung has really screwed the pooch on this release.
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people that buy note 4 dont need advertising. people that buy that big of a phone go in looking for it
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thats a good point, but hard to believe a corp like sammy wouldn't be at least running some ads for their flagship phone...Although maybe they are the type of company that waits until the product is actually released before they start their marketing activities..
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thats a good point, but hard to believe a corp like sammy wouldn't be at least running some ads for their flagship phone...Although maybe they are the type of company that waits until the product is actually released before they start their marketing activities..
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Apple likes to advertise like crazy and if i recall correctly samsung had a big ad push for the S5 because it was more of a phone to compete with the iphone. Now i dont know. i think samsung would ran an ad to make fun of the iphone 6+ but you could right they could wait until its out like you said. I just dont see it as their top tier phone. most people will take s5 over note 4 due to size.
and btw i love your sig hahaha and i agree 100%!
I always forget about the S5, but I guess you're right, more people want a phone than want something with a stylus..
I rarely use the stylus, but the S5 had so many so-so reviews, thats why I had no interest in one.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the fan base of the note series is alot stronger on xda than the S4/S5 fan base was/is..
Who knows for sure; all I know is once the note 4 hits, its will be the most popular, "new" android phone out there, more so than a Z3, G3, or whatever else might come out in the next month or so..
Samsung has always done terrible with the release of the Note Series phones. When the Note 2 came out, I got it on launch day from T-Mobile. There were absolutely 0 accessories. When the Note 3 came out, I contacted Sprint to see when they were going to carry it, and 2 of the 3 stores in my area didn't even know the phone was releasing that day, so I bought it outright from Best Buy. Again, they had 0 accessories for it. The S series launches are the only ones that appear to get any attention.
Talk about advertising, I checked out the Verge on both the iPhone's launch day and Samsung's launch day event at IFA. Talk about free advertising and extremely lopsided press coverage. The Verge's site was nothing but apple stories how about 30-40 at least (no joke) and I was lucky to scroll back 30 pages to the IFA announcement and found may 4-5 for Samsung. That is not even remotely even press.
I think the lack of information about availability and nebulous delivery dates has shifted the carrier interest to apple who has product coming in and is giving customers actual ship dates next week. Apple has left samsung in the dust as this point. I wanted a 32 gig gs 5 and the note 4 is too big and will be very late I think so I will get a 128 iPhone 6 plus and I hate apple but Sammy has jumped the shark.
My country (ad signs) :
iPhone: Everywhere, like EVERYWHERE
G3: only one carrier
Samsung which isn't Note: Everywhere
Note: ....
iPhone wins in this regard.
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I think the lack of information about availability and nebulous delivery dates has shifted the carrier interest to apple who has product coming in and is giving customers actual ship dates next week. Apple has left samsung in the dust as this point. I wanted a 32 gig gs 5 and the note 4 is too big and will be very late I think so I will get a 128 iPhone 6 plus and I hate apple but Sammy has jumped the shark.
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If you wanted a 32GB S5, why didn't you just buy a microSD card and insert it into the phone[emoji15]? I don't see that as a reason to go to the iPhone.
Remember Remember the note 4 doesn't come out until some time next month while the iPhone launches next week so of course iphone has all the advertisement and coverage.
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I think the lack of information about availability and nebulous delivery dates has shifted the carrier interest to apple who has product coming in and is giving customers actual ship dates next week. Apple has left samsung in the dust as this point. I wanted a 32 gig gs 5 and the note 4 is too big and will be very late I think so I will get a 128 iPhone 6 plus and I hate apple but Sammy has jumped the shark.
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You may have a tough time locating a 6 plus the first couple of weeks, inventory is constrained.. iphone 6 on the other hand... I think apple went HAM on making these
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It's all G3 and iPhone. Samsung needs to give the dollars to the carriers for them to bother. That is mainly how it works. The issue is more on Samsung than the carriers.
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That's based on zero fact. If any company out there spend money on advertising or anything else it is definitely Samsung. But right now it's all eyes on the iPhone so that's what the carriers are pushing. In 2-3 weeks they will advertise the note.
Once the iPhone 6 comes in and people realize it's the same crap in a new case, Samsung will launch the Note 4 and give many people buyers remorse. Samsung says "let Apple have its day, then we'll continue to kick it's ass".
It was exactly the same here with the Note 3
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In 2-3 weeks they will advertise the note.
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That didn't happen for the Notes 1-3, why do you think it will happen for the Note 4?
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That didn't happen for the Notes 1-3, why do you think it will happen for the Note 4?
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It didnt happen with the first note but it did happen with 2 and 3.
Does anyone know the current Note 5 sales figures / volume / number?
The closest thing I could find is a comparison of its sales compared to the Note 6+ Edge but no concrete numbers.
I wonder if Samsung is keeping silent on the numbers because sales are disappointing?
If sales were record-breaking, I'm sure they would market it and love to throw it in Apple's face.
I'd like to know, too. the new iPhone sales and availability has been crazy than what I remember with the Note5 after release.
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I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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I can see that happening
KruseLudsMobile said:
I have heard the Note 5 sales were hurt because they did not offer it in Europe (yet).
