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So for those of you wondering what the viewing angles are, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vwKF6XWEo&feature=youtube_gdata
thx eman3316 for this great video.
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So for those of you wondering what the viewing angles are, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3vwKF6XWEo&feature=youtube_gdata
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They are really ****ed up. Here it even looks worser:
i get my nexus tomorrow at the end of the day, hopefully i dont have that =(
I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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Really? Sometimes i let it spin on my finger tips and i watch for any inconsistency in the color. Then i throw it high up in the air and check viewing angles, i spit that thing on the floor. On the bed, on the couch, on my monitor. Heck sometimes i even tie it down from the ceiling just to push it around and see if the colors change.
It's just, it's that important!!
Rusty! said:
I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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For me the screen represents the quality of the whole phone since its the biggest part of the phone. So if the screen is s*hit, the whole phone is s*hit!
You say the screen/phone is s#it because it looks different at a 60-75 degree angle? Orly? So, is that how you judge people too? I heard the iPhone has perfect viewing angles at °180 degrees. You should probably go check that one out
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Rusty! said:
I don't get the viewing angles paranoia to be honest.
I think myself a fairly normal user of a phone, in that I hold it more or less straight on rather than trying to look at it from 60°. What do you gain from crazy viewing angles exactly?
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Sometimes a step down in quality shows the importance of quality, say using a phone with bad viewing angles after using one with perfect screen shows how much difference does it make. Cause in real life there are so many situations you don't hold it perfectly, in a crowded are like transportation, under the sunlight where you must change angles, when it mounted on a car holder, when it's on your desk, when framing a picture of a subject you whole body can't get in front of, when it's in someone else's hands etc. I think off angles are responsible for more than 33% of usage, and that's a lot of pain for Xperia Z users.
Not happy with mine either.... wonder WHY do they want to use IPS display?
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You say the screen/phone is s#it because it looks different at a 60-75 degree angle? Orly? So, is that how you judge people too? I heard the iPhone has perfect viewing angles at °180 degrees. You should probably go check that one out
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i have an iphone 5 and the screen is phenomenal, im just more of an android guy, this issue is not present on my htc one and it has a beautiful display, how can someone just conform to a ****ty display, (blows my mind)
edit: "is that how you judge people"??? I don't quite get your question bud, how is that relevant..
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For me the screen represents the quality of the whole phone since its the biggest part of the phone. So if the screen is s*hit, the whole phone is s*hit!
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well said bro.
The screen is gorgeous on the N5. So many people are just looking from something to complain about. It is a 5" screen and for how most of us will be viewing it, it is looks freakin great.
Unless you are throwing a naked picture of a chick on your phone and laying it flat down next to you in bed and want to view her from a side angle why else would you care how it looks at an angle like that?
Top of the line LED TV's that are thousands of dollars have the same off viewing angle issues and people get over it so I don't see what the issue is with the N5 screen for $400.
Damn, I just turned my phone face down and I couldn't even see the screen! That's it, it's going back.
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The screen is gorgeous on the N5. So many people are just looking from something to complain about. It is a 5" screen and for how most of us will be viewing it, it is looks freakin great.
Unless you are throwing a naked picture of a chick on your phone and laying it flat down next to you in bed and want to view her from a side angle why else would you care how it looks at an angle like that?
Top of the line LED TV's that are thousands of dollars have the same off viewing angle issues and people get over it so I don't see what the issue is with the N5 screen for $400.
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lol i get your point, but i show videos to friends and family daily, plus ive never seen a high end led tv with that kind of viewing angle, my led surely doesnt have that issue.
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lol i get your point, but i show videos to friends and family daily, plus ive never seen a high end led tv with that kind of viewing angle, my led surely doesnt have that issue.
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
Nice viewing angle , I mean seriously you people need to stop with that viewing angle sh**, that's not helping google...349 for unlocked top of the line hardware and yall still complaining..sheezus
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
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A Technology fact? Well.. my friends htc one for example doesnt suffer from this issue and its an IPS too! Im afraid we just get what we paid for. And since the Display is probably the most expensive part of a phone: Cheap price, cheap display...
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It is the most known thing about LED technology and even the new OLED technology has this issue. It is not as noticeable in stores but when you get it home it is pretty extreme. Viewing angles are one of the major talked about things when deciding to purchase a plasma or LED TV. Plasma's offer wide viewing angles while LED do not. This is a technology fact and not just my opinion by the way.
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Viewing angles are much more relevant for televisions.
