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Hello, I recently purchased the 3500mAh 3.7V extended battery for my dinc. Can someone tell me what voltage I should charge it up to? I am not seeing amazing results, so I believe that my battery is not completely calibrated. I did run it through multiple complete uses (fully charged, to drain, and repeat) so I don't know what the problem could be. Thanks.
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What were you expecting for battery life? Depending on the brand it may not be a real 3500mAh battery. One full discharge and recharge should be enough to calibrate the software though Li-Ion batteries have no memory in them. Check this out. It mentions extending the life on the battery but is still interesting stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries.
In fact that whole site has a lot of info on batteries.
Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Hey tiny. Well, from what I was reading about this battery, users got two full days with heavy usage (they described heavy usage to be streaming music, surfing the Web, testing, playing games, etc.) but, this is what I get, and it's the best I got (3 hours display,half an hour talk time). I even went down to gb to see if it would be good, but I didn't see much of a difference. And I did look at battery university a bit, but I didn't delve into the material. I'll check that link out.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Wow, that's pretty abysmal for a 3500mAh battery, especially in a lower consuming device like the incredible. How does that compare to your stock battery? It should be at least 70-80% better assuming that it's not really a 3500mAh battery. It may be a false claim that it's 3500mAh from the makers. I think 4 hours screen time on 3500mAh should be more reasonable for about 35 hours total time. I usually get about 1-3 hours screen time over a period of 10-30 hours total on my Galaxy Nexus. On my Inc on CM7 with stock battery my usage allowed me to go up to 30 hours, usually 20 on a charge with 30% left I think but it's been a while and I don't know the screen on time. It might have been about 2 hours.
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Yeah, that's why I am worried. And actually, my stock battery usually have me like a day with good use. When you put it in perspective, my 1300mAh battery gives me about 67% of the battery life that I get from a 3500 mAh battery. Is there any way I can measure the power of the battery? I take physics, so even finding a way to calculate the current, voltage, and/or resistance of the battery would help.
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Check batteryuniversity.com, they have a link for calculating the actual capacity, or if you know your model which you should you can Google for actual capacity. Someone probably has posted capacities of a battery.
just going to add that in my experience(I have 3 Dincs), just a 3500 mah battery isn;t going to give you amazing results on it;s own. power management on the Dinc requires some attention. i find that charging the battery in the phone doesn;t necessarily yield a full charge, especially if you are charging it while the OS is loaded(topping it off). so my strategy has been to run my batteries down to empty,replace with a fresh one and charge them in an external battery charger-but not just any charger but a RAVpower universal charger. I have an "official" Seido charger and that doesn;t charge my batteries fully either even though it thinks it has by showing a green LED. I know some people will say that batteries shouldn;t be treated like this and that they don;t suffer from memory effect so you are free to not do what I am doing.
the biggest things that use up the battery is the 3G radio and the Display so of course if you are just using your phone to do stuff non stop of course you'd be lucky to get 4-6 hours of usage. Even if you have your phone doing useful stuff over wifi like checking for email in the background, it does consume battery. but with my phone in Airplane mode(like overseas where I would have no 3G or Wifi), I;ve gotten a couple of days of Standby time.
other stuff I have done is remove any apks in memory that might be consuming cpu cycles and memory. less is more on a limited platform like the Dinc. biggest cpu hogs on my phone believe it or not is Facebook and Amazon App Store(my guess is that it;s periodically checking my licensing for some apps that I got from them). it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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it;s not uncommon for me to boot up the phone and for the battery to go from 100% to 90% in 5 minutes as the phone is initializing and doing whatever it;s doing. then slowly deplete from from 90% to 80% in 8 hours or so.
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Your battery gauge is lying to you (and it's not such a bad thing)
So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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So, I looked through all of battery university, but i still have 1 unanswered question. The website states that most Li-ion batteries should be charged to a mximum voltage of 4.20 V. However, does this apply to all batteries? I mean, my extended battery is a 3.7V battery. Was the htc dinc original battery a 3.7 v battery? If the voltages are different, then wouldn't the 3.7V battery need to be charged to a higher voltage so that the potential difference would equal that of the original battery and thus store the same charge? (theoretically)
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You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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zachf714 said:
You could check wake lock detector on the play store to see what apps may be causing a partial wake lock... I know gmail and uccw cam cause a decent wake lock time
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I did check that and I didny find anything very abnormal, since I already greenified those apps.
