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[Q] Question on Unlocked Ebay Moto X - Likely from Puerto Rico

I just purchased an Unlocked Moto X on Ebay. It hasn't arrived yet, but the back of the box was in Spanish and it is shipping from Puerto Rico. I've been trying to determine exactly what I am getting here, but I'm having trouble. Hopefully you guys can help me answer these questions.
- From reading other threads it sounds like I'm getting a XT1058. Will this be hardware identical to the AT&T XT1058?
- If so, I'm guessing HSPA+ on AWS with T-Mobile will not work. is that correct?
- Have these models received the recent update that improves the camera?
- If not enabled, is there a way to enable AWS? Would flashing T-Mobile firmware work?

I have that model. Its from the GSM carrier "Claro". Yes it has the recent camera update. I have it unlocked and im currently using it on att with LTE.
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I had one
Same hardware as att and rogers.
Wont work on aws hspa.
As far as I know still haven't gotten update unless it happened this week. (This is part of why I sold mine to get a T-Mobile one )
You could unlock boot loader and flash the rogers or att image to fix that though
I am pretty sure you can't flash aws on it. I know some Samsung phones its possible but for Motorola the hardware is probably slightly different
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[Q] Motorola Moto X in UK & Flashing basebands

Good day all,
I'm considering importing a Motorola Moto X to the UK and was wondering if anyone could help answer some questions so that I may pick the right model. I haven't been able to find my answers specifically in other posts.
As I understand it, only the Rogers model has the 2600Mhz band (band 7) which will allow the phone to use 4G in the UK.
Unfortunately only the 16Gb model is available which isn't much good to me.
I see however that the 4.4 leak on AT&T Moto X unlocks this band 7, however the recommendations are not to buy an AT&T model.
Is this because the AT&T model is not sim unlockable? Or can i not flash stock google to the AT & T phone?
If this is not the case is it possible to flash the rodgers radio say, to a developer edition 32Gb phone?
In short, is there a way to flash different basebands across the Moto X?
Cheers,
Gordon

If you want band 7 LTE and 32gb I think the only possible option that exists right now is the AT&T model. They are simlocked from factory and will require an unlock code. Most of the time they can be unlocked but there are a few cases where no unlock code seemed to work. They cannot be bootloader unlocked which means you can only run AT&T firmware.
They also don't officially support band 7 LTE, but at this time it does appear to be enabled.
The modem files/baseband files can be flashed between the different models however that does not change the basic band support built into the phone. The only model made with band 7 LTE hardware support is the XT-1058.
The Rogers version can be flashed with the retail/dev edition firmware(after the bootloader is unlocked) but it will always only have 16gb of storage, they don't offer a 32gb version(silly Rogers). The Rogers version is also simlocked from factory but unlock codes are 8 dollars or less and are easy to get.
Overall the AT&T firmware isn't that bad, most of the bloat can easily be disabled, as long as they don't remove band 7 support and it is simunlocked you'll be fine, and you can have your 32gb. (and you get a bonus AT&T logo on the back of the phone)

Thanks for your quick response Steve-x.
I see now that the Band 7 radio is a hardware rather than a software feature and that it's specifically an XT1058 I'm after.
I have just one more question in that case and I guess it's aimed at those with knowledge or experience of AT&T...
If I were to get an AT&T phone on leak 4.4 and AT&T were later to release the official 4.4 which blocked band 7 (or even a patch which blocked band 7) would this be pushed to my phone? Or is it the case i can stick to the leaked 4.4 without ever upgrading?
Cheers,
Gordon

[Q] Question before buying

Hey all, looking to purchase a Moto X and I'm trying to figure out what variant would work on Bell Mobility in Canada as it's not entirely clear. If someone could help me out that'd be great! Thanks
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Compare the bands/frequencies that Bell Mobility uses to the bands/frequencies supported by the different Moto X variants?

You'd want the XT1058 model (aka the AT&T Moto X). Only that model has LTE band 7 (2600MHz), which is widely used in Europe and Asia- it's also the model sold by Rogers Canada.
Keep in mind that if you're planning to root it you should get the Developer Edition. (But then you won't get LTE support outside America).
Bottom line:
AT&T model for international LTE support (XT1058)
Developer Edition for easy rooting (ie. unlockable bootloader) (XT1053)

The easiest to get and best one for Bell is the Rogers/Fido version. It comes sim locked but it is 8 dollars or less to unlock it. They are pretty easy to come across on craigslist these days.
You could also import one from the US if you wanted, if that is the case then I'd get the tmobile version. You would lose access to band 7 LTE though but you'd be able to get a custom colored version and 32gb if you need it.
edit - to respond to what KaiHD said above my post
Run away from the AT&T version, the Rogers version is the same hardware but has an unlockable bootloader and no bloatware. The Rogers version is also very easy to sim unlock.
Also, I see you're in BC, if its the lower mainland you can pickup an as new Moto X for $300.00 Cdn
Just for those wondering - Bell Mobility is a Canadian cell provider with HSPA and LTE.

