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Hi everybody
I'd like to know if LG has now fixed the backlight bleeding (at the top corners of the screen) on this phone or is it still there ?
I like the build quality and the other specs but the bleeding made me sell the first one I got 4 months ago.
Thanks
Friend bought a set in early July, with a battery manufacture date of around end-may. Backlight bleeding still there at the top 2 corners, and lower right corner.
It won't be going anywhere, pretty much anything with an IPS LCD screen has it, iStuff included.
noobish question from relatively advanced user, but can someone explain or even show a photo of a screen bleed, Ive had a HTC Desire which the screen was fine, and the lg o2x which seems fine, but many people are complaining about the screen bleeding, just wanting to know what is so bad about it that you would change your phone???
Get in a dark room, crank the brightness to max and make the screen black (drawing program will do). You'll see it, kind of a glow from the corners. It's not really a huge deal in daily usage for most I reckon.
Got my second o2x couple of days ago..
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Thanks for the photos. The bleeding on mine was yellow/brown which doesn't seem to be your case...
.... and what is the real point of this? I probably have the same bleeding (I won't make the try) and in a 'normal' usage (i.e with a multicolor screen and some lights around) I couldn't even have the slightest idea that such an issue could exist (I use my phone daily for 3 monthes)
So it's only a psychological concern, for people that need to have a Zero Flaw object in their hands even if the Flaws are invisible?
I'm sure as Rusty! said that you could find this in many LCD devices....
It depends how huge is the bleeding.
I had 3 O2X and one wasnt huge but the 2 others were awfull : the top corners were brown/yellowish.
Unfortunately, I sold the good one to buy SGS II...
This has something to do with the screen specs, can't be fix.
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Got my second o2x couple of days ago..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/225/1000894m.jpg/
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2nd image is not backlight bleed but typical IPS off-angle white glow. Has to do with the filter used for IPS panels; almost all IPS LCD monitors have it.
well than i think the backlight bleeding will forever be there .
even my friend asus transformer has it .
my phone is a week old and has bleeding on the top corners..
You dont notice it when you dont have a black screen!
mixo
drleospaceman said:
2nd image is not backlight bleed but typical IPS off-angle white glow. Has to do with the filter used for IPS panels; almost all IPS LCD monitors have it.
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Yep i know..
So I put in an RMA for my nexus 4 since my earpiece was not working, i got in on the first day of sale, and other then having to make calls through speakerphone, ive been extremely happy with the phone.
so i put in my RMA, and just received the unit 2 days ago. and i have some concerns.....
for starters, the screen on the replacement unit seems to have something wrong with it, cant quite figure out what it is, its not the common yellow spotting issue, its more of a washed out, lack of brightness issue. its not as bright as my original, and the whites seem dull and off-white, and the greys( particularly the settings menu) seem to have a yellow/greenish tint. I tried the color calibration apps (both the nexus 4 display app and the faux app) nothing seemed to work.i have taken pictures to show the differences.
another issue is with the back glass. If you see the pictures around the camera opening, my original has a noticeably bigger opening then my replacement, god knows why, but this ties in with the tittle of this thread and my concern, could this back glass have been broken and replaced by LG and passed off as a new in box unit?
the last piece of this puzzle is with the packaging itself, the box was new, had original black tape security tabs identical to my original nexus, also the screen protectors were in place as well, also identical to my original nexus. but what was definitely not present was the thin tiny strips of vinyl covering the chrome bezel, there was 4 in total on my original, this RMA unit had none, what gives?
so there is it, sorry for the long rant, just wanted to see what everyone thinks about this.
pics showing the difference in screen quality, original unit on right, replacement on left, also my original unit has the larger camera opening, let me know what you think.
Yellowing is normal with IPS Panels, it's the glue drying, give it a few days and it will be gone.
The camera lens has been discussed in other threads. It's apparently a hardware revision and makes no difference with the camera quality
I don't think my Nexus 4 had any plastic wrapping around the chrome finish. Anyone else?
nexus14 said:
I don't think my Nexus 4 had any plastic wrapping around the chrome finish. Anyone else?
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There was none, the device was bare.
You seem to have gotten a rev 11. Give the RMA a week and then compare the screens. The yellow will be gone by then. As long as the yellow is uniform you should be good. Be grateful you didn't order an RMA this late and got an original rev 10. I think the 11s have better battery life and less light bleed. The rev 10 I received is awful... Came gritty and full of dust. Also had a nick in the glass underneath the factory screen cover, a black unfinished dot on the chrome, and a piece of debris under the glass. The yellow on my screen is only on the lower half of the screen. This is my 4th nexus. I have no. 5 on the way. Hope I get a good one the next time around.