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Brower facebook and tapatalk for about 20 minutes nothing else. Dropped 8% . I also killed my battery yesterday watching a movie and playing a game took a total of 3 hours. What do you guys think.
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let your battery cycle a few times, this phone rivals my iphone 5's battery life, pretty amazing never had a phone before that did that.
No, if it dies that fast then it's user error.
Install betterbatterystats and look for wakelocks.
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let your battery cycle a few times, this phone rivals my iphone 5's battery life, pretty amazing never had a phone before that did that.
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How do I cycle?
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How do I cycle?
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let it go from 100 to 0 a few times, when i first got the phone my battery was pretty bad but after a couple weeks im getting 20+hours on a single charge =D
There's no need to cycle with li-ion or li-po batteries. In fact it's explicitly bad for your battery to run it down to 0.
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Jme369 said:
There's no need to cycle with li-ion or li-po batteries. In fact it's explicitly bad for your battery to run it down to 0.
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well sir, link me up with a valid source stating that.
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well sir, link me up with a valid source stating that.
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I'm confused what to do here. One of you guys tells me to cycle and the other says theres no need.
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There's no need to cycle with li-ion or li-po batteries. In fact it's explicitly bad for your battery to run it down to 0.
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Running your battery from 100% to 0% is useful in recalibrating the battery in the event of cell mismatches, which can happen over time.
horr1blek1tten said:
I'm confused what to do here. One of you guys tells me to cycle and the other says theres no need.
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u need to calibrate your battery like the guy above said by using your phone for a few days
horr1blek1tten said:
I'm confused what to do here. One of you guys tells me to cycle and the other says theres no need.
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Here's a very good post for information about li-ion / lithium polymer batteries:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40596097&postcount=3
You generally shouldn't need to recalibrate the battery on a new phone (since it's a new battery), but it doesn't hurt if you think your battery may be mis-calibrated. (for example, your phone sits at 0% battery for long amounts of time) Do you have any apps that monitor wakelocks on your phone?
i was complaining my battery was crap yesterday. iv gained 1 hour in battery since yesterday.
GSam reported 9hours 24mins avg battery yesterday. I cycled it once since then and today its showing 10 hours 38mins avg.
Hoping for further improvements.
The phone needs to know where empty and full battery is. I've always calibrated mine by fully charging and killing at least twice with every phone I've owned and had no il effects and got much better battery life afterwards.
So do I calibrate or cycle? If so, how do I do that? Im fully stock and the only battery app I have is the battery guru made for snapdragon devices. Idk if that's what's killing my battery.
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It does no harm to run the battery to 0% occasionally, but the advice i have seen is to try to not run li-ion / li-po batteries below 10% too often as that can shorten their life.
For a new device i would run it down to around 10% with normal use, then give it a real long charge till it indicates fully charged, then unplug it and wait a minute or so then plug it back in and leave it on charge another couple of hours to make sure it is fully 100% charged.
After you have done this whole procedure maybe 3 times, you should have a properley conditioned battery. My HTC One is usually at 50% or better after a 12 hour working day, so i am more than happy with the battery life.
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well sir, link me up with a valid source stating that.
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You are totally wrong I am afraid. LiON and LiPO batteries do not have memories and neither like a complete discharge/recharge cycle. The rule is 'a little and often' as far as charging is concerned.
Here is a link to an article which will explain further http ://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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You are totally wrong I am afraid. LiON and LiPO batteries do not have memories and neither like a complete discharge/recharge cycle. The rule is 'a little and often' as far as charging is concerned.
Here is a link to an article which will explain further http ://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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They do NOT have memory effect like nickel-based batteries, but they CAN suffer from cell mismatches which require re-calibration (aka fully charging, discharging, and recharging).
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They do NOT have memory effect like nickel-based batteries, but they CAN suffer from cell mismatches which require re-calibration (aka fully charging, discharging, and recharging).
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exactly!
