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performance compared to S2

Hi all!
I've some antutu results... it seems that on 1600Mhz, Note is far behind (compared to S2) in the following values:
2D (126 ?!)
3D (598 ?!)
SD card read (8.9MB)
this is with AbyssNote 3.1 kernel and Criskelo V1, but I've similar results with stock and other ROMs too. Using Chainfire's 3D driver don't change the results.
Do you have any knowledge about these values and/or the reasons behind 'em?

and what about real world performance not a benchmark?
benchmarks are great for giving people something to brag about, but these are not real world tests, compare it side by side for speed when using the phone not a benchmark

killerjohn said:
Hi all!
I've some antutu results... it seems that on 1600Mhz, Note is far behind (compared to S2) in the following values:
2D (126 ?!)
3D (598 ?!)
SD card read (8.9MB)
this is with AbyssNote 3.1 kernel and Criskelo V1, but I've similar results with stock and other ROMs too. Using Chainfire's 3D driver don't change the results.
Do you have any knowledge about these values and/or the reasons behind 'em?
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Try to run 2 or 3 time benchmark. this a known issue to Mali as GPU will always lock to 160mhz from the higher 267mhz..
For sdcard read/write use some app that change the sd cache size to higher value to increase that.

Richy99 said:
and what about real world performance not a benchmark?
benchmarks are great for giving people something to brag about, but these are not real world tests, compare it side by side for speed when using the phone not a benchmark
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it FEELS much worse, this is why I started some bechmarks...
I've two S2 (stock and custom OC, UV) and a Note, so I know what I'm talking about...

Note is pretty fast. You on crack.

Atrix_E said:
Note is pretty fast. You on crack.
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I really don't want to ignore you, but S2 is much more lagfree. And it seems that the GPU is really much slower than on S2. Please don't be an "Apple fan" who is just talking that "oo it's perfect, better than anything". NO. It (I mean the Note) has bugs. Serious ones.

It has been said millions of times...
The note has nearly twice the pixel of the s2 so it has to work much more for every frame...
Wait for ICS and the note will burst your mind away
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I have both and I can say the s2 is a tad snappier than the GNote.Both are stock.To say that the Note is much worse is BS unless you have sytem power saving on.

Alexforfun said:
It has been said millions of times...
Wait for ICS and the note will burst your mind away
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You don't have to wait that long.
I'm blown away at how fast the lastest custom roms are (the XLA3 ones).
Samsung keeps releasing new ROMS every couple of weeks, and the Note just gets better and better with each one.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
Samsung keeps releasing new ROMS every couple of weeks, and the Note just gets better and better with each one.
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Exactly. Everyone knows that the S2 is currently a little bit snappier than the Note with stock ROMs. But the S2 has been out so much longer, so it's hardly surprising.
In a few weeks' time, the Note will be snappier on Gingerbread, let alone ICS.
You could say that manufacturers should get ROMs in better working order before they release the phones, but that's just the way software is moving in general (test out software on paying customers).

Alexforfun said:
It has been said millions of times...
The note has nearly twice the pixel of the s2 so it has to work much more for every frame...
Wait for ICS and the note will burst your mind away
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Note is pretty fast but ain't as smooth my dead S2. It's remarkable that Exynos can handle a large amount of pixels without slowing down that much.
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Remember the S2 has to power 800x480=384000 pixels. While the Note has to power 1280x800=1024000 pixels.
This is 2,666666 times more!

Benchmarks dont mean anything. my S2 can score twice higher but it performs worse.

A look at the leaked Lollipop TouchWiz build.

A look at the leaked Lollipop build on the Note 3. Should be pretty much the same for the Note 4.
Looks very nice indeed! Especially the Dialer, Settings overview and Previews look much better than on 4.4.4.
Very promising!
http://www.androidauthority.com/loo...ational-install-instructions-included-576552/

Nice nice.

