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Thought about this and wanted to ask. If folks feel this is not appropriate then feel free to say so in a kindly manner and we can have the thread removed. Please do not respond to just bash or make offensive comments.
I'm in the technical field and there have been more women joining in. Curios as to how many ladies out there that are flashing their phones?
This is not public and shouldnt show anyone who they are. I will only post after 5 days the results.
i believe the majority of members on this board are men... however, alot more women are starting to surface and are eager to flash and help out... maybe the female members can help smack down the god complex some of our male members seem to have
I Am Woman -- Hear Me Roar!!!
LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
This is fantastic. Glad you posted Newbie2. Wish other ladies here would follow suit. Like to see the ladies win this cause the men are slacking by just veiwing and not posting.
Thanks for voting Newbie2...
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LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Totally agree with you, I am also a female and now reading hard on this forum to make my first cook rom for my lovely hermes
??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.
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??? 3 female posters. only 2 women in the poll total so far.
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Is it really that surprising? Male geeks seem to be vast majority....
I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
ROFL
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. . . probably 'cause we're too busy tweaking our phones (and picking up after the MEN) to care how we look. LMAO!!!
Going have to disagree here. I've been in meetings and worked closely along side with several women that were very attractive. I work at the photonic layer and some of these women are truly geeks. (Never judge a book by its cover)
I forgot to mention the rules, lowest number wins
There have been 438 views on this thread thus far. Tells you who all is just browsing and willing to participate
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I've never seen a good looking woman that is geak (technique interested)..so...now im wondering..
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3 women?? What the hell?? Men rule! We're the elite!! Ha!
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LOL!! Yes, I'm a FEMALE geek and proud of it. Some of you already knew that, though (like Shogunmark, meschle, Dr. P. and vijay -- among others)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- I've flashed my Wizard with more ROMS than Quaker's got oats. For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
I used to just build desktop systems for myself, my family and friends, but then I got my Wizard and found this forum and I've become an INCURABLE addict. I just HAVE to have the newest ROM that hits the forums.
I don't think you'll find any of my posts asking about how to do something because I don't want to look like a "dumb female". Rather, I spend a LOT of time reading and learning so I know how to fix something ahead of time.
Now, I'm do a lot of reading on programming languages and coding. Sometimes, I think I'm in over my head with it, though. But, the only way to learn is to read and by "hands on" experience. So, I'll wait til the Kaiser comes out to buy it and start applying some of the stuff I'm learning to the Wizard when it won't matter if I muck it up. . .
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Fair play!
Girls geeks have their non-physical sexiness. I like girls with BIG phones (e.g. HTC series, SonyE P900 series, etc) makes looks more sophisticated rather than just face and dress. And girls talking Linux and programmings are sexy in a way.. probably it makes them looks smarter I like smart girls.
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The only thing I wonder about is why some women want things that men have just because men have them. That was the old 60s/70s feminism - we want what men have. Since then the movement grew up and now in the main it is more about women going for the things they want, whether or not these are things men do or want.
So I worry about your statement :
"For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better."
Who gives a sh** about whether a man can do it or not, it's whether you want to do it or not that matters.
As a famous feminist Germain Greer once said "comparing ourselves to men serves only to demean us and make us look weak, as if we looked up to men and strive to be as good as they are. More to the point is whether we can achieve the things we want to achieve without reference to men at all"
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I remember the "power struggle" of the Women's Movement back in the late 60's and early 70's, since I was just graduating High School at that time. So, some of that propaganda has stayed with me over the years. But I'm afraid the old adage of "A woman has to work twice as hard to achieve twice as much to be considered half as good as a man" is still the norm in the business world, unfortunately. And you still hear the assinine gossip about any woman that actually WORKS her way to the top SLEPT her way to the top. While women have made great strides in the business community in the past 30 years, it's still considered a "man's world" out there.
