Noob Question why is +1 placed in front of numbers - Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Noob Question why is +1 placed in front of numbers - Nexus 6 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

My contacts don't show the +1..only when making phone calls. Is this due to me having my cellular network set to global and it auto adds this?

StrangeTimes said:
My contacts don't show the +1..only when making phone calls. Is this due to me having my cellular network set to global and it auto adds this?
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1 is the country code for USA. Your contacts dont have the 1 because you probably didnt put them in there. When you dont input a country code, it is assumed you are calling within the country.

The number 1 was originally used, way back when landlines were the rage,lol, as a way for the phone company to know that you were making a toll call, whether it be out of the subscribed local calling area in the same area code or calling to a different area code, as well as the country code for making an international call to the US.

This thread makes me feel old

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Are my calls long distance????

Question for those who have the TyTN II which originated from overseas (asia)
My incoming calls all have a "+1" in front of them... my guess is that since the phone still thinks its in Taiwan... it thinks these are long distance calls? Are these actually long distance calls and would I get charged for this?
I am from Canada and there is no selection for it in the system setup...
Can anyone shed some light on this?

SHiBBi3 said:
Question for those who have the TyTN II which originated from overseas (asia)
My incoming calls all have a "+1" in front of them... my guess is that since the phone still thinks its in Taiwan... it thinks these are long distance calls? Are these actually long distance calls and would I get charged for this?
I am from Canada and there is no selection for it in the system setup...
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Ok Let me try and recall how this works back from when I was a CSR for a Cell company.
At least in the US when you dial 555-555-5555 It automagically adds the +1.
That's just the country code.
Now HOW you dial a number means nothing It just routes your call, then the billing system records the calls. (Not and in Cassette Tape record but Puts it to your account) then the billing system compares the info of the call (where to, where from, how long) to your plan.
Like if you need to dial a 1 on a land line you don't have to on a cell phone because they are automagically adding the one, you just can't see it on the phone.
So by it showing you the +1 you won't be charged for Long Distance because you dial +1-555-555-5555 but because your Phone Plan Lacks that.
Hope that clears it up

That's just displaying the country code. I'm sure you using a Rogers or similar SIM card & the phone is using local towers, so there is NO WAY the phone can think it's anywhere. SIM determines the provider, cell towers used determine location.

cool thanks for the clarification

JimmyMcGee said:
Ok Let me try and recall how this works back from when I was a CSR for a Cell company.
At least in the US when you dial 555-555-5555 It automagically adds the +1.
That's just the country code.
Now HOW you dial a number means nothing It just routes your call, then the billing system records the calls. (Not and in Cassette Tape record but Puts it to your account) then the billing system compares the info of the call (where to, where from, how long) to your plan.
Like if you need to dial a 1 on a land line you don't have to on a cell phone because they are automagically adding the one, you just can't see it on the phone.
So by it showing you the +1 you won't be charged for Long Distance because you dial +1-555-555-5555 but because your Phone Plan Lacks that.
Hope that clears it up
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It doesn't always add the 1. Sometimes I've tried to dial a number and I get the "You need to dial a 1 or a zero before making this call" message. I've given up on 7 digit dialing with the cell as well. That rarely works anymore. I have to be in the same area as the exchange I'm dialing, and even then it doesn't always work. In the old days I could 7 digit dial any local number (Local to my cell #) no matter where I was as long as I was not roaming on another carrier's tower. Now even on ATT towers it often forces me to dial the 1 + area code.
-Jay

Jay2TheRescue said:
It doesn't always add the 1. Sometimes I've tried to dial a number and I get the "You need to dial a 1 or a zero before making this call" message. I've given up on 7 digit dialing with the cell as well. That rarely works anymore. I have to be in the same area as the exchange I'm dialing, and even then it doesn't always work. In the old days I could 7 digit dial any local number (Local to my cell #) no matter where I was as long as I was not roaming on another carrier's tower. Now even on ATT towers it often forces me to dial the 1 + area code.
-Jay
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Oh wow 7 digit dialing.... We've been forced to dial 10 digits for 10 years now... I had forgotten about 7 digits.
Let me rephrase then... Most of the time it will add the 1 or +1, but depending on your Cell Service Provider if you call international you have to manually add +(country code) (number).

when roaming and calling a guy just beside one it's a long distance call
the sim is reg'd in a country and all calls outside that country are long distance
dont matter if one call the person beside one in another country
this may vary but if i'm outside of my country and somebody call me i pay for the call from the border and to where i'm located

I've been 10-digit dialing since 1992 here in Philadelphia. I still have the magnet that Bell Atlantic sent out to everyone's house telling them to add the (215) in front.

Manual network/antenna selection possible?

I use my nexus one on ATT - in my area, there are two antennas.. ATT's "preferred" antenna which barely gets any signal at all (resulting in dropped calls every couple of minutes), and there's a "roaming" antenna which gives me full signal and works great. The problem is that when I'm on the roaming (good) antenna, the phone gets a tiny bit of signal from the "preferred" (bad) antenna, switches me over then my calls drop.
I had a Palm Treo which had a hack to manually select the antenna I wanted to use, which worked GREAT. Does a similar hack exist for the nexus one/android?

interesting.... didn't know we can select antennas

there should be a way to hack radio module to allow cell tower override, i have exactly same problem. there are three cells around my house, one nearby and two far away. for some stupid reason phone switches to different cell tower and i lose my network.
in battery use, i have cell standby as my biggest battery hog. cell standby over 25%

I'd be willing to pay for this hack.

has anybody ever found a way to do this?? I just moved further out into the country to get away from the city, and i am one tower too far away to be in the local calling area to all my contacts. lol and i know I'm BARELY into the other towers coverage area. So, if i could tell my phone to stay locked on to a particular tower, and actually get a signal (It switches towers when i still have 3 bars of signal, and I live about a mile further down the street from where it switches) I can avoid long distance charges. I haven't been able to find anything anywhere to be able to do it, but I may be using the wrong search terms. I'm not completely up to snuff on most technical terms. Thanks in advance.

