Hello, I have upgraded to 5.0.2. via OTA a few days ago. My phone was RetEU .23, and the update notification that 5.0.2. became so annoying, so I decided to give it a shot. Lollipop is a disappointment for me, battery drain issues, lagging all over the menus, slow dialer, the phone was running better with KK installed, so I want to return back to 4.4.4.
Unfortunately there is no clear opinion whether this could be done, some say that when you have 5.0.2. bootloader installed with the OTA, you cannot go back, others say that it is no problem to do so. Really confusing.
Anyone tried to go back to 4.4.4. after getting the OTA? Could you please share how did you do so? Unlocking the bootloader and flashing one of the 4.4.4 stock ROMs from the General Section?
dub_1 said:
Hello, I have upgraded to 5.0.2. via OTA a few days ago. My phone was RetEU .23, and the update notification that 5.0.2. became so annoying, so I decided to give it a shot. Lollipop is a disappointment for me, battery drain issues, lagging all over the menus, slow dialer, the phone was running better with KK installed, so I want to return back to 4.4.4.
Unfortunately there is no clear opinion whether this could be done, some say that when you have 5.0.2. bootloader installed with the OTA, you cannot go back, others say that it is no problem to do so. Really confusing.
Anyone tried to go back to 4.4.4. after getting the OTA? Could you please share how did you do so? Unlocking the bootloader and flashing one of the 4.4.4 stock ROMs from the General Section?
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Hello,
i actually switched from 5.0.2 back to KK 4.4.4 from Pizza_dox
when your bootloader is unlocked and you have TWRP installed
follow these instructions
1, go do a factory reset
2, go to advanced wipe and select :dalvik cache/system/data/internal storage/cache
when you did that there is no system on your phone so when you restart you will be going into an endless bootloop.
3, go press install and select the Microkat.zip file from Pizza_Dox
when that is done you have agian kitkat on your device
i think there some other methods but this is how i did it succesfully.
Also dont forget to make a backup because you will lose everything.
Gerriitw said:
Hello,
i actually switched from 5.0.2 back to KK 4.4.4 from Pizza_dox
when your bootloader is unlocked and you have TWRP installed
follow these instructions
1, go do a factory reset
2, go to advanced wipe and select :dalvik cache/system/data/internal storage/cache
when you did that there is no system on your phone so when you restart you will be going into an endless bootloop.
3, go press install and select the Microkat.zip file from Pizza_Dox
when that is done you have agian kitkat on your device
i think there some other methods but this is how i did it succesfully.
Also dont forget to make a backup because you will lose everything.
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Thanks for your comment. I actually plan to go back to the stock 4.4.4. I have a basic idea of bootloader and things but not deep into this and have never done it before. From what I have read , I will have to:
1. First I need to unlock the bootloader, as per the instructions in the Moto website.
2. Then I will need to do a factory reset. (settings-secuirity-factory reset or some other way of doing this?)
3. Download 4.4.4 firmware + script.
4. Start up with Power+VolDown buttons and have bootloader menu on screen
5. Run the downloaded script from its .bat file.
6. Wait for some time for the flashing to end, then have stock 4.4.4
Please correct me if something is wrong or missed.
dub_1 said:
Thanks for your comment. I actually plan to go back to the stock 4.4.4. I have a basic idea of bootloader and things but not deep into this and have never done it before. From what I have read , I will have to:
1. First I need to unlock the bootloader, as per the instructions in the Moto website.
2. Then I will need to do a factory reset. (settings-secuirity-factory reset or some other way of doing this?)
3. Download 4.4.4 firmware + script.
4. Start up with Power+VolDown buttons and have bootloader menu on screen
5. Run the downloaded script from its .bat file.
6. Wait for some time for the flashing to end, then have stock 4.4.4
Please correct me if something is wrong or missed.
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What i did...
Download the correct kk stock rom
Setup my drivers and mfastboot correctly (simple fast boot works too)
Unlocked bootloader. (Voids warranty coz gives bootloader status 3)
Reboot in bootloader now...