I did not even notice that my HTC One has good viewing angles until literally yesterday (when reading about the N5). It's just not a practical issue on a mobile device.
Oh Man I Have Nexus 4 And Its Screen Also Has Same Issue I Was Going To Get Nexus 5 But Not Now Sorry Google ....
Simba501 said:
Viewing angles are much more relevant for televisions.
I did not even notice that my HTC One has good viewing angles until literally yesterday (when reading about the N5). It's just not a practical issue on a mobile device.
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Yup, totally agree but wanted to stress the fact that price doesn't necassarily mean anything. I have a Samsung $2,700 USD TV that washes out from the side.
I am also wondering if they used different panels in the N5 because my screen looks great and for any way I can think of viewing it, it does not wash out.
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Oh Man I Have Nexus 4 And Its Screen Also Has Same Issue I Was Going To Get Nexus 5 But Not Now Sorry Google ....
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You really should apologize to yourself and not Google because the N5 screen is in another class then the N4.
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Based on nexus 5 kernel sources there are 2different types of displays,one from LG and the other from JapanDisplay similar to Xperia Z and Z1
I am debating whether I should upgrade my Note 3 to the Note 4 in part from movie watching. I am afraid that 1080p movies would look blurry and less sharp due to the pixels being stretched out to fit the 2K resolution. I do not think that the note 4 has upconversion of 1080p to 2K. I do a lot of 1080p movie watching on my note 3 on the go.
If the 1080p movies look worse on the Note 4, I may just get the iphone 6 plus to try out the ios system since I have never own an iphone before. My previous phones were the HTC HD2, Note 1, Note 2 and I am currently using the Note 3.
The screen's so small, I doubt you'd notice a difference.
Mi|enko said:
The screen's so small, I doubt you'd notice a difference.
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I was wondering the same thing.
It will look better due to pixel density
oneandroidnut said:
It will look better due to pixel density
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You are wrong. If you put a lower resolution source into a higher resolution screen the picture quality would look worse.
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You are wrong. If you put a lower resolution source into a higher resolution screen the picture quality would look worse.
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do you have a phone with greater then 1080p?
I have a note 12.2 with 2560 x 1600 resolution and 1080p content looks like standard 480p maybe a little better.
I would find the best resolution as not to take it too big that it take up space on my device or rip too low that I see jagged edges. Definately not 640x480 rips.
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I have a note 12.2 with 2560 x 1600 resolution and 1080p content looks like standard 480p maybe a little better.
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12.2" screen. Not apples to apples. 1080 content on my G3 looks great.
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do you have a phone with greater then 1080p?
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No, I do not have a phone with resolution greater than 1080p but if you look at the post right after yours from a poster named Natienn then you can see that 1080p content would not look good in higher resolution screen. Maybe because the Note 4 is only 5.7" , the image quality may not be as bad as the bigger screen tablet with higher resolution.
Having a 2k display won't make a 1080p video looks worst, indeed it can look even better.
It will look like normal 1080p
720p movies look great on my 1080p nexus 7 2013, so I'd suspect 1080p movies would look great on a much faster device with a better display.
1080p videos look good on the G3
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The screen's so small, I doubt you'd notice a difference.
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This.
After 3 pixels you get one more (1920 = 3*640 -> 2560 = 4*640). So regulary after 2 pixels, the 3rd one will be streched to match the next 2 pixels (3rd one and 4rd one). So every 3rd px is a double one.
But in reality, there is anti-aliazing and some others algorithm for upscaling, so videos will look even better. So I think, 1080p will look great on Note 4.
Now we are getting mathematical... That's just sad. The quality is dependent on the content. It will either look about the same or slightly better. No need to get all technical or defensive. It's the content that decides.
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Hmm, I believe that in this case you're wrong buddy. Even the source being a lower resolution video than the display it will look better due the pixel density than it would on a Galaxy s4 (for instance) that have a 1080p display.
Obviously to take full advantage you should look for a 2k resolution video but the 1080p video will be better on n4 display (not because of the resolution alone) but because of the screen itself.
Both is same size 5.7" which means the video will look identical, plus side 2K display due to it higher density will make the 1080P movie look much better on Note 4.
my only theory is that if you take standard TV and put in on a HDTV it looks like crap, but if you put it back on a 4:3 old school tv then it actually looks good. But things have changed from back then so we wont really know until we receive the device and see how the hardware and software works with upscaling the video. That's what it all comes down to really.
I ordered mine with free shipping Thursday afternoon and got it yesterday.
