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Why you shouldn't wait for a better phone

Despite every single phone that has came out in the history of cellular phones, not once has a "perfect" phone been created. The logic that people use the majority of the time for holding off on the latest flagship is ALWAYS flawed.
What people need to realize is that its pointless to wait for the next big thing when it comes to cell phones. The features that cell phones have are a matter of designer preference, with input from the population. The problem is that just like anything else, there's going to be a majority, and a minority. The majority get their features, the minority doesn't. People tend to be so hard on these manufacturers for design choices, spec choices, etc., but what they don't understand, you can't please everyone, so why are you expecting them to?
If you are due for an upgrade, and this phone is somewhat appealing to you, just buy it. Spare yourself the months of bitxhing about your current phone while you wait for a new phone. Because I guarantee that when that phone comes out that you think is perfect, a better phone will come out 3-6 months later, and you'll be kicking yourself for jumping the gun.
At the current rate technology is evolving, there is no sense in "waiting around" for a better phone, because there's always going to be a better phone. Get it?
Those who are getting the Note 4, enjoy. You're going to own a powerhouse of a phone.

Galaxy note2 was, and is, a perfect phone.

Bruce lee roy said:
Galaxy note2 was, and is, a perfect phone.
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Please provide me with facts to back this up? Facts that won't be contested by anyone. I'm waiting.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There is no way to factually prove an opinion. You can only provide evidence to support your opinion. I tell my wife that I'm the perfect man. I even give her evidence but at the end of the day she points out that everyone is entitled to their opinions. It's just that mine happen to be wrong.

yup..the new nexus is coming..next year we will have the s6, g4 and god knows what else

There is ALWAYS a better tech phone coming soon.
Kicking Deuce on the Beast, Note 3

hello00 said:
yup..the new nexus is coming..next year we will have the s6, g4 and god knows what else
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Try the iPhone 7 :laugh:
6s users will be like, wtf, I should have waited :good:
Then the 7s comes, 7 users will be like,"Man! I should have waited!".
It's a never-ending struggle

The Black Droid said:
Try the iPhone 7 :laugh:
6s users will be like, wtf, I should have waited :good:
Then the 7s comes, 7 users will be like,"Man! I should have waited!".
It's a never-ending struggle
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yup..im getting the note 4 this friday..if the nexus x seems better i will exchange it until another new phone comes out..trying to keep up with the technology :good:

hello00 said:
yup..im getting the note 4 this friday..if the nexus x seems better i will exchange it until another new phone comes out..trying to keep up with the technology :good:
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I'm rocking a Galaxy Nexus. Just a hunch that the Note 4 is a worthy improvement

I trialed using my galaxy nexus in the interim waiting on Note 4 to arrive (sold off my Note 3 early)....I lasted about 3 days before I decided I couldn't handle that old thing. Definitely time to upgrade.

The Black Droid said:
I'm rocking a Galaxy Nexus. Just a hunch that the Note 4 is a worthy improvement
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Lol absolutely. This phone has the best hardware I've ever used. And no doubt the software will get better. And i hope that comes soon with custom recovery being cooked up. I am getting a significant amount of lag. It's bad. I've wiped once and disabled S-voice yet still it lags 10-20% of the time. Especially when using keyboard ( tested on multiple keyboards) There is no way I'm the only one experiencing this lol if anyone has any tips...Please share with me.

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I'm rocking a Galaxy Nexus. Just a hunch that the Note 4 is a worthy improvement
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if u are coming from a nexus, why arent u waiting for the new nexus?

johnchad14 said:
I trialed using my galaxy nexus in the interim waiting on Note 4 to arrive (sold off my Note 3 early)....I lasted about 3 days before I decided I couldn't handle that old thing. Definitely time to upgrade.
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In my opinion, it's one of the older ones that still runs decently. Most likely due to all the support from Google.

True the tech is evolving so much, there is a 'better' phone every 2 months. But that doesn't mean note 4 will be classified as old anytime soon. And by the time it does, i am sure most of the people have already switched/thinking about switching their phone.
And I am gonna upgrade from galaxy ace..so a very big upgrade for me:. Maybe my tab will be left almost unused now

hello00 said:
if u are coming from a nexus, why arent u waiting for the new nexus?
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I am pretty business oriented nowadays, and I've always liked the old palm pilots. I'm getting this phone for it's display size and stylus..and, because my Gnex only holds a charge for 10-12 hours tops.