I think cell tower hand offs are handled by the networks, not the phone

can anybody confirm this? what antenna on N1???

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I think cell tower hand offs are handled by the networks, not the phone
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U could very well be correct! Sounds logical. I've been exploring a handful of VoIP options that ya can use from your Android/WM device using your Data connection/WiFi.
I spent a bunch of time reading and researching, and just installed one called Nettalk. No local phone number for incoming calls, but the app is free, and u can make calls to anywhere to/from any Canadian area. The app looks just like the regular dialer, and works pretty decent. So, when somebody calls, I'll just select 'reject call with message' (if calling from a cell) and say I'll call rite back, or if calling from a land line, I'll just send it to voicemail and call back and presto... problem solved. There are a few other options available, where u pay anywhere from $5 a month, to $30 a month and you still using your Data/WiFi connection, but u get a local calling number for contacts to call, and doesn't matter where your phone is, it will receive the call free of long distance charges. Problem is, i haven't found any that have the city I'm from in their numbers database. So for now, I'm going to see how this system works out.

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I think cell tower hand offs are handled by the networks, not the phone
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Both the handset and the base station "handle" hand offs. The handset has a programmed minimum signal level, below which it will essentially request a hand off if one is available. The network can switch the handset to another tower for load balancing or other reasons if it determines that the handset (or the carrier's business interests) is better served by another tower. It's a two way system. If the network wants to move you on to another tower, but the phone won't get a lock, you stay on the original tower.
The problem with the OP is that his SIM (which is programmed with carrier preferences) keeps pushing him off roaming and into the actual AT&T network. Basically, AT&T has its network set up so that any level of AT&T signal is preferable to any level of roaming. It does that to save money on roaming costs, since AT&T handles you for free while you're on their system, but has to pay a few cents to have the roaming partner host you.

Maybe
I think Tasks can do that.