But to put your anxiety about my statement to rest -- I do it to prove to MYSELF that I can do it -- because I WANT to do it. And I actually was echoing the "brand" put on me by some of my co-workers about being a "female geek". A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female. It's like I've contracted some type of communicable disease. But when THEY have problems, guess who they come to?? LOL!!
I'm an independent spirit and actually my worst fear is ever having to depend on ANYONE for anything. So, I've learned to learn to do for myself. And -- at the end of the day -- I can honestly say I've done all I can do and feel good about what I accomplished. . .
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A geek is a geek is a geek -- doesn't matter whether they're maile or female.
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That is somewhat not true, sex does play a part in certain (not all) things/situations. Take Lara Croft, of Tomb Raider, for example, I don't think the game itself will be a hit if you have a muscle guys doing all those little moves "Action girls" are still currently not a norm yet, and hence made them unique, so does girl-geeks. Guy-geeks are usually marked as 'geek', while girl-geeks may be marked as 'intelligent'. Same goes with a guy on certain subject, girl-cooks are 'nice', while guy-cooks are sexy. Guy-presidents are.. *yawn*.. girl-presidents are WOW.
And I remember this from a movie..
Men with grey hairs are sexy, women with grey hairs are just old.
Women with breasts are sexy, men with breasts are ....
ps: Hanmin's law.. nice Lets tag the geeks
women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really
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women are the backbone of the world
men have highly easy to mutate y cromosoms
and a stable x cromosom
women have 2 x so if 1 is bad they got the other
evolution is in mutation which is the Y cromosom so this is where we adapt
so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6547675.stm
would be bad for human kind
less small mutation to adapt our spieces
men are in general more extreme then females
their IQ curse is more flat meaning they are more present in the
extreme high iq and also in the extreme low iq
both places extremes where people dont
prosper
being in the middle where most women reside is
the backbone of the world really
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i bet that makes a great pick up line.. lol
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@rudegar
Mmm. well since women aren't the backbone here at XDA-Dev, then by your case that must be because XDA-Dev is at one of the male extremes. Either very low or very high IQ. Maybe we should let newbie2 decide the answer!
Mike
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Let's just say I've seen both ends of the spectrum on here and leave it at that.
And -- just so you don't think I spend ALL my time on here and don't do anything else, at the present I'm multi-tasking. . . have a chicken in the smoker for supper, doing laundry, AND setting up my new GPS software.
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For me, it's a POWER issue that I can do anything a MAN can do -- and just as well, if not better.
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What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.
cr2 said:
What about flashing Linux on your phone ? AFAIK no man has done it yet
PS. Hm, wizard may be a tough choice for linux.
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Maybe there is a missing (harware) link, like the SonyE P900 phone??
Hello, I am new to this forum so I suppose I will give a brief bio. I earned an Associates Degree in Computer Science from the Community College of the Air Force while serving on Active Duty as a "Computer Programmer" from 2004 to 2010. Most of my duties on the job involved website development, server side scripting and databases. I started learning network engineering and security in the past 3 or 4 years. I'm familiar with being a go-to for fixing an unrelated FUBAR project from a random language where you have to just google the syntax and methods until you get the results your boss asked for. I've also dabbled in .NET and so on.
Anyway, it is safe to say I know enough to be dangerous or better with everything from legacy assembly code to the trends of today while I have no clear specialty of expertise at this point. I am going to use the Post 9/11 Montgomery GI Bill to go back to college. I should know what I want to do by now but it is a unique opportunity where I may as well do any one thing as another. I like to avoid personal conversations and keep it about the development on forums. I got a nook color 1.01 and came here for some tips on rooting it, now here we are. I am interested to know what particular needs there may be for an intermediate developer that has no strict preference with where I begin just as long as I don't need very expensive new hardware, unless I wanted it anyway.
So, hello and nice to meet you. I look forward to finding a way to contribute.