I pretty much agree. If it ain't the camera, it's the battery life, so on and so forth.
Folks have to live with compromise, no way around it. You can wait for the next best one that will upgrade something but you will still live with compromises.

Bruce lee roy said:
Galaxy note2 was, and is, a perfect phone.
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yep i agree. the only reason that i am thinking of getting the note 4 (on pre-order as I have until tomorrow to decide) is because of the Samsung promotion. i might as well get value for my htc sensation (current trade in value is $11) and there will come a time when my note 2 becomes non-functional

I think we've reached a point now where the marginal improvement is going to be lower for each generation.
Moore's Law has ended. The cost per transistor for SOCs is lowest at 28nm. 20nm will mean higher costs per transistor. At the same time, the marginal performance gain per node will probably drop, while the capital costs for the next node are rising. EUV and 450mm wafers are problem plagued. This in turn, limits performance potential. That means only architectural improvements are possible. Perhaps they could make bigger dies, although this might cost more. That said, with margins for smartphones still high at the high end, large dies might be practical.
Cameras are probably at their limit now for reasons of physics. Only way to make them better is to make them bigger, which is what Nokia has done. It will never rival a DSLR though.
There's limited room for improvement in terms of performance too because of heat and battery life.
On that note, one area for potential improvement might be battery life. It will mean transitioning from lithium ion batteries though.
Speakers might be an area for improvement for Samsung (something like what HTC has done), but otherwise there's limited room for improvement.
Internal storage may benefit from 3D NAND, but it seems like SSDs progress is slowing, so it's inevitable that phone progress in this front will too. SD cards will also be affected.
We will probably see some improvement in terms of display technology. Amoled is now high end a pixel density that the Pentile is not a drawback, and perhaps the Blue subpixel will be given more life. Perhaps we will see better daylight visibility too and more efficient Amoled technology. This might improve battery life somewhat. Otherwise, we are near a very good display - high enough PPI not to be annoying, bright enough to be relatively visible in sunlight (according to Displaymate), well calibrated, and with lower power consumption then the previous generation.
64 bit processing might lead to more performance and take advantage of a lot of RAM. It'll be a while though before software takes advantage of it. Heck, most mobile software cannot yet take advantage of all 4 cores on a phone.
I could see some things like water proofing get added as well. But beyond that, what else is there on the horizon?
Bruce lee roy said:
Galaxy note2 was, and is, a perfect phone.
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I agree to an extent. Perhaps in its day it was arguably the best phone that could have been realistically been built.
Amoled was pretty good for its day, especially in movie mode and the Pentile because it was partial RGB, was not a huge issue despite the low pixel density
Good camera, with only the Nokia camera phones coming out on top
Pretty good battery life Wolfson DAC, providing very high quality audio out
Pretty good speakers
Exynos SOC was the best for its day, although Apple did with its PowerVR series have a stronger GPU
Qualcomm radio was pretty good at holding a signal, as was quality of call.
Only flaw was that Samsung did not release full documentation. The Exynos problems have hampered AOSP development.
No other major flaws (ex: like the Galaxy S and the GPS problem).
For it's day, it was perhaps the best phone that could have been made.

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Lol absolutely. This phone has the best hardware I've ever used. And no doubt the software will get better. And i hope that comes soon with custom recovery being cooked up. I am getting a significant amount of lag. It's bad. I've wiped once and disabled S-voice yet still it lags 10-20% of the time. Especially when using keyboard ( tested on multiple keyboards) There is no way I'm the only one experiencing this lol if anyone has any tips...Please share with me.
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You aren't running xposed and are rooted by any chance?
If so install Wanam Exposed and tick the box in the advanced section to fix S-Health, that fixed my lag issues

Just restored my iphone 5 to factory defaults and got it unlocked from AT&T. Now it's time to list it on eBay and wait impatiently for my note 4 to arrive tomorrow! The whole waiting for a better phone, that's why I did the Next 12 plan with AT&T, cause I just might want a new one in a year.

Need feedback...

I'm currently looking into the Droid Turbo as I need options on a new phone. My Note 4 has been replaced twice, on my third phone with horrible screen issues. Had the iP6+, really bad screens and iOS sucks. Came from a year with the Moto X and it served me well, but bad battery life and bad burn-in forced me to get a new phone.
Needless to say, I'm limited on phone choices currently. I originally looked at the Turbo when it came out but the lack of brightness and no voice/data turned me off. But since it got the AC 1.0 update, that's a step in the right direction. I've also been told that the brightness issue has been resolved as well, but no one can seem to confirm it.
So, those of you that have had the Turbo, would you buy it again? How's the real battery life? Voice/data working great? How about screen issues, as far as discoloration or uniformity?
Thanks!