Unfortunately people in my area are asking unreasonable prices for Rogers/Fido Moto Xs (500-600) and I have the opportunity to grab an AT&T variant for under 300. Thanks to both of your for the info, helped a lot.
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[Q] Which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola?

I'm looking to buy a used Moto X, and am trying to figure out which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola and not a carrier. I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US. I don't trust the carriers to continue pushing out Motorola's updates, so I'd rather just get them from Motorola directly.
My understanding is that the new dev versions and the retail, full-priced versions from Motorola will get updates. How do I identify those on the secondary market? Is it as simple as - if the back doesn't have a carrier logo, it gets updates from Motorola? Should I only be looking for an XT1053 and not an XT1058?
Looked in the FAQs and searched, but couldn't find an answer.
Thanks!

I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them get the update OTA straight from motorola. Even the dev and unlocked GSM's roms are labeled as T-Mobile retail. However, if you have one of those devices and an unlocked bootloader, you can download the system images straight from moto's website and easily install the updates yourself. So either version works in your case. The only difference is that you lose your warranty if you don't have a dev edition.
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That Ain't Falco!!! said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think any of them get the update OTA straight from motorola. Even the dev and unlocked GSM's roms are labeled as T-Mobile retail. However, if you have one of those devices and an unlocked bootloader, you can download the system images straight from moto's website and easily install the updates yourself. So either version works in your case. The only difference is that you lose your warranty if you don't have a dev edition.
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Thanks for the answer. So, theoretically, it wouldn't matter which device I got. Good to know. Thanks!

511pf said:
I'm looking to buy a used Moto X, and am trying to figure out which Moto X's receive updates from Motorola and not a carrier. I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US. I don't trust the carriers to continue pushing out Motorola's updates, so I'd rather just get them from Motorola directly.
My understanding is that the new dev versions and the retail, full-priced versions from Motorola will get updates. How do I identify those on the secondary market? Is it as simple as - if the back doesn't have a carrier logo, it gets updates from Motorola? Should I only be looking for an XT1053 and not an XT1058?
Looked in the FAQs and searched, but couldn't find an answer.
Thanks!
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If you want to be able to use your phone on multiple carriers, definitely buy the XT1053.
The XT1053 comes bootloader-unlockable and sim-unlocked. If you buy the XT1058 AT&T variant, the bootloader cannot be unlocked (unless you are lucky enough to get a code from the china middleman), and the phones are SIM-Locked to AT&T (unusable on T-Mobile). Some have reported success getting a SIM-Unlock code from online sellers, but others have reported that they tried all of the online sellers and none of the unlock codes work.
If you want a phone that will 100% be usable on any GSM carrier, buy the XT1053.
All variants should [eventually] receive the updates.

Don't know about XT1053 but I got the XT1052 and it came with unlock-able bootloader too, and of course all GSM SIM cards are working.

511pf said:
I need a GSM phone and will be using a TMobile or AT&T MVNO in the US.
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In addition to what That Ain't Falco!!! said..
The ATT XT1058 doesn't support HSPA/HSPA+ on AWS(1700/2100mhz). When T-Mobile first launched their HSPA/HSPA+ network that is the frequency they used. While they are working to upgrade and re-farm their 1900Mhz spectrum to HSPA/HSPA+, in areas where they haven't yet completed that, the XT1058 would only get EDGE when using it on T-Mobile
While the GSM Unlocked XT1053 is sim unlocked out of the box and bootloader unlockable, unlocking the bootloader does void the warranty. The Dev Edition XT1053 can't be customized (comes as 32gig, black face, woven white back, silver accents and says Dev Edition on the back), but unlocking the bootloader does NOT void the warranty. But in reality, the hardware "inside" is exactly the same, and they use the same roms/updates.
If you want to root, its easiest/best if you can unlock the bootloader.

Great answers, guys. Thanks a ton for taking the time. I'm definitely going to look for the XT1053.

[Q] Non XT1053 Models on T-Mobile?

Hello all,
Was thinking about trying out the Moto X. I had lurked somewhere in the general forums and thought I saw something that said that if we flashed the System ROM/Dump from something like the XT1053 to the XT1060, XT1058, etc, the phone would essentially become the XT1053 -- provided the Bootloader is unlocked, etc.
Do they all have the same radio, more-or-less, and are capable of just flashing to get it to work? I saw something about possibly getting T-Mobile to work on an "unlocked" XT1060, but issues with APN's, etc -- my goal is to not have to worry about that whatsoever -- and just use it with stock/without weird configuration (had to do this on a Sprint phone that was ported to cricket years ago -- was somewhat of a pain).
So yeah -- per the original question -- is the only difference on the phones the radio LOCKs based on Firmware -- and if I flash a XT1053 image on XT1060 phone, will that behave exactly the same as a XT1053 thereafter? (and kudos if anyone has any links so I can refer to that process later)
Thank you!