samsung has that feature but i have to find for other handsets

Expatriate cell phone international portability strategies

Purpose: I named the thread "Expatriate cell phone international portability strategies" not only to answer my questions, but generate a thread focused on general portability strategies, the lay of the land, options, considerations, and how to put together what they need without spending weeks picking up bits at a time. I will toss in what I BELIEVE I know from a couple weeks of reading and research, and request corrections and fill in gaps where needed to make this thread a resource.
Scenario: I am a US citizen, and I plan to live in Colombia and work with orphan kids. I want to maintain seamless US connections as well. I also don't want to go past Oreo until they fix the call recording they broke in Pie. The carriers in Colombia all have GSM roots and their market shares are Claro (48%), Movistar(24%), Tigo(18%) Claro is their Verizon meaning it works even in rural areas and other countries in South America, Tigo has the fastest 3G and 4G speeds, the most 4G, and lowest latencies, while Movistar has some rural areas, it made its name with HD Voice in cities before the others.
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The bands in Colombia are:
GSM (2G): 850, 1900 (PCS) - Claro, Movistar, Tigo
UMTS (3G): B2 (1900 PCS) - Claro, Tigo
UMTS (3G): B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) - Movistar (AWS uses frequencies in several segments between 1695 to 2200 MHz)
LTE (4G): B4 (1700) - Movistar, Tigo, Avantel
LTE (4G): B7 (2600) - Claro, Tigo
LTE (4G): B38 (TD 2600) - DirecTV data
LTE (4G): Future - Colombia will soon (when pigs fly) be auctioning in the 700 range 2x 15MHz blocks (Block A/B12), 2x 10MHz blocks (Block B/B12) and two 2x 5MHz blocks (Blocks C/B12&orB13, and D/B14). A supplementary 2x 2.5MHz block of 1900MHz spectrum will also be auctioned, comprising frequencies in the 1865MHz-1867.5MHz/1945MHz-1947.5MHz bands (Block E/B25).
Strategy Development:
1 The phone must be carrier unlocked. You cannot switch SIMs to another provider in the US or any other country unless the phone is unlocked from the carrier. If you buy a phone through a carrier, you pay for your phone with your monthly payments. They own the phone. You will need to request from them to unlock the phone, which they probably will. If you stop making payments on the phone, they will blacklist the MEID so that whoever has the phone cannot use it, which is how people buy a phone on eBay or Craigslist with a clean MEID and end up later with their phone and phone number being blacklisted for non-payment because the previous owner stopped paying on a phone contract or owes them for service. If you buy a phone outright from a non-carrier source such as Amazon or Walmart, it comes Factory Unlocked because you paid for it, it's yours, and at the time of purchase they don't know which network you will be using it on. *There are exceptions to this. Sometimes Walmart will sell pre-pay phones for a carrier at a deeply discounted rate at which point the phone is locked to the carrier until you spend at least so much on the carrier's network, typically a couple months of service. It will normally state that in the fine print on the box if that is the case.
2. I don't want to get updated past Oreo or some way to preserve call recording. All phones sold for the US market are SM-960U*, and are the same hardware platform thus you can change the model from U to U1 by simply flashing new firmware. The only firmware capable of maintaining Oreo 8.1 without getting forced into an upgrade is the SM-N960U1 Oreo 8.1 firmware, which makes the model of the phone SM-N960U1. You must also do other things to prevent the Play Store from ruining your phone with their malware policies and software updates. You can side-loading earlier versions for software by downloading the APKs from APKPure.com. I subsequently did a thread that spells this out in detail. Restore Call Recording to your Note 9 SM-N960U and SM-N960U1
However, there is another way to get call recording without the cooperation of Android, Play Store, and the phone manufacturer and that is to have a VOIP service host your number(s) and record and backup your calls and logs that puts this entire are outside of their ability to control and monetize your information. This opens up many possibilities such as additional telephone lines for $6.00/mo., local presence in multiple countries around the world with no long distance, your number is protected and isolated from wireless provider control, cheaper data-only SIMs, no number porting, you can pick up a phone anywhere and not be concerned with the number assigned because you won't be using that number, you needn't be concerned that your phone doesn't have the carrier specific firmware for their network to use Voice over LTE (VoLTE) or Voice over Wi-Fi (VoWiFi) because you won't be using it. You will be using VOIP, which can be used by anything that can support a VOIP client, which is PCs, phones, and tablets. One such service that fits that quite nicely is CallHippo for $15.00/mo. With VOIP, if your wireless service lapses, you do not lose your number and you simply need Internet access from anywhere, from any device capable of running a VOIP client to use it, including free hot spots. One thing you want to pay attention to when evaluating VOIP plans is what calls cost. Some have "free" incoming, but for instance with CallHippo there is a limit of 800 minutes/mo. free before they start charging $0.01/minute, and outbound calls always cost money, which in the case of CallHippo is also $0.01/minute. Thus, 1000 minutes will cost you $10.00. VOIP includes hosting your number and switching your traffic across the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) which they are paying for and not being reimbursed for by spying on you as your wireless provider does and "free" services such as Google Voice. Moreover, with regard to Video Calling (ViLTE), many countries have defacto applications people use such as WhatsApp, which is rapidly being replaced by Signal from Open Whisper Systems, for secure calling, video calling, and messaging. The reason for this is in most countries using the public switched telephone network (PSTN) costs more than the cost of the data required a call on Signal, there is never any long distance, all you need is an Internet connection where even a hot spot will do, and unlike with carrier communications where the contents of everything is being monetized, it is 100% secure between callers with no server between that can monitor the content of the communications. Unlike other services, Signal doesn't log the calls or even have the metadata to give even under court order.. Therefore, depending on your strategy, the missing network functionality of not running carrier-specific firmware may be of no consequence. 1 GB of data will do 1200 to 2000 minutes of voice calling, which means the bandwidth requirements are so low, that even when throttled after you use up your data allowance, you will still have at least twice the bandwidth needed for quality voice calls.