+Good build
+Comes with a hard case (device is already in it, along with sd card)
+Fairly straight forward process
Before putting the device on head:
1. Dragged the Gear sd card folders to my 128gb card
2. Installed the VRintro APK to get the software install process started (the main apps are installed)
3. The process requires a simple registration to access the Oculus market
4. I skipped the card process since already dragged the content to my 128.
5. Once registered, the Oculus Cinema installs
6. Then the fun starts! Put the N4 in the Gear and adjust the gear to fit head
7. Then a brief simple calibration process and tutorial
Quick perspective / review:
1. More immersive than expected
2. Games are good for demos, but I mainly got it for movies
3. The 3D & 360 are surprisingly good
4. The Oculus Cinema ROCKS!!!
5. 2D movies worked fine. The only thing I could not get to work was an older concert from Youtube that was in FLV format and one avi. AVI, MP4, WMV and MKV worked fine.
6. The best Cinema options IMO are Cinema and Void. Void is nice since you can lay down and re- orientate the device view Void also provides the most display real-estate , so highest resolution. That said, I prefer Cinema a tad more due to the immersion.
7. Speaking of resolution, it is best described as between around 720p or a tad less. Before you balk at that, the experience more than compensates and the sense of large scale is impressive and the image quality is very good. Screen door goes away in your mind after a minute or two.
8. Device got real warm, but Void mode was less so, since just a black background.
9. Battery life for me was a tad over four hours watching video. Void mode might add 30 minutes.
10. Did not test a controller yet, but forum reports are any bluetooth controller should work.
11. Also did not test many images, but the immersion was great there too.
I can see this becoming HUGE for Note 4 owners and others companies jumping on the bandwagon. Also eating my words on Qhd being overkill. I now want HIGHER res on the Note 5 so video looks even better
If you are a Note 4 owner and video fan: Buy This Now
mine comes in Thursday. can't wait!
Mine is in 9n Friday and I am PUMPED. Only thing that concerns me is future support. I would really like samsung and Oculus to continue support and place a lot of effort in nourishing a healthy developer environment.
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6. The best Cinema options IMO are Cinema and Void. Void is nice since you can lay down and re- orientate the device view Void also provides the most display real-estate , so highest resolution. That said, I prefer Cinema a tad more due to the immersion.
7. Speaking of resolution, it is best described as between around 720p or a tad less. Before you balk at that, the experience more than compensates and the sense of large scale is impressive and the image quality is very good. Screen door goes away in your mind after a minute or two.
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I too want this mostly for movie watching. I'm wondering how crazy I'd look on a plane with this. :laugh:
Can you describe a bit more about the movie experience? Is it like watching a 60" tv from a few feet away, a movie theater screen from far away, etc?
Awesome review! +1
PS - 3 New games came out on the Gear VR Store. Check it out.
my experience was 4 out of 10....I bought it to watch movies on it...but seriously you can actually count all the pixals, the quality of the video is that bad, I have the HD Quality videos loaded....now I also feel a headache after wear it for almost 30 min...mind it I don't wear glasses....It's a great start but a long way before it could be something of use.....so I'll wait for version 10 or something.
It came with a box, SD CARD Adapter and Mircro-SD card 16GB, also It came with a cleaning cloth to clean the leans...
the phone got headed after using it for 30 min, as if someone had just taken it out from micro oven--hope it doesn't burn my phone..
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my experience was 4 out of 10....I bought it to watch movies on it...but seriously you can actually count all the pixals, the quality of the video is that bad, I have the HD Quality videos loaded....now I also feel a headache after wear it for almost 30 min...mind it I don't wear glasses....It's a great start but a long way before it could be something of use.....so I'll wait for version 10 or something.
It came with a box, SD CARD Adapter and Mircro-SD card 16GB, also It came with a cleaning cloth to clean the leans...
the phone got headed after using it for 30 min, as if someone had just taken it out from micro oven--hope it doesn't burn my phone..
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Wonder if 2k video improves pixel issue... have you tried watching 4k in cinema mode?
Even with the Note 4 high resolution its still not enough not to notice pixels. I heard that you need like a 16k display which sounds impossible. And it is normal for the phone to get hot and that's per the operator's manual.
But not everyone can physically handle this type of experience. That's the reason why Samsung did not allow this product to be sold in stores like bestbuy. This product is not targeted to the casual user. The majority of experiences will be us geeks showing it off to other people which will drum up interest. And it also gives Samsung and Oculus time to fine tune it for Note 5. Gear VR is a step above the development kits but slightly below a consumer ready product.
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Wonder if 2k video improves pixel issue... have you tried watching 4k in cinema mode?