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Hello, I am new to this forum so I suppose I will give a brief bio. I earned an Associates Degree in Computer Science from the Community College of the Air Force while serving on Active Duty as a "Computer Programmer" from 2004 to 2010. Most of my duties on the job involved website development, server side scripting and databases. I started learning network engineering and security in the past 3 or 4 years. I'm familiar with being a go-to for fixing an unrelated FUBAR project from a random language where you have to just google the syntax and methods until you get the results your boss asked for. I've also dabbled in .NET and so on.
Anyway, it is safe to say I know enough to be dangerous or better with everything from legacy assembly code to the trends of today while I have no clear specialty of expertise at this point. I am going to use the Post 9/11 Montgomery GI Bill to go back to college. I should know what I want to do by now but it is a unique opportunity where I may as well do any one thing as another. I like to avoid personal conversations and keep it about the development on forums. I got a nook color 1.01 and came here for some tips on rooting it, now here we are. I am interested to know what particular needs there may be for an intermediate developer that has no strict preference with where I begin just as long as I don't need very expensive new hardware, unless I wanted it anyway.
So, hello and nice to meet you. I look forward to finding a way to contribute.
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You can start from building yourself a most powerful i7 (Ubuntu, or whatever your flavor) Linux box your $500 can buy. Generate the tool chain(s) for emulator/TI OMAP36xx SDK. Pull every piece of code published by TI for OMAP 36xx. Study all the free Android/Java/JS development books you can find, subscribe to all Android development forums and to GoogleGroups of the topics and irc channels.
Then, start building the 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.36 kernels for Android 3.x.
XDA Devs is not exactly the place where the Gurus of Android development explain and do tutelage for newbies, it's the place where they show their results. Read in my blog http://fineoils.blogspot.com about developments for NC and other tablets in condensed form, plus about stuff that is usually of no big interest here. Start from approx. Feb. 2010, this will take some time, lol.
Thank you for the outstanding advice. I have an Ubuntu machine on a first gen Phenom quad core which was starting to collect dust that would be perfect. When I get setup I need to find out what some good starter projects would be. I bet that someone here has a need that has been overlooked because the pros are busy on larger projects and I could take a stab at it. Any ideas?
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You can start from building yourself a most powerful i7 (Ubuntu, or whatever your flavor) Linux box your $500 can buy. Generate the tool chain(s) for emulator/TI OMAP36xx SDK. Pull every piece of code published by TI for OMAP 36xx. Study all the free Android/Java/JS development books you can find, subscribe to all Android development forums and to GoogleGroups of the topics and irc channels.
Then, start building the 2.6.32, 2.6.35, 2.6.36 kernels for Android 3.x.
XDA Devs is not exactly the place where the Gurus of Android development explain and do tutelage for newbies, it's the place where they show their results. Read in my blog Can't Quote Links Yet about developments for NC and other tablets in condensed form, plus about stuff that is usually of no big interest here. Start from approx. Feb. 2010, this will take some time, lol.
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Welcome! I'm new to Android, so I can't help with anything too deep just yet (used linux exclusively for 7-8 years, so I'm catching on lol), but I can give you a list of a few common issues that people are having that I haven't really seen solved yet.
1. Touchscreen bugs out sometimes, requiring a quick trip to standby and back to fix. Happens to me regardless if I'm OCed or not.
2. System seems to randomly shut off and/or reboot for many. Has happened to me a handful of times, almost always when doing something cpu intensive, like launching Winamp or opening too many DolphinHD tabs.
3. Wifi for many people seems really flaky. Mine works fine 99% of the time.
4. Youtube doesn't like when you log in, requires a cache wipe to relaunch.
5. Screen sensitivity gets weird near the edges. There is an adb method to force a blind recalibration, but seems to have widely varying results.