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How do you tell which revision it is?
well, now that you mention it, that was one of the things i did notice, was less light bleed, total darkness with black background, my original unit has 2 spots on the top with very small light bleed, the new RMA unit has a tiny hint of light bleed in the same spot.
so im suddenly feeling alot better about my replacement unit thanks to you guys, my biggest concern was the missing vinyl pieces over the chrome bezel, glad to hear its normal.
i still have 18 days to send out my original unit, ill keep using it daily with full brightness and compare after a week.
Also, where was the camera opening change discussed?
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How do you tell which revision it is?
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I would like to know this too.
just confirmed, you can check your "rev" model by booting into fastboot, (hold vol up and vol down + power)
so my original is a rev-10 manufactured in 10/20, my new RMA unit is a Rev-11 manufactured 12/10, i hope the screen improves
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You seem to have gotten a rev 11. Give the RMA a week and then compare the screens. The yellow will be gone by then. As long as the yellow is uniform you should be good. Be grateful you didn't order an RMA this late and got an original rev 10. I think the 11s have better battery life and less light bleed. The rev 10 I received is awful... Came gritty and full of dust. Also had a nick in the glass underneath the factory screen cover, a black unfinished dot on the chrome, and a piece of debris under the glass. The yellow on my screen is only on the lower half of the screen. This is my 4th nexus. I have no. 5 on the way. Hope I get a good one the next time around.
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5th phone? I guess that means they'll probably give me a replacement too I thought after the 3rd unit they wouldn't do anything I'll call for a RMA tmrw my phone has been constantly overheating it even started to heat up when it was in my pocket on sleep
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Jayrod1980 said:
You seem to have gotten a rev 11. Give the RMA a week and then compare the screens. The yellow will be gone by then. As long as the yellow is uniform you should be good. Be grateful you didn't order an RMA this late and got an original rev 10. I think the 11s have better battery life and less light bleed. The rev 10 I received is awful... Came gritty and full of dust. Also had a nick in the glass underneath the factory screen cover, a black unfinished dot on the chrome, and a piece of debris under the glass. The yellow on my screen is only on the lower half of the screen. This is my 4th nexus. I have no. 5 on the way. Hope I get a good one the next time around.
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Mines a rev 10 and it's great, no issues, no light bleed, no yellow screen, none of that stuff.
The yellowing is not glue and it will no go away, my rma has a yellow tint and after weeks of use it is still there, my RMA also had the smaller camera hole aswell, waiting on my third nexus.
no vinyl on my bezel at all. Mine was not RMA.
Yeah, my N4 did not have any plastic on the bezel when it arrived BNIB. My RMA should come this week or the next (Bluetooth does not work on current device on Stock firmware and custom as well) and I will compare the two to see if there are any differences.
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No vinyl on my bezel as well. (original phone)
RMA will be here soon, will update on that too
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Mines a rev 10 and it's great, no issues, no light bleed, no yellow screen, none of that stuff.
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I received my RMA on November 29th. I have perfect Nexus except for some light bleed at the top. That's not a big deal especially since it's an IPS display. No yellowing, whites are perfect, no overheating, and I have a "faster" CPU.
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They've probably increased the gap around the lens so if the back glass cracks it cannot crack quite as close due to a bigger gap?
I also wonder what impact colours have around a phone camera lens because the black is quite reflective but the grey part isn't.
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The yellowing is not glue and it will no go away, my rma has a yellow tint and after weeks of use it is still there, my RMA also had the smaller camera hole aswell, waiting on my third nexus.
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This sucks to hear..... So the phone itself is not bad, the screen seems great and bright, but when I put it next to my original nexus its amazingly noticeable, and that's what kills me!!! Knowing that I do t have the best screen experience possible, ugghhhh
I called in the issue and might pursue another RMA, but I think I'm gonna wait a while, perhaps "rev-12" or whatever comes next will be better, but the screen is killing me right now!!!
Mine kind of yellow. But I don't care really. I change my phone every year or so. So it's not really big deal. The screen very crisp colors are very nice.
I regards to the yellow tint... Does LG out source their LCDs? Reason I ask is because the comparison shots just look like different screen temps. When I was buying iPhones, this was a common issue because apple used displays from both Samsung and LG. I had bought two phones on the same day for my wife and I, both the same model, and my phone had a very blue (cool temp) hue as compared to my wife's, which was much more yellow (warm temp). Just a thought.
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Just noticed that I can visibly see the LED pixels on the screen.. Anyone else have this happen after having the phone for a bit?