Which someone would v port the Lockean

I personally don't like the Vanilla flavor of Lollipop on my Nexus 7, the TouchWiz overlay is essential to complete Lollipop. :good:

I've got the leaked L build flashed on my Note 3 (N9005) since Christmas Eve, timing couldn't be better.
It performs way more fluidly and consistently than the Note 4 (N910C) on 4.4.4. If this is what Lollipop brings to the table for Android, I can't wait until the OTA drops. Samsung, it's 2015, and your flagship's been waiting months!

Hurrian said:
I've got the leaked L build flashed on my Note 3 (N9005) since Christmas Eve, timing couldn't be better.
It performs way more fluidly and consistently than the Note 4 (N910C) on 4.4.4. If this is what Lollipop brings to the table for Android, I can't wait until the OTA drops. Samsung, it's 2015, and your flagship's been waiting months!
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Don't nag! Does your Note 4 only work on 5.0?

I experienced lollipop on my S5 and I isn't that fluid at all, now having a note 4 I hope it will be.Shame there are no news when it will be released....

Lollipop users - is the calculator bug still there?

henklbr said:
Don't nag! Does your Note 4 only work on 5.0?
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when it's up to me it has nothing to do with nagging, this is a discussion site. My Note 4 just isn't fluid in daily use and my fingerprint scanner is more a gimmick than a useful feature. Reading the posts about 5.0 being more fluid i'm also waiting for this update. Until then I almost don't install any software. I'm still not sure if selling my Note 3 was a wise decision.

Ce said:
when it's up to me it has nothing to do with nagging, this is a discussion site. My Note 4 just isn't fluid in daily use and my fingerprint scanner is more a gimmick than a useful feature. Reading the posts about 5.0 being more fluid i'm also waiting for this update. Until then I almost don't install any software. I'm still not sure if selling my Note 3 was a wise decision.
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if your note 4 is not fluid with stock then either it needs a reset or probably something wrong with your device

arjun90 said:
I personally don't like the Vanilla flavor of Lollipop on my Nexus 7, the TouchWiz overlay is essential to complete Lollipop. :good:
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I'm the opposite. I'm loving Lollipop vanilla but I cry and cringe every time I see or use TouchWiz.
I just wish someone would leak the Note 4 TW Lollipop build soon. Or at least Samsung release it. I just can't stand the lag on 4.4.4 TW. Most of all the multitasking switcher.

I think Note 3 is better than Note 4 because its better optimized system and we will see if it'll change with Lollipop for the Note 4, but this is always going to be this way on newer devices. Note 3 works for me much better and is fluently than the 4 is @ this time.

I find the recent apps menu to work flawlessly on my note N910F...idk why so many people have problems with that.

dede99 said:
I think Note 3 is better than Note 4 because its better optimized system and we will see if it'll change with Lollipop for the Note 4, but this is always going to be this way on newer devices. Note 3 works for me much better and is fluently than the 4 is @ this time.
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Which variant of Note 3 and Note 4 are you talking about? I had a Note 3 Snapdragon and now I have an Exynos Note 4 and surely Note 4 is smoother, faster and has a little better battery life.I am very satified and Lollipop is around the corner to perfect the expierience

Both Snapdragon but I would'n say the CPU makes the difference since Note 3 is working perfectly. I'm not saying the Note 4 is bad, but the Note 3 is working better on stock ROM's.

My old snapdragon note 3 is wiped nothing installed and on latest stock. Its definetly worse than my exynos note 4 and not even close.
And old touchwiz just sucks slow and laggy i wouldnt buy note 4 if they didnt change it.

is the leaked build 64 bit ? 64 bit kernel for exynos with armv8 instruction set ?