Basically just use your phone for about a week, then you can start fixing it
My experience and questions
Thanks for this excellent post! I got my new HTC One day before yesterday and like the Vincent's post says, the phone had about 40-50% of charge when it came in the box. I was very excited to see the phone that I totally forgot about recalibration of the battery
I used the phone out of the box, and I have charged from 2 nights (from about 15% to 100% charge) and haven't run the battery the battery down to 0% yet (when I say 0% what I mean is the level of charge when the phone automatically turns itself off to protect from complete discharge). My questions below:
1) What should I do now to accurately calibrate my battery life? When I called HTC customer service today they asked me to do battery reset (steps below).
- Untick the quick boot under settings -> power
- Turn off the phone
- Hold down the volume up, volume down and the power button continuously for 1 minute (the phone seem to boot up and shut down 3-4 times during this process)
- Run your battery all the way down to 0% and then charge it fully to 100%
This seems to be a fair procedure but since it was told by customer service, I'm a bit skeptical. So I would very much love to hear some opinion of battery gurus here
2) Does the 2 night charging that I did affect my battery capacity (has the dent been made already)?
Please let me know, and thanks in advance!
PS. The battery life in my experience in the past 2 days has been decent (I have about 20% from 7am - 9pm) and I'm a moderate-heavy user!
I've been wondering this for a while but can't find much on the web. I was wondering if charging my battery when it's not completely dead will ruin battery efficiency? If for instance my phone is 30% and I'm going to need it for the night is it fine to charge it without the worry of damaging the battery. I'd assume our phones are advanced enough it wouldnt matter but figured I'd ask
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I've been wondering this for a while but can't find much on the web. I was wondering if charging my battery when it's not completely dead will ruin battery efficiency? If for instance my phone is 30% and I'm going to need it for the night is it fine to charge it without the worry of damaging the battery. I'd assume our phones are advanced enough it wouldnt matter but figured I'd ask
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Yes, you will be fine. I cant even run my phone out anymore.
Charge away!
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I've been wondering this for a while but can't find much on the web. I was wondering if charging my battery when it's not completely dead will ruin battery efficiency? If for instance my phone is 30% and I'm going to need it for the night is it fine to charge it without the worry of damaging the battery. I'd assume our phones are advanced enough it wouldnt matter but figured I'd ask
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Au contraire, mon frere. Keep your phone as charged as possible. IF YOU LET YOUR PHONE DIE, IT WILL LOSE CAPACITY. That's all there is to it. Charge it as much as possible, except if the battery is hot. If so, reboot, and let it cool for 5 mins, then charge it.
The first 2 days after I got my phone my battery was dying pretty fast but now that I've had it for a week it's lasting much much longer now.
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Au contraire, mon frere. Keep your phone as charged as possible. IF YOU LET YOUR PHONE DIE, IT WILL LOSE CAPACITY. That's all there is to it. Charge it as much as possible, except if the battery is hot. If so, reboot, and let it cool for 5 mins, then charge it.
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Not entirely true. Try to avoid the high end of the charge scale if you can, because then you're banking entirely on the assumption that the onboard controller will correctly charge-cycle the battery from the 95%-100% states. I just don't trust the onbaord that much.
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I've been wondering this for a while but can't find much on the web. I was wondering if charging my battery when it's not completely dead will ruin battery efficiency? If for instance my phone is 30% and I'm going to need it for the night is it fine to charge it without the worry of damaging the battery. I'd assume our phones are advanced enough it wouldnt matter but figured I'd ask
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No. That used to be a problem with older batteries (where it was known as the memory effect), but current-generation Lithium-ion batteries only suffer from this to an essentially unnoticeable extent. If you drop the battery below 10% or so too often (a deep discharge), you can prematurely erode your capacity. It's a good idea to do this once a month or so to keep things running smoothly, but other than that there's no problem with charging/discharging whenever (outside of force of habit and pride-- you can't boast about long battery life if you're charging often, after all).
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(outside of force of habit and pride-- you can't boast about long battery life if you're charging often, after all).
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I STILL don't get it. How one earth does anybody get decent battery life on this phone, let alone those RIDICULOUS 5 hour screen times? I'm assuming there's no way without rooting, though. I can barely get 2 hours of screen time. And my power saver is always enabled!
Appx 35% of my battery is consumed by kernel. About 20% by the OS.
