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for those who came from a n4, worth it?

trying to decide between n4 and this phone. $300 vs $550 difference for me. I know n4 update rumored to release or at least announce at google IO.

Its worth it.
Better camera ,speakers, display, cpu etc
U wont be dissapointed
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bgaccord said:
Its worth it.
Better camera ,speakers, display, cpu etc
U wont be dissapointed
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I have both, 4.2.2 Vanilla kicks the HTC's non-Sense butt... but the hardware... oh sooo much better... I am waiting to be able to run vanilla on the One, that would be a dream...

bob13bob said:
trying to decide between n4 and this phone. $300 vs $550 difference for me. I know n4 update rumored to release or at least announce at google IO.
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I have both and it is a matter of preference. The One is a fine piece of Hardware if you can get one with no problems Sense 5 is nice and well done, great camera, and amazing sound. Nexus 4 you will have the most current software out there but a sub par camera IMHO. Both have good call quality reception etc etc. I like them both for different reasons it is just a matter of personal preference. Good luck with your decision just be sure to check your One over before you walk out of the store I am #3 but it seems good so far. First one was very excessive heat and major lag issues and the second one the volume rocker did not work. Just letting you know so if you make the decision you can know to check them out before you leave

thanks for the responses.

I bought a nexus 4 earlier this month and a one on Saturday. I am returning ng the n4 because hspa was just too slow for me. I came from a one x which I had set on h instead of lte was still faster at loading web pages. Even when I was using WiFi, I found my one x faster and locked on better. There are some aspects of the N4 I like but the one is pretty sweet. Happy I switched.
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bgaccord said:
Its worth it.
Better camera ,speakers, display, cpu etc
U wont be dissapointed
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+1

It's definitely better than the n4. Vanilla android is featureless, colorless, and boring and the one runs faster and smoother than the N4 and the software and hardware is miles better than the N4

thanks guys. after playing with demo units today, I'm gonna go with new n4 (hopefull released on the 15th). JUst not worth the $300 premium for me. I found out i like the stock android experience.

I ended up upgrading to the ONE, it's been only two days but I'm kind of leaning towards It not being worth the cost premium.
The colors are a bit nicer, and the screen autobright is brighter, but my eyes can't really tell the difference in clarity. I'll be switching back and forth and will update my post later.
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Nexus 4
bob13bob said:
I ended up upgrading to the ONE, it's been only two days but I'm kind of leaning towards It not being worth the cost premium.
The colors are a bit nicer, and the screen autobright is brighter, but my eyes can't really tell the difference in clarity. I'll be switching back and forth and will update my post later.
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I owned the Nexus 4 since Nov. Now I have the One Developer. I can honestly say the following:
PROS
1 - The One is noticeably faster
2 - Flash is there on stock browser
3 - GPS locks are lightning fast
4 - Screen is sharper, clearer, better color reproduction
5 - Camera is much better
6 - Battery life is better (after last update)
7 - Sound from speakers is incredible - blows away the Nexus
8 - Listening thru good headset the sound coming from the HTC again blows away the Nexus (Beats)
9 - 64 gb storage vs 16 max on the Nexus
10 - Voice quality on normal calls is crystal clear
11 - Build quality much better
CONS
1 - No wireless charging
2 - No Google Wallet
3 - Nexus 4 will always get the updates first
CC

bob13bob said:
I ended up upgrading to the ONE, it's been only two days but I'm kind of leaning towards It not being worth the cost premium.
The colors are a bit nicer, and the screen autobright is brighter, but my eyes can't really tell the difference in clarity. I'll be switching back and forth and will update my post later.
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let me know how the comparison between HTC One and Nexus 4 goes as I'm in the same situation. I currently use the N4 and been tempted to buy the HTC One but what has stopped me so far is the Sense UI and the quality of the camera (for a phone of this price).

mkouk said:
let me know how the comparison between HTC One and Nexus 4 goes as I'm in the same situation. I currently use the N4 and been tempted to buy the HTC One but what has stopped me so far is the Sense UI and the quality of the camera (for a phone of this price).
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quality of the camera is best .. its better than the iPhone 5 , Nexus 4' camera stands nowhere infront of htc one's camera. Hardware wise s4 pro vs snapdragon 600= huge difference . And Sense UI is way better than stock android ui atleast for me and dozen of folks around . Samsung GS4 is rubbish build quality sucks infront of the all metal one , ONE feels way better in hand ( both are of same price approx.) SGS4 camera has tough competition from our 4 ultrapixel cam .. You are wrong about the sense ui and quality of the cam ITS the one of the best out here on mobile (probs on no.1)

I'm not bothered about comparisons between the HTC One and Galaxy S4. I had the Galaxy Nexus and the AMOLED screen is not my preference. I do however, have a preference towards Stock UI. I have been using Nexus phones since Nexus One. The camera is only an issue if i decide to flash CM on the HTC One which means that the AOSP rom will not be able to process the photos in the same way, resulting in bad quality photos.

Depends on what you want from your phone and what style suits you, both of those phones can perform really well, so it really comes down to what you like the look of and what pros and cons can sway you as an individual.
For me the One is the better phone, without sounding biased.
Plus with cyanogen mod team doing their thing it won't be long until we have a fully fledged working vanilla style rom.

aditya. said:
quality of the camera is best .. its better than the iPhone 5 , Nexus 4' camera stands nowhere infront of htc one's camera. Hardware wise s4 pro vs snapdragon 600= huge difference . And Sense UI is way better than stock android ui atleast for me and dozen of folks around . Samsung GS4 is rubbish build quality sucks infront of the all metal one , ONE feels way better in hand ( both are of same price approx.) SGS4 camera has tough competition from our 4 ultrapixel cam .. You are wrong about the sense ui and quality of the cam ITS the one of the best out here on mobile (probs on no.1)
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here's a thread on it's camera. i posted a comparison n4 vs one shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41717762#post41717762
you can look at youtube vids to see how the one is ever so slightly faster in opening up browser and loading webpages. However, the nexus 4 is faster scrolling tapatalk and 8 tracks (one has jitters here).