3. Doesn't Voice over Wi-Fi really come in handy for International travel? First we need to understand the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) It is a world-wide system that originated with copper wires to central offices near your house. This is called the "Last mile", which might be 3 miles. This also means if you move even across the street or somewhere else where and that location is wired to a different Central Office, your phone number will have to change. With mobile devices that had to change. The cellular carrier provides the "Last Mile" that integrates your telephone number into the PSTN. This costs money, and when you pop a SIM into your phone and pay to make it active, that carrier is now the one getting paid to provide the wireless connection and integrate your phone number into the PSTN and they in fact own the number even if you ported it there. Wi-Fi calling is a VOIP connection to your wireless provider that treats the Internet connection of your phone as though it were another cell tower as you drive down the road and when that signal is better than the one it has, it switches to that one. Therefore, in theory, running your carrier's firmware and Voice over Wi-Fi, you could be in a different country, and still have local cell service over the Internet, but it would have to come from Wi-Fi. HOWEVER, because your wireless provider back home is doing your connection to the PSTN, if you don't have a Wi-Fi connection, and your phone roams without an International plan, it gets very expensive very fast, or calls. If you put a local wireless provider's SIM into your phone, you get a new number local to that country, you lose your connection to your number back home, and calls and messages are stored with your carrier back home, and you are paying for a wireless service that you are not using in order to maintain your number. You can switch back to your carrier's SIM AFTER you connect to a hot spot to return your calls and messages to avoid roaming charges. With a SIM local to the country, your to and from back home would be charged long distance rates. With VOIP, changing to a SIM local to your location or using a Wi-Fi hotspot does not affect your access to your number back home, you are not paying for a service you are not using, VOIP can be used by any SIP/VOIP-client-capable device with any kind of Internet connection, either through a SIM or local Wi-Fi hotspot. Additionally, VOIP presents a stable US number, where nobody back home pays long distance to or from that number, no matter where you are in the world. With VOIP as your PSTN provider and the fact that cellular networks are all now data-based, your "Last Mile" becomes anywhere in the world you can get an Internet connection, whether that be Ethernet, Wi-Fi, cellular, or any combination, and with any device capable of running a SIP/VOIP client, such as a phone, tablet, or computer. Moreover, a lapse of wireless or ISP service, cellular service, or change in country location, does not cause you to lose your telephone number as long as you pay the VOIP provider. So to answer the question, "Doesn't Voice over Wi-Fi really come in handy for International travel?" That depends what your expectations are. First, it requires a Wi-Fi connections, which even when free, requires you to agree to their terms before connecting. This works out well in an airport, airplane, or someplace you may be working whether in US or abroad. In the US it can help inside of a building where reception is poor and you connect to the Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is not going to work like a cell phone and ring while you are going down the highway or when you don't take the time to find a wireless network to connect to. After you find a wireless connection, you will mostly be working off voicemails, older emails, and older text messages. Popping in a local SIM would cut you off from your wireless services back home but with VOIP, you would have both local access where you are and perfect connectivity back home.
4. Why don't carriers simply use the US UNLOCKED SM-N960U1 firmware? It covers all of the bands for all of the US carriers, and a lot of the rest of the world, both current and future. I can simply change the SIM for the carrier I want, and I'm good to go. Because the U firmware is tailored to the carrier's network which often contains proprietary methods while they were innovating and before standards were established. Thus, those carriers require non-standard firmware to deliver those services in the near-term. The U1 firmware is tailored to current standards. Also, a phone manufacturer has no right to include the intellectual property that a carrier has invested time and money in and is/was used by the carrier for competitive advantage. Therefore, you may be missing some important features of the network by using the U1 firmware, but it will travel better because it is standards-based, but as mentioned above, those missing features may not matter to you. I did a thread that explains that here: US Note 9 Carrier-Specific vs. US Unlocked Firmware Observations & Theories Question: If I use Google Voice, and use a SM-960U1 US Unlocked phone with a local carrier's SIM in Colombia, will I still get VoLTE and carrier banding from the Colombia carrier without their firmware? As mentioned above, that may be of no consequence to you, but carriers are rushing to become standards-compliant both for regulatory and profitability reasons. VoLTE, VoWiFi, messaging, etc. are things they monetize and don't want to turn away people with other phones. Carrier Banding enables them to not only provide better speed, but also more capacity from the very expensive bands they've been licensed by their regulating authority. These affect price and profitability. Thus, the "U" software force you to update to their latest firmware. The "U1" firmware is standards-based already.
5. Google Voice enables me to have VOIP service any time I have a data connection, and if Internet is not available via the data plan or Wi-Fi, incoming calls and text messages are queued for later when I do. It must be a US number and it must have a backup number in the US. I can forward my Verizon number to the Google number, which in turn can forward to multiple other devices to ring, which is essentially free VOIP. (In exchange for your privacy of course.) Their number cross references to my phone book to show who is calling, and their call rings and works exactly like when I get a call to my Verizon number. To avoid spam, you can have it require them to state their name before forwarding the call plus they do a good job of killing off the spammers anyway. If you return their call, you can elect to have their caller ID show your Google number or your home number at the time you place the call. As with non-free VOIP carriers, Google Voice allows you to use the number any way you can get an Internet connection, call anywhere in the US or Canada for free, the best long distance rate if you call elsewhere, and you are not paying a VOIP provider the the month or minute. You don't lose your number for non-payment because you never pay them anyway, BUT you do need to have a US number to back it. It will do incoming call recording but not outgoing, and plays a message that the call is being recorded.
Curiosity got me checking why Samsung uses the Snapdragon processor on all of the US phones, and Samsung's own Exynos on other phones? What I've found, and seems logical is this:
The Exynos chipset, while good on CPU/GPU benchmarking, is still quite weak in radio performance compared to Qualcomm. Qualcomm is still more than one year, possibly even two years ahead, allowing Qualcomm-based devices to use the network more efficiently and make use of advanced network features which are currently relevant for US (to throw some abbreviations here: MIMO, LTE-U, LAA/LWA,etc), and will be for others in the future. Another is the US market still needs CDMA (the predecessor of LTE which is still in use by some carriers). CDMA may have been replaced by LTE-A on the Verizon network, and CDMA scheduled to be shut down EOY 2019, with Sprint EOY 2020, but they still may be using other CDMA networks they have agreements with beyond that. CDMA is not supported by the Exynos modem. The Snapdragon chipset is very power efficient, and Qualcomm develops a lot of good technology and patents. It's hard not to use their chips, and they are priced where you can't afford to compete with them in a level playing field. Intel, who was supplying Apple, threw in the towel and told Apple they were not going to compete with Qualcomm in the 5G world because they couldn't equal their performance and lost money the entire time in the 3G and 4G world. Apple bought their way back into Qualcomm's good graces by repaying a successful law suit against Qualcomm, and signed a 6-year contract. Thus, the processor that made the most sense at this time is the SnapDragon. The US Note 9s use is as well as the Chinese SM-N9600, which unlike the US SM-N960U* has an unlockable boot loader tempting me with a rootable phone and good firmware support in South America, with instances of success working on the Verizon network in the US. The US UNLOCKED SM-N960U1 supports a few more bands than the SM-N9600 and if I root, I lose Samsung Pay. I'm torn on this one.
Looking forward to your input and corrections,
Thanks!

