I love my Revo, but I feel like I have too much widgets, therefore lack ram. that's why I want to see what type of widgets you use, and see how much ram that takes nad how much ram you have on average
I use facebook widget, color note widget, a clock, beautiful weather, a calendar widget, the my verizon, the notifications for GO launcher, and of course GO launcher.
when I clear my ram, I have about 160 mb of ram. (including email music and smart keyboard pro)
I feel like I'm lacking alot, and this prevents me from playing high quality games.
Yea you have kinda a lot of widgets. Right now the only widget I use is the advanced task killer. I use to use the Sense 4 Widget until I decided to use something new. Just divide your widgets down into what you really need then you should have less widgets.
indeed, the only widget I use is the SIMI clock widget on my main screen
Sent from my VS910 4G using xda premium
I use all seven desktops and have them full of widgets. I decided this time around to only use widgets that came with the phone. The phone has no problems with RAM or battery. Seriously, not kidding. However, I have downloaded a couple apps that include widgets like Equalizer, SetCPU and WiFi teather.
gimpcell said:
I use all seven desktops and have them full of widgets. I decided this time around to only use widgets that came with the phone. The phone has no problems with RAM or battery. Seriously, not kidding. However, I have downloaded a couple apps that include widgets like Equalizer, SetCPU and WiFi teather.
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So how much ram do you have
Sent from my VS910 4G using xda premium
iamjerry123 said:
So how much ram do you have
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My point is I stopped caring for it. I learned to trust the phone. On a good day I have noticed it stay steady at 40. On a busy day it goes down to 20-15. I use adw and have the dock and status bars hidden which saves a few bytes. The battery still lasts about 20 hours. That's with me plugging at twelve at night.
gimpcell said:
My point is I stopped caring for it. I learned to trust the phone. On a good day I have noticed it stay steady at 40. On a busy day it goes down to 20-15. I use adw and have the dock and status bars hidden which saves a few bytes. The battery still lasts about 20 hours. That's with me plugging at twelve at night.
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So you never clear the ram?
Because when I don't it really lags sometimes... \: So should i just deal with it ?
gimpcell said:
My point is I stopped caring for it. I learned to trust the phone. On a good day I have noticed it stay steady at 40. On a busy day it goes down to 20-15. I use adw and have the dock and status bars hidden which saves a few bytes. The battery still lasts about 20 hours. That's with me plugging at twelve at night.
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You do know 40 ram is bad?
iamjerry123 said:
So you never clear the ram?
Because when I don't it really lags sometimes... \: So should i just deal with it ?
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After my second revo I stopped downloading and installing crap games and apps that have in-app ads. It seriously helps with battery and phone speed. I do get the common launcher restart and a few screen freezes here and there but nothing that makes me want to throw my phone because of lag. I guess its just preference. I can capture my phone statistics and email them to you so you can compare.
gimpcell said:
After my second revo I stopped downloading and installing crap games and apps that have in-app ads. It seriously helps with battery and phone speed. I do get the common launcher restart and a few screen freezes here and there but nothing that makes me want to throw my phone because of lag. I guess its just preference. I can capture my phone statistics and email them to you so you can compare.
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Yes that'd be great!
BTW My phone even though it has like 60mb of ram that's when it starts to lag. Is this weird? because wheres the other 60 mb?..
Gel Pen6 said:
You do know 40 ram is bad?
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Its not bad. I use my homescreens for 80 percent of activities and tasks. This phone really is badass. It helps if you minimize the amount of third party apps.
gimpcell said:
Its not bad. I use my homescreens for 80 percent of activities and tasks. This phone really is badass. It helps if you minimize the amount of third party apps.
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Personally, I hate anything LG because of this phone. It's a decent phone but never again will I get an LG phone.
gimpcell said:
After my second revo I stopped downloading and installing crap games and apps that have in-app ads. It seriously helps with battery and phone speed. I do get the common launcher restart and a few screen freezes here and there but nothing that makes me want to throw my phone because of lag. I guess its just preference. I can capture my phone statistics and email them to you so you can compare.
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Like when I play scramble with friends, it lags then my whole phone lags, when i get like a text or something. then i cant even go to the task amanger to end it because it's so laggy so i end up taking out the battery.
I have 3 screens, 2 widgets running, 147 meg in use 154 free on stock rooted and things are pretty smooth. As much as I like MT's work and respect it, break out 1.1 just lagged to much for me. Even after boosting the low end core speeds coming out of sleep it would take forever for the phone to become responsive, stock for me is snappy, out of sleep the phone dialer opens immediately etc... I get great battery life on stock and as much as I dislike LG phones now, I do like home except the lack of being able to change the icons on the dock. I really would like different links. I have been off charge for 14 hours and still have 78% battery left light usage.