cc999 said:
I owned the Nexus 4 since Nov. Now I have the One Developer. I can honestly say the
following:
PROS
1 - The One is noticeably faster
2 - Flash is there on stock browser
3 - GPS locks are lightning fast
4 - Screen is sharper, clearer, better color reproduction
5 - Camera is much better
6 - Battery life is better (after last update)
7 - Sound from speakers is incredible - blows away the Nexus
8 - Listening thru good headset the sound coming from the HTC again blows away the Nexus (Beats)
9 - 64 gb storage vs 16 max on the Nexus
10 - Voice quality on normal calls is crystal clear
11 - Build quality much better
CONS
1 - No wireless charging
2 - No Google Wallet
3 - Nexus 4 will always get the updates first
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tmobile 1.27 here. 1.29 is supposed to improve things like camera, and the capacitive buttons. Both phones stock. i've used my nexus 4 for ~12days and my one for 3 days so far on tmobile. If the camera was clearly better or I needed the wifi calling or LTE, it would be worth the $230 premium to me easily. If you ave the option of a subsidized phone, then I would buy an S4 > resell, then buy the phone you want.
with tmobile, I haven't needed wifi calling yet, data speeds are plenty fast without lte (and we don't have it yet). The camera difference discussed in more detail here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41717762#post41717762
what's important nexus 4 vs one for me.
NEXUS 4 PROS
-noticeably faster in 8 tracks and tapatalk. (especially when scrolling, the one jitters a lot more) [turn taptalk posts/page to 50]
see discussion here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41719714#post41719714
update After enabling 2d gfx acceleration. The one is now a lot faster scrolling in 8 tracks. the N4 is slighly faster scroller in tapatalk. Giving the edge to ONE here now.
-camera is better outdoors. haven't done enough indoor testing to know yet.
-one gets hotter while using away from wifi
-less bezel, and much better screen to front face ratio. part of this is the physical buttons and front
speakers
-*major the n4 keyboard is much better. the one keyboard lags when switching to number mode and back. Also, during intensive applications the ONE keyboard lags even when typing letters. more noticeable when swyping. Swype on n4 is also better.
-the OS is more intuitive.
-power controls accessible from the the slide down menu.
-one has overly fragile camera cover plastic from reports here
-gallery app much better. I can share via gmail app and google plus directly and easily. on the one, you have to open up gmail app, then hit attach > find your folder.
-you can browse all your google cloud uploaded photoS on the gallery app.
-*minor n4 has google wallet (i use rarely)
-naked, the n4 is more comfortable in my hands.
BUTTONS
-htc one has physcial buttons, but the menu button is onscreen for much of the phone use. it's a waste of
screen space. the n4 has all on screen buttons. 100% on screen >> 40% on screen + 60% off screen buttons.
-at the botton of the front face, the htc has a speaker, capacitive buttons, and onscreen menu button. a
big chunk of space I consider not well spent. n4 has much less wasted space
-htc one capacitive buttons are less ergonomic for me to hit, because of this the phone feels less
ergonomic.
-on n4 screen buttons. I thought I would hate them, but I found out I love them.
*major visual feedback when a button is pressed. with the one, sometimes I miss the home button, and have
to press multiple times. (supposed to be improved with 1.29 update). this never happens with the n4.
every button lets you know when it's pressed. you know when you missed, and when the phone is just lagging.
*back, home, multitask, and menu buttons on in the same easy to find place.
*buttons change dynamically. if the back buttons minimizes the keyboard, it changes it's shape to be clear
It displays a menu button only when and if there is a menu option
ONE PROS
-*major screen has better colors,
-screen better clarity
-*major screen is brighter under auto bright
-*major battery life is supposed to be better, haven't had long enough to really evaluate
-*major 32gb vs 16gb on the n4 model. it's a major to me.
-IR remote is really cool. I don't know how much I'll use it though. Hopefully they come out with some 3rd party universal programmable remote software. If so, this will turn in to a *MAJOR.
-phone looks sleak, metal construction
-phone is louder, sounds better
-phone vibrate is very strong
-tmobile wifi calling + lte
-*major camera is better low light shooter, and quicker to focus
neutral
-the n4 is slightly wider screen aspect ratio. fits slightly more horizontal text reading. The one has more vertical space, more vertical text (at least when you don't have that pesky menu bar)
-gps locks plenty fast on both devices
-one phone feels denser

bob13bob said:
here's a thread on it's camera. i posted a comparison n4 vs one shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41717762#post41717762
you can look at youtube vids to see how the one is ever so slightly faster in opening up browser and loading webpages. However, the nexus 4 is faster scrolling tapatalk and 8 tracks (one has jitters here).
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thats because tapatalk is not optimised for 1080p

update After enabling 2d gfx acceleration. The one is now a lot faster scrolling in 8 tracks. the N4 is slighly faster scroller in tapatalk. Giving the edge to ONE here now.

