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HTC One and Cyanogenmod

Hello everyone,
Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one.
I've settled on the Nexus range because I love stock Android and have found the hardware to be acceptable.
For my next foray into a 2013 phone I'm thinking of getting the HTC One and pairing this with Cyanogenmod, when it becomes available.
This to me would be the best physical hardware, in both appearance and materials of any Android device, and software.
Something akin to this!
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So the reason for this thread is to gain input from those who have used both Stock and Cyanogenmod.
Am I going to be satisfied with the move?
Visually things are the same? The use the same assets?
What problems could arise? What should I be aware of when compared with Stock?
Any other thoughts or opinions you may have. Please keep it in-line with the HTC One and Cyanogenmod.
Many thanks.

Off-topic but when I look at that Black picture I find it sooo cool.

CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out

notsointeresting said:
CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out
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I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.

Re: blingfeed annoying
Is it worth it. I love it but even on the one x was frustrating due to not being able to use the camera to it's full potential.it would fly on here but you'd lose a lot on this device. Which would be a shame
(No doubt if be trying it still if it was here though and get frustrated again lol)
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mr.suff said:
Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one
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I had the last 'perfect one' - the legendary HTC HD2 - since it came out.
I dropped the first one I owned and almost sold the insurance replacement to buy a different phone.
I was tempted many times by the hypegasm of new fangled phones but, really, what were they adding that the venerable HD2 couldn't already do? Nothing really.
Glad I made the choices I did.

Wait and see, all these answers can be answered by yourself ...
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mr.suff said:
I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.
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By default, it is basically identical, with a few improvements (T9 dialing).
However, there are many options to customise it - adding different shortcuts to the lockscreen ring (up to five, I think), quick-toggles in the notification shade, "quiet hours" (a setting which silences your phone during certain times of the week)..
The list is exhaustive.
CyanogenMod is much better than stock, imo, notification toggles are much better (and less complicated) than the quick-settings panel.

i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.

fix-this! said:
i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.
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Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.

mr.suff said:
Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.
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im hearing the n5 will be announced at google io.

What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.

Suqmadiq said:
What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.
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Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod

AW: HTC One and Cyanogenmod
NiCk.JaY said:
Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod
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It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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I didn't read the question properly lol. Mate if your a fan of pure android stick with the nexus.I love both so I'm okay. But pure...there's a lot to be said for how quick everything runs. Though I wouldn't pass on the one.
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Thing is, stock rom (Sense) tend to have better battery life than CM10. Stock roms (Sense) are more optimised for the system. I've noticed this since my battery was a lot less when I had the S2, S3, HTC One X etc using CM10.

I also feel this may get a quicker/less buggy release than the S4 with exynos 5. I imagine samsung wont release any info for the exynos 5 like they havent for the exynos 4. The S600 variants will probably be fine but that may give the One an advantage.

it makes no sense to buy a HTC One or any phone for that matter to just put stock android on it.. you lose half the features the phone came with (even if their are gimmick or not)
You should just buy a Nexus device.. because in the end thats all you trying to get..
You are buying the HTC One for design.. not for its features..
The processors wouldn't be any difference in notice.. unless you plan on running HD 1080P videos every second of the day and playing games like "Dead trigger, Real Racing etc every day"

May-C said:
It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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That was just to explain the basics of cm to him
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The main difference between stock android and cyanogenmod are featured n options. There are a lot more settings, n tweaks and ways to persoalize it the way you want. There are also variations of CM like aokp, paranoidandroid,etc which add even more options and customizations. Also there will be sense roms with things added/removed l, etc that you may like. The great thing about Roms is that you can change the whole look ans feel of your phone within minutes. Best thing for you to do is go over to like the HTC EVO 4g LTE forum or the HTC ONE X forum and look thru the android and original android development sections at all the toms and get an idea what is out there. Any aosp rom would be cm like stock android and any sense is just that tweaked stock sense.