Flash all files of kitkat except gpt.bin and motoboot.bin (they never flash for me lol )
Flash all other files (i typed filenames manually)
Fastboot reboot
Ps - no matter what i do..i have not been able to lock my bootloader once i downgraded from 5.0.2 to 4.4.4
Locking bootloader works well on 5.0.2
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What i did...
Download the correct kk stock rom
Setup my drivers and mfastboot correctly (simple fast boot works too)
Unlocked bootloader. (Voids warranty coz gives bootloader status 3)
Reboot in bootloader now...
Flash all files of kitkat except gpt.bin and motoboot.bin (they never flash for me lol )
Flash all other files (i typed filenames manually)
Fastboot reboot
Ps - no matter what i do..i have not been able to lock my bootloader once i downgraded from 5.0.2 to 4.4.4
Locking bootloader works well on 5.0.2
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well guess im gonna try - but no need to do, as makes no difference except to downgrading.... So best off unlocked
simply use the 4.4.4 link in my signature and pick firmware 2 or B called DSDSALL to go back to 4.4.4 .23 ret(xx)
So, it has been confirmed by several forums that when you have officially received the 5.0.2 OTA download update, you cannot go back to KK.
It has something to do with the new L bootloader. I guess that there is no way of doing this, up to now at least. Don't know if someone has tried and succeeded.
When you have flashed the 5.0.2. OTA however, you can have KK installed back, as most of the users on xda.
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So, it has been confirmed by several forums that when you have officially received the 5.0.2 OTA download update, you cannot go back to KK. FALSE
It has something to do with the new L bootloader. I guess that there is no way of doing this, up to now at least. Don't know if someone has tried and succeeded. FALSE
When you have flashed the 5.0.2. OTA however, you can have KK installed back, as most of the users on xda.
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YES you can install kitkat see my signature you NEED a unlocked boot loader
I have been up / down and sideways with ALL 4 versions ( 3 kitkat 1 Lollipop) of XT1068 firmware 50+ installs , a few soft bricks - also installed a few custom roms - gone back to lollipop and kitkat from these too.
see my signature for 4.4.4 and 5.0.2 firmware xt1068
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YES you can install kitkat see my signature you NEED a unlocked boot loader
I have been up / down and sideways with ALL 4 versions ( 3 kitkat 1 Lollipop) of XT1068 firmware 50+ installs , a few soft bricks - also installed a few custom roms - gone back to lollipop and kitkat from these too.
see my signature for 4.4.4 and 5.0.2 firmware xt1068
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Cheers mate. Already installed stock 4.4.4.
Does it make sense to relock the bootloader?
dub_1 said:
Cheers mate. Already installed stock 4.4.4.
Does it make sense to relock the bootloader?
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no absolutely not....... boot logo warning still comes up ...warranty still void and strangely if been to 5.0.2 and back to 4.4.4 it wont relock
but you can relock if on 5.0.2
Successful downgrade from 5.0.2 to 4.4.4
Dear All,
Pls help me in downgrading from 5.0.2 to 4.4.4 on my XT1068 Dual Sim Indian Version.
I need to know whether we can return to 4.4.4 without unlocking bootloader and is rooting needed.
Pls let me know your experience in a noob friendly way.
TIA... :angel:
dub_1 said:
Cheers mate. Already installed stock 4.4.4.
Does it make sense to relock the bootloader?
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What exactly did you do? His signature is gone...
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i recently bought a bell xperia z1, went on to the sony website to unlock bootloader to find that mine is locked, unlike the international version which has an unlockable bootloader.
ive updated it to see if the updates would unlock the bootloader but alas they did not, now im running :
model c6906
android 4.3
build 14.2.A.0.209
Main question :
Will i be able to downgrade and bypass the bootloader?
ive rooted a S2/Htc HD/ Desire Z in the past im just worrying about bricking my phone that ive had for less then a week.
and all other guides ive seen are for different versions, ive heard of flashing the 6903 stuff but that makes me worry way to much.
so pretty much want to know is it possible to do via downgrade to achieve root or should i just wait till a safer method becomes available.
sony bloatware is annoying
Yes, you can get C6906 Rooted with Locked Bootlader. First you have Read a bit more about it, starting with this thread and also watch the Video Tutorial.