My Note 4 thoughts

I figured it might be a good idea to share my thoughts on the Note 4, since I always put a lot of research into smartphone buying and someone might find it useful There are some of you that are still leaning toward different flagships all of the time (like I did!), so I hope this helps.
First of all I would like to mention that about a month ago I made up my mind to give up my LG G2 and switch to a new smartphone.
The Xiaomi mi4 came up first.
I liked the design, UI, price, specs. Everything about the mi4 is just above average, but thats about it. It didn't have that even slightest "wow factor" that I needed to push me to buying one. It's a very good phone, but the warranty would require me to send the phone far into the unknown in case something was wrong, I wasn't sure If I would pay tax as well. Nobody had the 64 gb model either (16gb and no card expansion, really?!). I decided that this would probably be a wise choice but it didn't offer anything more than what I already had on the G2, and in some cases, it was worse (camera). I passed.
My second choice was the LG G3.
So like always, I started researching, checking out different variants and prices, digging through the specs, looking for its strong sides and flaws. I liked the quad hd display at first, the SD 801 SoC, good camera with laser autofocus. The UI was a nice upgrade from the LG G2's cartoonish look. The 32 gb model seemed a good option with its 3gb of ram (although I didn't like the design as I wanted something different from the G2).
As I started to dig deaper though, I noticed that the display isn't all that awesome, as there is more to it than just resolution. I think they might have made the phone much better if they sticked to a 1080p panel and focused on other aspects like color reproduction, brightness, power consumption. I found out that the 801 chip is stretched to its limits (even over them..) with that display, which caused overheating, throttling and lagging in demanding tasks and games. I believe a smartphone should be able to handle anything you throw at it so I dumped the G3 from my plans.
Then the Z3 came up.
So again- researching, digging, looking at the cons and pros. I liked the design a lot better than the G3 (besides the plastic corners, although I can justify the reason they used them for). The display was beytter than the Z2, with very good brightness and color reproduction after making some adjustments to the stock settings. The audio quality is superb as well, the whole phone is waterproof and its battery life was very well above the current smartphones.
The camera in the Z3 is top of the line, but I didn't like how it overheats. Making the phone thinner wasn't necessary in my opinion and sony might have thought about the component allocation in the device, as putting everything in the top part of the phone wasn't too smart of a choice. The UI was something that I didn't like the most though. I know I could throw a custom ROM at it in a while, but I wasn't sure how that would work with the camera, battery life and other features sony offered in the stock ROM.
I almost made my mind up on the Z3, as it had everything I wanted and I could live with its cons but then the price came into my mind: 515 pounds including tax.
Thats the part the note 4 came into play.
I watched the Note 4 presentation: the phone impressed me in overall, I liked the design, UI, hardware etc. So I started digging again.
I've always wanted the best out of my phone, no matter if I was going to use all of the functions it had or not. I used my phone for calling, texting, making notes in google keep, gps, playing games, listening to music, browsing the web, taking pictures. Usually I endep up rooting it and putting a stock like ROM on it (although I used the stock LG G2 ROM all the way). The design of the phone was always important for me, thats why I had an iphone 4s and 5 for a month before ditching it cus of the awfully simple and boring OS.
The Note 4 seemed to be a very good phone that offered what I wanted and much more beyond that:
1. The display
It's resolution could have been not increased. Samsung could have stayed with a 1080p panel. But thats not whats important about this panel. This is what the DisplayMate test results are:
"The Galaxy Note 4 delivers uniformly consistent all around Top Tier display performance: it is the first Smartphone display to ever get all Green (Very Good to Excellent) Ratings in all test and measurement categories (except one Yellow for a Brightness Variation with Average Picture Level) since we started the Display Technology Shoot-Out article Series in 2006, an impressive achievement for a display. The Galaxy Note 4 has again raised the bar for top display performance up by another notch. "
The display is a window through which you interact with your phone, and it is a component that must be top of the line. There should be no compromise here. Samsung exceeded my expectations in this matter.
2. Performance
There are 2 variants of the Note as most of you know. I'm still having a hard time with both of them. At first I thought the Snapdragon is an obvious choice considering it was superior to all of the other chips last year.
But then the 64-bit affair came into place. Anyone would like their phone to be futureproof, and a 64-bit SoC would be a wise choice. The exynos and snapdragon chips offer pretty much the same performance. I tried looking at the benchmarks, real world usage, gaming, but one outpaces the other in different things and it is very hard to tell the difference. I believe the fluidity of the UI and overall performance must be taken into consideration the most, as I believe both chips will handle anything you throw at them when apps and games are optimized. The choice is either taking the 20nm exynos and hope for better battery life and 64-bit support OR the snapdragon one and expect better dev support.
I wanted the Exynos for the wolfson chip, as I like good quality music from my phone. I'll be using good headphones and PowerAmp so I figure I wouldn't notice much difference anyway. At least not enough to pay extra and import the exynos variant.
I'm pretty much set on the Snapdragon 805 as I believe the battery life should be good on both (the andreno 420 is powerful with lowered power consumption). Like I mentioned earlier I might change the ROM after a while if something good comes out. It's a matter of personal taste- NOT performance of the chips. Thats my opinion on the matter.
3. User Interface
Touchwiz was out of the question for me up until I saw the Galaxy S5 UI. I actually liked the flat style and functions it offered. The note 4 UI is pretty similar. I really like the S-Pen experience, it should be a great change for people who haven't used it before. I love taking notes and I'll use it often. I like the functions it offers, the selection in different UI elements, the ease of copy/pasting, more precise touch input.
Touchwiz has a lot of useless apps that I might not like, but I'm sure it will be possible to get rid of the ones you don't like later on, the dev community in here will surely help. I could go on about the stamina mode, multi-window, the ability to resize apps etc, but you've all seen that on videos. The most important fact for is that touchwiz had been improved, it is eye pleasing, smoother and faster than ever. It is the best custom android OS you can get atm.
4. Camera
On paper both of the cameras looked really good to me, but I wanted to wait and see the real world results. I wasn't disappointed. there were some early comparisions done, but some of them were pictures or videos not taken with the note 4, so getting a correct view at the performance was quite hard. We have these results now and the note camera is a top notch performer. I find day pictures top of the line, the details are there, colors are popping, OIS helps as well. 4k shooting isn't all that important to me but its a nice addition. The camera seems to be very capable and will perform great in a day-to-day user's hands as well in an experienced person ones.
You may find the night shots worse than of the lumia or z3, but thats just terribly trying to find a flaw to me. Come on- who the hell is going to photograph a piece of paper in the dark of the night!? insane. There are pictures taken with the note at night, i like how the lights aren't blurred and everything seems very crisp and detailed. Do remember what you'll be using the phone camera for, and the Note 4 delivers more than I want in those terms.
5. Battery life
Many people find this very important. I thought the Note 4 might get bad results cause of that screen so I checked out some vids of the LTE-A Galaxy S5 with the higher res display. The results were the same as the standars S5.
I am not sure if its the chip that is more power efficient, some power saving changes in the OS, or the screen, or maybe all of these at once, but the results people are having on the Notes they recently picked up are very pleasing to me.
Final words
I probably shouldn't, cause its so ridiculous, but I'll mention the gap gate as well- I don't give a crap about it. I wont even notice it. Especially with the case I'm going to put on the phone. And its something that samsung probably addressed already in the new batch of phones. There are other things I should maybe mention, but these 5 are most important for me. I really like the performace of the Note 4, its UI, functions, metal frame design, micro SD storage expansion, camera, battery, IR blaster and everything else that seems to be a full package that many will find good enough to put their money on. I surely will. On the black one of course

You have really done some good work digging up info and comparing them.