Vzn Moto X on T-Mo You should check out this thread.
I've been looking for info for a similar question. I have an xt1053 unlocked on T-Mo (very happy) but have considered getting a new phone and giving the X to my wife on Verizon through her work. I think the xt1053 can be flashed with Verizon stock rom, APN adjusted, new sim and used on their network, but can't confirm it. I think the X's have both GSM and CDMA bands available so it should be doable.

That seems to be the case, but looks like I'd need to find a 4.3 or before device to unlock the Bootloader (if I can), and then to flash a T-Mobile ROM to it to update it as necessary... Looks like an interesting option.

Groid said:
Vzn Moto X on T-Mo You should check out this thread.
I've been looking for info for a similar question. I have an xt1053 unlocked on T-Mo (very happy) but have considered getting a new phone and giving the X to my wife on Verizon through her work. I think the xt1053 can be flashed with Verizon stock rom, APN adjusted, new sim and used on their network, but can't confirm it. I think the X's have both GSM and CDMA bands available so it should be doable.
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terinfire said:
That seems to be the case, but looks like I'd need to find a 4.3 or before device to unlock the Bootloader (if I can), and then to flash a T-Mobile ROM to it to update it as necessary... Looks like an interesting option.
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Just to clear it up:
The XT1053 can NEVER be used on Verizon. Never ever. Can you flash the VZW ROM? Sure (even though it's not safe). Can you actually get it to work on VZW? Absolutely not. The XT1053 is a GSM-only phone. Verizon is a CDMA network. That's like trying to play a cassette tape in a CD player - they just aren't compatible.
Now for the reverse scenario: The Verizon moto X has BOTH GSM **AND** CDMA radios inside, which is why you CAN use the VZW variant on T-Mobile.
And finally, you CAN use a non-XT1053 (for instance, the XT1058) on T-Mobile, but you might not get LTE or HSPA+ depending on the frequencies supported by the model you are referencing. Calls/texts will most definitely work.
The individual variants DO have totally different frequency bands that are supported. You need to check the frequencies supported BEFORE you make a purchase - otherwise you may well find that calls and texts work, but you can only get 2G (EDGE) data.
Good Luck guys.

So... that being said, it looks like T-Mobile is compatible with the XT-1058 -- 1058 shares all the same LTE bands as 1053, per Wikipedia; it does lack one of the bands for 3G on T-Mobile (1700), but does have the 1900 that I believe T-Mobile was moving its 3G service to, anyhow.
Now, the real question... if I unlock the boot loader, I wonder if I could flash a similar version'd (i.e. 4.4.3 -> 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 -> 4.4.4) image over. Looks like I'm pursuing a 1058 at this point... Thoughts?

terinfire said:
So... that being said, it looks like T-Mobile is compatible with the XT-1058 -- 1058 shares all the same LTE bands as 1053, per Wikipedia; it does lack one of the bands for 3G on T-Mobile (1700), but does have the 1900 that I believe T-Mobile was moving its 3G service to, anyhow.
Now, the real question... if I unlock the boot loader, I wonder if I could flash a similar version'd (i.e. 4.4.3 -> 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 -> 4.4.4) image over. Looks like I'm pursuing a 1058 at this point... Thoughts?
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Due to the different frequencies supported, the modem/radio files vary from SBF to SBF.
In some cases, people have flashed one model GSM X with the SBF from another GSM model and it has worked, and in other cases they have lost use of the radio.
Being on Verizon, I haven't experimented with cross flashing radio/modem files, nor have I kept up with it completely to know the whats, whys, etc. and certainly can't advise what is safe and what is not.
However, there are a few things I can tell you for sure...
If you cross flash, do NOT ever downgrade. You will risk bricking your device. If you mix and match parts (radio, recovery from one ROM with a system from another), do NOT take an OTA. It will either fail or BRICK your device.
In order to flash the SBF from another model X on your X (say flash a XT1053 SBF onto an XT1058) you need to have an unlocked bootloader.
With the XT1058 in the USA, that is an ATT Device. The only way to unlock its bootloader is to hope either Sunshine works, or the Chinese Middleman has the unlock code for your phone's IMEI.
The ATT XT1058 is SIM locked, so you'll have to buy a code for that too otherwise the phone will reject the non-ATT SIM.
Due to the radio chips and antenna setup inside the X, just flashing the SBF from another model (including its modem/radio files) might not get you support of additional frequencies.
The easiest thing to do.. Buy an XT1058, unlock its bootloader, sim unlock it, and use it as-is with a T-Mobile SIM. Root it, remove any bloat you want, and block future OTA's (unless you put the bloat back). It will work for all T-Mobile bands/frequencies except 4G/HSPA+ on AWS (i.e. 1700/2100Mhz HSPA+) In those areas you'll get EDGE. However as T-Mobile completes its "Network Modernization" around the country, it is shifting HSPA+ to 1900Mhz which the ATT XT1058 supports, so in those areas you'll get HSPA+ just fine.