You have to use Flashtool v0.9.15 to downgrade to .534 using Rogers FTF for your model from here.
When you are on 4.2.2 FW .534 Root it with Bin4ry Method, then Install Dualrecovery, SuperSU and Upgrade to your favorite latest Android Pre-Rooted, like KitKat Here or JB 4.3 Here.
Done.
Good Luck!
you sir are the man, followed the video and got root, now to find a rom to use.
edit : went to install a rom + gapps and had to do the whole process over again. right from flashing nuts custom. got stuck in a sony logo boot loop. zz
so attempt #2 with a different rom.
edit 2: was able to update to 4.4 kitkat so now i hope i can update my rom. since i was trying to do a 4.4 rom on the 4.3 firmware ?
edit3: nope stuck on sony logo so went back to nuts again... hrmm well atleast i could upate to 4.4 going to try boot to cwm and see if that works
Before I flashed mine I was reading for weeks, You did in few hours and I think to quickly. If the phone stuck in Boot logo, I think you did something wrong but I don't have the phone with me so I cannot tell.
Now you have to go back to stock, keep pushing Volume UP and Power, 3 vibrations, phone in off, keep pushing volume down and connect to pc in flashmode, flash a Stock FTF for your model from the link I give you. Now you phone should boot. Repeat the process to get Root and be careful.
Remember to Wipe Data, Appslog, Cache, every time you flash a Fresh Installation is recommended.
eclyptos said:
keep pushing volume down and connect to pc in flashmode, flash a Stock FTF for your model from the link I give you. .
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You should not connect the phone to the PC until the PC prompts you after flashtool has prepared the files for flashing
sorvis said:
since i was trying to do a 4.4 rom on the 4.3 firmware ?
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4.4 will need a 4.4 kernel.
gregbradley said:
You should not connect the phone to the PC until the PC prompts you after flashtool has prepared the files for flashing
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Ok, that is why I saw in Flashtool Disconnect and Connect my device few times but never had a problem. Good to know.
i was able to go back and use flash tool to flash nut's ftf
so im on 4.4 kitkat rooted which is good.
but when i flash any custom rom trough any recovery it boot loops im guessing its because locked bootloader.
so im guessing any rom i want to flash has to have 2 parts. The flashing process in recovery and the flashtool flash firmware for that rom.
unless like you said update my kernal
My bootloader is currently unlocked and I want to relock it. I have an XT1064. I've tried downgrading to 21.11.17 and following the instructions for KitKat but it never works. What can I do?
Unfortunately I have yet been successful doing this. I think it's because some parts of the firmware can't be downgraded. I keep getting pre flash failure
i did just for kicks... and was successful on XT1069.
from what I understand when this problem happens, is related to the ROM you used to do the process that is described in this thread follow these step with a ROM that is perfect and will succeed.
I did with the good xml ROM for my device and it was perfect.
try other ROM xml file... all i now here
One thing, to receive an OTA is not need to be with bootloader locked...
But you must have a untouched original ROM and Recovery installed on the device...
So no root original ROM and recovery just that.
I say this because many worry that is need to have a locked bootloader to receive OTA, and is not.
Have you tried locking after being on 5.0 firmware
I don't remember (i think was 4.4.4 to 4.4.4)... but i will try (5.0.2 to 4.4.4 and lock it) and report. OK, maybe today if not tomorrow...
In theory is the same friend of my did form 5.0.0 to 4.4.4 no problem...
baybutcher27 said:
I don't remember (i think was 4.4.4 to 4.4.4)... but i will try (5.0.2 to 4.4.4 and lock it) and report. OK, maybe today if not tomorrow...
In theory is the same friend of my did form 5.0.0 to 4.4.4 no problem...