It's 493ppi so seeing 1 OLED pixel seems out there even for most people. I have 20/10 vision correct with contacts and I can't see them even if I try. Maybe if I had a dead pixel I could see it, but normally I can't see anything.
My display looks like Christmas tinsel
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My display looks like Christmas tinsel
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Can you take a picture of it with another phone? If it looks like that I would RMA it.
Pilz said:
Can you take a picture of it with another phone? If it looks like that I would RMA it.
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I couldn't get the other phone to focus on the pixels. I put in a request with AT&T for a replacement under warranty.. Just concerned with the build quality of the device since I've only owned it for a couple weeks and have this issue. Its a damn expensive device to have issues like this.
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I couldn't get the other phone to focus on the pixels. I put in a request with AT&T for a replacement under warranty.. Just concerned with the build quality of the device since I've only owned it for a couple weeks and have this issue. Its a damn expensive device to have issues like this.
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I didn't have that issue on my first Nexus 6 but I did have a camera issue. My second one is excellent no issues so far. I had my first one for 7 weeks before I had to RMA it.
I have perfect vision (my optometrist is jealous) and I can't resolve individual pixels on the display when held at "normal" distances.
After using the Nexus 6 though, I can resolve the pixels on my N7 LTE under certain conditions, after never having noticed it before. Drives me nuts.
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I have perfect vision (my optometrist is jealous) and I can't resolve individual pixels on the display when held at "normal" distances.
After using the Nexus 6 though, I can resolve the pixels on my N7 LTE under certain conditions, after never having noticed it before. Drives me nuts.
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That's how it is when I use Mt wife's S5 it's almost annoying because I can see them sometimes when I didn't used to. That started after having my G3 for the past 7 months
So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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Yes that's correct.
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So just to be clear, when y'all are looking at the screen with a white background, you don't see red, blue, and green dots, correct?
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Not corrected. I can see them also. It is mostly because of the uneven pentile pixel layout. Coming from an LG G3 which is stripe RGB you will definitely see a difference in quality. G3 is much more ordered and cleaner vs N6 a bit grainy with slight pink side. However, in my opinion it is an illusion because of a vertical vs diagonal layout. In both cases the blend is even.
My guess is that your new unit will not be any different.
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Not corrected. I can see them also. It is mostly because of the uneven pentile pixel layout. Coming from an LG G3 which is stripe RGB you will definitely see a difference in quality. G3 is much more ordered and cleaner vs N6 a bit grainy with slight pink side. However, in my opinion it is an illusion because of a vertical vs diagonal layout. In both cases the blend is even.
My guess is that your new unit will not be any different.
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My previous device was the G2 and in certain lights you can see the pixels with the screen off, especially outdoors. However, I don't see the pixel arrangement with the screen off on the N6; and I don't recall seeing the pixels prior to today.. Maybe it wasn't evident at first and maybe my eyes are now focused on the pixels, but I don't think you should be able to see RGB light reflections when viewing the phone display straight on. My HP laptop has the same affect when the screen has some wet spots; but the fact is, I can wipe dry those spots and the RGB reflections are gone. I don't have time to go to a brick and motor store to view the phones on display, and the new device should be in my hands mid-week.
Here's a thought - I installed the Skinomi Techskin a few days ago (probably a week now). Wondering if this screen protector is causing this?
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My previous device was the G2 and in certain lights you can see the pixels with the screen off, especially outdoors. However, I don't see the pixel arrangement with the screen off on the N6; and I don't recall seeing the pixels prior to today.. Maybe it wasn't evident at first and maybe my eyes are now focused on the pixels, but I don't think you should be able to see RGB light reflections when viewing the phone display straight on. My HP laptop has the same affect when the screen has some wet spots; but the fact is, I can wipe dry those spots and the RGB reflections are gone. I don't have time to go to a brick and motor store to view the phones on display, and the new device should be in my hands mid-week.
Here's a thought - I installed the Skinomi Techskin a few days ago (probably a week now). Wondering if this screen protector is causing this?
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So are you talking about seeing pixels when the screen is on or when the screen is off?
The die of the pixel arrangement will be visible under certain angle in just the right light when the screen is off.
Also, screen protectors can cause this to be amplified for sure. It all depends on the quality of that screen protector.
This characteristic is just one of those things you have to put up with when you're dealing with resolution cheating samsung crappy pentile amoled displays. I was hoping that the QHD would be enough to overcome the pentile, but that doesn't seem to be entirely the case for some.