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Samsung needs some confidence and direction. Stop trying to copy Apple. Apple sucks.
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Ha ha ha. I totally agree about the whole apple thing. Samsung should have called their new note the inote 5. Lol
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Why was it not offered in Europe?
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I just saw an announcement it will be for sale in europe in Jan '16
let's wait till December to get a good figure...
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-smartphone-shipments-to-see-first-ever-annual-decline/
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We may never know the real reasons. Officially, it was said Europeans are not that fond of a stylus and they would prefer the Edge+. I do remember, after a rather modest commercial start, the first Note got its success in great part from the European market.
When Apple finally announces a stylus for their iPad after explaining it was useless and after adopting the Note format they said was not a niche, I simply don't understand the strategy of Samsung.
However, rumors meet for an European version very soon.
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
Obviously if you don't like the note 5, then don't buy it. No need to be 'disgusted'.
It is just a phone...
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As a European resident i'd find it more likely we don't want to be fooled be Samsung in giving us an inferior Note.
Just look at the previous iterations. Especially the 1, 2 and 3. They were by FAR the best/fastest/most loaded smartphones out at the time.
The current Note 5 is just an S6 edge plus with a pen (and acompaniing apps).
And im (as a note fan) completly disgusted by this...
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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As some one who actually owns the phone, it's night and day faster than my Note 4.
The fact the edge plus and note 5 are very similar disgusts you? I need your life if that's all it takes to disgust you.
Some of you guys need to think more like consumers and less like scorned fanboys expecting special treatment because once you defended the honor of TouchWiz in a comment thread of and apple product.
Also how is Samsung trying to be like apple?
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. So looking at units sold compared to last year and not actually looking at the bottom line is kind of short sighted and looks to be bias confirmation for some people.
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Wow, you make assumptions like you're a pro. Too bad they're wrong.
It's disgusting that their flagship line of products are now the same as the mass-consumer product.
But i understand if you don't get it tho. Understanding what people mean can be hard sometimes.
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Lol so you are telling me that the Galaxy S6 isn't a flagship but a "mass-consumer product"? And it disgusts you that they used the same internals in the Note. LOL here we go..
First, before the Note Series existed, the S series was and is the defacto "flagship for Samsung". Keep in mind the Note started as a very niche product never intended to reach the number of sales that their flagship S Series did.
Do yourself a favor and search "Samsung flag ship" in google.. better yet let me do it for you:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Samsung+Flag+Ship
Please tell me what device occupies the majority of those results. I know this is simple but Im sure its more logic than you put into your response as an over privileged consumer elitist that can't be bothered with less than "flagship" quality..
Now that we have defined loosely what a "flagship" device is lets look at your reason for disgust. You're mad because a publicly traded company decided to save some money by not designing a whole new chipset and used one that exists and works. Not to mention that same disgustingly mediocre chip set is night and day faster than the last Note and killing it with a smaller battery.. Everything is faster, every, thing.. Some people will never be happy and swear the internet was created to gripe about the smallest things..
Also yes it is very hard to understand someone that attempts to articulate their confirmatory bias with ambiguous hype terms like "flagship" and "mass-consumer product". The hilarious thing is you think those two terms are not homogeneous in this use case.. :good:
pcriz said:
There was mention that sales were hurting because they opted to not offer the note 5 in Europe. What is being ignored is while they are missing out on sales in Europe, they are also not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to Europe. S
Not saying sales will be better but for the sake of discussion look at the whole picture.
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That's a good point indeed. May be they should save even more bucks by not paying to manufacture, advertise, and ship to the whole world.
I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
Marklan599 said:
I love music and books with a long commute to and from work when I want media on my phone.
I could live with a fixed battery but microSD is a must. I know other real users in a similar situation and it is with sadness that the Samsung phones can no longer meet my needs.
At the launch event a statement was made that Samsung listened to their users....... I have to question that statement.
I hope the next phones reintroduce SD support if I can wait that long........
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Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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pcriz said:
Just flew 6 hours from California to Maryland. Didn't have an issue storing enough music/podcasts on my device. Barely listened to half of it. A commute longer than that?
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The point is that people take Pictures and Videos. Over time, that takes up more and more storage, especially with quality and megapixels going up.
I have 60gb just in pictures and videos from the past 4+years. Just because people get new phones every 2 years doesn't mean they delete their old photo albums and start fresh. All those old memories pile up..
32gb on a phone isn't going to cut it. And I don't want to delete my old memories or upload them to the cloud and have to pay a monthly fee just to access them when I can buy a 128gb micro SD card for $45. Plus, I don't have to worry about having a solid LTE Signal. Plus, I can access a memory card in places where I get no service at all, like on a cruise ship or in a foreign country.
I need a swappable battery. I'm at Disney World and almost every here is walking around with their phones shackled to an external battery charger. It's so much easier to just carry a thin spare. It takes <30 seconds to swap and go from 0% to 100%.
Ok. You need those things, so you will need to buy a different phone...
Not everyone has the same needs, and samsung isn't designing the phone to meet everyone's needs - they are designing it to meet what they think the majority needs are and will sell.
It ok get a different phone. That's why they make different phones...
Is like being mad that you can only fit 5 people in a sedan, because got need to fit 7...
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