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NM just figured out how to change the links... lol... Had this damn thing a year and never knew... I like home a lot now...
I have ons screen using the status bar widget and I use the sstcpu widget. That's it. Widgets slow it down when you have a bunch running at once.
Sent from my VS910 4G using xda premium
One thing worth mentioning in this thread is that you should remember android is linux. Linux utilizes ram a bit differently than what you're likely used to (Windows). A windows computer generally fills up the ram with all sorts of nonsense until it gets full, starts overflowing the data onto the hard drive, and lags (especially if you have a bunch of poorly written programs running all the time). In other words, on windows, more free ram is better, and that's pretty much all there is to it.
Linux (and therefore android) suffers from the same problem of course, if you fill up the ram completely by opening way too many programs it will still overflow the data to a swap partition.
On the other hand Linux tends to try to use the ram more agressively, because ram is much faster than the hard drives, so you tend to see the ram relatively full most of the time, especially when there isn't much of it to begin with, which is usually actually a GOOD thing... It means linux is doing it's best to go faster!
Again, of course completely running out of ram isn't good, you can still open too many programs and overwhelm the ram on linux/android, but the point is just because you see a lot of ram usage, doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem.
On another note the lag on my phone (with broken out) was clearly due to cpu governing... once I got my hands on the blitz kernel and set the min and max to decent settings I've not had it lag at all -- and it was BAD, lagging horribly ALL the time before that. I usually have a ton of crap running all the time too btw.
Just my 2 cents...
Edit: I should add that I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm fairly confident the above is correct. If not, sorry, it's only worth 2 cents!
i believe you are correct good sir.
As with making sure your RAM is under control, you can either use a task kiler or the one that is included in zep's supercharger. Shouldnt need to worry about RAM in newer phones as many will have 1gb+ DDR3 availible.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using XDA Premium HD app
keynith said:
i believe you are correct good sir.
As with making sure your RAM is under control, you can either use a task kiler or the one that is included in zep's supercharger. Shouldnt need to worry about RAM in newer phones as many will have 1gb+ DDR3 availible.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using XDA Premium HD app
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Saw the signature with the new tf300. How is it? Specs look nice and I have been looking to upgrade from my old gtab.
Sent from my VS910 4G using xda premium
haha i love it. i got the keyboard dock and its exactly like a laptop with it attached. although it doesnt have the screen like the prime, i paid 550 for both the keyboard and the tablet and the ICS is very nice. 32gb tab is 400 and 150 for the keyboard.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using XDA Premium HD app
I use Launcher Pro, and for whatever reason can only get 3 desktops (don't know why) anyway, I currently use GO Weather Widget, My widget for school, Facebook, Twitter, Rift (MMORPG), Sleep Bot. Rift and Sleep bot only take up 3 spaces on my main screen. the GO Weather is a 4x2 but they have a 2x1, 2x2 and 4x1, I like the 4x2 cause it has more stuff on it and its skins are fun too.
So far to test it further more I played some THD-games/tegra3 optimized games like DeadTrigger and Shadowgun and the lag is unbearable. Ive had the device for a while now(pre-ordered) but I didnt really have the time to try some games so Im not sure if its been like this or if its the update. Pretty much all fps game lags to hell. Its unplayable. Ive looked at vids on youtube of people playing similar games and theyre device seems to do well. Not mine though.
Heres some info that could help:
Nexus 7:
Not-Rooted
4gb space used( its the 16gb version)
OTA updates so Im guessing its the 4.2 ver.( google currents and all...)
You've probably got some app that is bringing your performance down.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda app-developers app
Disable the sync feature in Google currents. Also as someone said it might be a rogue app. Mine is fine gaming.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
The only time my N7 lagged was when I filled up my memory, I had 600 MB left.on the SD card.
What lag one experienced none
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
The only people who don't have lag while gaming is those that don't have anything installed in their nexus 7. I mean literally nothing, except the stock apps. Those type of people are the so called "geeks" and most of xda folks in nexus scenes are geeks. No use asking your question to these folks because they'll give the same answers: uninstall all apps. IMO what you can do now is root and install a custom kernel then over clock your cpu and gpu. I was having the same issue as you OP, but after a few tweaks here and there, the lags are reduced (but still visible somewhere). 4.2.1 is making our nexus 7 slow, that's a fact. Hopefully Google will fix this issue soon..