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I STILL don't get it. How one earth does anybody get decent battery life on this phone, let alone those RIDICULOUS 5 hour screen times? I'm assuming there's no way without rooting, though. I can barely get 2 hours of screen time. And my power saver is always enabled!
Appx 35% of my battery is consumed by kernel. About 20% by the OS.
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I can just speak for myself. I root my phones before I use them so I have no idea how much better it is.
These guys who make the roms do some amazing stuff and take out a lot of crap to make our phones run better and faster. In that process, the battery life really improves.
I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
Apparently, you can charge some of the newer phones and tablets overnight and not have to worry about overcharging. These newer batteries are supposedly able to stop taking charge once they reach full capacity. I've Google'd this a few days ago and several users on several forums from different sites are all saying the same thing. However, although you can charge it overnight without having to worry about overcharging, heat conduction while having the battery charge might be excessive enough to damage the battery.
I leave the phone on charger all night every night and i haven't really noticed any changes in battery.
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I've been doing this for years with no problems ever.
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I've always left every single one of my phones to charge overnight. Do some people really take it off the charger as soon as it's charged? That seems like a waste to me, as you're using battery charge that you could otherwise be using throughout the day.
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I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
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That Motorola tip is total BS. It doesn't matter whether you charge it to 100% and you certainly don't need to charge it overnight to accomplish that although it's fine if you do.
Good to know. Glad batteries aren't as finicky as they used to be.
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That Motorola tip is total BS. It doesn't matter whether you charge it to 100% and you certainly don't need to charge it overnight to accomplish that although it's fine if you do.
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I think the newer batteries today become worse based on the number of cycles you put them through. Further, letting your phone only go donw to 80% before charging it back up again causes less strain on the battery and isn't a full cycle. The more cycles your phone goes through the less of a charge it can hold. This is why many people report to charge your phone as much as possible because it is actually better for you to leave it charging all the time instead of doing a battery cycle.
Many battery monitor softwares require you to recalibrate the batteries capacity to hold a charge after a certain number (often 30) cycle have been performed. And they consider cycles depleting your battery pass a certain percentage (ex. 70% or something). I did a decent bit of research a while ago and this was the information that I gathered from all of it.
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I think the newer batteries today become worse based on the number of cycles you put them through. Further, letting your phone only go donw to 80% before charging it back up again causes less strain on the battery and isn't a full cycle. The more cycles your phone goes through the less of a charge it can hold. This is why many people report to charge your phone as much as possible because it is actually better for you to leave it charging all the time instead of doing a battery cycle.
Many battery monitor softwares require you to recalibrate the batteries capacity to hold a charge after a certain number (often 30) cycle have been performed. And they consider cycles depleting your battery pass a certain percentage (ex. 70% or something). I did a decent bit of research a while ago and this was the information that I gathered from all of it.
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Right. It is better to charge your phone as much as possible because your battery is capable of only a finite number of full cycles. My only contention is that it is not required that you charge it to the full 100%. In fact, they say that it's actually better for Lithium-ion batteries to hold partial charges.
Never charging the battery to 100%, nor depleting it to 0% will allow you to more get more out the battery overall. But keeping it on a charger means that you shouldn't even be using the battery.
I keep mine on charge overnight, and if I weren't worried about wearing out the USB port, I'd put it on a charger when in the car, while at my desk at work, etc...
Acc. To motorola cust. Care
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I just got a "tip" from Motorola telling me that its best to charge my phone to 100% whenever I'm near an outlet and that they RECOMMEND charging the phone overnight to accomplish this. Are they trying to make my battery die quicker or something? Am I missing something about newer cell phone batteries that allow for constant recharging over the course of a single night without killing the battery?
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SO i contacted motorola through help and they warned me to not charge my phone overnight every night because it would "DRAIN" my battery.
however they said it was ok occasionally
that's a bummer cos it is pretty convenient :/
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SO i contacted motorola through help and they warned me to not charge my phone overnight every night because it would "DRAIN" my battery.
however they said it was ok occasionally
that's a bummer cos it is pretty convenient :/
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Sorry but whoever told you that is misinformed. No harm will come to the phone / battery from charging overnight unless you use a dodgy fake charger. I've charged all my phones overnight since my Motorola MicroTac in 1995 and have never had a battery / phone fail because of it.