Nope, Samsung will not be adding 64-bit support for the note 4 most likely nor for the note 3...

dede99 said:
I think Note 3 is better than Note 4 because its better optimized system and we will see if it'll change with Lollipop for the Note 4, but this is always going to be this way on newer devices. Note 3 works for me much better and is fluently than the 4 is @ this time.
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You have right I find the note 3 also better than note 4 much more stable in performance and feeling

how would u know? do u work for samsung? i think not.. oh and the note 3 DOES NOT have a 64bit chip. please dont flood with useless wrong information

Note 4 to get s6 TouchWiz

Hi guys, thought you'd be interested in the following article
http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entr...id-5-1-update-in-H1-2015#.VRbusagHzGc.twitter
Fingers crossed for Q2/Q3!
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I tried s6 in store. There isnt much difference with note 4 lollipop. There is some small changes could be good for note 4 too. Like some buttons moved down tabs button on browser and all buttons in gallery etc.
In performance i saw no difference even s6 had stutters on animations. And they say camera launch very fast but it was pretty same with my exynos note 4.in night mode s6 is faster it was all.
And there is no multitasking button lag. Note 4 still has initial 0.5 sec delay if its your 1st press for while but later than if you keep spamming on both it was same speed app switches was faster on note 4.
And it was heating alot.(it wasnt on charge) dunno but it didnt feel very fast it was nearly identical with my exynos note 4.

tmac31 said:
I tried s6 in store. There isnt much difference with note 4 lollipop. There is some small changes could be good for note 4 too. Like some buttons moved down tabs button on browser and all buttons in gallery etc.
In performance i saw no difference even s6 had stutters on animations. And they say camera launch very fast but it was pretty same with my exynos note 4.in night mode s6 is faster it was all.
And there is no multitasking button lag. Note 4 still has initial 0.5 sec delay if its your 1st press for while but later than if you keep spamming on both it was same speed app switches was faster on note 4.
And it was heating alot.(it wasnt on charge) dunno but it didnt feel very fast it was nearly identical with my exynos note 4.
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I guess it all depends on what apps are running already in the background. I've found on my Note 4 that a number of apps auto restart in the background which slows down the CPU performance. Sadly the only way to control apps restarting or refreshing in the background is to root and if you've just bought your phone, you're unlikely to want to root your phone and void the warranty.
I'm just hoping for a smoother feel. The new s6 TouchWiz was tested on the snapdragon chip but Samsung used their own chip like you said. This is a little worrying in respect of all previous models with snapdragon chips. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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leedsnyc said:
I guess it all depends on what apps are running already in the background. I've found on my Note 4 that a number of apps auto restart in the background which slows down the CPU performance. Sadly the only way to control apps restarting or refreshing in the background is to root and if you've just bought your phone, you're unlikely to want to root your phone and void the warranty.
I'm just hoping for a smoother feel. The new s6 TouchWiz was tested on the snapdragon chip but Samsung used their own chip like you said. This is a little worrying in respect of all previous models with snapdragon chips. Just have to wait and see I guess.
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Background apps there for s6 too you cant avoid it. I dont see any slowdowns on my exynos note 4 lollipop. Dont expect alot of difference if you dont like current lollipop on note 4. Cuz s6 and note 4 was very similar on my test.

The animations on the S6 are smoother and better looking overall I don't get how people can't see them lol...From my point of view it does look really fast and better than the current Lollipop build on our Note 4 devices.Let's hope we get the new UI it would really benefit the note 4.

Ashatar said:
The animations on the S6 are smoother and better looking overall I don't get how people can't see them lol...From my point of view it does look really fast and better than the current Lollipop build on our Note 4 devices.Let's hope we get the new UI it would really benefit the note 4.
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Well they are not, even it has animation stutters. Better looking maybe but definetly not smoother tried on like 4 different phones all had stutters generally. It could be cuz pre relaese software its ok but how do you have the idea its faster and smoother while its definetly not atm atleast not from exynos note 4.

tmac31 said:
Well they are not, even it has animation stutters. Better looking maybe but definetly not smoother tried on like 4 different phones all had stutters generally. It could be cuz pre relaese software its ok but how do you have the idea its faster and smoother while its definetly not atm atleast not from exynos note 4.
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I looked at some review of the phone and it looked smooth, I agree that I did see some small stutter but it isn't that noticeable.I am not saying that my note 4 SD isn't smooth but the S6 looks smoother to me.Also look at how the dialer opens fast as well as contacts and some other stock apps.