Why I switched from Samsung to Nexus

My first android device was Samsung Galaxy Ace. Which was quite nice until I got to know that it won’t receive upgrades past Gingerbread. So, I bought a Galaxy SII. SII was an amazing phone. A great bump in performance and screen size for me after Galaxy Ace. Also SII had the sweet Ice Cream Sandwich. It also got updated to Jelly Bean (4.1.2). Then I made the switch to Galaxy SIII. Which at the time of my purchase still had the same software 4.1.2. Now, it didn’t feel like a huge upgrade in terms of how my phone looked. Except a couple of add-ons the software was similar. Then a 4.2.2 was leaked around the same time when Google released 4.3 and I updated to it, hoping it would bring some fresh change but it wasn’t much. And it had bugs too. I waited for the bugs to be fixed but then Samsung announced that they are skipping 4.2.2 for SIII and will directly update it to 4.3. I was kind of sad but it was good to know that it was getting updated to 4.3. Though when the actual update came out, this was around the time Google announced KitKat, it was again filled with bugs. Now, that wasn’t a leak that was the official update from Samsung and then they stopped the update temporarily to fix the bugs. They released one more 4.3 update after addressing those bugs from previous one but this one had more. And those never got addressed. Then Samsung announced that the international version of SIII, the one I had, will not receive upgrade to Android 4.4 as 1 GB RAM is not enough to run Samsung customizations smoothly. But the versions with 2GB RAM will receive the updates. Some people appreciated Samsung for actually working on to release an upgrade for a device that was out of the conventional upgrade period. But those people need to evaluate the facts that SIII was the company’s most successful phone. Also when you see the timeline of when the updates were released you realise that every update was released almost around 6 months of announcement from Google.
After being fed up with their update system I made the switch to Nexus 5. Even though I haven’t received any major updates, the vanilla android experience itself has been pretty great. And when I compared it to a GS5 running 4.4, I was even more happy. The time to time lag on S5 when switching between apps or the app opening speed or the lag when opening the recent app menu, they all just make me a little bit happier that I am not a Samsung customer anymore.

I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
The N5 test slower on AnTuTu and Quadrant than the S4, however the N5 is a ton faster than the S4 on everything that I do, for screen scrooling, to app launching, to web sites loading, everything.
The N5 simply leaves the S4 in the dust.
I'm very impressed so far, and happy about the switch.
I still have the S4 as a backup if needed.
Fred

Fred98TJ said:
I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
Fred
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Benchmarks don't come into play. they sure as hell don't prove the speed and performance we get on nexus.
about those soft-keys. this what I recently did.
installed LMT
disabled navigation bar
I am running stock on ART. so no xposed module for me

WeandDroid said:
Benchmarks don't come into play. they sure as hell don't prove the speed and performance we get on nexus.
about those soft-keys. this what I recently did.
installed LMT
disabled navigation bar
I am running stock on ART. so no xposed module for me
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What's LMT?
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Flooney said:
What's LMT?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150
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Fred98TJ said:
I just switched from the Samsung S4 to the N% a few weeks ago.
Even though the screen sizes are the "Same" the N5 has a little less usable space because of the soft keys. The S4 has keys below the screen.
No big deal for me though.
The N5 test slower on AnTuTu and Quadrant than the S4, however the N5 is a ton faster than the S4 on everything that I do, for screen scrooling, to app launching, to web sites loading, everything.
The N5 simply leaves the S4 in the dust.
I'm very impressed so far, and happy about the switch.
I still have the S4 as a backup if needed.
Fred
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there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark

Kippui said:
there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark
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samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better. thats why many rooted nexus 5 users flash different dalviks/bionics. the sgs4 can not beat a nexus running custom dalvik/bionic as well.
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what if you wanted to switch two years ago? you'd still be with Samsung

Kippui said:
there is no way a snapdragon 600 can beat a snapdragon 800 in any benchmark
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The S4 does score better than a non-rooted N5.
"samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better."
HOWEVER, in real world use my N5 runs circles around my S4.
Fred

Fred98TJ said:
The S4 does score better than a non-rooted N5.
"samsung devices come with custom dalvik/bionic by default, the nexus does not. becuse it includes a custom dalvik/bionic it scores better."
HOWEVER, in real world use my N5 runs circles around my S4.
Fred
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circles isnt even the right word. my n5 plays in a professional league while my s4 is still TRYING to get onto a minor league team.

WeandDroid said:
Hello everyone
I have written a new blog post about my experience with samsung and why I switched from it. Have a look and feel free to comment and share your experience
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Why couldn't you post your thoughts here? You make people click your link instead.