All Motorola devices have good battery protection software, it won't hurt it to charge overnight. Short charging sessions are better for your battery but it makes no sense to worry about that either. The only way to hurt your battery is if you stuff a charge by letting it fill, then unplugging an plug it in several times. This can "top off" your battery and give you a little more charge but at the risk of damage and shortening your battery life. I personally don't recommend it. I have Anker backup battery if things get desperate or if I am out all day.
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Well yeah, how about Apple doing it and everyone else pursuing? prolonged charging IS damaging your battery. If you use a Chargie device (https://chargie.org) during your overnight charging you might prevent this, since it delays and limits the charging pattern to a safe value. But otherwise nobody in 2021 recommends leaving your phone charging overnight.
I keep noticing my battery will last hours on 1% charge. Has anybody else noticed this phenomenon on their phone?
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I've noticed it on a rather old device, a htc desire hd. (running a custom 4.4.2 rom) It lastest so long on 1%.
Probarly you need to re-calibrate your battery, after that it shouldn't get stuck on 1% anymore for such a long time
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I keep noticing my battery will last hours on 1% charge. Has anybody else noticed this phenomenon on their phone?
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Once a month I recalibrate my battery, and it will sit on 1% for hours some times, and then only minutes the next it just depends. Just let it die then charge it to 100% uninterrupted. Normally they get uncalibrated after rom flashes and if you put it on a charger but don't let it charge to 100%.
I haven't put any ROMs on my phone. I'm still on stock Rogers rom.
How do I re-calibrate my battery?
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I haven't put any ROMs on my phone. I'm still on stock Rogers rom.
How do I re-calibrate my battery?
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Let it die completely then let it charge to 100% before you turn it back on, that's my process.
This keeps happening to me too. Battery drains quickly then stays at 1% for several hours. Lasted at 1% for 4 hours yesterday. I've done the "let drain until powers off and charge to 100" a couple times now but it still happens
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Let it die completely then let it charge to 100% before you turn it back on, that's my process.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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oeusr said:
This keeps happening to me too. Battery drains quickly then stays at 1% for several hours. Lasted at 1% for 4 hours yesterday. I've done the "let drain until powers off and charge to 100" a couple times now but it still happens
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Hmm that's odd never had that issue, I rarely go below 50% during the day.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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It is if you do it every time, but not if you do it once a month or after a rom install.
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I always heard that it's bad to let it die completely.
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When your phone dies, the battery doesn't completely die. Phones shut down before the battery is completely depleted in order to save a little bit of the battery. So if you let the phone shut down from low power and then charge it back up there shouldn't be any ill effects.
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danny39 said:
When your phone dies, the battery doesn't completely die. Phones shut down before the battery is completely depleted in order to save a little bit of the battery. So if you let the phone shut down from low power and then charge it back up there shouldn't be any ill effects.
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Yeah, I know that, but I was just saying what I've always heard from people
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Yeah, I know that, but I was just saying what I've always heard from people
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This article is old but it explains why you shouldn't fully discharge a lithium-ion battery often! http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
batteries don't fully discharge even when the phones dies as an above poster pointed out. If you were to let it die then leave it that way for a few weeks is when you will start to have problems. the lower the battery percentage is before charging is correlated with how many cycles your battery has. So draining to 70% then charging is better than draining to 30% then charging. The point in draining to 0 isn't to prolong the battery but to recalibrate the software determining what the percentage of the battery is. This will not have any worse of an impact on your battery then letting it drain to 10% then charging. Batteries may actually still have up 20% left when you fully discharge them because manufacturers don't want your battery to ever actually reach 0.