Ashatar said:
I looked at some review of the phone and it looked smooth as hell.I am not sating that my note 4 SD isn't smooth but the S6 looks smoother to me.
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i dont know lollipop on sd but exynos note 4 was alot smoother on kitkat. dunno how is the difference now but s6 and exynos note on lollipop is very very similar on performace atleast for now. i dunno vids i tried myself. dialer and contacts were same loads under 0.5 sec generally for both so its instant mostly

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i dont know lollipop on sd but exynos note 4 was alot smoother on kitkat. dunno how is the difference now but s6 and exynos note on lollipop is very very similar on performace atleast for now. i dunno vids i tried myself. dialer and contacts were same loads under 0.5 sec generally for both so its instant mostly
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Well maybe because you have Exynos.Still, although I am satisfied with the performance of my note 4, I would like the new UI on it.

Ashatar said:
Well maybe it has something because you have Exynos.Still, although I am satisfied with the performance of my note 4, I would like the new UI on it.
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yes cuz it definetly fits better on big screen. ui looking is similar but animations abit different. it will come eventualy but they should make note 4 lolipop perfect 1st.

tmac31 said:
yes cuz it definetly fits better on big screen. ui looking is similar but animations abit different. it will come eventualy but they should make note 4 lolipop perfect 1st.
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It's not the fact that I don't like lollipop on the Note 4, clearly we have to wait for the final release of 5.0.1 or even 5.0.2. The current versions are test versions and are not final. When the full roll out comes for the Note 4, we'll get a better comparison. Also the two phones use different chips so if you've got an exynos Note 4 then you have a better comparison to the s6 in terms of being in a level playing field. The hope is that the release of 5.1 on the Note 4 in Q2/Q3 will fix or reduce the stutter when opening apps.
One particular one I find takes a while is YouTube. On the s6, it opens up a lot faster.
Watch this YouTube video. Granted it's comparison of s5 vs s6 but the Note 4 lollipop vs s6 lollipop will be up soon over the next few months once the s6 is released and the Note 4 has its lollipop release. The video shows the lag on the s5, which is almost certainly a snapdragon version, against the exynos s6.
https://youtu.be/K4__rbWOGB4
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I also noticed that the S^ has a nice lock animation...I am really hopping that those unofficial rumors are true.

leedsnyc said:
It's not the fact that I don't like lollipop on the Note 4, clearly we have to wait for the final release of 5.0.1 or even 5.0.2. The current versions are test versions and are not final. When the full roll out comes for the Note 4, we'll get a better comparison. Also the two phones use different chips so if you've got an exynos Note 4 then you have a better comparison to the s6 in terms of being in a level playing field. The hope is that the release of 5.1 on the Note 4 in Q2/Q3 will fix or reduce the stutter when opening apps.
One particular one I find takes a while is YouTube. On the s6, it opens up a lot faster.
Watch this YouTube video. Granted it's comparison of s5 vs s6 but the Note 4 lollipop vs s6 lollipop will be up soon over the next few months once the s6 is released and the Note 4 has its lollipop release. The video shows the lag on the s5, which is almost certainly a snapdragon version, against the exynos s6.
https://youtu.be/K4__rbWOGB4
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youtube is broken by itself dont really say alot. but no doubt its faster than s5 there is a huge cpu difference. yes exynos note 4 is better rival for it. my note edge didnt get lollipop yet so i cant do a fair comparison but note 4 exynos on lollipop is very smooth no stutter etc.. and i think rollout for 910c started too its almost done.
snapdragon versions could need 5.1 update which fixed alot of performance problems for nexus 6 too. but we will see.

All I want is the 5x5 for stock ...

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Touchwiz on lollipop is garbage

I mean reallyyyy it just lags lags and feels that someon is strangling those octa-cores i had a note 3 before and i already can tell you this phone is a downgrade in terms of software. The only thing that stands in this phone is the gorgeous display. I could have said lollipop on note 4 is garbage but thats what it is. Please share your experience and let samsumg know that iphone 4 is still getting updates faster than samsungs latest flagship
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Lollipop is definitely faster than Kitkat for me.
It's also faster than the Note 3.
You are correct about the slow updates though.