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yes the 2k videos look great, and even the 3D does a better job......
EvanWasHere said:
I too want this mostly for movie watching. I'm wondering how crazy I'd look on a plane with this. :laugh:
Can you describe a bit more about the movie experience? Is it like watching a 60" tv from a few feet away, a movie theater screen from far away, etc?
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It is like watching a 100" projector and the cinema is just like being in a huge cinema.
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my experience was 4 out of 10....I bought it to watch movies on it...but seriously you can actually count all the pixals, the quality of the video is that bad, I have the HD Quality videos loaded....now I also feel a headache after wear it for almost 30 min...mind it I don't wear glasses....It's a great start but a long way before it could be something of use.....so I'll wait for version 10 or something.
It came with a box, SD CARD Adapter and Mircro-SD card 16GB, also It came with a cleaning cloth to clean the leans...
the phone got headed after using it for 30 min, as if someone had just taken it out from micro oven--hope it doesn't burn my phone..
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If you look for the pixels and focus on them, it could detract, but the point is the total experience and the screen door fades from focus. Kind of like anything else if you focus on it Case in point, I notice and could count pixels in movies theaters and plasma sets. Especially the bigger digital screen systems. Everything is relative
The best view is Void if you want to minimize the pixel issue (also reduces device heat and extends battery). The home theater mode makes the pixels stand out and is like 480p due to less space for the video.
Just imagine a 1080p device with a Gear VR. That would be like an old school bar projector . Samsung knew what they were doing using Qhd. Next years S6 and Note 5 apparently up the resolution and likely the VR products are part of their reasoning for the higher res.
My N4 did not get hot as you describe, but I could see intense 3D games doing that, but I will not be playing them. Did not get the headache issues either, but depends on the person of course.
I got mine yesterday and played around with it a bit last night. My opinion is it is really cool and shows where VR could eventually go but definitely don't expect everything to be perfect yet. It all comes down to your attitude going into the experience.
1) Yes the pixels are noticeable and it is a bit worse than watching a hockey game sitting behind the netting behind the goal. You absolutely see and notice the "screen door" but you also can choose to overlook it based on the very cool experience. You also can imagine that in 2-4 years that issue will go away.
2) I wouldn't call things blurry as is being discussed in another thread yet rather the whole viewing image is not in focus. If I look straight at text it is reasonably clear but anything above, below, left or right of where my eyes are focusing will be slightly out of focus. If I move my eyes (and head) just slightly to look at a different area that becomes more in focus as compared to what I had been looking at. For the large images you don't really notice the whole effect so much but when there is a lot of different text on the screen in different areas you will certainly notice it.
3) When you first put the headset on you notice that you are looking through lenses and somewhat notice the blackness associated where your eyes are getting covered up. After a short while you stop really thinking about this and get taken into the experience.
You might read all of this as me not thinking highly of the VR or that this is just another gimmick. Let me come full out and say that isn't how I feel and I was pretty much blown away by the whole thing. I can't wait to see where VR goes from here. The first time you are watching the demo and then hear something to the right and turn your head and see something on your right that you had no idea was there you will get sucked in. From there you keep looking to your left, right and behind you and become pretty amazed.
So my take is that there are certainly issues and VR is not "there" yet but from this experience you really start to understand where VR could go and it no longer feels like an impossible technological hurdle to climb. It is no longer a question of if VR is really possible but more a question of when we are going to get there.
They need more pixels in order to increase the FOV and reduce the screen door. The Note 5 should be even better. Just hoping they keep the form factor of the Note 5 the same as the Note 5 to fit the Gear VR. That said, I will get $200 worth of fun out of this in a year, regardless.
None the less, the Gear VR is a worthy purchase for video fans IMO.
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It is like watching a 100" projector and the cinema is just like being in a huge cinema.
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If true, this is freaking amazing.
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If true, this is freaking amazing.
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The catch is the resolution is less in that mode. Does look cool though.
I have played with my Gear VR for a few days and I totally agree with the review. The experience is amazing. This tech is gonna go really far. It has an insane potential.
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I have played with my Gear VR for a few days and I totally agree with the review. The experience is amazing. This tech is gonna go really far. It has an insane potential.