Sent from my Nexus 7 3G
stfudude said:
The only people who don't have lag while gaming is those that don't have anything installed in their nexus 7. I mean literally nothing, except the stock apps. Those type of people are the so called "geeks" and most of xda folks in nexus scenes are geeks. No use asking your question to these folks because they'll give the same answers: uninstall all apps. IMO what you can do now is root and install a custom kernel then over clock your cpu and gpu. I was having the same issue as you OP, but after a few tweaks here and there, the lags are reduced (but still visible somewhere). 4.2.1 is making our nexus 7 slow, that's a fact. Hopefully Google will fix this issue soon..
Sent from my Nexus 7 3G
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installed apps and games at this moment. not even a thought of lag in this device. rasbean jelly rom, trinity kernel, and optimized to my liking. oh, and i run my device at 1150mhz, underclocked., ondemand/deadline.
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I have my N7 memory is almost full way too many apps and games and crap and I dont have any lag in my games I dont overclock either
but maybe I am lucky
running PA 2.99 and Mkernel
VenomTheCat said:
I have my N7 memory is almost full way too many apps and games and crap and I dont have any lag in my games I dont overclock either
but maybe I am lucky
running PA 2.99 and Mkernel
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i know that feeling, having to uninstall something to install something else
One thing I did notice that I found unusual is that I'm always at 450-600mb of ram usage. I tried terminating every task and I only got it down to 400+mb. There's no way that the OS uses that much.... Or does it?
redmonke255 said:
You've probably got some app that is bringing your performance down.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda app-developers app
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how can rogue apps be detected?
stfudude said:
The only people who don't have lag while gaming is those that don't have anything installed in their nexus 7. I mean literally nothing, except the stock apps. Those type of people are the so called "geeks" and most of xda folks in nexus scenes are geeks. No use asking your question to these folks because they'll give the same answers: uninstall all apps. IMO what you can do now is root and install a custom kernel then over clock your cpu and gpu. I was having the same issue as you OP, but after a few tweaks here and there, the lags are reduced (but still visible somewhere). 4.2.1 is making our nexus 7 slow, that's a fact. Hopefully Google will fix this issue soon..
Sent from my Nexus 7 3G
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So your saying you only had minimal lag during the prev versions? If that's true then it can work if I flashed a ROM from the previous JB updates?
So your saying you only had minimal lag during the prev versions? If that's true then it can work if I flashed a ROM from the previous JB updates?
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No, you got the wrong idea. I said that my Nexus 7 got that blasted lag while playing games ever since I first got it. After root, overclocking of cpu and gpu, my Nexus 7 is somewhat having less lag than before, but it's still lagging nonetheless
Sent from my Nexus 7 3G
stfudude said:
The only people who don't have lag while gaming is those that don't have anything installed in their nexus 7. I mean literally nothing, except the stock apps.
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That is nonsense. I have loads of apps loaded, and the device is full of media, and I have no lag whatsoever. Either on 4.2 or 4.1 (which I have moved back to to fix Bluetooth issues).
The lag is a myth.
Same.. i have like 400mb memory left on mu nexus 7 16gb and no lag what so ever. Smooth as butter... im completely stock aswell.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using xda app-developers app
I have about 2gb free on my 32gb nexus. Full of games and media. Got a little lag before I disabled currents now the only games that get a little stutter are gameloft games but that's nothing new
Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk 2
I have a 16GB I bought back in September and it had the lag problem and I had about 600mb free. I kept doing the Forever Gone trick (filling up alll the free space and then deleting it) and it helped in the short term, but the lag would always return eventually. So I decided to bite the bullet and made a Nandroid to an external USB flash drive through the latest version of TWRP, copied /data/media to it too and then formatted /system, /data and /cache. Simply doing a factory reset wasn't enough; it had to be a fresh re-format of ext4. Then I restored my Nandroid and copied back /data/media and even with 600mb free, I have had no lag ever since.
I think a re-format on all the N7 partitions using a recovery built on the latest Google kernel (I.e. a kernel based on 4.1.2 or newer) is the only way to properly reset the internal map of the 16gb's flash controller for those that shipped with plain 4.1. A simple factory reset won't do it because it only deletes files via rm, rather than re-format with mkefs.ext4 (verified because after a factory reset, the files on /data/media (which lives on the main /data partition) were still there).
I suspect that newer N7s that shipped with 4.1.2 or newer probably don't have this problem, even if they have the same flash controller.
Sent from my SGH-T859 using Tapatalk 2
I had lad once, then I took an arrow to the kneee
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
I also have experienced lags in NFS most wanted. I think that problem is connected with multiuser accounts, because when the game started lagging, i have switched to second user account and killed apps running in background. IT helped and game was again smooth. IT was not once, I had this problem several times.