6. Pull up menus on many apps ends up with white on white text making it unreadable.
I have no idea if any of those are relevant to you or if anyone else is already working on them or not. Hell, some might already be fixed in Froyo or even Eclair. Those are just a few things I see many posts about. I should mention that I'm on 1.0.1 rooted with no other tweaks. I also have a horrid case of strep throat and have been quarantined in my room alone on heavy meds for a few days, so I could be way off or babbling. Anyways, welcome to the forums and sorry for typing so much. I know I'm not nearly the novelist that that blog pimpin dude is. ;P
This is all good information and I appreciate the reply. I hope you get well soon. Strep throat and strep meds are no joke and you are extremely lucid all things considered, so don't worry one bit about that. You are running the same system that I have so please feel free to keep in touch with me about any issues, and I will let you know if I find a fix.
If you have some spare time I'd like to ask you some questions about using Linux for an exclusive PC; I keep juggling it with Windows rather than taking the time to find a fix for common petty problems like running Netflix. Right now my lazy fix for that is virtualboxing Windows.
Thanks again and feel better!
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Welcome! I'm new to Android, so I can't help with anything too deep just yet (used linux exclusively for 7-8 years, so I'm catching on lol), but I can give you a list of a few common issues that people are having that I haven't really seen solved yet.
1. Touchscreen bugs out sometimes, requiring a quick trip to standby and back to fix. Happens to me regardless if I'm OCed or not.
2. System seems to randomly shut off and/or reboot for many. Has happened to me a handful of times, almost always when doing something cpu intensive, like launching Winamp or opening too many DolphinHD tabs.
3. Wifi for many people seems really flaky. Mine works fine 99% of the time.
4. Youtube doesn't like when you log in, requires a cache wipe to relaunch.
5. Screen sensitivity gets weird near the edges. There is an adb method to force a blind recalibration, but seems to have widely varying results.
6. Pull up menus on many apps ends up with white on white text making it unreadable.
I have no idea if any of those are relevant to you or if anyone else is already working on them or not. Hell, some might already be fixed in Froyo or even Eclair. Those are just a few things I see many posts about. I should mention that I'm on 1.0.1 rooted with no other tweaks. I also have a horrid case of strep throat and have been quarantined in my room alone on heavy meds for a few days, so I could be way off or babbling. Anyways, welcome to the forums and sorry for typing so much. I know I'm not nearly the novelist that that blog pimpin dude is. ;P
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First off let me say this isnt my style, I am not one for airing anyones business. I wanted to keep the matter private and handle it behind the scenes so that this small issue didnt turn in to an all out war. As you can see this is exactly what happened.
I am only doing this because i want to clear the air for everyone involved, you all got worked up over nothing really. I will give you a very brief explanation of what happened, and i will not name any names.
With that being said, i first want to make an apology to the 2 devs involved:
Bananacakes, i think that i might not have stated my case very well with you, and based on your posts i feel that there might have been a language barrier and you may have taken what i said out of context. All i ever wanted was for you to talk to me about the issue so i could get your side of the story and make a determination.
WildChild, im sorry that i did not delete BC's rant with everyone elses. I didnt mean to make you look like an a$$. I wanted to give BC a voice on the matter but i didnt want to censor him completely. And in hindsight i may have damaged your name. Was not my intention, and i feel bad that it happened.
In this open community it is acceptable to share and borrow from others but its common courtesy to give the other dev credit for their work.
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A brief summary of what happened:
A MEMBER of the community (not one of the devs involved) brought to me an issue of similarities between 2 dev's. provided some screen shots and asked me to investigate the matter, as it APPEARED to be a Kanging issue (to get the story straight, it was MORE than just a so called script). So i contacted both devs involved, one was very cooperative and the other never contacted me. I waited 5 days before i took the next step at contacting the dev and this is where it all turned really ugly and public.
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Now, in this issue there has been numerous attacks on each others and some very ugly things said. Im willing to overlook all of those at this moment as i know a lot of you were upset. Loosing 2 dev's is a serious matter when we dont have that many to begin with. If i see anymore angry posts towards one another i will not hesitate to issue temporary/permanent bans (depending on severity).
Now quick, everyone, group hug!