Just to add couple points to OP's excellent write up:
The battery life concern in #5 is actually addressed in already mentioned DisplayMate article, right towards the bottom it clearly states that the new screen, despite having larger number of pixels is more power efficient than 1080p screen of Note3 (0.05W for 50% and 0.2 W for 100% brightness), about 5 to 10% more efficient and Note 3 has proven itself to have very good battery life already.
The gap between screen and frame around might be by design, due to combination of plastic, glass and metal having different expansion rate due to temperature changes. My thinking is that if the phone was brought from very warm room into very cold outside, metal frame would cool and shrink much faster than the rest and could even possibly crack the glass, doing so. The gap possibly allows for contraction/expansion without doing any damage. Either way, outside of aesthetics, it doesn't affect anything and it's a non issue. Probably blown out of proportions as an attempt to shift attention away from bendgate.

pete4k said:
The battery life concern in #5 is actually addressed in already mentioned DisplayMate article, right towards the bottom it clearly states that the new screen, despite having larger number of pixels is more power efficient than 1080p screen of Note3 (0.05W for 50% and 0.2 W for 100% brightness), about 5 to 10% more efficient and Note 3 has proven itself to have very good battery life already
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I think he was referring to the increased GPU load due to the higher resolution which is a valid concern.
But as it has already been said, even the S5 LTE-A with its Snapdragon 805 and QHD resolution has the same battery life as the regular S5 with Full HD and Snapdragon 800.
Still, it would be interesting to see the battery life on a Snapdragon 805 device with only a Full HD display.

I would prefer the note 4 to have a 1080p panel with the same characteristics. But how many people actually use their head before buying a phone? It's a spec war for android phones..

han4mi said:
I would prefer the note 4 to have a 1080p panel with the same characteristics. But how many people actually use their head before buying a phone? It's a spec war for android phones..
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Normally I would agree that FHD 1080p would be more than enough. However, since the GN4 is going to host the Gear VR, with magnifying lenses, I'm happy it went for the QHD
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Audio Quality
Thanks for taking the time for the write up.
One area I would really like to know about is the quality of the rear speaker.
The sound quality is much more important to me than the placement (and sometimes the rear placement actually helps when you put it on a flat hard surface). I ruled out the Note 3 because its speaker was worse than the Note 2 which is still my current phone. The Note 2's speaker is actually pretty decent if the 4's is equal or better I would be thrilled.
Any input?

ymmp said:
Thanks for taking the time for the write up.
One area I would really like to know about is the quality of the rear speaker.
The sound quality is much more important to me than the placement (and sometimes the rear placement actually helps when you put it on a flat hard surface). I ruled out the Note 3 because its speaker was worse than the Note 2 which is still my current phone. The Note 2's speaker is actually pretty decent if the 4's is equal or better I would be thrilled.
Any input?
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I have the same question, ´cause I am afraid, that speeker-quality will be on low level and I am used to fantastic stereo sound of my current htv one m8.
I think, the price for Note 4 ist extremly high. Meanwhile Samsungs flagships are playing in the same €-league with the latest iphons. So I want to hold it in my own hands first before buying it. In center of Europe the Note 4 will be available in about 2 weeks.
Maybe the new Nexus 6 has a better balance between price and specs. We´ll check it out.

Just read Phone Arena's review. Here's a quote:
"Unfortunately, the audio portion of the media experience isn't so spectacular. The single speaker of the Galaxy Note 4 is rather quiet and lacking any depth, making it sound thin and weak. It's not too bad, but it's far from the best we've heard"
How disappointing! The new Moto X is supposed to have an amazing front speaker. I just wonder if it is more like the Note 2 or 3.

I believe the speaker will be good enough to play the ringtone I choose. I prefer earphones+ Poweramp for my music. Like I said, it depends what you're expecting to use the phone for. The Note 4 meets my demands in key aspects and thats why I'm going for it. I don't want THE BEST PHONE. Such a phone does not exist. All of the flagships have their strenghts and weaknesses and a smart person would take the one with the most personally suitable set of features.

Nexus 6 advantages and disadvantages over other devices

I'd like to ask those who own the new Nexus 6 device:
1. Which features does the Nexus 6 have that other devices don't have?
For example, on the hardware part, I've noticed that it has front speakers and also double tapping to wake the device (while its screen is turned off), but are there any other goodies that I've probably missed from articles?
2. Which features do you miss from other devices?
I find it a bit disappointing that for a large screen, Google didn't add features that can take advantage of it (like the Note series) .
I'm just curious about your opinions, and also about what special features it got (other than long support, like other Nexus devices) .

Double Tap to Wake is not an existing feature.
For me the key selling points are the Moto X form factor, qHD display, 3GB of RAM and the size of the device paired with Android 5.0 and the 805 chipset.
Im sure Ambient Display will be a nice touch to the amoled screen and the new smart lock feature of lollipop for those with trusted bluetooth or nfc devices.
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IR Blaster. I used that all the time on my M7. Not a huge deal, just convenient.

Have no idea until we get the Nexus6 in our hands...