32 hours on, 4 hours of screen on time.. Still have 26% remaining. No regrets.

Anyone else?

I am really loving this phone. I had a couple small complaints, but they were patched with the last update. Battery life is awesome. Simultaneous voice and data working now. The screen is gorgeous. I would definitely buy again .If you need any more convincing watch this. His reviews are always spot on.

Battery life is phenomonal

I can't use voice and data and I took the update, tried it just last night.

Coming from a Galaxy S3... both me and my wife. Both of us are very happy. Screen is plenty bright. Not seeing any obvious screen uniformity issues... I haven't been "looking" for them, but I tend to notice things like that quickly, so it's good enough, at least. Battery life is far better than the S3, as expected... I guess I'm not a heavy user in that sense. Certainly would recommend this device (or the MotoX).

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I can't use voice and data and I took the update, tried it just last night.
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Have you enabled HD Calling? It won't work until you have done that.

Non HD call quality with Advanced Calling enabled is a little quirky. The last update addressed all the issues mentioned in early reviews AFAICT. I get 33 hours battery life on average and 4 1/2 hours screen on.
Definitely would buy again.
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My wife and I also came from the S3 and we love this phone, no regrets at all.

I am very happy with mine. I see no issues related to screen brightness. VOLTE and data work just fine. I did have a speaker issue with my first device, which was among the first batch produced. I had it replaced with one from a newer batch and have had no issues thus far. If you are particular about your devices, I think there are few options that are "perfect" in their quality control. The devices are too complicated, with too may features, to expect that they will all leave the factory perfect.

Thinking of jumping ship?? (6plus to N6)

Hi guys, I'm currently using a jailbroken iPhone 6 plus, and I'm thinking about jumping to the nexus 6. Had many android phones before. There are some things thought that I've read, and are bothering me! So I thought I'd ask a few questions..
Are the pink screen & screen burn a common issue with the nexus 6?
How's the battery life? Does it have a battery saver mode similar to the Sony Xperia's range?.
Is the camera really that poor?
Are there any build quality problems?
Cheers for your time guys.
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Hi guys, I'm currently using a jailbroken iPhone 6 plus, and I'm thinking about jumping to the nexus 6. Had many android phones before. There are some things thought that I've read, and are bothering me! So I thought I'd ask a few questions..
Are the pink screen & screen burn a common issue with the nexus 6?
How's the battery life? Does it have a battery saver mode similar to the Sony Xperia's range?.
Is the camera really that poor?
Are there any build quality problems?
Cheers for your time guys.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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This is my first Nexus phone and I don't have any of the issues that are discussed here. Battery life, for the way I use the phone, I can typically get 2 days from a charge. Even under heavy usage I have never had to charge mid day.... Heavy usage will still leave me with 40 to 50 % in the evening. I don't typically leave it on the charger over night but there are other that do.
I guess it depends a lot on what you do to the phone, haven't unlocked or rooted it yet so not much to mess it up. I had 1 random reboot after about 155 hours of uptime so I try to reboot a couple times a week. All in all I am pleased with the phone... just my 2 cents..

gibbo82 said:
Hi guys, I'm currently using a jailbroken iPhone 6 plus, and I'm thinking about jumping to the nexus 6. Had many android phones before. There are some things thought that I've read, and are bothering me! So I thought I'd ask a few questions..
Are the pink screen & screen burn a common issue with the nexus 6?
How's the battery life? Does it have a battery saver mode similar to the Sony Xperia's range?.
Is the camera really that poor?
Are there any build quality problems?
Cheers for your time guys.
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1) screen burn I've never seen but it in theory is possible
2) pink screen is a bi-product of setting your brightness to minimum whilst on auto. Its because its not possible to be that dim without dampening the white. It isn't an issue. Its just not possible to be that dim and also be whiye
3) great, surprisingly
4) yes, android lollipop has a battery saver built in by default
5) like any camera on a phone it won't make an amazing photographer out of a crap one. That said, the camera is fantastic. Look at some of our shots in the general thread for posting photos
6) not for me but surely there will be some as there is on every single thing ever made. Ever..