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Yeah, im in the same boat, this thing literally blew me away. Showed a lot of folks at work this thing and they were amazed as well. It's definitely the new form of entertainment. The key word is immersive. I think with the sensons onboard the gear vr, it really helps with that. I know the Note 4 has a better screen than the oculus version but I feel we'll need at least 8k or 10k displays to eliminate the screen door effect. But overall, daaaaaammmn.
well i just received mine and all i can say is that i am blown away by it. what am amazing experience. finally, VR for the masses is set to be a reality. i let the wife and kids try it and they were all giggly over it too. one complaint: wearing eyeglasses with it sucks
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I have a 100" projector screen in my bedroom and it's no where close to the experience you get when you watch the cinema selection. The screen is bigger than many movie theaters I go to. And the wide video is just crazy. No home theater can touch that.
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well i just received mine and all i can say is that i am blown away by it. what am amazing experience. finally, VR for the masses is set to be a reality. i let the wife and kids try it and they were all giggly over it too. one complaint: wearing eyeglasses with it sucks
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Wearing glasses with Gear VR is pretty uncormfortable i assume, can the focus wheel not adjust to your eyesight without glasses properly?
I bought Gear VR for Note 4 based on positive review, but after using it for two nights, I decide to send it back due to low resolution. Here's my illustration of how resolution is archived and my thought on it:
Movie watching experience: Low resolution ruins it. It's bad to watch anything on a 480p screen at a size of 200". Plus No DTS/AC3 support, no smb support in Oculus cinema.
Kodi supports DTS or AC3, but it also reveals that the field of view from Gear VR only covers part of Note 4's screen. See my illustration in attachment. The header, footer as well as 4 corners are not covered, which means that only central part of a movie is viewable.
Ideally, 720p (1280x720) resolution for each eye can be achieved from Note 4's 2560x1440 screen if the rectangle of half screen inscribed in the the field of view like some cardboard does. But the way Samsung's implementation of it's Gear VR makes it unable to fully take advantage of Note 4's screen. The best movie resolution that Gear VR can archive is 972x546. I understand that Samsung's take is good for VR for there is no unilluminated area within it's field of view.
I wish Samsung would come up with a new product that allow the rectangle of half screen inscribed in the field of view instead of the other way around. I think this can be archived by another set of lenes with less multiply factors than current ones. Even at 720p, the screen doesn't need to be 200". 150" would suits the pixel better.
When it comes to VR, Samsung Gear VR also suffers from low resolution. Plus 360 degree video makes me dizzy. I downloaded and watched almost all 360 degree video from youtube but I'm not impressed enough. The people figures are larger than real life. Everyone looks like giants in these videos. Among videos, I prefer those taken from a steady position. First person action view just makes me dizzy. I think it's due to my brain can't process it when the vr scene is moving around but my head is not.
360 degree picture is quite a pleasure to view though.
Sold mine to a colleague due to the exact same reasons
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I bought Gear VR for Note 4 based on positive review, but after using it for two nights, I decide to send it back due to low resolution. Here's my illustration of how resolution is archived and my thought on it:
Movie watching experience: Low resolution ruins it. It's bad to watch anything on a 480p screen at a size of 150". Plus No DTS/AC3 support, no smb support in Oculus cinema.
Kodi supports DTS or AC3, but it also reveals that that the field of view from Gear VR only covers part of Note 4's screen. See my illustration in attachment. The header, footer as well as 4 corners are not covered, which means that only central part of a movie is viewable.
Ideally, 720p (1280x720) resolution for each eye can be archived from Note 4's 2560x1440 screen if the rectangle of half screen inscribed in the the field of view like some cardboard does. But the way Samsung implements it's Gear VR makes it unable to fully take advantage of Note 4's screen. The best movie resolution that Gear VR can archive is 972x546. I understand that Samsung's take is good for VR for there is no unilluminated area within it's field of view.
I wish Samsung would come up with a new product that focuses on watching movies .
When it comes to VR, Samsung Gear VR also suffers from low resolution. Plus 360 degree video makes me dizzy. I downloaded and watched almost all 360 degree video from youtube but not impressed enough. The people figures are lager than real life. Everyone looks like giants in these videos. Among videos, I prefer those taken from a steady position. First person action view just makes me dizzy. I think it's due to my brain can't process it when the vr scene is moving around but my head is not.
360 degree picture is quite a pleasure to view.
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Not questioning the validity pic you put up, but can I ask how you came to the conclusion that it only uses 972x546 pixels of the screen? Is it official information, or did you measure it somehow?
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Not questioning the validity pic you put up, but can I ask how you came to the conclusion that it only uses 972x546 pixels of the screen? Is it official information, or did you measure it somehow?
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That's based on my calculation given my understanding of how it works (as illustrated) is correct. Samsung claims the resolution for each eye is 1440x1280, which is misleading IMO. Same reason as explained in the illustration.