Donjuanal said:
Double Tap to Wake is not an existing feature.
For me the key selling points are the Moto X form factor, qHD display, 3GB of RAM and the size of the device paired with Android 5.0 and the 805 chipset.
Im sure Ambient Display will be a nice touch to the amoled screen and the new smart lock feature of lollipop for those with trusted bluetooth or nfc devices.
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Double tap isn't available?
I thought it's there, as this website says:
"Where supported by the hardware, your device will wake up as soon as you pick it up or tap the screen twice"
Odd. Maybe it's a hidden feature, or something that will be possible via root?

AndroidDeveloperLB said:
Double tap isn't available?
I thought it's there, as this website says:
"Where supported by the hardware, your device will wake up as soon as you pick it up or tap the screen twice"
Odd. Maybe it's a hidden feature, or something that will be possible via root?
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Its available for the Nexus 9 because its made by HTC. It was confirmed via google by the original review that Double Tap to Wake is not an implemented feature for this device. It was ambient display kicking in when it sensed the phone moving.
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for me:
disadvantages
1. 64gb maximum storage space. ok, i get it...no sdcard slot. then at least offer a 128gb option. because sticking in a 64gb sdcard to a device was already pretty standard ...a couple years ago. these days people are using 128gb cards. and this doesn't even count the phone's internal storage.
even apple has bumped up to 128gb. i get that 64gb is more than what was originally offered on nexus phones...but the nexus6 also costs a heck of a lot more to the end-user.
2. questionable availability of wired hdmi mirroring. lots of speculation on this...but if it doesn't have it...
i can accept the lack of other device-specific features...like active stylus, ir blaster, heartrate monitor, various camera functions...but something as basic as large storage capacity and wired hdmi mirroring (possibly) should be in line with a "vanilla" flagship phone.

Advantages:
*Optimized software. A big plus if coming from a Samsung galaxy device. Like a HUGE plus.
*Fast updates
*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
*Motorola signal quality. Their devices always have the best signal reception.
Disadvantages:
*Lack of Super AMOLED? I don't know, maybe this is just a gripe?
*No SD card slot. Yeah this sucks.

con_ritmo said:
for me:
disadvantages
1. 64gb maximum storage space. ok, i get it...no sdcard slot. then at least offer a 128gb option. because sticking in a 64gb sdcard to a device was already pretty standard ...a couple years ago. these days people are using 128gb cards. and this doesn't even count the phone's internal storage.
even apple has bumped up to 128gb. i get that 64gb is more than what was originally offered on nexus phones...but the nexus6 also costs a heck of a lot more to the end-user.
2. questionable availability of wired hdmi mirroring. lots of speculation on this...but if it doesn't have it...
i can accept the lack of other device-specific features...like active stylus, ir blaster, heartrate monitor, various camera functions...but something as basic as large storage capacity and wired hdmi mirroring (possibly) should be in line with a "vanilla" flagship phone.
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for #2... with the Nexus 4 and 5 supporting SlimPort HDMI output.... i'd find it very odd if the Nexus 6 didn't. GSMArena also shows it supporting it.
As for #1.... not everyone finds that to be a disadvantage. The only people i can see using 128GB of storage, be it built-in or expanded, are those who either love to have a library of music on their phone at all times, or those who horde EVERYTHING (Apps, pictures, etc...) on their phone. For me, i would have liked to have been able to order the 64GB model... but seeing as i've been getting along just fine with my 16GB Nexus 5 for the past year.... 32GB isn't a bad idea either, and wasn't going to pass up on the opportunity of ordering one simply because of storage space. And if i NEED storage.... well.... that's what a 64GB USB-OTG flash drive is for.

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Advantages:
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*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
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I thought all the versions (Play & T-Mobile) of the Nexus 5 were unlocked?

Way too many advantages so I won't list any, lol.
As for disadvantages:
No SD slot (but that was expected...),
No Super AMOLED (also expected as Samsung wouldn't hurt their own sales-Note4),
No IR (I have smart TVs, my Note 3 is able to control them over both IR and WiFi since they are Samsung TV also)
No cool accessories at all! All those (SLIM) wallet cases and digital ink cases for Samsung and HTC devices, plus things like Gear VR
No physical camera button... I mean... with a phone that size... I'm pretty sure they had enough space for a camera shutter button...
Not completely waterproof certified, it annoys me because it seems like all they had to do was block the open ports (Charger and headphone)!!
I know that seems like a lot of disadvantages but I was just thinking of The Perfect Phone...which will never exist, lol. All in all, I am very excited to get my hands on the Nexus 6

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IR Blaster. I used that all the time on my M7. Not a huge deal, just convenient.
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Yup what he said^ That is my biggest want in the N6 that it does not have.

Unconn said:
I thought all the versions (Play & T-Mobile) of the Nexus 5 were unlocked?
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I hope they are. I was also referring to sim locked, which we know AT&T will do.

I have a harmony hub setup. No need for IR

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Advantages:
*Optimized software. A big plus if coming from a Samsung galaxy device. Like a HUGE plus.
*Fast updates
*Completely unlocked (bootloader included) if buying form GP. I can't think of a reason why anyone would buy from their carrier?
*Motorola signal quality. Their devices always have the best signal reception.
Disadvantages:
*Lack of Super AMOLED? I don't know, maybe this is just a gripe?
*No SD card slot. Yeah this sucks.
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Afaik super amoled is just a marketing term from samsung and it does not make a difference...

Summarising my thoughts on the device in comparison to other flagships:
Pros
- Android 5.0 & guaranteed timely future updates
- Large 6" screen in a decent slim bezel form factor
- Always on voice commands
- Dual front facing stereo speakers
- Build quality
- Great developer support
Cons/could have done better
- Mediocre-average battery life (especially for a phablet)
- High res screen comes at the cost of battery life, brightness and colour accuracy without tangible benefits over 1080P for most people
- Average middling camera
- No Snapdragon 810 = less future proofing and no 64bit android. Misses out on the 20nm processing which promises 40-50% better battery life with 50% better performance. S805 is old tech – last of the 28nm series which has been around since 2013. Heck with the availability issues anyway I'd much rather it launch in Jan-Feb and get S810.
- No SD storage
- Price – Google sold out to the US carriers which needed premium pricing to get it on their subsidised plans. Screws the rest of the world over though.
- Availability
- Nano sim – hardly the standard in the android world. Makes it hard to change between/from other devices/tablets
- Lack of Phablet customisations in the UI with no 3rd party alternatives currently through xposed.
Overall I'm pretty disappointed as it could have been so much more from both a HW and SW point of view. Definitely not a day 1 purchase for me, maybe in the future if the XZU 4 doesn't materialise/disappoints and we see more of a price drop.