I am going to leave it open for in case anyone wants to comment or beg either dev to come back. But the instant that someone gets negative toward either dev (i dont care if you talk bad about me, lol) i will lock this from comments.
I had this as a sticky, but in reality there isnt much going on in here right now, so really there is no need. I will only sticky if it starts to fall towards the bottom.
Please come back WC , WE MISS YOU
Was there wrong doing? Is the HoliRaider thread coming back?
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Was there wrong doing? Is the HoliRaider thread coming back?
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Nothing has been proved at this point. And the HoliRaider thread is being looked at by pstevep.
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Was there wrong doing? Is the HoliRaider thread coming back?
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I am waiting to talk to bananacakes before any decisions are made. I'm hoping we can work all of this out in a friendly non confrontational way.
I will post here any updates.
Thanks everyone for cooperating.
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Everyone needs to just take it easy and not take things too serious. We should just stay focused on the prize, which is producing the best ROMs this phone has ever seen. All that arguing doesn’t get us closer to our goals, but hinders it. So Bananacakes and WC, just chill out and come back, your both good developers. After everyone is back to work and producing again, all this will be forgotten. Especially with ICS just around the corner, we'll need you even more.
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Everyone needs to just take it easy and not take things too serious. We should just stay focused on the prize, which is producing the best ROMs this phone has ever seen. All that arguing doesn’t get us closer to our goals, but hinders it. So Bananacakes and WC, just chill out and come back, your both good developers. After everyone is back to work and producing again, all this will be forgotten. Especially with ICS just around the corner, we'll need you even more.
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So... The only 2 devs that we had left.. are gone?
Language barrier? Is one of y'alls native language something other than English?
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So... The only 2 devs that we had left.. are gone?
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I havent seen any comments through this whole ordeal from Vhjc or PirateGhost, so i would assume they are still with us. As far as i know its just WildChild and BananaCakes that have decided to leave us. We do hope that they will reverse their decision and decide to come back.
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Language barrier? Is one of y'alls native language something other than English?
Sent from my HTC Vivid
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yes, and Bananacakes has stated on a few occasions that his english isnt that great. I personally felt that it was pretty good, but there was definitely some misunderstandings along the way. So i can only assume that it was a language barrier.
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I havent seen any comments through this whole ordeal from Vhjc or PirateGhost, so i would assume they are still with us. As far as i know its just WildChild and BananaCakes that have decided to leave us. We do hope that they will reverse their decision and decide to come back.
yes, and Bananacakes has stated on a few occasions that his english isnt that great. I personally felt that it was pretty good, but there was definitely some misunderstandings along the way. So i can only assume that it was a language barrier.
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Only Bananacakes and Wild Child were constantly updating their roms though... that's what I meant
I have been edited because i cant follow directions.
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If i see anymore angry posts towards one another i will not hesitate to issue temporary/permanent bans (depending on severity).
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So the mods are devs?!?
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So the mods are devs?!?
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I am the only mod involved with this. But to answer your question, no i am not currently a dev.
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Everyone needs to just take it easy and not take things too serious. We should just stay focused on the prize, which is producing the best ROMs this phone has ever seen. All that arguing doesn’t get us closer to our goals, but hinders it. So Bananacakes and WC, just chill out and come back, your both good developers. After everyone is back to work and producing again, all this will be forgotten. Especially with ICS just around the corner, we'll need you even more.
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For real... finally, a voice of reason. I mean, common sense. Okay so everyone has something to be bitter about. But how will that get anyone anywhere?
Walking away from a problem is NEVER the solution. At least Pirate and vhjc are still here, or so it seems.
I have had chat's with both guys at on point or another & in jest I probably started this, or some of it anyways.
However, the way I see it is that Android is a Linux fork complete with GPL requirements & in reality it is virtually impossible to Kang anything that is linux or Android related, aside from user side code.
Development at this stage is in it's infancy for the Vivid & Raider due to the lack of sources as well as the lack of developer involvement.