Another useless post.
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TheCybertronian said:
Another useless post.
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Ironic because you made a useless comment.
On topic: Yeah, I switched from an S3 and was extremely happy. I used to really enjoy touch wiz because of a couple of features but the sluggishness of the phone was getting on my nervous. I flashed a stable built of CM, which wasn't great because that had some pretty serious bugs which annoyed me also. Then the N5 came out and I decided to buy and I am very happy with the experience.

I like nexus 5 but I'm dying to go back to Samsung but i know if i get the galaxy s5 I'll be dying to get back my nexus 5
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My fiance and I also just ditched Verizon and switched to n5's from s4's. Couldn't be happier. I love Verizon's network but they are overpriced and lock everything down. We are in stl so T-Mobile works just as well.
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WeandDroid said:
Hello everyone
I have written a new blog post about my experience with samsung and why I switched from it. Have a look and feel free to comment and share your experience
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Nice post, I think it sums up a lot of users' feelings too. I've never owned a Samsung phone - I started with nexus and have only used nexus since and i couldn't be happier. Between getting major updates first and the rich development community, you have very little limitations with these phones. I just hope that if Google kills the nexus line like they're rumored to, that they still deliver the same experience with future GPE devices (currently, GPE devices are not on par with the nexus line in my opinion).
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Speaking as a former Galaxy S3 T-Mobile owner, I had to stay that Knox software and bootloader locking is what finally made me give up on the Galaxy series. The Nexus 5 on my opinion is a developer phone and a guideline of what other companies should follow. I'd rather not pay to own hardware that doesn't let me use it in the way I want. Plus no matter how you looked at it TouchWiz was insanely slow because of all the extra features, some of which most people would never use.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

bblzd said:
Why couldn't you post your thoughts here? You make people click your link instead.
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Changed that now.

ARTvsDalvik
Next post, both here and on my blog will be ARTvsDalvik. And not just in terms of speed.

I appreciate your positive feedback for this device but there is no necessity for a user review of a device which is almost 6 months old. Thread closed

"L" Preview Source drop includes Nexus 7 (2012)

Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/

Just want a stock rooted "L" rom so the N7 can feel revived.

bpickard said:
Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
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Yessss, official support is sweet.

Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us

L yea Google, this is awesome!

erica_renee said:
My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
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Agreed. I had to remove all the apps I don't use regularly to have reasonable speed performance.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?

Yeah definitely.
There is an updated device tree (updated directly by Google of course); that seems to indicate the arrival of L builds for the Grouper.

gsmyth said:
Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
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I think they will, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the GPL parts of the source. If they weren't working on it they wouldn't have to.

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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Ha I have a Moto G and that makes the nexus7 2012 seem slow, ill need to start using my optimus 2x to make the nexus 7 seem good again

On N4 Thread...
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A new version of L LPV81 was leaked on development site for a few minutes and guess what, Nexus4 was there.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?

This is great news for the nexus program seeing the 18 months update principle is not set in stone. Will be interesting to see art on stock for the 2012 n7.

dione1200 said:
Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
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No it's Grouper. I think someone made a photoshop xD

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.

darkchazz said:
That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.

I also have a moto g and a stock nexus 7. The phone is way faster. Probably you're right about f2fs and that does the trick.

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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
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f2fs masks the horrid IO problems on the Tegra 3 a little, but if you do much, lag. Optimized software can only help with bad hardware so much.
All-f2fs... Honestly, nonsense IMO. Data and cache, yes. System? Useless.
Personally I'm really tired of my Nexus 7 2012's lag. It was a fast device when I first got it but once I started installing stuff on it and it got filled a bit, it's lagged ever since. If I nuke it completely, fast again. So I could remove a bunch of apps or stuff, or use it slow.. Oh well.
AOKP 4.4.4, data f2fs, m-kernal a69, in case you're curious. And yes I greenify apps which can' t behave and run themselves etc.

I could really use a point in the right direction about making my 2012 16GB WiFi model faster. It's had CM10, CM11 and now bone stock 4.4.4 on it and it's a all a lagfest compared to my N5.
If there is anything at all I can do, i'm all ear's. I see something above about F2FS but I don't come here often (ever, actually) so I have no idea what that means.