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Pretty sure you can only relock 4.4.4 bootloaders (motoboot.img) with the oem lock
If you have updated to a lollipop 5.0.x bootloader you cant downgrade from a 5.0 boot loader and hence cant relock it (yet?)
reefuge said:
Pretty sure you can only relock 4.4.4 bootloaders (motoboot.img) with the oem lock
If you have updated to a lollipop 5.0.x bootloader you cant downgrade and hence cant relock it (yet?)
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You can downgrade if use a ROM or a backup to update. the bootloader will remaining the same.
I dont know if you update via OTA to L if the OTA is updating the boot loader...
But yes you can downgrade from 5.0.x to 4.4.4 regards the bootloader if did not update don't see way will not re-lock, if update the OS and bootloader maybe because will not recognize the OS and ROM even if it is all original, but i think it should...
I will tested and report... downgrade and re-lock the bootloader... But my bootloader is the same version it did not update because i use a ROM or a TWRP backup do upgrade to L.
I will update the ROM i using do a clean flash, before i will try the downgrade and re-lock process. :good:
baybutcher27 said:
You can downgrade if use a ROM or a backup to update. the bootloader will remaining the same.
I dont know if you update via OTA to L if the OTA is updating the boot loader...
But yes you can downgrade from 5.0.x to 4.4.4 regards the bootloader if did not update don't see way will not re-lock, if update the OS and bootloader maybe because will not recognize the OS and ROM even if it is all original, but i think it should...
I will tested and report... downgrade and re-lock the bootloader... But my bootloader is the same version it did not update because i use a ROM or a TWRP backup do upgrade to L.
I will update the ROM i using do a clean flash, before i will try the downgrade and re-lock process. :good:
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yeah i'm talking bootloader I know you can go up or down between 4.4.4 roms and 5.0 roms , i've tried mfastboot, fastboot (different versions) as people say 'only this version works' and so far not found anything that works
Ever since I upgraded to 5.0 then downgraded 4.4.4 I can not lock the boot loader. I don't think anyone will be able to until there is 5.0 firmware
Good Morning all,
When I first time received my Nexus 6, unlocked the bootloader and Rooted with the app for windows Nexus Root Toolkit by Wugfresh, I did not change it to any custom recovery, I left it on stock the rom and I did not install any custom recovery as well., everything is on stock, I just I rooted it.
I've read a lot of things about partitions, downgrades, even OEM Locks and OEM Unlock Bootloaders and people have bricked many devices that I'm afraid to brick it, I'm confused know what steps to follow in order to properly update from lollipop 5.01 to 5.1
I'm on Android 5.01 and received the OTA to update to 5.1, but afraid to press the button in my nexus 6 where it says System Update Available
Should I continue to update with the OTA that I received even if I'm rooted? or should I do it manually with the Nexus Root Toolkit?
What do I need exactly to check / verify before I try to update my device and not brick it?
Please advise
rayosx said:
Good Morning all,
When I first time received my Nexus 6, unlocked the bootloader and Rooted with the app for windows Nexus Root Toolkit by Wugfresh, I did not change it to any custom recovery, I left it on stock the rom and I did not install any custom recovery as well., everything is on stock, I just I rooted it.
I've read a lot of things about partitions, downgrades, even OEM Locks and OEM Unlock Bootloaders and people have bricked many devices that I'm afraid to brick it, I'm confused know what steps to follow in order to properly update from lollipop 5.01 to 5.1
I'm on Android 5.01 and received the OTA to update to 5.1, but afraid to press the button in my nexus 6 where it says System Update Available
Should I continue to update with the OTA that I received even if I'm rooted? or should I do it manually with the Nexus Root Toolkit?
What do I need exactly to check / verify before I try to update my device and not brick it?
Please advise
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Do not re-lock the bootloader, do not try to downgrade the bootloader. Do not Flash CM12 from the 3/13/2015(not available to download anyways). You should be ok.
If you have stock recovery, sounds like you can flash the OTA...but that is up to you.