Same thoughts as Nuu...besides the slow updates mine is smooth as on 5.01 =)
No complaints as all...cept maybe faster Multitask button....

same for me too lag in multitasking button, and laggy call screen and some bugs. without these its just great for me fast and reliable and good on battery too. performance is on par with my s6 edge and note 4 is way better in multitasking and ram management.

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I mean reallyyyy it just lags lags and feels that someon is strangling those octa-cores i had a note 3 before and i already can tell you this phone is a downgrade in terms of software. The only thing that stands in this phone is the gorgeous display. I could have said lollipop on note 4 is garbage but thats what it is. Please share your experience and let samsumg know that iphone 4 is still getting updates faster than samsungs latest flagship
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Agreed, but that's why CM12 exists: blazing fast and quick on the updates (currently on lollipop 5.1.1). Other option would be to sell the Note and buy the new LG G4 for example

You do know that you could just install a 3rd Party Launcher onto your Note 4? You don't have to stick with touchwiz.

gekkehenkie11 said:
Agreed, but that's why CM12 exists: blazing fast and quick on the updates (currently on lollipop 5.1.1). Other option would be to sell the Note and buy the new LG G4 for example
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If you don't care about the camera or s-pen, CM12 would be an option. The camera thing has always stopped me from using CM on my Note 4 and my S3. I nicely debloated TW based rom and a different launcher like Nova is what I always did. YMMV.

Stock touch wiz is pretty crappie I've not had the lag like you described but just not a huge touch wiz fan.
you can get a sped up launcher in the apps section which helps quite a bit and makes it as snappy as I can be. But as above you best bet is a 3rd party launcher.
Do some debloating or use Simplrom which is already heavily slimmed down And has very good speed.
and we have 12.1 in the pipeline which should be good also.
Don't write ya note 4 off yet

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If you don't care about the camera or s-pen, CM12 would be an option. The camera thing has always stopped me from using CM on my Note 4 and my S3. I nicely debloated TW based rom and a different launcher like Nova is what I always did. YMMV.
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The samsung touchwiz cam is quite a nice *free* app and I understand some people might miss it. And it's definitely better than the CM stock camera app, I don't like that one too much neither, it's just too basic. But luckily there are some quite good 3rd party cam apps out there nowadays. My previous favourite was FV-5 camera, but I'm now really hooked on Snap Camera. You can download a trial in the playstore, see if you like it. Picture quality in TW using a 3rd party cam is always the same as in CM, so that's good way to judge if you like it.
And about S-pen, that works great in CM12, out of the box, including hovering. Sure, out of the box it's a bit less integrated into the system, but there are some really nice apps for it if you want some more integrated s-pen functionality, mimicking pretty much Touchwiz, including a similar s-pen popup menu and for example cropped screenshots. See the video here for example: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/app-app-samsung-devices-provided-stylus-t3000448 With this app you pretty much have the same S-pen functionality as Touchwiz.

Yes i can do that but the skin and the thing that kills the cpu is touchwiz which is in setting + dialer + snote + etc and all those cannot be changed by another launcher
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Its wierd but ive been using nova for years. But stock tw launcher is faster than nova in 5.0 i noticed that on my friends phone. He had stock and i had nova but app opening response etc was faster on tw there is basically delay on nova. So i rolled back to tw
And i think slowdown problems could be about apps. Cuz i had wierd slowdowns on 1st update but boc3 totally fixed all problems for me like i said my problems are multitasking button delay(which exist on my s6 too i dont expect a fix for it), call screen delay and gpu bug other these its really a great update for me.

https://youtu.be/8Gk8WoVjxiA ... put at 5:15 .. then watch .. if TouchWiz is garbage what the pure android is ?

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https://youtu.be/8Gk8WoVjxiA ... put at 5:15 .. then watch .. if TouchWiz is garbage what the pure android is ?
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The Nexus probably has encryption enabled, which slows the device down. And is this an Exynos ? That device seems to respond faster in Touchwiz than the snapdragon.