Starting to lean towards waiting for maybe a Sony Xperia Z4/Z4 Ultra & other S810 device's announcemenst at CES 2015...

Don't have the phone yet, but for me,
Advantages: QHD screen, 3GB RAM, pure stock Android, Wireless Charging, Very easy to root
Disadvantages: 6" Screen. Just a little bit too much for me. The sweet spot for me is 5.2"-5.5". (But I'm sure I'll get used to it), front camera is still 2MP, and battery is 3220 mAh, but people are saying it only has around 5 hours of on screen time.

Advantages:
- Stock OS
- 3GB RAM
- Snapdragon 805
- 5.95inch screen
- No physical home buttons
Disadvantages:
- Relatively average battery (should've been 3500-3900mh ideally; it would've fit)
- Screen is ok, but nothing special (not as bright or vivid as iPhone 6+ or Note 4)
- Too thick (10.1mm at the thicket point), should've been thinner (7 to 8mm would be great)
- Cameras are average, an improvement from last year but nothing to write home about.
- Not 64-bit despite all the work that went into making the OS 64-bit ready (understable though due to processor releases).
- The fact that the Nexus 6 will not hold its ground as well as the Nexus 5 (which is still a good phone a year after release; the Nexus 6 will not likely be able to maintain the same longevity as the Galaxy S6 is out soon expected Snapdragon 810, 3-4GB RAM, even better display and cameras + bigger battery).

I don't yet have the device, but my initial thoughts mirror many on here. But I'd like to add two more disadvantages - no removable battery (surely this was expected, though). As a current G3 owner, having a spare battery with me when I know I'll be using my phone a lot while away from a charger is great. Also, current availability MUST be listed as a disadvantage. I'm ready to buy the 64GB model right now and the longer I have to wait the better the chance is I'll move on and wait for something else.

What would you like to see in the next gen Nexus 6?

Just curious as to what other N6 owners are looking for in the next generation (the one after 6P).
Personally, there was not a compelling reason for me to give up my N6 for the 6P, so hopefully next years model will be more enticing for me to upgrade.
My Wish List:
Same screen size as N6
64/128Gb (32 just isn't enough anymore)
Fingerprint sensor
6P camera, or better
Snapdragon 820!
I would also love to be able to swap batteries, and put in expandable storage, but I'm not holding my breath for that. Also, I just cannot go back to a 5 or 5.5" screen, the N6 has it right (go big or go home).

an 820, and its free

priced at around 400$
SD 820
4gb ram
6" screen
front speakers
removable battery
physical button below screen
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Just curious as to what other N6 owners are looking for in the next generation (the one after 6P).
Personally, there was not a compelling reason for me to give up my N6 for the 6P, so hopefully next years model will be more enticing for me to upgrade.
My Wish List:
Same screen size as N6
64/128Gb (32 just isn't enough anymore)
Fingerprint sensor
6P camera, or better
Snapdragon 820!
I would also love to be able to swap batteries, and put in expandable storage, but I'm not holding my breath for that. Also, I just cannot go back to a 5 or 5.5" screen, the N6 has it right (go big or go home).
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Exactly what you said... I totally agree with everything including the same screen size and removable battery, perhaps an aluminum body and they could make it little thinner. Also I like the curved back in my hand but sometimes I wish it would sit flat on a table so I could set it down on a table and it would stay still when I touch the screen. Oh ya... More RAM I believe the more the merrier when it comes to RAM.

-6" screen, prefer LCD but I can live with AMOLED
-SD 820
-4 GB RAM
-USB type C
-wireless charging
-improved camera, especially in low light conditions
-thinner top and bottom bezel
-front speakers that don't collect tons of dust and lint
-FM radio
-notification slider like OnePlus 2

why lcd?
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why lcd?
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I'd rather not have to deal with burn in.

$500
Same soft touch plastic feel
6 inch screen
32, 64 and 128gb Configurations
Wireless charging and quick charge 3.0 through type C
Snapdragon 820
Fingerprint sensor
An RGB LED that works out of the box and supports custom colors better
3400 mAh + Battery
6p Camera or better
Sort of the basic list everyone has but, I thought I would chime in.

-small left and right bezels.
-Personally I'd love an excellent quality IPS display 4k? or 4k capable for videos or whatever 1080p scales great 2x2 4k pix = 1 1080p pix.
-screen doesn't need to nessecarilly get bigger...
-3D TOUCH almost forgot that.
-usb 3(.1) type-c.
-fingerprint sensor (built into the glass not likely I know).
-I'm ok with a 32gb storage but updated to NVMe >300mb/s >50k IOps. Apple has some nice results from this.
-faster faster faster encryption storage speed should be bottleneck not encryption.
-Qualcomm's best whether thats 820 or the 82000.
-MicroSD or some similar extra storage but treat it as separate as to not drag down performance with that NVMe storage (let me put my musics and those giant 4k videos on it).
-moar battery 4k screen = 4kmah battery?
-Front speakers of the upmost super duper quality.
-LED notification on the front since an LCD would kill ambient display kinda.
-IR thingy
-wireless charging with fast charging
Runnin' outa maybe almost pheasible stuff...
-a DAC?
-dual boot recoveries. (dual-boot the right word for that? probly not.)
-idunno 1000fps camera? (but srsly yea more slow mo c
-coffee maker
-wave hand over screen like moto x had.
-samsung pay-esque magnetic strip payments (i'd probably go unrooted for this)
-waterproof
-lazer pointer
-thought generator to think up more features...
I'd probably settle for a 820 in a n6p tbh Really would like that NVMe though.