Can you describer your system. You said it is STOCK rooted. Did you unlock bootloader? Never flashed anything before?
idtheftvictim said:
Do not re-lock the bootloader, do not try to downgrade the bootloader. Do not Flash CM12 from the 3/13/2015(not available to download anyways). You should be ok.
If you have stock recovery, sounds like you can flash the OTA...but that is up to you.
Can you describer your system. You said it is STOCK rooted. Did you unlock bootloader? Never flashed anything before?
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Thanks on helping me out,
I'm attaching two shots so you can see all what I have, I have never flashed a custom ROM, just rooted using the wugfresh app for windows,
Also I have in developer options usb debug on and unlocked oem with a check mark.
Again, if you check everything above, I'm on 5.01 and I don't know if just pressing OTA system update button to update from the phone shall brick my phone whether I am rooted, or do I have to be with no root to proceed from there?
Please advice
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
rayosx said:
Thanks on helping me out,
I'm attaching two shots so you can see all what I have, I have never flashed a custom ROM, just rooted using the wugfresh app for windows,
Also I have in developer options usb debug on and unlocked oem with a check mark.
Again, if you check everything above, I'm on 5.01 and I don't know if just pressing OTA system update button to update from the phone shall brick my phone whether I am rooted, or do I have to be with no root to proceed from there?
Please advice
Sent from my Nexus 6 using XDA Free mobile app
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Looks like you should be fine to install the OTA with no worries.
Please note: I in NO WAY take responsibility for anything that happens to your phone though....sorry...have to put disclaimer
idtheftvictim said:
Looks like you should be fine to install the OTA with no worries.
Please note: I in NO WAY take responsibility for anything that happens to your phone though....sorry...have to put disclaimer
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Lucky me that I did not press the button to do it through OTA, read below
Can I still take an OTA after I unlock and root?
Answer: On Lollipop, No. On KitKat, yes (sometimes) – if you haven’t made any other system level modifications.
With Lollipop, the OTA update process checks the entire system blob. That means if just one small thing is different about the system partition the OTA will fail. Since rooting itself (regardless of the method: manual/toolkit) installs Superuser as a system app and su binaries to the system partition it inherently breaks OTA’s.
So how should you update a rooted Lollipop device?
1. Wait for the official factory package from google to be released for the build you would like to update to.
2. Backup your apps + data, as a safe measure – in case you end up having to wipe data.
3. Use “Flash Stock + Unroot” and check “No-wipe mode” (to avoid a data wipe).
That’s it. Afterwards you can re-root.
I've been running LP 5.1.1 using a custom rom but I've been getting tired of the instability of the roms I've tried. I'm wanting to go back to stock KK, am I able to? If so, how? I have a XT1053 and running XenonHD rom. Thanks!
First, start your phone into the Fastboot AP/Bootloader mode...
Unplug phone
Power down phone.
Hold Volume Down and Power
After a few seconds release Power, you should be in Fastboot AP menu on phone.
Take note of the Bootloader version on the 2nd Line. If its 30.B7, then you are fine to just flash the Stock 4.4.4 SBF for the XT1053. To do this, you can use the Requirements and Option 5 listed in the 2nd post of -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/faq-how-to-prepare-ota-update-carriers-t3126425
If your bootloader is NOT 30.B7, then see -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/info-warning-risks-downgrading-impacts-t3058202 before doing any flashing.
My bootloader seems to be 30.B4, is that still safe to use? From what I can tell it's 4.4.2 bootloader.
bloodletting284 said:
My bootloader seems to be 30.B4, is that still safe to use? From what I can tell it's 4.4.2 bootloader.
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You can always flash NEWER.... so if your bootloader is 30.B4 or 4.4.2, you are perfectly fine flashing 4.4.4 over top.
You just don't want to flash OLDER..
NOTE: Your situation is slightly different than someone running a STOCK 5.x rom. Because you are running a Custom rom that didn't touch your bootloader and other parts, you can flash back to the stock 4.4.4 ROM. If you had installed a full Stock 5.x ROM (like the leaked test versions), it would be a different matter because your bootloader, partition table, trusted zone, and other parts would have been updated too, and would cause issue if you try to downgrade them.