Wysłane z mojego Nexus 7 za pomocą Tapatalk 2
stfudude said:
The only people who don't have lag while gaming is those that don't have anything installed in their nexus 7. I mean literally nothing, except the stock apps. Those type of people are the so called "geeks" and most of xda folks in nexus scenes are geeks. No use asking your question to these folks because they'll give the same answers: uninstall all apps. IMO what you can do now is root and install a custom kernel then over clock your cpu and gpu. I was having the same issue as you OP, but after a few tweaks here and there, the lags are reduced (but still visible somewhere). 4.2.1 is making our nexus 7 slow, that's a fact. Hopefully Google will fix this issue soon..
Sent from my Nexus 7 3G
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Really? That's weird. Because I have 77 apps installed including the stock system apps (27 of them are games, quite a few are very large like GTA 3 & Vice City) and I have no lag whatsoever.
So no, it's not "fact". Stock 4.2.1 16GB unrooted.
I love it when people use their own tiny experience to create "fact" for the rest of the world.
simms22 said:
installed apps and games at this moment. not even a thought of lag in this device. rasbean jelly rom, trinity kernel, and optimized to my liking. oh, and i run my device at 1150mhz, underclocked., ondemand/deadline.
Exported by aTrackDog at 23:54:00 2013/01/09
AdFree,0.8.47,com.bigtincan.adfree
FibFlow,1.3,es.virtualcode.fibflow
Gmail,4.2.1,com.google.android.gm
GrooVe IP Lite,1.1.4,com.snrblabs.grooveip
MOGA Pivot,1.12,com.bda.pivot.mogapgp
PAC-MAN,2.0.6,com.NamcoNetworks.international.PacManMoga
StonerviewApp,1.87,de.kliemax.stonerview
VM Heap Tool,2.4.1,com.martino2k6.vmheaptool
* GTA III 10-YEAR ANNIVERSARY,1.2,com.rockstar.gta3
Noozxoide EIZO-rewire™ PRO Series,2.0.1.8,com.noozxoidelabs.eizo.rewirepro
* WiFi Tether,3.2-beta2 ***BETA***,com.googlecode.android.wifi.tether
Crackle,3.0.6,com.gotv.crackle.handset
Dead Trigger,1.5.0,com.madfingergames.deadtrigger
Google Play Music,4.4.811H.526848,com.google.android.music
gVoice,1.02,com.guidology.gvoip
Osmos HD,1.2.15,com.hemispheregames.osmos
PhoneUsage Pro Key,1.07,com.jupiterapps.phoneusagepro
Quadrant Advanced,2.1,com.aurorasoftworks.quadrant.ui.advanced
ShadowGun,1.0.4,com.madfingergames.shadowgun
Stellarium Mobile,1.2,com.noctuasoftware.stellarium
Undelete,2.1.3.3,fahrbot.apps.undelete
Velox 3D,1.3,com.galakau.veloxfull
Wavescape,1.0,fishnoodle.wavescape
X-Plane,9.70.5,com.laminarresearch.xplane_default
0xBenchmark,1.1.1,org.zeroxlab.benchmark
AdAway,2.0,org.adaway
Adobe AIR,3.5.0.106,com.adobe.air
Adobe Flash Player 11.1,11.1.115.34,com.adobe.flashplayer
AndChat,1.4.2.1 2012-12-18,net.andchat
AndFTP,3.2,lysesoft.andftp
Android System Info,1.25.2,com.electricsheep.asi
Angry Birds,1.1.0,com.rovio.angrybirdsstarwars.ads.iap
AnTuTu Benchmark,3.0.3,com.antutu.ABenchMark
APKatcher,1.0,nEx.software.Apps.APKatcher
App2zip,1.03,scd.app2zip
Asteroid Belt,2.02,fishnoodle.asteroid
ASTRO File Manager,ASTRO-4.2.459,com.metago.astro
ASTRO Pro,1.0.1,com.metago.astro.pro
aTrackDog,3.19,com.a0soft.gphone.aTrackDog
Auto Memory Manager,2.2.2,com.lim.android.automemman
Auto Memory Manager Key,1.5.2,com.madsquirrelapps.ammprem
Autostarts,1.7.5,com.elsdoerfer.android.autostarts
Barcode Scanner,4.3.1,com.google.zxing.client.android
Bard's Tale,1.3.3b,com.inxile.BardTale
Basemark ES 2.0 Taiji Free,1.2,com.rightware.tdmm2v10jnifree
Battery Monitor Widget Pro,2.0.6,ccc71.bmw.pro
Beach Buggy Blitz,1.2,com.vectorunit.yellow
Beautiful Widgets,4.05,com.levelup.beautifulwidgets
Beautiful Widgets - Pack 2,1.05,com.levelup.beautifulsms