Android is all in all an open source project created with the intent of giving end users more fredom & choices. It is also a fairly easy platform to learn & develop for & on.
Kernels built are based partly on code from Google & sometimes the oem as well. Modifying a Kernel is a fun & sometimes brings us positive changes that improve our devices. How about the addition of the Bravia Engine & XLoud? Cool, right? But nobody thanks Sony in their posts. The whole point of opensource projects & a GPL is that we are supposed to work together to improve devices for ourselves & for end-users. We are supposed to share & collaberate in an effort to streamline our builds, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.
Yes, it's nice to see your name & be recognized for accomplishments, but that should be secondary, if an issue at all, to development. Let's be honest, most everyone cooking roms is "kanging" (for lack of a more accurate word) code from device chef's that have worked devices released before the Vivid, like the Sensation. We are all definitely "kanging' code from LG, Sony, HTC & Samsung.
Many of the Chef's/Cook's or whatever you want to call them, wouldn't even have an idea without work spanning back over a decade when XDA was truly a developer community forum. Look at all the work BuzzLightYear & itsme did & published for the betterment of the community. It's a different time now & instead of power users & developers being the owners of smartphones, now everyone that has a mobile pretty much has a "Smartphone".
Many of you don't even know that I cook roms. I don't publish them though, aside from a close friend or two, because of all this contention about what belongs to whom. Frankly, unless it is a program, more than likely the work has been done or modified somewhere in some forum on this planet. Unless you are truly rewriting a driver or an application, most everything else is part of the GPL & considered opensource.
I like Bananacakes rom. I like the graphics because the higher contrast makes it easier for me to read. I also like WildChild, bot the stability of his roms & him personally. We talk & razz each other at least once a week. I take both of their roms & mesh then into something I use for a daily driver. I use a modded version of the Rezound Incredikernel for my kernel & scripts from a dozen people. I will never publish it. I don't want to hear how I stole this or that, half of which was really stollen from the oem developer anyway, so I refuse to put myself thru that.
Most threads recognize people that have contributed & so many people contribute & there are so many parts to a rom that it's easy to overlook something that a member may have worked on. This crap all started around the time of the TouchPro & TouchPro 2. People stopped sharing source & started trying to lock down their roms & development stiffled. Sure, there were some cooks that made PRETTY roms, but there was no innovation, not truly.
Either this is a community working on an open source project, and like a family we all share from each others experiences & knowledge, or this is the death of development communities & everything might as well be an iPhone since everyone thinks their contributions are their intellectual property.
For this to remain a true development community, we need to share our work in the spirit of open source. This collaboration has to be a two way street though. If you borrow from someones work, then when you find way of improving upon it, you need to publish it, to share it.
And for criminies sake, knock off the 10 year old "I'm taking my ball home" crap. Kiss & make up, shake hands, get a room...whatever...Just share & share ALIKE & lets get on with making the Vivid the best device.
To all non-developing members: Really, Android is easy to develop for. A ton of the work can be done in a good text editor. There are really goog resources available to help you setup a development environment & even help you learn & write a first simple application. I promise you, it is much less daunting & intimidating than many think. Wild Child is a self-taught developer whom is really not involved in development as a career. I have some professional programming experience, but it is very specific (LANWorks & BACNet). I am not a mobile developer by trade. I'd hate to see either of these guys leave the community, but if they do then step up & learn to help yourself. Start with something you want to change, read learn & then it's trial & error time. Cooking a rom is the easy part. Making it truly unique & perform better than stock is also easy on many levels. It can be as simple making a few changes in text files. We need that. We also need better drivers, our devices are capable of 5Ghz wireless-n connectivity, but the drivers & implementation from HTC prevent it. Better media native compatibility is also another big thing that is possible. Again, this is a community, or supposed to be at least, so get involved. Make an effort.