Can anyone pls tel how do i downgrade from marshmallow 6.0.1 to lollipop 5.0.2?
Currently my bootloader version is 48.83. I dnt remember what it was on lollipop. Pls help!
Just use your backup that you made prior to upgrading to Marshmallow. If you don't have the backup, just flash a different ROM. Plenty of guides on the site.
spetrie said:
Just use your backup that you made prior to upgrading to Marshmallow. If you don't have the backup, just flash a different ROM. Plenty of guides on the site.
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I have made the backup. But i have heard about many people hard bricking the phone when trying to downgrade and then again upgrading via ota. Thats why i askd.
If u are on custom rom other than motorola marshmallow soak test ota.. you will not get ur phone bricked when downgrading. Hard brick occurs if u downgrad from soak test ota to lollipop. In your case u just need to flash retaildsdsall firmware via fastboot mood. Search for tutorials for reverting to stoc 5.0.2.
Just DON'T CHANGE BOOTLOADER. You shouldn't be able to downgrade bootloaders but Motorola screwed that and with M bootloader you "can" downgrade, but bootloader downgrade results in BRICK. Just flash the rom you want, EXCEPT THE BOOTLOADER. For custom roms you shouldn't have problems.
gauravrai said:
If u are on custom rom other than motorola marshmallow soak test ota.. you will not get ur phone bricked when downgrading. Hard brick occurs if u downgrad from soak test ota to lollipop. In your case u just need to flash retaildsdsall firmware via fastboot mood. Search for tutorials for reverting to stoc 5.0.2.
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I have made a nandroid backup. Currently m on nexus experience rom. One of my friend was in resurrection remix (marshmallow) he faced some bugs so he came back to lollipop. It worked fine for him. But when he tried to flash the soak test ota, he hard bricked his phone... Why did that happen??
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Just DON'T CHANGE BOOTLOADER. You shouldn't be able to downgrade bootloaders but Motorola screwed that and with M bootloader you "can" downgrade, but bootloader downgrade results in BRICK. Just flash the rom you want, EXCEPT THE BOOTLOADER. For custom roms you shouldn't have problems.
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Currently my bootloader versuon is 48.83
What is the version on lollipop? Bootloader dsnt change on flashing roms ryt?
sumedhs said:
I have made the backup. But i have heard about many people hard bricking the phone when trying to downgrade and then again upgrading via ota. Thats why i askd.
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All I can say is that I was on Nexus Experience 10.0.4 (Marshmallow) but could not get adopted storage to work so restored my previous AOSP lollipop ROM from TWRP backup and no issues. My Bootloader is 48.82. I have never used the soak test version or OTA version of marshmallow.
I have also in the past restored stock lollipop V5.0.2 from other lollipop versions with no issues.
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Just DON'T CHANGE BOOTLOADER. You shouldn't be able to downgrade bootloaders but Motorola screwed that and with M bootloader you "can" downgrade, but bootloader downgrade results in BRICK. Just flash the rom you want, EXCEPT THE BOOTLOADER. For custom roms you shouldn't have problems.
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which files or command to skip in this process
if u use L ROM then this one is the latest or last update of L ROM and i have used many days.........and its good.....its CM based LINK or If u like a pure Stock L ROM with Optimized then here it goes LINK
ezio1723 said:
which files or command to skip in this process
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Same question here as well. Which command flashes the bootloader, so that I can skip them
rebzin said:
Same question here as well. Which command flashes the bootloader, so that I can skip them
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you can use easyinstaller file it will automatically flashes the files
My bootloader is 0×4887 I am running a stock mm and I wud like to downgrade to lollipop to use the stellar kernel way shud I do...???pls help
Just a noobie....
Sry if tat was bad English..!!
Just don't downgrade your Bootloader and you should be fine, if you're using an easyinstaller script to flash stock Lollipop make sure and remove the lines of code that flash motoboot.img & I'd also recommend removing the line that flashes gpt.bin to be safe.