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The Nexus probably has encryption enabled, which slows the device down. And is this an Exynos ? That device seems to respond faster in Touchwiz than the snapdragon.
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Yes, it's the Exynos version, and if we active the Knox continues protection, doesn't change nothing, some users even reported that activing this feature improves the overall performance.

not seeing the issues you are seeing.
Stock Samsung Lollipop is better than Stock Samsung KitKat for sure.

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not seeing the issues you are seeing.
Stock Samsung Lollipop is better than Stock Samsung KitKat for sure.
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Love posts like this. You did not see it, so naturally did not happen
Touchwiz is laggy in places and this is not something that even surprises anyone anymore. Use a nexus 6 for a few days and come back to note 4, yea the lag can get to you at times. However its fine as an overall package and that's all that matters.

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Love posts like this. You did not see it, so naturally did not happen
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm just not seeing it on my phone.
This is useful information which means there are *conditions* for the problem to show itself.
If the guy is really interested in knowing why there is a discrepancy in experiences he will ask me for more details in my setup.

Is that even a conversation samsung itself knows that TW is laggy but the whole point of this just look at Sense UI on the old m7 i mean even its 3 years old but it feels faster than note 4 which has that fancy octa core processors. But you see the point is that it doesnt matter how many cores you have under the hood. Optimization is the key . if i have buggati veyron with flat tyres i would be outrun by a golf. Let me say again the whole point of this is to let samsung hear our plea and respond
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sirwanesmail said:
Is that even a conversation samsung itself knows that TW is laggy but the whole point of this just look at Sense UI on the old m7 i mean even its 3 years old but it feels faster than note 4 which has that fancy octa core processors. But you see the point is that it doesnt matter how many cores you have under the hood. Optimization is the key . if i have buggati veyron with flat tyres i would be outrun by a golf. Let me say again the whole point of this is to let samsung hear our plea and respond
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It would be nice if they even gave us the choice of an AOSP rom with their camera and some TW functions. With a custom kernel and TW apps frozen, TW is fine and doesn't lag too much but to do this you need to root and invalidate your warranty.

OD2 build for 910G is blazing fast!! the way kitkat is meant to be .. the previous version boc6 was not up to the mark. Probably 910F and other users will feel the difference once u get OD series roms

Note 5 vs Note 4 Exynos

Been on the fence trying to decide which one I want for the past two weeks.
Know the 5 blows away the Note 4 Snapdragon version performance wise but just how much faster and smoother is it compared to the Exynos version?
Can those of you who upgraded share your experience?
Was it really an upgrade?
Did you notice a big jump in performance?
How does the screen compare?
Thanks in advance!!!!

Sorry if this is not the comment you are looking for since I came from a Note 2, but I think it may help. When it comes down to deciding between these two phones (the same choice I had to make recently) it all comes down to the few features that are different and whether or not you NEED root. Removable battery was the biggest one for me but I think that issue will be taken care of by the battery cases once they are out, that said the battery lasts pretty long for 3000mah (I had a 6400mah in my note 2 and this lasts almost as long). If you NEED to root the phone for any reason you may as well go with a Note 4, since you lose Samsung pay capabilities which is one of the stand out features of this phone. If you NEED an IR sensor, again Note 4. If you want a really fast starting camera, want Samsung pay, don't mind using a USB SD card reader for expansion storage, a fingerprint reader that works great, and don't mind the non replaceable battery the Note 5 is a killer phone. It has surpassed all of my expectations coming up from a Note 2 that had Root, a 6400mah battery etc... This will be my first phone without root access, but I feel like I will not be missing too much. Hope this might help in your decision process, but if not just ignore.

Here's a detailed analysis of the two SoC's in the Note 4.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8718/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-exynos-review/11
The same architectural reasons Exynos was superior are the answer as to why the Note 5's Exynos chip is superior to the Note 4's. Each generation of new (not revised) chips are a leap above their predessors. S-810 being the exception because while it hit its performance expectations you could fry an egg with it.