Skip N6 and wait for the Note 4 to get a GPE rom

So with so much bad press on the nexus 6, its looking more and more like ifs worth waiting for the Note 4 to get a GPE style rom and ditch all that sammy junk and have a way better phone than a nexus 6 for slightly less cash in the longrun ?
The nexus 6 reports :
Letters falling out the back
Average battery life
Screen burn in
Average camera
Bad avalibility worldwide
Units with flaking paint
Units with bad software
Lollipop just being buggy
Turbo chatging being as efficent as turning your phone off to charge
I mean really is mitorola just trolling us with the nexus 6 ???

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hutzdani said:
So with so much bad press on the nexus 6, its looking more and more like ifs worth waiting for the Note 4 to get a GPE style rom and ditch all that sammy junk and have a way better phone than a nexus 6 for slightly less cash in the longrun ?
The nexus 6 reports :
Letters falling out the back
Average battery life
Screen burn in
Average camera
Bad avalibility worldwide
Units with flaking paint
Units with bad software
Lollipop just being buggy
Turbo chatging being as efficent as turning your phone off to charge
I mean really is mitorola just trolling us with the nexus 6 ???
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Letters falling out the back-- thats happened to how many people? maybe 10-20? thats not an issue.
Average battery life-- ive seen a minimal of 6 hours screen on time since i got the n6.
Screen burn in-- it can happen to any device, particularly amoled screens. this early is very uncommon. btw, note 4, amoled screen as well.
Average camera-- its much better than an average smartphone user knows.
Bad avalibility worldwide-- ok, with this ill agree. but its still a very new device as well.
Units with flaking paint-- i havent seen nor read of any real complaints.
Units with bad software-- att units only, the ones with a locked sim.
Lollipop just being buggy-- everything starts off buggy, then it get fixed with time.
Turbo chatging being as efficent as turning your phone off to charge-- not true. my n6 was taking in 2400mV at 60% battery. ive never ever seen so much going into a phone. my nexus 5 takes in 1200mV, max. you also have to remember, the battery is much bigger, so itll take more time filling it as well.

hutzdani said:
So with so much bad press on the nexus 6, its looking more and more like ifs worth waiting for the Note 4 to get a GPE style rom and ditch all that sammy junk and have a way better phone than a nexus 6 for slightly less cash in the longrun ?
The nexus 6 reports :
Letters falling out the back
Average battery life
Screen burn in
Average camera
Bad avalibility worldwide
Units with flaking paint
Units with bad software
Lollipop just being buggy
Turbo chatging being as efficent as turning your phone off to charge
I mean really is mitorola just trolling us with the nexus 6 ???
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I don't think it is Motorola trolling us

Lol!

Have fun fitting a square peg into a round hole.
That's my analogy with AOSP running on Sammy devices. Always one thing wrong.

hutzdani said:
So with so much bad press on the nexus 6, its looking more and more like ifs worth waiting for the Note 4 to get a GPE style rom and ditch all that sammy junk and have a way better phone than a nexus 6 for slightly less cash in the longrun ?
The nexus 6 reports :
Letters falling out the back
Average battery life
Screen burn in
Average camera
Bad avalibility worldwide
Units with flaking paint
Units with bad software
Lollipop just being buggy
Turbo chatging being as efficent as turning your phone off to charge
I mean really is mitorola just trolling us with the nexus 6 ???
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Are you retarted! GPE devices weren't built with stock Android in mind. Stock Android doesn't fully utilize the unsupported and proprietary hardware found on GPE devices. A proper Nexus ALWAYS gets Android updates first and yeah, only the N6's that were desecrated by AT&T are having bugs. True Nexus aficionados know better than to get violated/crippled Nexus devices from the wireless carriers.
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SilkyJohnson said:
Have fun fitting a square peg into a round hole.
That's my analogy with AOSP running on Sammy devices. Always one thing wrong.
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Even AOSP isn't the full Google experience that Google intends for mobile devices. There exists some Google proprietary software that only the Nexus devices get.