gibbo82 said:
Hi guys, I'm currently using a jailbroken iPhone 6 plus, and I'm thinking about jumping to the nexus 6. Had many android phones before. There are some things thought that I've read, and are bothering me! So I thought I'd ask a few questions..
Are the pink screen & screen burn a common issue with the nexus 6?
How's the battery life? Does it have a battery saver mode similar to the Sony Xperia's range?.
Is the camera really that poor?
Are there any build quality problems?
Cheers for your time guys.
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1) yes it's common
2) I hear stock kernel battery is ok not very good. but if you use custom kernel it will be increased alot.
3) camera is good in sunny outside. but still slower auto-focus comparing to iphone or Samsung. In low light, auto focus is just pure terrible.
3) only build quality issue I have is vibrator rattle. And mine is fine but i see alot of uneven color on the screen. I ended up turning off all vibration setting. Motorola in general don't know how to make phones right.

Do you guys think it's a worthy replacement for my iPhone 6 plus?
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gibbo82 said:
Do you guys think it's a worthy replacement for my iPhone 6 plus?
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Difficult question to answer. Many of us would put most android phones above the iPhone. Especially here where we are the type of people who like to customise their phones massively. Even a jail broken iPhone pails in comparison to the options available to rooted users here. I don't want to put words in everyone's mouths but iPhone are restricted massively.
You would probably get better answers on an android user forum instead of a specialist android developer forum.
From a usage point of view, you may miss slow mo if you use it. Other than that, I personally feel that the n6 p*sses all over the 6 plus - but that is completely subjective. Who knows how much you'll even like android versus iOS

Well if this were a straightforward which should you buy question, without a doubt I would immediately say Nexus 6, however you've already spent a gajillion pounds/ dollars on your, actually brilliant (regardless of whatever fanboys say) iPhone 6+, and there is nothing at all bad about the 6+, the one fault for me is the fact that it only has 1GB of ram and iOS 8 needs 2gb for certain functions, but saying that, iOS 9 is set to be an optimisation update (like jelly bean or kitkat were for android) to reduce junk code, legacy code and unnecessary stuff rather than just chunking on extra stuff , and they really want to iron out the kinks, so I think that once that comes out your iPhone 6+ will be both super fast as it is already but pages and apps will last linger in the ram, so if that's a non issue or you don't mind waiting for that update then you're golden with your current handset. Most android apps are available on iPhone and run pretty much the same, some things even launch faster on an iPhone than they do on a nexus, of course the advantages of a nexus are that even out of the box you can customise far more than you can on an iPhone even with jailbreak. For me that's a non issue, when I was a few years younger I loved to do weird and whacky things with my droids and jb idevices, but now I just want stable, working, fast devices, I love my nexus 6 and wouldn't trade it for any other handset out there, but if I had an iPhone 6+ I would be over the moon with that too and wouldn't even bother with jailbreak as I just love it to work well and iPhones work really well, if you are really desperate to have an android device you could get a nexus 9 or nexus 7(2013) and have the best of both worlds and save a little cash.
While you have iPhone, check out Garage band, the infinity blade games, pixelmator and similar apps that are exclusive to iOS. Don't change over until next year's nexus phone is released, that's my advice, the iPhone is great and will only get better with iOS 9.
I hope this helps.
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brilliant (regardless of whatever fanboys say) iPhone 6+
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A couple of points...
1) yes the iPhone may be a good phone for many. For me, it just doesn't do much of what I want. That doesnt make me a fanboy.
2)
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rootSU said:
A couple of points...
1) yes the iPhone may be a good phone for many. For me, it just doesn't do much of what I want. That doesnt make me a fanboy.
2)
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True but you're a minority, my advice was to someone who doesn't live and breathe coding and developing, people with your highly respected talents would probably either never touch an iPhone or would spend their days eating caviar with Musclenerd and Geohot
To the majority of the tech-savvy population there is no big reason why iOS cannot fulfill all of their needs. Netflix, Facebook, instagram, photography, video editing, gaming etc is pretty much all the same across both systems, it's only the specific kind of power-user that usually also tends to be an android fanboy and/or a developer that cannot settle for an iPhone to meet their usage needs. Sure I'd always recommend android over iOS unless the person really needed a simple device however my impression is that if this guy is asking the question, he doesn't NEED the dev friendly capabilities of an android device (or he wouldn't need to ask) and therefore to buy a £600ish phone when he already has a recently released £600ish phone is just a complete waste of money, even if he were to sell one for the other, the losses incurred are probably not even worth it. If it was an iPhone 5S, however, I'd say jump
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Thanks for your feedback guys, I'll give it some thought
P.s how bad is the screen burn?
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Thanks for your feedback guys, I'll give it some thought
P.s how bad is the screen burn?
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what screen burn? ive had mine since november, and no screen burn.