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I havent seen any comments through this whole ordeal from Vhjc or PirateGhost, so i would assume they are still with us. As far as i know its just WildChild and BananaCakes that have decided to leave us. We do hope that they will reverse their decision and decide to come back.
yes, and Bananacakes has stated on a few occasions that his english isnt that great. I personally felt that it was pretty good, but there was definitely some misunderstandings along the way. So i can only assume that it was a language barrier.
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I would have never noticed that. Now that I think about it Some things do stick out. Well Thank you. I just saw where hes from. That being said its a different culture between the two. So in each others eyes they were right, and the other wrong.
So I hope neither of them are the stubborn type and decide to work things out.
GSLEON3 nailed it!!!!!! Yes, yes, yes and yes.
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I have had chat's with both guys at on point or another & in jest I probably started this, or some of it anyways.
However, the way I see it is that Android is a Linux fork complete with GPL requirements & in reality it is virtually impossible to Kang anything that is linux or Android related, aside from user side code.
Development at this stage is in it's infancy for the Vivid & Raider due to the lack of sources as well as the lack of developer involvement.
Android is all in all an open source project created with the intent of giving end users more fredom & choices. It is also a fairly easy platform to learn & develop for & on.
Kernels built are based partly on code from Google & sometimes the oem as well. Modifying a Kernel is a fun & sometimes brings us positive changes that improve our devices. How about the addition of the Bravia Engine & XLoud? Cool, right? But nobody thanks Sony in their posts. The whole point of opensource projects & a GPL is that we are supposed to work together to improve devices for ourselves & for end-users. We are supposed to share & collaberate in an effort to streamline our builds, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A DEVELOPER COMMUNITY.
Yes, it's nice to see your name & be recognized for accomplishments, but that should be secondary, if an issue at all, to development. Let's be honest, most everyone cooking roms is "kanging" (for lack of a more accurate word) code from device chef's that have worked devices released before the Vivid, like the Sensation. We are all definitely "kanging' code from LG, Sony, HTC & Samsung.
Many of the Chef's/Cook's or whatever you want to call them, wouldn't even have an idea without work spanning back over a decade when XDA was truly a developer community forum. Look at all the work BuzzLightYear & itsme did & published for the betterment of the community. It's a different time now & instead of power users & developers being the owners of smartphones, now everyone that has a mobile pretty much has a "Smartphone".
Many of you don't even know that I cook roms. I don't publish them though, aside from a close friend or two, because of all this contention about what belongs to whom. Frankly, unless it is a program, more than likely the work has been done or modified somewhere in some forum on this planet. Unless you are truly rewriting a driver or an application, most everything else is part of the GPL & considered opensource.
I like Bananacakes rom. I like the graphics because the higher contrast makes it easier for me to read. I also like WildChild, bot the stability of his roms & him personally. We talk & razz each other at least once a week. I take both of their roms & mesh then into something I use for a daily driver. I use a modded version of the Rezound Incredikernel for my kernel & scripts from a dozen people. I will never publish it. I don't want to hear how I stole this or that, half of which was really stollen from the oem developer anyway, so I refuse to put myself thru that.
Most threads recognize people that have contributed & so many people contribute & there are so many parts to a rom that it's easy to overlook something that a member may have worked on. This crap all started around the time of the TouchPro & TouchPro 2. People stopped sharing source & started trying to lock down their roms & development stiffled. Sure, there were some cooks that made PRETTY roms, but there was no innovation, not truly.
Either this is a community working on an open source project, and like a family we all share from each others experiences & knowledge, or this is the death of development communities & everything might as well be an iPhone since everyone thinks their contributions are their intellectual property.
For this to remain a true development community, we need to share our work in the spirit of open source. This collaboration has to be a two way street though. If you borrow from someones work, then when you find way of improving upon it, you need to publish it, to share it.
And for criminies sake, knock off the 10 year old "I'm taking my ball home" crap. Kiss & make up, shake hands, get a room...whatever...Just share & share ALIKE & lets get on with making the Vivid the best device.