At least (if tmo ever decides to actually ship it) it won't be as bad as my last cheating samsung amoled... a 4" 800x480.
I figured going into this, that the display would be pretty crappy. Too big, and amoled pentile... but after suffering with non-nexus devices for a few years (last one was a "nexus zero" -- ADP1...), I just don't feel like fighting with the thing, so fact of being a nexus > crappy display.
So I just picked up my Note 4 last night. Coming from a G3. Screen is bright and colors are great. Liking the phone. But one thing that bugs me and it may just be me.. is the color shift during different viewing angles of the screen. Mine turn to like a greenish blue tint when tilted all directions. It's most noticeable on lighter screens. Darker colors not so much.
Does anyone else have this? Does it bother you? Should I go exchange?
Mess around with these settings first
Doesn't make a difference. Anybody else have this problem?
All the displays in the Note 4 have screen viewing angle issues. Some have vertical shift issues wheres others have horizontal shift issues and others have both. People tend to keep their eyes oriented on just the vertical aspect and look at their devices eye-on, a big factor as to why you don't read many others acknowledging this on their AMOLED devices (Note, not just pertaining to the Note 4). AMOLED has perfect viewing angles, the culprit is usually the digitizer and glass which are incorporated on top of the AMOLED screen. The digitzer and Glass are responsible for the color shift due to inorganic elements used to manufacture such components. I've seen red shift to orange when looking at certain Note 4's from a horizontal angle, and I've seen Blues shifting to purple from vertical angles, and I've seen worse in which a demo unit had pink shift and green and blue shift. A replacement is not going to help. The iPhone circumvents the screen viewing angle problems thanks to the separation between the LCD panel, backlight, and glass. Recently, Apple decided to combine the backlight and LCD, thus reducing 3 layers to 2, the results did not compromise the screen viewing angles. IPS displays are still a versatile choice when thinking about appropriate displays. AMOLED is simply good for folks that are addicted to saturated colors.
Never had any issue. When I first got my phone, when I viewed the screen from a heavy angle it had a bit of a pink tint on white colors, but that had gone away now.
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Are you using any screen protector as well?
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There are several factors involved,
- Amount of Oleophobic Coating which distorts the actual colors discernible by the viewer
- The Digitizer
- The Corning Gorilla Glass
- And the amount of bonding used to keep the AMOLED display adhered to its bottom layer (Remember: Organic by Nature).
I have no issues. Looks amazing for me
Well after having it a few days.. it doesn't bother me much anymore or I don't notice it as much. Maybe it's going away. I had a few galaxy devices recently and I guess I never noticed. I'm used to my G3s ips screen.
Are you guys experiencing light bleed from the edges of your Note 8 screen. I just got my Tmobile Note 8 yesterday.
Wow...
I was hoping to god this wasn't gonna happen again.. I hated this so much with the Note 7 -_-
It isn't bad at all when the brightness is lowered, but looks absolutely disgusting when using the phone for GPS at night.
Last thing I want is for a $1500 phone to look cheap.
Apparently this is "natural" because of the glass and how it reflects light, BUT... all they had to do was wrap the black around it to block that reflective exit alone the edges.. But they didnt.
I may just take my note 8 back over this. I couldn't stand this on my note 7
OP, you should max the brightness, show a white image, and put a credit card on top of the screen and then take a picture.
Wow! I probably would have never noticed, but I do now. Thanks! I have a VZW but it doesn't seem near as bad as yours. Luckily my case covers it so I won't OCD over it, like the bubble I have in the bottom of my screen protector, going back to geek squad tomorrow. On my s7 edge I made them change it out 3 times. :angel:
HeRe4oNeReAsoN said:
Wow! I probably would have never noticed, but I do now. Thanks! I have a VZW but it doesn't seem near as bad as yours. Luckily my case covers it so I won't OCD over it, like the bubble I have in the bottom of my screen protector, going back to geek squad tomorrow. On my s7 edge I made them change it out 3 times. :angel:
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You probably aren't noticing it because it takes a relatively bright image closer to the edge for it to appear.
View a white image with maxed brightness while covering the majority of the screen, and you will literally see a white ring around the edge of the phone.
Super damn annoying -_-
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You probably aren't noticing it because it takes a relatively bright image closer to the edge for it to appear.
View a white image with maxed brightness while covering the majority of the screen, and you will literally see a white ring around the edge of the phone.
Super damn annoying -_-
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After reading this post, I immediately took it out of the case, cranked the brightness up, turned the lights off, opened a web page, seen it! Aghhhh! On mine, it seems worst on the right side. Put it back in the case, took a shot, and now trying to forget it was ever there or my eyes will look for it every time, because it IS ANNOYING now that I KNOW it's there!