Beautiful Widgets Animations Addon,1.04,com.levelup.bw.forecast
Binaural Beats Therapy,2.0.3,com.ihunda.android.binauralbeat
BookmarkSB,2.39,com.happydroid.bookmarks
Box,2.0.2,com.box.android
BusyBox Free,8.9.8,stericson.busybox
Cache Cleaner,2.16,org.lsartory.cachecleaner
Cache Cleaner NG,2.16,org.lsartory.cachecleaner.ng
Celestial Bodies LiveWallpaper,3.7.7,com.gentlemandroid.android.CelestialBodies
CF-Bench,1.2,eu.chainfire.cfbench
Chaos 3D Free Live Wallpaper,2.02,de.mame82.wallpaper.chaos3dfree
Chrome to Phone,2.3.2,com.google.android.apps.chrometophone
Compass,3.0,com.gamijo.boussole
CPU Spy,0.4.0,com.bvalosek.cpuspy
Cross Plasma Live Wallpaper,1.3,de.swagner.live.exp3
Dark Meadow,1.1.29,com.phosphorgames.DarkMeadow
Deep sea,1.0,com.samsung.android.livewallpaper.deepsea
Diagnosis,0.8.2,eu.thedarken.diagnosis
DiskUsage,3.4,com.google.android.diskusage
Documents To Go,3.004,com.dataviz.docstogo
Documents To Go Full Version Key,3.001,com.dataviz.docstogoapp
Dolphin License,2.0.0,browser.dolphin.firefox.opera.chrome.fennec.license
Download Crutch,2008-01-31,org.ouroborus.android.downloadcrutch
Dropbox,2.2.2,com.dropbox.android
E. Warriors 2,2.0.1,com.glu.ewarriors2
Earth,7.0.2.8421,com.google.earth
eSpeak TTS,1.0,com.marvin.espeak
Fast Reboot Pro,3.7,com.greatbytes.fastrebootpro
Flash Image GUI,1.4.3,com.joeykrim.flashimagegui
FMR Memory Cleaner,1.19.3.2,com.fantasmosoft.free_memory_recover
FVD,3.6.1,it.tolelab.fvd
goo.gl,1.5.3,com.bytelyte.urlshortner
Google Play Movies & TV,2.3.7,com.google.android.videos
Google Play services,2.0.12 (543433-10),com.google.android.gms
Google Search,2.2.10.546669,com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox
Google Voice,0.4.2.72,com.google.android.apps.googlevoice
Google+,3.3.1.40177215,com.google.android.apps.plus
GooManager,2.1.2,com.s0up.goomanager
GPS Status,4.0.1,com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2
GrubHub,5.0 R13,com.grubhub.android
GScript,1.1.2,nl.rogro.GScriptFull
GyroSpace 3D,1.0.4,opotech.starfieldLWP
Light Grid Pro,4.6 - Randomize!,com.joko.lightgridpro
Linpack for Android,1.2.8,com.greenecomputing.linpack
Live Wallpaper Daydream,1.0.1,com.cyphercove.lwpdaydream
Lock Screen Widget,1.1,com.droidmania.lockscreenwidget
Luminous dots,1.0,com.samsung.android.livewallpaper.luminousdots
Maps,6.14.2,com.google.android.apps.maps
MC4,1.0.1,com.gameloft.android.ANMP.GloftM4HM
MX Player,1.7.10,com.mxtech.videoplayer.ad
MyBackup Pro,3.0.8,com.rerware.android.MyBackupPro
Nexus 7 Camera Starter,1.0.3,com.gn.android.nexus7camera
NFS Most Wanted,1.0.46,com.ea.games.nfs13_na
NYC Bus & Subway Maps,2.1.1,com.episode6.android.nycsubwaymap
Ocean HD,1.3,com.dualboot.apps.ocean
OfficeSuite,6.5.1010,com.mobisystems.editor.office_registered
Patterns,1.02,fishnoodle.patterns
Phone 2 Google Chrome™,4.1,com.lg.valle.phone2chrome
Photile Pro,2.1 - Precision fix,com.joko.photilepro
PicSay Pro,1.5.0.9b,com.shinycore.picsaypro
projectM,3.31,com.psperl.projectM
Rainy Days,2.3.1,com.neenbedankt.rainydays
RL Benchmark: SQLite,1.3,com.redlicense.benchmark.sqlite
Root Booter,1.3,com.speedsoftware.rootbooter
Root Explorer,2.21.1,com.speedsoftware.rootexplorer
SD Maid,0.9.8.7,eu.thedarken.sdm
SD Maid Pro - Unlocker,1.2,eu.thedarken.sdm.unlocker
SetCPU,3.0.9,com.mhuang.overclocking
Smartbench Donate,1.0,com.smartbench.donate
Snapseed,1.4.1,com.niksoftware.snapseed
Solar System 3D Pro,1.31,com.kreappdev.solarsystem3dpro
Solar Winds Live Wallpaper,1.2,com.mai.livewallpaper.christmastree
SoundBack,1.1.0,com.google.android.marvin.soundback
Speed Test,2.0.9,org.zwanoo.android.speedtest
Speedx 3D,2.5.45,com.bytestorm.speedx
Springle,1.2,processing.android.test.springle