If you never discharge down to "0%" then charge to 100% then your phone can never properly calibrate your battery drain. It is always a guessing game for the software so doing a full discharge cycle gives it an updated benchmark to guess off of. The effects to the battery are not that big of a deal. If you read up enough on them you will find that to be true.
when the battery gets hot, that has a much bigger effect on its life than draining it to 0. But clearly if you drain to 0 every day then that will have a huge impact on battery life because you may only get 300 cycles out of it where as you might get 3000 if you only drained to 70% every day. (rough estimates, there is real data out there regarding then if you want to know the real numbers).
jayboyyyy said:
batteries don't fully discharge even when the phones dies as an above poster pointed out. If you were to let it die then leave it that way for a few weeks is when you will start to have problems. the lower the battery percentage is before charging is correlated with how many cycles your battery has. So draining to 70% then charging is better than draining to 30% then charging. The point in draining to 0 isn't to prolong the battery but to recalibrate the software determining what the percentage of the battery is. This will not have any worse of an impact on your battery then letting it drain to 10% then charging. Batteries may actually still have up 20% left when you fully discharge them because manufacturers don't want your battery to ever actually reach 0.
If you never discharge down to "0%" then charge to 100% then your phone can never properly calibrate your battery drain. It is always a guessing game for the software so doing a full discharge cycle gives it an updated benchmark to guess off of. The effects to the battery are not that big of a deal. If you read up enough on them you will find that to be true.
when the battery gets hot, that has a much bigger effect on its life than draining it to 0. But clearly if you drain to 0 every day then that will have a huge impact on battery life because you may only get 300 cycles out of it where as you might get 3000 if you only drained to 70% every day. (rough estimates, there is real data out there regarding then if you want to know the real numbers).
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I couldn't have paraphrased that article any better nice!
I've noticed this in my Moto X. 1% lasts for a long time lol. Not that it's a bad thing but a little inaccurate if you ask me.
Ever since I've bought my Moto X, I've always let it die a few times then have charged it to 100% (full cycle) but it's not made any difference. Sounds like it's a bug in the software to me.
Wutang200 said:
I've noticed this in my Moto X. 1% lasts for a long time lol. Not that it's a bad thing but a little inaccurate if you ask me.
Ever since I've bought my Moto X, I've always let it die a few times then have charged it to 100% (full cycle) but it's not made any difference. Sounds like it's a bug in the software to me.
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did you charge it to 100% without turning it on? there may be battery stats (in a folder i can't remember but you can look it up) that you can delete to cause it to relearn battery level but i have read elsewhere that that theory is a myth and won't actually do anything.
IDK the logistics behind leaving your phone off, i just know i have done it both ways and it seems something else calibrates the battery when it is off that is not the android OS i guess but is the root level software for the phone or the bootloader or something. Im sure someone smarter than i could give a better explanation of the possible difference.
I've experienced the same thing on my Moto X.
Something tells me that it's somehow related to poor battery life... But that's just expeculation.
jayboyyyy said:
did you charge it to 100% without turning it on? there may be battery stats (in a folder i can't remember but you can look it up) that you can delete to cause it to relearn battery level but i have read elsewhere that that theory is a myth and won't actually do anything.
IDK the logistics behind leaving your phone off, i just know i have done it both ways and it seems something else calibrates the battery when it is off that is not the android OS i guess but is the root level software for the phone or the bootloader or something. Im sure someone smarter than i could give a better explanation of the possible difference.
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I always leave the phone off when charging fully. Have tried with it on too but same results.
Wutang200 said:
I always leave the phone off when charging fully. Have tried with it on too but same results.
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search around for the place where the battery stats are located. I think the file just may be in the cache but I know i read somewhere at some point about the location where the software stores its battery stats so that it can guess what your battery percentage is. Search for that and clear that folder out and see if it helps. I would do this right before my phone was about to die at 1% then do the cycle if i were you. But that is just how i would go about things.
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search around for the place where the battery stats are located. I think the file just may be in the cache but I know i read somewhere at some point about the location where the software stores its battery stats so that it can guess what your battery percentage is. Search for that and clear that folder out and see if it helps. I would do this right before my phone was about to die at 1% then do the cycle if i were you. But that is just how i would go about things.
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I've heard people say that the stats reset themselves at 100%. But that's just what I've heard. Haha
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jakereeves31 said:
I've heard people say that the stats reset themselves at 100%. But that's just what I've heard. Haha
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ya like i said earlier, i also did read that deleting that folder was pointless but who knows. If my phone was continuing to do what yours is then i would be trying all sorts of things that people said wouldn't work. Then i would throw the phone into beer, bc i can, bc this thing is pretty much waterproof as anything. SOmebody submerged the thing in water for 30 minutes and it was still running. So maybe throw your phone in beer as a last resort.