https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9/help/n9600-samsung-pay-verizon-cdma-support-t3875582

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I read the thread, and my takeaway is with the SM-N9600 I can go places with root, but kills any pay apps. I tried to follow the link to to check out how the revisions work, but the link is broken. So it still seems like an SM-960U, if I freeze at Oreo and add PIE modem firmware, and add other software to prevent the upgrade, I can block the upgrade to Pie and beyond. Which modem firmware would be the best one to flash to the modem is what I'm after. I don't know if the PIE SM-N960U1 modem firmware would work with the Verizon Oreo Firmware to block the upgrade and allow me to use the extra bands of the U1 when using a SIM abroad, or if I need to put in the modem firmware upgrade for PIE for Verizon. EDIT: The only way to prevent an SM-N960U from being upgraded by the wireless provider to Pie and beyond is by flashing the phone to the XAA "U1" firmware.
Thanks!

How can I determine if VoLTE is being used during calls?

I have an SM-N960U from T-Mobile, flashed with the US Unlocked SM-N960U1 firmware that I am running on Verizon. The vendor agnostic firmware does not have all of the screens the carrier-specific screens do, so it's not straightforward to determine what is and isn't working. If I go into Airplane Mode, and turn on Wi-Fi, I cannot call, so we know Wi-Fi Calling doesn't work. However, whether or not Wi-Fi calling works, has zero to do whether or not VoLTE/HD Voice is working. Wi-Fi calling is not a cellular technology, it is VOIP and requires the wireless carrier to also become a VOIP provider, which requires a "home" address of the device for 911 purposes. There certainly is no technical relationship between the two, and it is a service independent of wireless communications. For a wireless provider, the VoWiFi part is working with the phone to switch the data stream, depending on the signal availability, without dropping the call. VoLTE also has nothing to do with whether or not the calling party has VoLTE. All one could say is if the calling party has digital voice of some kind, such as VoLTE, VOIP, or T1, that the call will be clearer because data put into the VOIP packets would be better.

I came up with an idea and found an app called "Force 4G LTE" to prove whether or not VoLTE is active. After installing "Force 4G LTE", besides showing everything about the phone, its displays bands, and signal strength, it also displays menus used by some of the carriers that showed a toggles for Mobile Mobile Radio Power, and VoLTE, Video Calling, and Wi-Fi Calling were all toggled on as provisioned. When I clicked on Advanced, the missing Mobile Networks menu shows up with a toggle for turning VoLTE Calls, which was toggled on. It did not display a Wi-Fi Calling menu. What I didn't expect is the "Force 4G LTE" app enabled me to force any protocol I choose, not just LTE. I forced LTE, and unlike with Wi-Fi calling, it worked.

IT_Architect said:
I have an SM-N960U from T-Mobile, flashed with the US Unlocked SM-N960U1 firmware that I am running on Verizon. The vendor agnostic firmware does not have all of the screens the carrier-specific screens do, so it's not straightforward to determine what is and isn't working. If I go into Airplane Mode, and turn on Wi-Fi, I cannot call, so we know Wi-Fi Calling doesn't work. However, whether or not Wi-Fi calling works, has zero to do whether or not VoLTE/HD Voice is working. Wi-Fi Calling uses VoWiFi, which is VOIP/SIP, and operates under an entirely different set of rules that was around before cell phones had the ability to participate. VOIP might not even use the same voice encoding protocols. The best you could say is, if you have Wi-Fi calling, the odds of you also having VoLTE are greater. There certainly is no technical relationship. VoLTE has nothing to do with whether or not the calling party has VoLTE. All one could say is if the calling party has digital voice of some kind, such as VoLTE, VOIP, or T1, that the call would be clearer because the VOIP used to transmit their call between their provider and yours had better data to work with.
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So I had a few misunderstandings from reading your post. It's most likely me! If you are referring to just having Voice over IP/Data connection, yes it will work no matter what for you as long as you have a data connection.
If you are meaning True VoLTE, then both parties have to have the feature running and functioning. Unfortunately there's no way to know if VoLTE is truly on unless you run a line interceptor or trace from the carrier for two known calls that are currently connected and active. That would be illegal either way. I wouldn't recommend trusting the HD icon that shows when you're connected on a call because we have tested it at work and found that even when on Edge(yeah it still exists), it still said HD even though the quality was trash.
Just my 2 cents from my limited knowledge of working in telecom for a short stint. I still do but not as in depth.
The other thing about VoLTE is it's pretty much just voip but the protocols are indeed different. I use a grenade to fish, you use a net, end of the day, we still fishin. ??*??

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I use a grenade to fish, you use a net, end of the day, we still fishin. ??*?
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A man after my own heart. Grandpa used to fish with grenades. I couldn't get my hands on them, so I made spear guns or water proof fuses and pipe bombs. Who cares whether or not the fish are hungry. :laugh:

apart from the logo in the status bar near the time(that you may or may not see depending on csc setting file) and the branding when u get lr make a call,has an HD logo on the caller card screen, and of course you can litteraly hear it. its cristal clear and very noticable. its like mono vs stereo.
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IT_Architect said:
A man after my own heart. Grandpa used to fish with grenades. I couldn't get my hands on them, so I made spear guns or water proof fuses and pipe bombs. Who cares whether or not the fish are hungry. :laugh:
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does crocodile dundee ring a bell? are you related?

bober10113 said:
apart from the logo in the status bar near the time(that you may or may not see depending on csc setting file) and the branding when u get lr make a call,has an HD logo on the caller card screen
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I have no such indicators. What I did notice, and might the only clue you get with the Unlocked US firmware, is that I noticed LTE+ shows on the status bar for a while at the beginning of the call, and then goes away.
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and of course you can literally hear it. its crystal clear and very noticeable. its like mono vs stereo
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That depends if the party you are connected to is digital.
bober10113 said:
does crocodile dundee ring a bell? are you related?
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Well...Sue IS my mom's name. :laugh:

Jammol said:
Unfortunately there's no way to know if VoLTE is truly on unless you run a line interceptor
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That is a packet sniffer. You have to be rooted to use one off those. I've set up people with VOIP systems and I also did the microwave links, and fought with cities over fiber links. The problem with VOIP is there is no copper "last mile" so you need to specify an address for 911. Locating a caller with VOIP has been shaky for a long time because it became common for a corporate switch to serve satellite plants using the Internet. It requires programming the switch to tie the extension to a location. You still need to do that with cell phones but now it's getting laughable because it moves, and worse, more than one device can service the same number, so it can also be in more than one place at the same time. They are going to have to add something to both VOIP and VoWiFi that uses the GPS at the SIP endpoint, which may still have some flies in the ointment, but at least likely.