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That's based on my calculation given my understanding of how it works (as illustrated) is correct.
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Just put my N4 in my Gear VR holding my thumb to the proximity sensor, so that I could see observe the screen when connected and they are not using a completely square image - it looks more like this (except there's a gap in the middle):
It also doesn't the entire width available, but it looks like it's using more than what you have in your picture. The gap between the images is about 4mm and the gap between the image and the sides is about half that (2mm). The top and bottom gaps are about 5mm. So it's definitely using more than 720 pixels for the height, but less than 1280 pixels for the width.
EDIT: I measured it using a tape measure (not any exact numbers, but more accurate than those I came up with).
So based on these measurements the screen would use about 1190 pixels at its widest point, and 1240 pixels at its highest.
The graph shows the best scenario, where movie screen fills your entire FOV. But this is not comfortable for most viewers, and you are likely to "sit back" a little. Since you're looking through the same matrix of pixels, you are then effectively losing screen resolution, going somewhere to 480p like OP mentioned.
What's also sad, when we reach the Holy Grail of 4K (with Note 5), the movie screen would still be only 1460x820.
If you want best experience with 2D HD content, you're better off moving your chair closer to a TV than strapping Gear onto your head.
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The graph shows the best scenario, where movie screen fills your entire FOV. But this is not comfortable for most viewers, and you are likely to "sit back" a little. Since you're looking through the same matrix of pixels, you are then effectively losing screen resolution, going somewhere to 480p like OP mentioned.
What's also sad, when we reach the Holy Grail of 4K (with Note 5), the movie screen would still be only 1460x820.
If you want best experience with 2D HD content, you're better off moving your chair closer to a TV than strapping Gear onto your head.
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Actually just tried to measure the screen in the cinema mode, and came up with ≈ 45mm. The screen width is 125mm, which means that half that would be 62,5mm, which would give us an approximate horizontal resolution of 45/62,5*1280 = 921pixels. Pretty much explains everything right there. Even with a 4k screen the horizontal resolution in a comfortable mode would only be 1382 px.
The screen height (screen is not a perfect rectangle) at its highest point is ≈25mm. So with a screen height of 70mm that gives us a vertical resolution of 25/70*1440≈514px.
So based on my measurements the resolution you get is pretty much 921x514 (screen is not a perfect rectangle) at the widest and highest parts.
When it comes to watching movies, the screen will be cropped to the aspect ratio of close to 1.78:1, that's how I estimated it at an effective resolution of 972x546 (the biggest 1.78:1 rectangle inscribed in the FOV circle).
You just showed that the actual FOV is not exactly a circle. Now the question is, is the actual FOV inscribed in the theoretical FOV, or the other way around. I guess a way to find out is to look through gear vr at a picture with measurement markers.
And again, in best scenario the effective movie-watching-resolution based on Note 4 screen is 720p (1280x720) considering the aspect ratio of 1.78:1. This best scenario is achieved when the rectangle of half screen (1440*1280) inscribed in the FOV. This is the case in my Chinese version of Google cardboard where the movie screen is smaller (equal to 150" from 10 feet away, more or less) and the pixel is less obvious. So the difference of this Chinese version of Google cardboard vs Samsung Gear VR is like 150" 720p screen vs 200" 5xxp screen.
Not sure about the original Google cardboard for I don't have one.
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Just put my N4 in my Gear VR holding my thumb to the proximity sensor, so that I could see observe the screen when connected and they are not using a completely square image - it looks more like this (except there's a gap in the middle):
It also doesn't the entire width available, but it looks like it's using more than what you have in your picture. The gap between the images is about 4mm and the gap between the image and the sides is about half that (2mm). The top and bottom gaps are about 5mm. So it's definitely using more than 720 pixels for the height, but less than 1280 pixels for the width.
EDIT: I measured it using a tape measure (not any exact numbers, but more accurate than those I came up with).
So based on these measurements the screen would use about 1190 pixels at its widest point, and 1240 pixels at its highest.
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The graph shows the best scenario, where movie screen fills your entire FOV. But this is not comfortable for most viewers, and you are likely to "sit back" a little. Since you're looking through the same matrix of pixels, you are then effectively losing screen resolution, going somewhere to 480p like OP mentioned.
What's also sad, when we reach the Holy Grail of 4K (with Note 5), the movie screen would still be only 1460x820.
If you want best experience with 2D HD content, you're better off moving your chair closer to a TV than strapping Gear onto your head.