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Are you retarted! GPE devices weren't built with stock Android in mind. Stock Android doesn't fully utilize the unsupported and proprietary hardware found on GPE devices. A proper Nexus ALWAYS gets Android updates first and yeah, only the N6's that were desecrated by AT&T are having bugs. True Nexus aficionados know better than to get violated/crippled Nexus devices from the wireless carriers.
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Even AOSP isn't the full Google experience that Google intends for mobile devices. There exists some Google proprietary software that only the Nexus devices get.
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Nah im not retarded im just not willkng fork out almost 600 pounds on a **** phone, there are better options about that you can go and buy andndont have a small list if faults qith them and google new buggy OS on them.
Id get a note 4 after dome seirous consideration but i dobt want physicsl keys or any samsung **** software ill never use.
Phones are turning out like video games these days, and you cany patch hardware issues so im reluctant to get such an expensive device with a good chance thay it will look like **** in a months time.
And if the nexus 6 is as slow as my N5 is with 5.0 currently ill definalty wait for 5.1 and re worked nexus 6 hardwear

Lol gtfo haha

Note 4 is not getting GPE ROM. With any luck, the S5 will.
What the Note will get is a buggy AOSP ROM with incomplete camera and sensor support.

My at&t has been flawless from day one. The few things they did were easily remedied. I've literally had none of the issues you listed off. It's like flipping out over iPhone Bendgate when like 2 people reported it. When things are manufactured in mass, not every single piece is going to be perfect or get caught before they go out. Regardless of what you paid for it.

Sometimes you got to take a step back from the forums and just see for yourself. We are very small but vocal group.
I got caught up in the reviews and reading the threads and was almost turned off by the Nexus.
But after buying it I'm not looking back. I'm pretty dang satisfied.
My screen has no burn in. No letters falling off the back, or flaking paint, or battery acid leaking out or whatever else folks come up with.
My battery life is pretty average. And there are a few kinks that need to be worked out but I'm sure that's expected with a brand new phone running new software.
I love the Note 4. Test drove it for a few days and was very impressed. But I hate touchwiz. And can't play that game waiting for development.

The people reporting these issues are definitely the extremely vocal minority.

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The people reporting these issues are definitely the extremely vocal minority.
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Further, go read Note4 boards and there's issues. There is no perfect phone.

If you want to look for things to complain about re: a phone - any phone - you will find them. I'm extremely happy with my N6 and I suspect many others feel the same way.

Perhaps the OP would be better off with an iPhone.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

Yikes, I couldn't wish that on anybody ... lol

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Note 4 is not getting GPE ROM. With any luck, the S5 will.
What the Note will get is a buggy AOSP ROM with incomplete camera and sensor support.
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just give it time

Really the M8 before the turbo?

My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.

sal_shawn said:
My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.
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Ok.

sal_shawn said:
My fiances m8 got lollipop before the turbo. The reason I got this phone was this phone was supposed to get lollipop and the battery. I am so disappointed I will never get another Motorola phone.
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http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/171490729222?lpid=82&chn=ps&varId=470546673204
Problem solved! Mods feel free to lock this as it is now resolved!

Perfectly content to wait for bug free 5.1

Depends on what is important to you in a phone. I am always amazed to see people itching for the next update, etc, but honestly, if you always want the latest "greatest" (Personally, I cannot stand all the white in Lollipop), perhaps you will be disappointed in the Turbo. Perhaps once Vzw "approves" (like they have any power in that equation really) the update, it will be flawless, but i wouldnt hold my breath. As far as HTC goes, I can say I have never used an HTC phone with the same signal quality as its Moto counterpart. (Moto knows antennae/signal like no other) Also, If you read up on the Moto Maxx Lollipop update, it isn't too great. @adrenalyne can attest to that. Honestly, the real reason to be upset with a Turbo is the lack of bootloader unlock, as that would motivate Cyanogenmod to create a base that would translate to buttloads of Lollipop roms with the capability to return to stock KK Moto, am option you will not have once it updates as the keys do not allow reverting. Then, you would have the capability to experience it, realize it is not all its cracked up to be yet, and go happily back to where you are now. I know I went back to OSE KK happily from the best motox/droid ultra/maxx lollipop roms. the x8 architechture makes these newer moto phones amazing,(notice how Active Display does not kill your battery) but also has been the reason Lollipop has taken this long for those (msm8960dt) phones. Its hard to be patient, but I assure you, you aren't missing too much. and once you get lollipop, you will be stuck with it, for better or for worse.

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http://m.ebay.com/itm/like/171490729222?lpid=82&chn=ps&varId=470546673204
Problem solved! Mods feel free to lock this as it is now resolved!
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Actually, no, that's a GSM phone. If they're using the Turbo, they're likely on Verizon.