A 4000 mAh battery for longer usage/standby time and T2W out of the box.

I am happy with nexus 6 for what it is at the moment but snapdragon 820 and 4000 mah battery would be my priorities.

How about a Nexus 6P only with a Nexus 6 screen?

Same sized screen. Base of 64Gb. Removable battery and/or SD card slot.

Wireless charging is essential, or I'd never consider it regardless of the other spec.
Charging/notification LED (that's actually supported).
Guarantee of no warranty issues if you choose to unlock the bootloader or root the device.

A really good camera.
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How about a Nexus 6P only with a Nexus 6 screen?
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Why ... The screen on 6p is better lol... Wtf

shayneflashindaily said:
Why ... The screen on 6p is better lol... Wtf
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My bad I thought the 6P had a slightly smaller screen. I like the 6P but it's too narrow for me, I wish it was as wide as the Nexus 6.

Something not Huawei.

nexus 6x made by apple in california assembled in CHINA

- Something better looking than the visor
- Qualcomm's quick charging, not whatever the 6p has
- Dual SIM (huge outside of the US in many other countries)
- Wireless charging
- Waterproof
- OIS
- FM radio
- Hi-Fi audio driver
- Google built
So, basically I just described... A metal built Sony Xperia with QHD AMOLED, comfortable to hold, dual SIM, and stock Android that will be the first Pixel phone.

Moving on from Nexus 6 - Should I get the Oneplus 6 or Pixel 3/3XL?

After almost 4 years of this beast its finally time to move on, but I'm not sure if I want to go to the OnePlus 6 (6t is basically the same as the 6 for my needs, except no headphone jack, which I want) or should I get the Pixel 3/3XL. I am leaning towards the 3XL since I'm used to a huge screen, but the 3 doesn't have the notch, which I think could be an eyesore. I have seen great development for the 1+6, but Dirty Unicorns doesn't support the device, but they don't support the Pixel 2 either. Note 9 is in the running, but i think it has a locked bootloader, smaller dev community, and less frequent updates (i'm also on ATT).
So, what do you think I should get? I am likely going to wait for some Pixel 3/3XL reviews before I make the purchase. I don't really care about price.

Xiaomi Pocophone F1 is very popular right now. May turn out to be the 2018 phone with the most custom roms.
Myself, I like the wide screen of my Nexus 6. I don't think there is any other popular phone with as wide a screen as that. But I miss a fingerprint reader.

I came from a long line of nexuses that ended with the Nexus 6P. Held off from the pixels and got me an OP6 on launch day. Price is not a factor for me here. The OP6 is a great phone, believe it or not the software is better than stock Android, it's like a custom ROM on a Nexus phone with all those extra cool stuff. The phone blazes through everything it's crazy fast. However, the camera sucks so bad that it is in usable to me. The speakers are very bad. It lacks that special thing Google phones have . I'm getting the pixel 3XL myself. I cannot live with the OP6 camera.

I'm afraid I'm moving on as well. I chose the pixel 2 xl, as money is a priority for me. i was looking at specs( I live in rainy Washington), and wasn't impressed with waterproofing. Wasn't ready to move on but battery in my 6 wasn't making it through work schedule. I chose pixel (should be here any day now) cause I love updates and not ready to leave Google yet. Nexus 1, Galaxy Nexus, 4 and 6