SQLite Editor,1.5,com.speedsoftware.sqleditor
StickMount,2.20,eu.chainfire.stickmount
Street View,1.8.1.2,com.google.android.street
Symphony of Colors,1.3,com.maxelus.colorslivewallpaper
SystemPanel,1.1.1,nextapp.systempanel.r1
Tablet CPU Usage Monitor,2.0.80,com.pocketappbuilders.tabletcpuusagesmonitor
TalkBack,3.2.1,com.google.android.marvin.talkback
tAttachApkInstaller,1.0.7,jp.co.taosoftware.android.attachapkinstaller
TegraZone,2.7,com.nvidia.tegrazone
Temp+CPU PRO,3.95,com.sanels.tempcpupro
Terminal Emulator,1.0.50,jackpal.androidterm
Titanium Backup,5.8.0.1,com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup
Titanium Backup PRO,1.2.2,com.keramidas.TitaniumBackupPro
Translate,2.5.3,com.google.android.apps.translate
Trinity Kernel Toolbox,1.9.14,com.derkernel.tkt
TweetCaster,6.9.7,com.handmark.tweetcaster
Tweetcaster Key,1.0,com.handmark.tweetcaster.key
Twidroyd,4.3.12,com.twidroydlegacy
Unrar Pro,1.5c,com.newzdroid.unrarpro
Vellamo,2.0.2,com.quicinc.vellamo
VidTrim Pro,1.2.4,com.goseet.VidTrimPro
Wallpaper,1.2,prod.intro.wallpaper
Wallpaper Setter,1.01,com.jpcxc.wallpaper
Water Ripples,1.2,com.appspot.swisscodemonkeys.water
WiFi Manager,2.6.7,org.kman.WifiManager
Windmill,1.1,com.allego.windmill
YouTube,4.2.16,com.google.android.youtube
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Out of curiosity.... How did u list all this... I'm hoping u didn't just write it....word for word loool
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I'm using my Xperia T since 3 weeks ago, and overall I'm satisfied.
However, since I got back again to using Chrome instead of the stock browser, an unwelcome thought that creeped in my mind well before buying the XT came back full force: 1gb of ram is just not enough anymore.
Yeah, I know all too well that Chrome's memory consumption is absurd (I seriously think my full Win7 pc would probably run better given the same ram amount).
But it's very distressing when you open the 4th tab in chrome, and suddenly every other app gets terminated by Android, including the music player (which I was joyfully listening to), the home screen, emails, messages, etc.
Problem is, that the situation is still the same after many Chrome updates. It looks as if Chrome raised the bar for device memory, setting it to a 2gb minimum for "pro" devices. This is ridiculous, and it's gonna look worse, given that in JB and onwards there's no stock browser anymore.
I think the XT is not even a bit future proof. If this Chrome annoyance becomes real and everyday's, I may sell it well before than I expected.
Any thoughts?
Since music app is "making processes and producing sound" actively then it must be considered as a foreground app. Or at least a part of it (services) is active on the foreground. A fore ground app can not be closed by the system unless the available memory is really critical (less than 4 Mb i guess). Sometingh else must be forcing your devices memory. Galaxy S3 has the same amount of RAM but i have never seen it stopping the music or radio with neither stock music app or poweramp. Which music app is that?
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_delice_doluca_ said:
Since music app is "making processes and producing sound" actively then it must be considered as a foreground app. Or at least a part of it (services) is active on the foreground. A fore ground app can not be closed by the system unless the available memory is really critical (less than 4 Mb i guess). Sometingh else must be forcing your devices memory. Galaxy S3 has the same amount of RAM but i have never seen it stopping the music or radio with neither stock music app or poweramp. Which music app is that?