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After reading this post, I immediately took it out of the case, cranked the brightness up, turned the lights off, opened a web page, seen it! Aghhhh! On mine, it seems worst on the right side. Put it back in the case, took a shot, and now trying to forget it was ever there or my eyes will look for it every time, because it IS ANNOYING now that I KNOW it's there!
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Sorry
If it makes you feel better, its only noticeable when the brightness is at a decent level. Plus using a case will get rid of it entirely.
I'll probably whip out the microscope and apply a fine line of black paint along the edge of the glass lol.
I wonder when they're going to get rid of light bleed. I've literally had it on every device with a screen that I've ever owned.
I thought that OLED devices weren't backlit. Blah blah blah individual pixels lit. Isn't that supposed to be a selling point of OLED screens? Where does the light bleed come from?
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I wonder when they're going to get rid of light bleed. I've literally had it on every device with a screen that I've ever owned.
I thought that OLED devices weren't backlit. Blah blah blah individual pixels lit. Isn't that supposed to be a selling point of OLED screens? Where does the light bleed come from?
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It happens because the glass is still thick enough to allow light to travel along the inside and exit throughout the edges.
This is such an easy fix too, which is why I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed. All they have to do is literally wrap the glass around the edges with the same material they're using the the top and sides anyway..
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It happens because the glass is still thick enough to allow light to travel along the inside and exit throughout the edges.
This is such an easy fix too, which is why I don't understand why this hasn't been fixed. All they have to do is literally wrap the glass around the edges with the same material they're using the the top and sides anyway..
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Ahh, ok. Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. It's different than the standard LCD light bleed then.
Hopefully I won't notice it much while it's in a case.
Zero light bleed on mine.
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Are you guys experiencing light bleed from the edges of your Note 8 screen. I just got my Tmobile Note 8 yesterday.
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A blast from the past. Identical thread in the Note 7 and nearly all other forums concerning the 'edge screen design'.
It is not technically "Light bleed" That term is reserved for a phenomena (problem-fault) often common with IPS panels.
What you are seeing is......how can one write.......light escaping NOT into the screen as light bleed but light escaping from the screen.....There is a gap between the body and where the display ends, this tiny tiny tiny space, in certain situations, can indeed shine light OUT but not into the screen and there is a difference but both can be annoying IF we become OCD about it. I guess this situation is part of the edge experience? As suggested by peers, a case will stop such micro reflections or light escaping.
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A blast from the past. Identical thread in the Note 7 and nearly all other forums concerning the 'edge screen design'.
It is not technically "Light bleed" That term is reserved for a phenomena (problem-fault) often common with IPS panels.
What you are seeing is......how can one write.......light escaping NOT into the screen as light bleed but light escaping from the screen.....There is a gap between the body and where the display ends, this tiny tiny tiny space, in certain situations, can indeed shine light OUT but not into the screen and there is a difference but both can be annoying IF we become OCD about it. I guess this situation is part of the edge experience? As suggested by peers, a case will stop such micro reflections or light escaping.
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So this is a known issue with Galaxy phones?
I've never experienced it with the Note 7 or currently with the Galaxy S8 plus. Is this enough to get a replacement?
Wow, this thread is like dejavu, I had to really look for it with max brightness in a dark room to find it on both my note 7's. I didn't think it was a big deal but some did. If I get the note 8 I will look for it.
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It sounds like you might have to go through more than one replacement to get one that doesn't do it.
Just for fun, I always follow the release of the new iPhone on Macrumors each year, and there's always a huge light bleed thread. I know (now) that this is something completely different than what happens with these phones.. People over there go through numerous replacements to try and get a perfect screen. Many never get one.
I will have my phone in a case from day one, so I guess that I won't see this.
Mine's good... no light bleed at all.
I am getting no light bleed at all. Turned my screen all the way up on a white screen and no light bleed.
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None on my T-Mobile variant. I put a full white image up just to be sure.
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I'm not seeing any either even with the brightness turned all the way up and various bright pictures. There's a slight change in brightness but that's to be expected with the curve but nothing like the pictures.
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I've never experienced it with the Note 7 or currently with the Galaxy S8 plus. Is this enough to get a replacement?
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at least one guy on another forum has reported his light bleed and is getting a replacement in exchange.
So maybe some were built with more of a "gap" there than others.
The way my luck with electronic devices works, I'll definitely have it. Glad that it won't be noticeable when it's in a case. I won't even look for it, because then I'll know it's there for sure and it will bug me.