It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
Samsung Galaxy Note5 Pros
Exquisite design
More compact, with better screen-to-body size ratio
Better performance thanks to the superior hardware
Better battery life
Improved S Pen features
Revamped TouchWiz UI
Wireless fast charging out of the box
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microSD card slot
Removable battery
Superior rear camera performance in certain scenes
Slightly better call quality
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064

Thanks for the opinion/feedback.
Some people are power users and when you have two of the most powerful sports cars side by side àll of a sudden performance becomes one of the most important deciding factors and not just cargo space or gas mileage if that makes sense.
Knowing the Note 5 is the latest and greatest, I'm not expecting the performance to be night and day vs the already proven note 4.
However I would like to know if the hype really is worth the extra 3-400 more dollars considering everything Samsung left off the table (no SD, no ir, removable battery etc)
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
Keep in mind this is touchwiz Not Apple
P.S most articles & reviews are comparing the Note 4 Snapdragon vs the Note 5 Exynos which really isn't that fair a comparison. (Including the one you linked above)
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
Clash of the Titans!!!
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?

CafeKampuchia said:
Noticeable when, in the UI, running a benchmark, playing a game?
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Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
While using the Note 5, I didn't experience any lag which for Samsung has been a problem with the user experience for years.
Of course the 805 Snapdragon Note 4 sitting next to it had some lag going through the menus, web browsing, email usage videos on Touchwiz etc
Wasn't bad but noticeable from time to time.
Even after rebooting the phone.
Granted both units were stock and the Note 4 was over a year old BUT I've never had a chance to use the Exynos Note 4 which everyone seems to praise for its snappy performance.
So I say this to ask for those of you who have use both the N910C and now the Note 5, how close would you say the Exynos Note 4 user experience is compared to the Note 5 based on what I said above?

tiguy99 said:
My question is, is the performance of the 7420 processor a big noticeable difference vs the 5433 on the Note 4 or is it a small noticeable difference?
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The SoC alone doesn't determine performance. The Note 5 has uber-fast UFS storage and LPDDR4 RAM including an extra GB of the latter. That and the streamlining and minimization Samsung's done with the UI and their apps contribute to a huge and noticeable difference in performance. It's especially noticeable when working with big I/O sensitive apps like S Note and Gallery. Whether that's worth X$ more is up to you.
I'm looking for real world feedback on Exynos vs Exynos.
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Feedback on performance is subjective. This article compares the two Exynos chips. If you're looking at the SoC alone it's pretty clear the 7420 is a huge generational leap over 5430/3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9330/exynos-7420-deep-dive

tiguy99 said:
Just overall how fluid is the OS and overall user experience?
I had a chance to test the Note 5 at Best Buy recently and really liked the experience.
Everything was instant iphone like.
Have to admit love or hate them, Apple builds a rock solid user experience on lesser hardware and Android as great as it is can take a page from Apple based on this aspect alone.
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There is more to user experience than fluid animations in the UI, and trends in the market have proven that out. Apple has done more apeing of Android in recent years than the other way around. For example, they told us that the 3G/4/4s were the perfect size for user experience. Android OEMs proved that optimizing a display for the eyes by making it larger was more important than optimizing it for the thumb. Apple made fun of Android, but since the iPhone 5 their displays have gotten larger. They also had the perfect screen resolution before increasing theirs to match Android starting with the iPhone 6.
In the UI, Apple used to mock widgets as confusing and unnecessary UI clutter before they added something sorta like widgets to iOS. They also had to catch up to Android's better implementation of notifications. And iOS is still famously non-customizable, which keeps lots of people away from it.
So obviously Android is doing a few things right when it comes to user experience, which is why I wrote:
CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
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I don't need Apple propagandists telling me what perfect user experience is so I'll think their designers and engineers have miraculously produced that for me.
If fluid animations in the UI is what defines good user experience for you, then you should consider the iPhone S6 Plus. I hear it's a great device.