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the app is Sony's walkman app (Sony's stock music player).
tell me, have you ever used chrome with more than 2-3 tabs open? try it. it can bring your device down to its knees, sucking away the last remaining byte of ram from the system. it did so with my last year's Motorola atrix 2, it does now with my XT. same ram amount.
other than that, I've got facebook and whatsapp, and the least number of automatic syncs active.
I never experienced something like this. Usually have about 8 to 10 tabs open for sites I check regularly. Phone is always fast and smooth
Sent from my LT30p (Xperia T) using XDA Premium.
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Same here. No prob with chrome on stock rom.
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Also no problems here, 6 tabs, while playing walkman via Bluetooth to a headset, auto sync on, WiFi on, could you try resetting both apps, force stop, clear cache and try again, see if it helps!
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I sometimes even exceed 12 tabs. Nothing so for. Because Chrome also has RAM management. If it notices that the free RAM is decreasing rapidly it saves one -or more- of the background tabs into a temp memory and closes it. Once you click on a closes tab it shows it in grey and takes 1-2 secs to relaod. It does not try to force keep every tab in the RAM.
In this thread I'm making different hypotheses.
1) Chrome sucks. It's dog slow, and becomes slower day after day (cache size growing indefinitely). It's pig fat.
2) Xperia T can't handle Chrome because 1 gig of ram is not enough for it.
The first one is a fact. I tended to just blame Chrome, but now I'm considering the second view too.
I'm happy if you don't have any problems with 6 or 12 tabs, but for me the issue strikes at as few as 4 tabs. Music stopping, home reloading, and everything. By the way, I wonder what are your average tabs' content in Chrome.
I am now testing Firefox and it seems it's much lighter on the system while displaying the same tabs. Now I wish they would strip out that useless extensions support... no one needs them, at least on mobile...
P.S.: When I say "four tabs" I mean tabs you're actively browsing in, not dormant/unloaded tabs!
How about the other way around? Does your browser keep refreshing if u open like 5 apps or more and go back to browser?
My s3 is getting an issue like this and I'm annoyed. Would like to switch or wait for 2gb ram Xperia Z
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wednesday13 said:
How about the other way around? Does your browser keep refreshing if u open like 5 apps or more and go back to browser?
My s3 is getting an issue like this and I'm annoyed. Would like to switch or wait for 2gb ram Xperia Z
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Usual apps get reloaded pretty quickly on my Xperia, it almost goes unnoticed to me. Other than that, I think it's down to the individual app's weight.
Judging from the running apps list, most apps weigh well below Chrome.
How come there is only 643 mb total available ram?
And is there a way to lock apps in memory? I want to lock browser, it keeps reloading if I opened 2 apps and go back to browser.
Or can we modify how android is killing the apps?
Thanks
Edit: I searched and found out that the gpu eats the remaining ram
Sent from my LT29i using Tapatalk 2
modem os will need some RAM... maybe try 3rd party browsers? like dolphin...
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The memory not shown is used by the video card (probably 128 mb), the linux kernel and drivers and maybe some core android libraries.
The scandal is that 300~400 megs used by android apps just to idle around.
Even an easy app like whatsapp eats 8 mb just to sit there and wait for incoming messages.
This really boils down to bad os design.
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I use the stock browser mostly cause it plays flash and chrome doesn't and before I update to JB I'm going to back it up with Titanium Backup I've also read that Jelly Bean can play flash too even if it's not as stable
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thenext1 said:
In this thread I'm making different hypotheses.
1) Chrome sucks. It's dog slow, and becomes slower day after day (cache size growing indefinitely). It's pig fat.
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I don't think it's quite that bad, as other commentors have noted your mileage will vary.
2) Xperia T can't handle Chrome because 1 gig of ram is not enough for it.
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Trust me it handles it just fine... Try it on a Samsung Captivate (or Nexus S which is equivalent) with 512 MB of RAM.
I am now testing Firefox and it seems it's much lighter on the system while displaying the same tabs. Now I wish they would strip out that useless extensions support... no one needs them, at least on mobile...
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I haven't tried the latest Firefox on my Xperia TL, but on my Captivate running CM 10.1, it was even more bloated than Chrome.
Try any of these:
Full versions;
Boat Mobile
Opera
Xscope
Dolphin
All of them are WAY faster than chrome, (especially boat and opera) and easily handle a heavy tab load.
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thenext1 said:
This really boils down to bad os design.
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Uh.. No.. Android has _WAY_ better memory management than most OS' including Windows. Try running Chrome on a Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz (MIPS equivalent???) with only 768 MB of system memory available.
Most versions of windows would choke and die on that.
the way Android handles memory is brilliant and allows for seamless multi-tasking. I would suggest a couple of things:
1) Root your phone and remove the bloated apps.