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I have no such indicators. What I did notice, and might the only clue you get with the Unlocked US firmware, is that I noticed LTE+ shows on the status bar for a while at the beginning of the call, and then goes away.
That depends if the party you are connected to is digital.
Well...Sue IS my mom's name. :laugh:
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That is a packet sniffer. You have to be rooted to use one off those. I've set up people with VOIP systems and I also did the microwave links, and fought with cities over fiber links. The problem with VOIP is there is no copper "last mile" so you need to specify an address for 911. Locating a caller with VOIP has been shaky for a long time because it became common for a corporate switch to serve satellite plants using the Internet. It requires programming the switch to tie the extension to a location. You still need to do that with cell phones but now it's getting laughable because it moves, and worse, more than one device can service the same number, so it can also be in more than one place at the same time. They are going to have to add something to both VOIP and VoWiFi that uses the GPS at the SIP endpoint, which may still have some flies in the ointment, but at least likely.
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carrier voip (volte) has no such requirement from the user device side. because u are still using their infrastructure which they own and maintain. Wificalling on the other hand does 100% because the wifi you are using is not carrier owned nor managed. so you need to enroll and provide 911 info like actual adress and contact info and consent that if death occurs its not on them because localization is not insured.
as of late i have deactivated wifi calling as for the reason it exists, its actually giving me poorer calling experience. i dont know if theres is something wrong with the phone's policy but using the setting to prefer the mobile line, i often find the device doing calls over wifi regardless of the good mobile signal connection. but its been a while so ill test it out again.
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so i just tested it and when wifi is weak wifi calling disables amd when strong it reenables.
the policy is strange it should have this behavior on weak cell signal and not on weak wifi signal...

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on lte + ,+= carrier aggregation.
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So LTE+ indicates VoLTE and LTE+= indicates carrier aggregation. I did not know that.
EDIT: I JUST figured out our conversation. I said maybe the LTE+ that I saw during my phone conversation was an indication of VoLTE, since LTE+ is the first version with VoLTE support. Your answer states the added + indicates carrier aggregation, implying that it doesn't mean LTE+ features. For some odd reason I interpreted your response that the equal sign would be in the display. Maybe it was taking a day off and catching up on my sleep that made the difference.

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So LTE+ indicates VoLTE and LTE+= indicates carrier aggregation. I did not know that.
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LTE = Regular operatiin single band.
LTE + = MULTI band operation( 2 or more)

USA Carrier Test[Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Google Fi]

This is the first time I have ever posted anything so please excuse the lack of formatting or "neatness."
First of all I want to say that every test I have done was done for a period of 3 days with each of these carriers. The test involved taking the cell phone to the city(Raleigh, NC) to a more rural area(literally anywhere not Raleigh) to test for signal strength differences, voice, and sms. Also, the phone I used is the North American model not the tencent model.
The reason I even did this is because I do not want let go of my Verizon SIM card(I still won't but there is a different reason why at the end)
OK so with that being said let's talk FUNCTIONALITY: ASUS(I have a screenshot of this) is telling me to read in between the lines and that they will push for VoLTE and VoWIFI with USA Carriers AFTER they shut down their 2g/3g Services. However right now VOLTE & VOWIFI DO NOT WORK WITH ANY CARRIER IN THE USA. The closest thing you can get to VOWIFI/VOLTE.
Verizon: Full 4G Support, Data speed and reliability FAR exceed that of AT&T or T-Mobile in RURAL areas of NC. VOICE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES DO NOT WORK ON VERIZON. If you absolutely need to stick to Verizon I have a functional work-around but it does take some time to set up(at the end of post)
AT&T: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON AT&T. If you are not tied to any carrier, I would recommend using AT&T or the best MVNO it has: Good2GO. It is on par with T-Mobile in the city, and also works fine in rural areas.
T-Mobile: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON T-Mobile. I do not recommend this unless you only live in the city and only stay in the city. Rural areas are a no-go for T-Mobile in NC(if you want more specific about which rural areas were tested lmk, but this is mostly central NC)
So I came from Verizon. What is holding me there or why would I recommend you keep it? Well, if you have a current family plan on Verizon with unlimited data, you may want to consider this too, although it is inconvenient.
Reasons to keep Verizon: Unlimited 4G LTE Data plan or an MVNO from Verizon all offer the *MOST RELIABLE* 4G LTE connection. This means that there will rarely be a place without 4G LTE on. The next best thing is AT&T, and although you may not get 4G in as many places as Verizon, it is pretty damn close. Bonus from AT&T is you can actually make calls and text, but wait.... what about 100% Verizon?
IF you reached this spot it is because you want to know the ONLY currently FUNCTIONAL workaround for this problem with no VOLTE VOWIFI or Calls or texts. The solution is to set up call forwarding to a free google voice number from the my verizon app. While you are there, you may as well want to bookmark a webpage in chrome or your browser of choice for text messages. Verizon offers a free service where you can check your texts online. This was originally intended for looking at texts on your computer, but who said you can't use it on your phone?
However, I, cannot stand the idea of being in an emergency where the 4G signal from verizon is too low to make a google voice call, and that I NEED to call someone. Therefore what I am doing is the following: Setting up the Verizon workaround for forwarding calls to the google number, setting up the text message workaround on verizon, and STILL getting an emergency $10/mo AT&T MVNO plan that has unlimited text and calls(Good2go mobile).
other AT&T MVNO's charge way more for that feature by the way. I am usually always travelling, so the amount of times I will be without 4G LTE from any carrier(T-mobile, AT&T, or Verizon) is increased exponentially. I need that backup failsafe with the AT&T MVNO.
With that being said though, if you're wondering why I didn't mention google fi, it is because this sim card 100% did not work at all in this cell phone. I tried changing the APN's and everything else under the sun but it simply did not work. Big bummer since I was hoping this would be my next daily driver for a carrier.
If there is anything else you're interested in let me know. I've had the phone for a good week now so I'm pretty comfy with the way it works and other small things.