Not Motos fault
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Ok.
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You act like this is even 1% motos fault and not Verizon (the biggest sticklers known to man.). If I remember right moto said awhile ago that the update had been delivered to VZW for inspection, but Verizon is so terrified that somebody might (gasp) root their phone that they hang onto it until they are pretty positive that there is no simple root method available

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You act like this is even 1% motos fault and not Verizon (the biggest sticklers known to man.). If I remember right moto said awhile ago that the update had been delivered to VZW for inspection, but Verizon is so terrified that somebody might (gasp) root their phone that they hang onto it until they are pretty positive that there is no simple root method available
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You got all that about me from word eh?
I am impressed!

Verizon is not necessarily to blame. They have approved update for the HTC and Samsung phones. I don't know why we haven't received the update. It seems people that have it aren't all that impressed and some are unhappy. Droid-Life days lollipop is a buggy mess. But I don't think we can blindly blame Verizon since they have approved it for other phones. That said... Don't buy a phone anticipating an update.
Sent from my Droid Turbo using Tapatalk

The source code for Lollipop has been out over 4 months now. It's absolutely ridiculous that this phone does not have Lollipop yet. It has a near stock android version and a widely used chipset. Samsung, HTC, and LG have ALL updated their skinned versions of android already. I don't care who's fault it is - Verizon or Moto - all that matters is that somebody screwed up with this delay. If we had an unlocked bootloader, we would already have Lollipop thanks to unpaid devs. My old phone and tablet are both running Lollipop thanks to these devs I speak of. This is the last time I buy a phone with a fully locked down bootloader and no hope of root. I just couldn't resist that battery!

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The source code for Lollipop has been out over 4 months now. It's absolutely ridiculous that this phone does not have Lollipop yet. It has a near stock android version and a widely used chipset. Samsung, HTC, and LG have ALL updated their skinned versions of android already. I don't care who's fault it is - Verizon or Moto - all that matters is that somebody screwed up with this delay. If we had an unlocked bootloader, we would already have Lollipop thanks to unpaid devs. My old phone and tablet are both running Lollipop thanks to these devs I speak of. This is the last time I buy a phone with a fully locked down bootloader and no hope of root. I just couldn't resist that battery!
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All the Roms are buggy as hell with some major issues from what I have read. The way I look at it is better to have a smooth os then the newest buggy os.
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All the Roms are buggy as hell with some major issues from what I have read. The way I look at it is better to have a smooth os then the newest buggy os.
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The "it's still buggy" argument seems to be the general response when people like me are getting impatient. And while that does hold some truth, I think 5.0.2 has fixed most of the major issues. I'm running CM12 based on 5.0.2 on my Galaxy S4 and my Asus Tablet, and they both are running well now. There were some issues when the nightlies first came out, but 5.0.2 seems to be pretty stable now depending on what hardware you have.

https://plus.google.com/101651363550089117949/posts/UgxKuJxEEgo
Maybe good news? 5.1 for turbo? Maybe we get when nexus 6 is for sale at vzw?
I realize it could be untrue since it didn't come directly from moto or Verizon but interesting nonetheless.

Moral of the story? Buy a phone(or any product) for what it offers AT THAT TIME.

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Moral of the story? Buy a phone(or any product) for what it offers AT THAT TIME.
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Or you can believe an advertised feature of the device being "Upgradeable to Lollipop" as listed in the original press release for the Droid Turbo. (link) Moral of the story for me is not to trust OEMs when they make upgrade promises. Sure they didn't give a specific timeframe when they promised Lollipop for the Turbo, but 4+ months after official release of source code is a joke.

There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.

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There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.
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Galaxy S5.

Character Zero said:
There isn't a phone on Verizon with Lollipop and VoLTE (Advanced Calling) so the DT is not behind yet.
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Are you sure? I think you are wrong.
Here's the Advanced Calling list for Verizon. LG G3 is on the list and several users got Lollipop from Verizon.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Several LG G3 users since February 23 have reported Lollipop update being available to them. NO, they were not part of soak test.
Verizon’s LG G3 Reported To Be In The Process of Getting Android 5.0.1 Lollipop Update
http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...ss-getting-android-5-0-1-lollipop-update.html
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Hmm ok I forgot about Galaxy S5. Didn't know LG G3 update ws avaialable to everyone.

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Hmm ok I forgot about Galaxy S5. Didn't know LG G3 update ws avaialable to everyone.
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I'm not sure it is available for everyone. On further research may be a very slow rollout. But some people are getting it...