ONEPLUS SIX .... ACTUALLY, ONEPLUS 6T .... ya might as well wait 2 more weeks for the T-variant to be released.
I'm sure the Pixel 3/XL are damn fine (though hopefully, relatively flawless - I'm purposely leaving out any thing other than the fact I'm not even gonna comment on the XL & it's chin,etc buuut daammmn my Shamu, <xc for side bezels & far superior sOC, other internals of the Pixels> doesn't look as outta date as it actually is .... which is damn near 4 years now, the uneven bezels & other irritants I've found since buying last December [for a respectable $140/mint] definitely detract buuut I'll be damned if the ol sea world corporate orca isn't still holding it's own .... Buuueller? Buuuueller?)
ANYWAYS, TO YOUR INQUIRY, unless you have DEEP pockets for your significant disposable income & want to overlook the superior front design: namely, the rumored but easily believable teardrop front cam (& the almost certain inclusion of an under screen fingerprint scanner & supposed vastly improved camera)>>
[[PARDON ME, A PERSONAL ASIDE .... HEY GOOGLE, JUST EXACTLY WTF IS GOING ON OUT THERE IN MTN VIEW THE PAST, IDFK, 5 YEARS ?!?!?!
THE FUTURE OF SMARTPHONE UI & UX DESIGN SHOULD, SHHOOOULD, HAVE BEEN ALL YOU, BUUUT YOU HAVE SO MANY IRONS IN THE PROVERBIAL FIRE THAT YOU LET SAMSUNG TAKE IT RIGHT OUTTA YOUR VERY CAPABLE HANDS & YOUR BOTTOMLESS POCKETS FROM YOUR ENDLESS FORTUNES ..... AI IS COOL n ALL BUT WHY SCRAP NEXUS FOR THE (cheap) iPOD COPYCAT PIXEL ONE (but the seeds were there to be green instead of ignored ) & CREATE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ECOSYSTEM AS MATERIAL DESIGN IF ONLY TO GET DESTROYED BY SAMSUNG'S NOW UNDENIABLE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE DOMINANCE and their faaaar superior "infinity display" using the world's BEST AMOLED/OLED displays (in fact, SOOOO SUPERIOR that Sammy's hated rival, crApple buy up more of their displays -by the literal ****-TON- than anyone!!!) ???? (Material Design, now, is as fine as she's ever been xc for those 9.0 settings colors, whaaatthaeff guys, at least show some thoughtfulness by using the new Contacts color palette for goodness sake!!!!! Hideous ....) I DIGRESS, YOU ARE THE COMPANY (or damn sure seemed like the across-the-board, trend-MAKERS for a long time before you lost perspective ? At first I didn't understand WTF Samsung was doing with the one sided slant/Edge thing & I ALWAYS hated that stupid APPLE home button BUUUT The SGS-7 Edge actually caught my eye .... Then came the SGS-8 AND HOLY EFFING ****E, THAT'S WHAT SHOULD'VE SHAKEN "OUR FAVORITE COMPANY" OUT OF ITS LETHARGY OF HAVING MADE TOO MUCH DAMNED MONEY, I GUESS BUUUUT ALAS, IT DID NOT ..... I KNOW A LOT OF THOUGHT & BRAINS GO INTO MAKING PIXELS SPECIAL, IT'S JUST THAT THE GOOGLE I KNOW (KNEW?) & LOVE(D?) COULD, WOULD, DAMN SURE SHOULD BE THE INNOVATORS, YOU SHOULD BE SOOOO INSANELY FAAAAR BEYOND MOST OTHER COMPANIES, NOT ONLY IN INTERNAL SMARTPHONE/OS AESTHETICS BUT FFS, APPLE & SAMMY SHHOOOULD BE TRRYING TO COPY YOU AGAIN, LIKE IN DAYS PAST INSTEAD OF YOU GUYS CUTTING CORNERS, TAKING THE BEST OF WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE, MAKING A PASSABLE OVERPRICED MASHUP WITH A GREAT CAMERA (FINALLY, THAT STUNNING CAMERA THAT NONE, NOT ONE, OF THE NEXUS' EVER GOT, WHICH FOREVER RELEGATED THEM FROM MAINSTREAM ALONG WITH EACH NEW NEXUS RELEASE CAME NEW YEARLY ISSUES STEMMING ULTIMATELY, FROM CORNER CUTTING) ..... I am sorry .... I have simply lost the passion with which my initial aside started ....
ONEPLUS SIX - OR - ONEPLUS 6T ..... they're ACTUALLY innovating, they turned this once fledgling company on unsteady footing grab the XDA & former GOOGLE/NEXUS DIE-HARDS by the balls and NOW LOOK WHERE THEY ARE, 2 RELEASES A YEAR, PROLLY THE BEST CURRENT FRONTAL TOP BEZEL SOLUTION, MOSTLY BEAUTIFUL DEVICES WITH ALL THE COOLNESS WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN A SMARTPHONE YET ..... AT A SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER PRICE, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE RAM, EXPANDABLE STORAGE (??) .... IMHO, ONEPLUS has finally, truly earned the "Flagship Killer" moniker from the not so clear flagship killer OP-1 they'd have you believe back then.
..... I hope that helps instead of hinders .... If so, by all means, disregard & Happy hunting.

I was looking at the 3, but now thinking 2XL when they go on fire sale. Price on the 3 and 3XL is just crazy.

That's a tough call, I am generally a pixel guy, with the freedom of knowing it will be updated monthly and get the quickest platform updates. The 6t looks promising and has a robust dev community from what I can see. I am rocking the pixel 2 (not xl) and the pixel 3 is not super exciting for me. I would go with 6t but I am on fi. Doubt 6t is will be on fi or we would hAve probably heard about it by now. I think the pixel 2/XL are damn good phones and worth picking up on the cheap.

I know it's not on your list and not too high on the media's radar, but the Razor Phone 2 should maybe be another to consider.
- Nexus 6 screen ratio (16:9) which I prefer
- 120hz panel for silky smooth interface
- front facing speakers
- large 4,000 MAH battery
- SD 845 with Adreno 630 GPU
- in place thermal reduction copper plate that acts as a heat sink that is almost the size of the phone.
- 8GB of DDR4 RAM
- no headphone jack, but quality dolby dts DAC
- expandable storage up to 1TB
- hopefully great cameras with new Sony hardware. (Wide angle lens on the 2nd camera)
- wireless fast charging
- QCOM QC 4+
- Treble support
Myself, I'm in no hurry to leave shamu. Running AOSiP 8.1 and getting around 4-5 SOT. This phone, minus the headphone jack, is the only phone to truly provide an actual upgrade to our phone. Plus having expandable storage is awesome. Hopefully the initial impressions and community develops since it has treble support.

I am in the same boat, however I am not beholden to a flagship phone or major company name. If it has everything I need ( everything my shamu has) or more I dont care who makes it..I know there are phones out there every bit as good as the flagships for a lot less money but Ive been a bit out of the loop and not sure what to look at. That being said if the flags are the way to go this time I can do that too. I am on Tmo. I do take my phone mountain biking with me so I think anything bigger than me N6 would be a no. Any recommendations guys?

That sounds really nice. I'll have to look into that one. Would like to get my wife a phone that'll keep up with her for a good while.
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I know it's not on your list and not too high on the media's radar, but the Razor Phone 2 should maybe be another to consider.
- Nexus 6 screen ratio (16:9) which I prefer
- 120hz panel for silky smooth interface
- front facing speakers
- large 4,000 MAH battery
- SD 845 with Adreno 630 GPU
- in place thermal reduction copper plate that acts as a heat sink that is almost the size of the phone.
- 8GB of DDR4 RAM
- no headphone jack, but quality dolby dts DAC
- expandable storage up to 1TB
- hopefully great cameras with new Sony hardware. (Wide angle lens on the 2nd camera)
- wireless fast charging
- QCOM QC 4+
- Treble support
Myself, I'm in no hurry to leave shamu. Running AOSiP 8.1 and getting around 4-5 SOT. This phone, minus the headphone jack, is the only phone to truly provide an actual upgrade to our phone. Plus having expandable storage is awesome. Hopefully the initial impressions and community develops since it has treble support.
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huawei mate 20 X

def1003 said:
huawei mate 20 X
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Not bootloader unlockable.
"find somebody that you think is undeserving of your compassion and give it to them" - Christian Picciolini

ktmom said:
Not bootloader unlockable.
"find somebody that you think is undeserving of your compassion and give it to them" - Christian Picciolini
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not determined yet from what ive found