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This is the first time I have ever posted anything so please excuse the lack of formatting or "neatness."
First of all I want to say that every test I have done was done for a period of 3 days with each of these carriers. The test involved taking the cell phone to the city(Raleigh, NC) to a more rural area(literally anywhere not Raleigh) to test for signal strength differences, voice, and sms. Also, the phone I used is the North American model not the tencent model.
The reason I even did this is because I do not want let go of my Verizon SIM card(I still won't but there is a different reason why at the end)
OK so with that being said let's talk FUNCTIONALITY: ASUS(I have a screenshot of this) is telling me to read in between the lines and that they will push for VoLTE and VoWIFI with USA Carriers AFTER they shut down their 2g/3g Services. However right now VOLTE & VOWIFI DO NOT WORK WITH ANY CARRIER IN THE USA. The closest thing you can get to VOWIFI/VOLTE.
Verizon: Full 4G Support, Data speed and reliability FAR exceed that of AT&T or T-Mobile in RURAL areas of NC. VOICE CALLS AND TEXT MESSAGES DO NOT WORK ON VERIZON. If you absolutely need to stick to Verizon I have a functional work-around but it does take some time to set up(at the end of post)
AT&T: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON AT&T. If you are not tied to any carrier, I would recommend using AT&T or the best MVNO it has: Good2GO. It is on par with T-Mobile in the city, and also works fine in rural areas.
T-Mobile: Full 4G,H+,1X Support. VOICE CALLS, TEXT, DATA ALL WORK ON T-Mobile. I do not recommend this unless you only live in the city and only stay in the city. Rural areas are a no-go for T-Mobile in NC(if you want more specific about which rural areas were tested lmk, but this is mostly central NC)
So I came from Verizon. What is holding me there or why would I recommend you keep it? Well, if you have a current family plan on Verizon with unlimited data, you may want to consider this too, although it is inconvenient.
Reasons to keep Verizon: Unlimited 4G LTE Data plan or an MVNO from Verizon all offer the *MOST RELIABLE* 4G LTE connection. This means that there will rarely be a place without 4G LTE on. The next best thing is AT&T, and although you may not get 4G in as many places as Verizon, it is pretty damn close. Bonus from AT&T is you can actually make calls and text, but wait.... what about 100% Verizon?
IF you reached this spot it is because you want to know the ONLY currently FUNCTIONAL workaround for this problem with no VOLTE VOWIFI or Calls or texts. The solution is to set up call forwarding to a free google voice number from the my verizon app. While you are there, you may as well want to bookmark a webpage in chrome or your browser of choice for text messages. Verizon offers a free service where you can check your texts online. This was originally intended for looking at texts on your computer, but who said you can't use it on your phone?
However, I, cannot stand the idea of being in an emergency where the 4G signal from verizon is too low to make a google voice call, and that I NEED to call someone. Therefore what I am doing is the following: Setting up the Verizon workaround for forwarding calls to the google number, setting up the text message workaround on verizon, and STILL getting an emergency $10/mo AT&T MVNO plan that has unlimited text and calls(Good2go mobile).
other AT&T MVNO's charge way more for that feature by the way. I am usually always travelling, so the amount of times I will be without 4G LTE from any carrier(T-mobile, AT&T, or Verizon) is increased exponentially. I need that backup failsafe with the AT&T MVNO.
With that being said though, if you're wondering why I didn't mention google fi, it is because this sim card 100% did not work at all in this cell phone. I tried changing the APN's and everything else under the sun but it simply did not work. Big bummer since I was hoping this would be my next daily driver for a carrier.
If there is anything else you're interested in let me know. I've had the phone for a good week now so I'm pretty comfy with the way it works and other small things.
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Did you try CDMA_Less on Verizon?

tech_head said:
Did you try CDMA_Less on Verizon?
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Yes, didn't work

So this is all true for the international version, but not for the Tencent edition. Tencent version only supports bands 1-4 and pretty much nothing else. Those are the old school bands for AT&T and TMobile, so signal is ok but not great. Indoors TMobile is pretty bad with the Tencent phone, whereas I get fantastic signal with my OnePlus 7 pro in the same places on TMobile.
Damn shame, other than that the rog2 is better in every way and I'm going to miss it dearly but I've got a 1 year old and not having a cell signal at home or work is not an option.

cyagl643 said:
Are there any other downsides, because im thinking even if going overseas you can use it like Vowifi because as long as you have some kind of connection via wifi or data you should get calls and texts via the app.
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I'm considering this method as well. I'm a trucker, so network coverage is a deal breaker for which carrier I use, and no one comes close to Verizon. My big concern now is how 911 would work. I know I couldn't do it via Google Voice, but I'm wondering if the phone would default back to the phone radio and seek out a usable network. I know cell phones are required be able to make 911 calls from any available network in the U.S, even if not activated with a carrier. So would the phone make a 911 call via AT&T or TMO?
If I go through with it, I may do it a slightly different way. I have a spare line I could cancel. Instead, I may activate the ROG II to that one, then port my existing number to GV. That way I could use GV but as my current number. I figure that would be easiest on those with my contact info.

Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.

bruciebabie1963 said:
Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.
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And what happens when the gsm(3g) gets turned off in beginning of 2020? Asus seriously f'd up not allowing volte.

homerunbm33 said:
So I have att and really would like to get this phone but concerned about any possible issues(for example no band 14 and 30) . Did you have any issues with service with att? I'm considering the rog, op7t or pixel 4. Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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No, I had no real issues with AT&T, it's the reason I'm getting my 2nd sim to be an MVNO for this phone. 1 Carrier only AT&T is simply the best overall for this phone. If we say Verizon is 100% 4G LTE strength/reliabililty, then AT&T is like 90%, while AT&T is 60%. This is of course in more rural areas. In the city it matters not if you have AT&T or T-Mobile...

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The Verizon idea sounds like a great workaround because you can also download the My Messages app at the play store and it works the same as the website. The only downside, and correct me if Im wrong would be when calling people they would see your google number and not your real cell number. Are there any other downsides, because im thinking even if going overseas you can use it like Vowifi because as long as you have some kind of connection via wifi or data you should get calls and texts via the app.
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I'm afraid you can't use the app it just doesn't work I tried this... maybe it'll work for you though? Otherwise yes, they would get a call from another number(the google number) and they can call either your google number or verizon number and both will work. it's more of there so you don't inconvenience your contacts, but you should probably tell them you simply switched to (google number) and to just call/text there if you're sticking to verizon only, imo.
otherwise yes the app itself only needs data it doesnt matter if you grab data from ethernet(works), 4G, or wifi...

Mr_Mooncatt said:
I'm considering this method as well. I'm a trucker, so network coverage is a deal breaker for which carrier I use, and no one comes close to Verizon. My big concern now is how 911 would work. I know I couldn't do it via Google Voice, but I'm wondering if the phone would default back to the phone radio and seek out a usable network. I know cell phones are required be able to make 911 calls from any available network in the U.S, even if not activated with a carrier. So would the phone make a 911 call via AT&T or TMO?
If I go through with it, I may do it a slightly different way. I have a spare line I could cancel. Instead, I may activate the ROG II to that one, then port my existing number to GV. That way I could use GV but as my current number. I figure that would be easiest on those with my contact info.
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Technically speaking 911 SHOULD work, but I'm not about to get in trouble trying that one out LOL. I have a backup emergency cell phone line for those emergencies since I also, cannot stand not being able to have that option even if the chances are slim. I am also keeping Verizon because it simply has the strongest 4G signal of the USA carriers that I tested, however AT&T isn't too far behind it's definitely good, just not great. AT&T gets calls and texts by default too so theres that as well lol

bruciebabie1963 said:
Its a dual sim phone. Why not have Verizon and a GSM MVPN? Straight talk has some call only plans for $20/month.
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This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...

ZyroSS said:
This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...
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I may consider this as well. I'll likely run it Verizon only with the work around and see how it goes before adding a second SIM.
As for 911, I think I may be able to contact a local 911 operator and see what info I can glean from them.
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I did find this, which includes some info both on how 911 works with un-activated phones, and how to make a test call.
https://www.911.gov/frequently_asked_questions.html

ZyroSS said:
I'm afraid you can't use the app it just doesn't work I tried this... maybe it'll work for you though? Otherwise yes, they would get a call from another number(the google number) and they can call either your google number or verizon number and both will work. it's more of there so you don't inconvenience your contacts, but you should probably tell them you simply switched to (google number) and to just call/text there if you're sticking to verizon only, imo.
otherwise yes the app itself only needs data it doesnt matter if you grab data from ethernet(works), 4G, or wifi...
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I mean I tried the app on the current phone I have with wifi calling off and airplane mode on, and had someone text me and I got it.

Hey, so I've tried everything I read online to forward my calls to Google voice. I have Verizon. I've tried both *72 and *73. I've made sure to not have any forwarding set up on GV so I'm not in an infinite forwarding loop. But no matter what, it seems the calls straight to GV voicemail. Is there something I'm missing? I've also tried it with my Verizon number linked and after I deleted it. Any help would be much appreciated. thank you

Drkstover said:
Hey, so I've tried everything I read online to forward my calls to Google voice. I have Verizon. I've tried both *72 and *73. I've made sure to not have any forwarding set up on GV so I'm not in an infinite forwarding loop. But no matter what, it seems the calls straight to GV voicemail. Is there something I'm missing? I've also tried it with my Verizon number linked and after I deleted it. Any help would be much appreciated. thank you
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I called Verizon and had them forward my calls to my GV # and it works fine.

AVJ1221 said:
I called Verizon and had them forward my calls to my GV # and it works fine.
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What app are you using for GV calls? Google Voice app doesn't ring for me...

ram4ufriends said:
What app are you using for GV calls? Google Voice app doesn't ring for me...
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Try restarting your phone. Sometimes GV gets buggy for some unknown reason. I also have Hangouts and Hangouts dialer downloaded so Google assistant can make calls when I ask. I believe GV can dial out through dialer as well.
And make sure to allow GV and any other calling app you're using to auto start in your phone settings.

ZyroSS said:
This is exactly what I did. I purchased a plan $10/mo for unlimited calls/texts through Good2go mobile, an AT&T MVNO...
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How is Good2go working for you?
Any problems in calls/texts?
Thanks.

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