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In theory (if my theory is not faulted), to be 1080p movie ready for each eye, the width of the half screen needs to be 1920, which equal to 3840 in whole screen. The height is already more than enough (1440 available, 1080 needed). So the resolution needed from the phone screen is 3840x(1080 to 2160, the former may make the phone too long, but who knows right? The latter will keep the same aspect ratio as Note 4).
Can the lenses on gear vr be replaced so that it will make the screen through it smaller, for watching movie's sake?
I love mine as a great start to mobile VR and i have watch lots of films via oculus cinema. Can't wait for note 5 and new gear vr but perfect start samsung
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I love mine as a great start to mobile VR and i have watch lots of films via oculus cinema. Can't wait for note 5 and new gear vr but perfect start samsung
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Here I'm mainly talking about movie-watching ecperience. The experience is ymmv. For a guy used to watch movie on a 120" projector screen, or a 60" 3D Samsung TV, gear vr experience is unbearable, while Chinese version Google cardboard is very impressive except for it's build is not goog enough.
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Here I'm mainly talking about movie-watching ecperience. The experience is ymmv. For a guy used to watch movie on a 120" projector screen, or a 60" 3D Samsung TV, gear vr experience is unbearable, while Chinese version Google cardboard is very impressive except for it's build is not goog enough.
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I have a 120" movie screen (only 1080p though), and I personally don't find the experience "unbearable", just not as good. Still think it beats watching the movie on just your phone though or laptop.
Totally agree Toss3
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I have a 120" movie screen (only 1080p though), and I personally don't find the experience "unbearable", just not as good. Still think it beats watching the movie on just your phone though or laptop.
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Right, I realized that unbearable is too much of a word. I meant to say that I still prefer to watch movies on 120" projector screen or 60" LED TV over current gear vr. It's a pity because gear vr would have done better. I'm impressed with it's build and the quality of lens, but the lens is not of the correct multiply factor for watching movies.
The gearvr resolution actually gets better overtime as you start not noticing the screen door effect the more you use it. Sure it's not perfect but heaps better then the oculus rift dk2. I'm can't wait for note 5 version
Average viewable res is 540p. Void mode shows more content at about 640p since no VR graphics (depending on video format).
I prefer Void due to more of the video res shown, can view laying down and at least 30% more battery life.
I am keen to buy the OP5 but the pentile Amoled is holding me back ! Have heard a few reviews of the lacking display, especially with only FHD resolution.
Any thoughts or feedback, and any feedback from OP3 users would be appreciated.
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I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.
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I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.
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That's true but I would keep FHD to mid-range phone and QHD on top-end phones. Yes I agree 1080p is definitely more than enough for a normal user but not a power user such as myself as 2K makes a HUGE different in Virtual Reality which is becoming big. Nothing stops OnePlus from implementing the same feature as the S8 where it switches between 1080p and 2K when it needs it! (not sure if that's true just something I heard) or for an another example there's the Sony flagship with the 4K screen it only enables 4K when it needs it as that will eat the battery and resources. So I don't see no reason why they shouldn't implement a 2K screen (apart from them keeping costs down)
Since V/R-A/R will be with us on smartphones for at least 1 more iteration, How will this resolution look in V/R?
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I don't see the need for QHD or WQHD on a 5-6 inch screen. 1080 is more than enough for me. Especially if it provides better battery life and keeps the cost down.
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It's not the resolution which is a challenge, rather it's the pentile arrangement of the Amoled screen... That's what I am looking to get more info about.
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Agree totally. Loved the OP3 apart from the screen which was really poor compared to rivals. You could get used to it for sure but side by side with others it was really apparent how poor it was (effective resolution due to pentile and the colours)
Pentile on 1080 is totally NOT ok. It is clearly visible.
Pentile on 2k would give a full 1080 resolution.
But... My LG G2 is from 2013 and has a full 1080(lcd) display. If I buy a phone 4 years later, i'd expect it to be a full 2k resolution.
The 1080 pentile on the OP3 is horrible. I'm praying the OP5 has a QHD display or I won't buy it.
I own a OP3 and the screen is perfectly fine for me and my friends.
To be nitpicking just blacks are a bit washed out, but not badly at all.
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I own a OP3 and the screen is perfectly fine for me and my friends.
To be nitpicking just blacks are a bit washed out, but not badly at all.
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Coming from a S7edge, that's sounds like bad news for me [emoji22]
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I would also love to see a 1440p display.