This video is exactly what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoZkqT_CItc
In 2015, you don't hear those stories coming from the Apple camp and lets face it you still hear that coming from Android users with newer devices.
To me the Note 5 is the first Android phone I've used that's "lag free" in fluidity.
That may not mean much to you guys but I'd say that's damn good considering the amount of lag complaints re: touchwiz all over the internet.
Which leads me back to my original point...I don't need to "just buy an iphone if I want to avoid lag!"
In my opinion, I think that's an absurd comment considering the power these devices have and the fact I'm on an Android tech forum praising the Note 5 for its speedy performance!!!!
Being very familiar with both OSs & phones and a fan of good tech overall, I say its good to see both camps producing great products.
I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?

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I'm just asking for those of you who've owned and used both Note 4 & 5 Exynos versions, how would you say the performance and user experience has been for you?
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.

Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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Well...I have owned both the Note 4 Exynos and Snapdragon versions, and atm I have the Note 5.
The N4 SD we can disregard completely as the Exynos version is much smoother and faster, and without the overheating issues of the SD.
The N4 Exynos with stock rom I found basically pretty smooth, but even so still some improvements were necessary.
With a custom rom and custom kernel (and a couple other build.prop tweaks) everything was rather very smooth and fast and I could use my N4 almost to full satisfaction.
I am specifically referring to scrolling behaviour and speed of opening apps. Also worth mentioning is RAM management (far too quickly closing of recent apps).
This has never been great on TW phones, and indeed this goes for both Note 4's and also the Note 5.
Now...the Note 5. Speed and smoothness are exceptional imo, even on stock rom and without a custom kernel. But...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
So, I rooted my Note 5 and applied some build.prop tweaks and now RAM management is great.
I can easily open more than 15 (!) apps and not have them closed automatically by TW. Scrolling is also a bit more smooth with the build.prop tweaks implemented.
Thirdly you can activate the 'Enforce GPU rendering' option within Developer Menu. It does help somewhat with smoother scrolling.
So...that's it. Hoping my info is helpful to you.
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...RAM management is still crap to be honest!
Just 3 or 4 apps recent apps and you will find one closed when you open a 5th app...ridiculous really (especially with so much RAM).
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Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.

ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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Hmm...that sure is weird indeed...but good news for you I based my point on my own experience, and also on user experience on Dutch Note 5 forum and XDA, as well as several news stories / reviews which also had the RAM management issue. Strange case apparently then of some Note 5's performing well and other don't
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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Thanks Daffie!
That's exactly what I was looking for
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You're very welcome :good:

ECdOc said:
Sorry but on my unrooted and updated Note 5 I currently have 21 recent apps listed, and you would never know as there is no slowdown and no RAM issues.
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They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
Here's a video

daffie said:
Oh and btw...I was referring very specifically to recent apps being CLOSED unnecessarily by TW. From your remark it isn't clear whether you have this issue or you don't. You only say 'there is no slowdown and no RAM issues'. I have no slowdown on my Note 5. Just making sure everybody's on the same page here
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BarryH_GEG said:
They are "present" in recent apps visually but when you re-open them you'll find they reload. Samsung's explanation is that apps beyond a certain (unexplained) threshold are killed to maximize battery life. It doesn't really affect me the way I use my phone but it bothers the crap out of some people.
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Thanks for the clarification, I have never noticed an issue with apps reloading but probably because it really doesn't make a difference as quick as everything opens. I'll keep an eye on it though.

I also agree with both of you, with the speed of the Note 5 opening apps is no problem really...even when they are closed automatically too quickly. With my former Note 4 this really was an issue. Not so much with the Note 5 :good:

CafeKampuchia said:
It's just my opinion, but I can't imagine basing a decision like this on how smoothly the device scrolls pages on the homescreen or flips between apps. It's amazing how much influence Apple's propaganda has had on even non-Apple users.
Both the Note 4 and Note 5 are powerful tools that are functionally very similar, but have very different price tags.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-Note5-vs-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-4_id4064
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This link is a good example of what we've been discussing for the past 2 days

I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.

Awesome!! BIG Thanks to everyone in this thread.
Your feedback and thoughts are exactly what I need to make my decision
CafeKampuchia said:
I messed around with a Note 4 (SM-N910C/Exynos 5433) right after a Note5 at a Samsung store in Bangkok today. I noticed no lag, frame drops or hesitation in either device. Both were running 5.1.1.
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