2) If you don't want to root your phone, disable apps you are not using. Like instead of leaving the stock messaging app enabled while using What's app, disable it. It will reduce your messaging requirements.
And really, don't you want your messaging app running all the time? Do you want to miss a message?
Trust me it handles it just fine... Try it on a Samsung Captivate (or Nexus S which is equivalent) with 512 MB of RAM.
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I don't have any 512mb phone anymore, but I've tried Explorer on a WP7.8 phone with that amount of ram and it ran faster, leaner, lag-less, and it didn't shut down tabs or other system apps with 6 tabs open.
I haven't tried the latest Firefox on my Xperia TL, but on my Captivate running CM 10.1, it was even more bloated than Chrome.
Try any of these:
Full versions;
Boat Mobile
Opera
Xscope
Dolphin
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I am already trying Opera (but like Firefox more for its smoothness, and Opera's UI is outdated after many years), and have used Dolphin some time. Second hand browsers are all more or less clones built around major engines. I prefer first hand.
Uh.. No.. Android has _WAY_ better memory management than most OS' including Windows. Try running Chrome on a Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz (MIPS equivalent???) with only 768 MB of system memory available.
Most versions of windows would choke and die on that.
the way Android handles memory is brilliant and allows for seamless multi-tasking.
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MIPS? ARM you mean? Either way if there's only 768mb available out of 1gb, it's still android's/google's fault. Specifically in my Xperia T there's only ~650mb available, making it a combined Google-Sony fault.
Besides, I'm not talking of bad memory management, but of Google's bad design choices. Without going too deep, Google could have chosen to use native code like ios, to improve speed and memory consumption. Java code (turned into native code at run-time) can not be shared between apps, so if 2 apps use the same java library, basically the same native code will be generated and stored twice. I don't know if android core libraries are native or java, but the minimum 3-4mb memory usage per process, even the lightest one, points to the worse option, at least for part of the libs.
Besides memory consumption, android's java runtime (dalvik) is not nearly as fast as it should be; it eats dust from .net (Windows phone) and oracle's desktop java. But Google is not interested in gettings these things better, unless we're talking of in app purchases, ads, or other sources of their revenue....
Also keep in mind programmers will do as much as you allow them in terms of bloat. Google's Android team should be slapping Facebook's all the time for consuming up more memory than a browser instance of facebook on my full-featured Windows box (66mb on android for the service alone vs 60mb on internet Explorer 10), but with their class-leading memory-whore Chrome, they come first in the blame list.
Ultimately, I think it's all Google's fault, be it for bad design decisions or for not keeping the environment controlled enough.
1gb of ram is easily enough for a top end device (though 2gb is optimal) but as has been mentioned, its due to 'bad' design, android was built for blackberry style devices and quickly edited to run on touchscreens to compete with the iPhone so at its core its not really a touch OS. If you were to buy an ancient castle and try upgrade it to a modern 5star hotel or build a 5 star hotel from scratch you will see what I mean - this is why we have launcher being killed from memory on the s3 with 1g ram, bad handling with the browser etc...
The problem is, while Google do eventually get around to fixing fundamental flaws (project butter for example) its always too late and after just trying to throw better hardware at it. An iPhone 3gs was smoother than the s3 quad core on ICS, that was embarrassing for them and they realised it was time to fix it in the software because hardware only improved it so much... Next year when our phones have 4gb ram and browsers lose the data and need to reload while iPhone 4s retain all 8 tabs on 512 mb ram will force them to implement a project ram type change to the os. I wish it wasn't necessary though because jelly bean on 2012/13 flagships should be perfect, not almost there.
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But still, why do we have only 643MB, while other devices have 800MB and more. Something is not much well done here.
thenext1 said:
the app is Sony's walkman app (Sony's stock music player).
tell me, have you ever used chrome with more than 2-3 tabs open? try it. it can bring your device down to its knees, sucking away the last remaining byte of ram from the system. it did so with my last year's Motorola atrix 2, it does now with my XT. same ram amount.
other than that, I've got facebook and whatsapp, and the least number of automatic syncs active.
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I have had this happen to me. Listening to the Sony Walkman App through bluetooth headset...and browsing on stock browser.. after around 20 mins or so..the walkman app stops and has lost the playlist etc and on opening shows the tracks as if they have just been loaded from new. Posted this on sony forum's but they cannot say anything on this behaviour.
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peetr_ said:
But still, why do we have only 643MB, while other devices have 800MB and more. Something is not much well done here.
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Let's hope it gets better on jelly bean !