To all non-developing members: Really, Android is easy to develop for. A ton of the work can be done in a good text editor. There are really goog resources available to help you setup a development environment & even help you learn & write a first simple application. I promise you, it is much less daunting & intimidating than many think. Wild Child is a self-taught developer whom is really not involved in development as a career. I have some professional programming experience, but it is very specific (LANWorks & BACNet). I am not a mobile developer by trade. I'd hate to see either of these guys leave the community, but if they do then step up & learn to help yourself. Start with something you want to change, read learn & then it's trial & error time. Cooking a rom is the easy part. Making it truly unique & perform better than stock is also easy on many levels. It can be as simple making a few changes in text files. We need that. We also need better drivers, our devices are capable of 5Ghz wireless-n connectivity, but the drivers & implementation from HTC prevent it. Better media native compatibility is also another big thing that is possible. Again, this is a community, or supposed to be at least, so get involved. Make an effort.
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I have decided to teach myself the trades of development on the android system. Need to put my AAS degree to the test
Sent from my HTC Vivid
Alright everyone, I'm going to direct you away from my post count along the left, and ask you to just listen (read) what I have to say.
I'm a college student that enjoys technology. Ever since I was the 8th grade, I've ways been interested in technology. I'm not talking about "ooooh thats pretty. OH and THAT'S SHINEY!", I'm talking about genuine interest in technology and how it affects our lives. I'm talking about an interest in how it can help us accomplish things that would be much more difficult otherwise.
I've come to a point in my life where I can say that I have skills that can take this interest to the next level. I'm not talking about turning this into a business or a billion dollar idea. I want to take this interest and share it with others.
At this point, I would like to start a podcast that talks about new technologies (whether that be mobile, desktop, or otherwise) amongst people who also have similar ideas. I'm also interesting in creating (in conjunction with the podcast), in a way, a community blog. Anybody can write for it, meaning that people will come and go as they please. It is community fueled and driven, which is what XDA is all about.
I have the idea, and I'm wondering if there are others who share this interest...
If you've made it to this point...
If you think this is a great idea, let me know in a comment. If you think this is idiotic, let me know.
If you want in...you guessed it, leave it in a comment below, or send me a message. This whole thing is based off community input, from an amazing community, XDA...
Hello, I am new here. I primarily joined to ask questions on installing someone's project documented here, but hopefully I will be able to do something myself eventually. I am mainly into older computers and video games consoles but I have recently realised that smartphones are more interesting than I previously thought, more like old PCs I suppose as they are closed systems unlike new PCs. I have a few phones and I've always thought i'd like to use them more but historically I've only really been interested in games and scene demos. I am supposed to be a technical guy but I only have a lot of breadth of surface level knowledge mostly on old computers and not much depth, mostly because of spending all my time dreaming and never doing or actually learning stuff other than reading Wikipedia articles. Hopefully I can change that and get around to learning more in depth. The trouble is finding information that allows you to learn more but is still at a level that you understand.
Anyway from the little i've seen this seems like quite a civilised community so hopefully I will get along with everyone and maybe I'll be able to help with things eventually.
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Hello, I am new here. I primarily joined to ask questions on installing someone's project documented here, but hopefully I will be able to do something myself eventually. I am mainly into older computers and video games consoles but I have recently realised that smartphones are more interesting than I previously thought, more like old PCs I suppose as they are closed systems unlike new PCs. I have a few phones and I've always thought i'd like to use them more but historically I've only really been interested in games and scene demos. I am supposed to be a technical guy but I only have a lot of breadth of surface level knowledge mostly on old computers and not much depth, mostly because of spending all my time dreaming and never doing or actually learning stuff other than reading Wikipedia articles. Hopefully I can change that and get around to learning more in depth. The trouble is finding information that allows you to learn more but is still at a level that you understand.
Anyway from the little i've seen this seems like quite a civilised community so hopefully I will get along with everyone and maybe I'll be able to help with things eventually.
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Very nice intro!
Welcome to XDA, hope you enjoy your stay.