Well, while people gripe about why their microscopic screens don't have the resolution required for a 60 inch tv to have I guess less of us are going to enjoy the best smartphone of 2017. People are really pushing for the uselessness of QHD for experimental technology such as VR? Even if you get the QHD you want, are you really going to have that headset plugged in all the time to justify having QHD? Then again i guess those 160x160 photos people post on facebook look great in 2560x1440. My tablet has a QHD screen and i dont notice the difference. QHD is just useless on anything smaller than a 32 inch display. Stop jacking up the price for the 5% of people who would even benefit from QHD. Im sure VR looks fine in 1080, or does it look bad because some famous tech reviewer said it looks bad?
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Well, while people gripe about why their microscopic screens don't have the resolution required for a 60 inch tv to have I guess less of us are going to enjoy the best smartphone of 2017. People are really pushing for the uselessness of QHD for experimental technology such as VR? Even if you get the QHD you want, are you really going to have that headset plugged in all the time to justify having QHD? Then again i guess those 160x160 photos people post on facebook look great in 2560x1440. My tablet has a QHD screen and i dont notice the difference. QHD is just useless on anything smaller than a 32 inch display. Stop jacking up the price for the 5% of people who would even benefit from QHD. Im sure VR looks fine in 1080, or does it look bad because some famous tech reviewer said it looks bad?
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Nonsense.
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Nonsense.
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Nice rebuttal m8
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Nice rebuttal m8
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Do people not know how pentile displays work? Your getting an effective resolution of around 800-900 with the 1080 OP3. It's not enough and you can see it on the 3T. The OPO is even sharper because it doesn't use a pentile display. If the OP5 has another 1080 pentile display its a major draw back.
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Do people not know how pentile displays work? Your getting an effective resolution of around 800-900 with the 1080 OP3. It's not enough and you can see it on the 3T. The OPO is even sharper because it doesn't use a pentile display. If the OP5 has another 1080 pentile display its a major draw back.
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I know how they work. It's a phone dude. Who cares about huge resolutions on this small display. It's not a major draw back, it saves power and money for both us and OnePlus. Get a computer if you need better viewing conditions. I've never had an issue watching youtube in HD or twitch in HD on my 3T. It always looks incredibly sharp and clear with nice colors. Then again I appear to be not even 1% as picky as you seem to be
I personally don't need the extreme HD screen because most of what people do on phones is check email, text, take pictures, social media, web browsing and maybe a game for a bit or watch youtube for a little bit. Not everyone is watching 4K videos on their phones or using VR or whatever else you'd even need a QHD screen for....
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I know how they work. It's a phone dude. Who cares about huge resolutions on this small display. It's not a major draw back, it saves power and money for both us and OnePlus. Get a computer if you need better viewing conditions. I've never had an issue watching youtube in HD or twitch in HD on my 3T. It always looks incredibly sharp and clear with nice colors. Then again I appear to be not even 1% as picky as you seem to be
I personally don't need the extreme HD screen because most of what people do on phones is check email, text, take pictures, social media, web browsing and maybe a game for a bit or watch youtube for a little bit. Not everyone is watching 4K videos on their phones or using VR or whatever else you'd even need a QHD screen for....
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It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.
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It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.
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+1.
B3501 said:
It looks ugly, the screen is a downgrade from my old 6P. Its the biggest part of the phone, the thing you look at and interact with. If OP are bumping up the price to $550 then with a 1080 screen they can forget it.
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the thing is, no one here seems to be taking these leaks with a grain of salt whatsoever. They think they know all the specs already. If they turn out to be correct then great. But, the reveal is 6 days away from now. Can't we just wait for the reveal until we're up in arms about a small piece of glass with glowing lights? I'm all for whatever lets me have more battery and a good experience overall. But we know nothing official about the internals of the phone at the moment. I'm going to say wait and relax until the thing is out or we know the official specs straight from oneplus themselves.
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the thing is, no one here seems to be taking these leaks with a grain of salt whatsoever. They think they know all the specs already. If they turn out to be correct then great. But, the reveal is 6 days away from now. Can't we just wait for the reveal until we're up in arms about a small piece of glass with glowing lights? I'm all for whatever lets me have more battery and a good experience overall. But we know nothing official about the internals of the phone at the moment. I'm going to say wait and relax until the thing is out or we know the official specs straight from oneplus themselves.
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If it is pentile, I'd have to see it in person to tell if it would bother me or not. I had a galaxy nexus which had a 720p pentile, and that was a little bit bothersome, and the nexus 6 with 1440p pentile, which I couldn't notice if I tried. I don't think I've ever seen a 1080p pentile in person, but it's gotta be better than 720p pentile!