Same, no screenburn whatsoever here and I use my device constantly - the soft buttons, battery icon etc have not burnt in at all. It's like asking "how bad is the 6+ bending?" A few people had the problem with the first batch of phones and it got blown out of proportion.
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Thanks for your feedback guys, I'll give it some thought
P.s how bad is the screen burn?
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I dont think any of us said screenburn was an issue

Or just do what I did and keep both.
Actually be careful here or you will wind up with a drawer full of phones, sim card adapters, cutters, a laptop dedicated to customization, the list goes on and on. The wife acceptance factor isn't the greatest but when the alternatives are thrown on the table(drinking, spending much more money on pro sports tickets or tools, you know "man things") they usually back off.

gibbo82 said:
Hi guys, I'm currently using a jailbroken iPhone 6 plus, and I'm thinking about jumping to the nexus 6. Had many android phones before. There are some things thought that I've read, and are bothering me! So I thought I'd ask a few questions..
Are the pink screen & screen burn a common issue with the nexus 6?
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These are not issues at all.
How's the battery life? Does it have a battery saver mode similar to the Sony Xperia's range?.
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Battery life is excellent. It goes into power save mode when the battery level drops low. I don't know anything about sony phones.
Is the camera really that poor?
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Camera is excellent, easily beats the one in your current phone.
Are there any build quality problems?
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Nope.

I agree except that the 6+ has a better camera but the differences are negligible. You can snap a great shot on both though.
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I agree except that the 6+ has a better camera but the differences are negligible. You can snap a great shot on both though.
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All the BLIND tests (only sane way to compare when the devices are so polarizing) result in Nexus 6 besting apple by a landslide.

this will most likely be my last nexus device

i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.

You sure something isn't wrong with your device?
My Nexus 6 pretty much smokes the Galaxy S6 I had in terms of smoothness.
Battery life is pretty good but does leave something to be desired, but remember.. this screen is huge and it takes some power to push all the pixels on this huge Quad HD screen. On top of that, we are still in the early days of phones having Quad HD displays. I think some software updates will help with battery life in the future.

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i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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You need to root install benzo as a rom and either zen, vindicator or hells as your kernel

ford12acing said:
i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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Sure, the heavier the OEM layer is the faster the device will be, this is common knowledge. Please hold on to this feeling and get another device. We have plenty of winers allready :silly:

I was also very disappointed with the battery life of my Nexus 6. It was then giving me some major problems (It would turn off very frequently and not turn on until it was plugged in, even at 100% battery). I then RMA'd it and my replacement Nexus 6 has way better battery life (5+ SOT instead of 3 or less). I'd recommend RMA'ing it if you're having issues because this phone is blazing fast and a great device.

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I was also very disappointed with the battery life of my Nexus 6. It was then giving me some major problems (It would turn off very frequently and not turn on until it was plugged in, even at 100% battery). I then RMA'd it and my replacement Nexus 6 has way better battery life (5+ SOT instead of 3 or less). I'd recommend RMA'ing it if you're having issues because this phone is blazing fast and a great device.
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Try rooting the phone and use for instance Greenify or Servicely to slumber apps/services when they are not needed. A custom kernel stretches batterylife too in my xperience.

1. Mine isn't slow at all, it's as fast if not faster than the G3.
2. Why are you expecting Wi-Fi calling?
3. *shrug* my experience is completely different
4. I don't know what people are doing to get poor battery life with this phone. I've done no optimizations and I work 8-10hrs while my phone is jumping between poor 3G/LTE. I unplug around 8am and get home with usually 60% battery left.
5. What do I think? This isn't the phone for you. Enjoy your Samsung. If you haven't tried the G3, you should.

Don't take this in the wrong way, but did we need another thread on this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-worst-phone-google-t3094624
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-issues-thread-t2946743
You said you're on Sprint so:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/nexus-6-sprint-users-thread-t2949996
You also could have posted here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/google-nexus-6-t3077130
Thanks.

OP,
Don't really know what to say to you, other than my experience was the complete opposite. I had the Note 4 for exactly 2 days before I got sick of the lag, bloat, and ridiculously cluttered settings page and returned it. My N6 is so fast that it's becoming annoying to use my 2nd gen ipad because of how slow it it.

jiv101 said:
You need to root install benzo as a rom and either zen, vindicator or hells as your kernel
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Stock is quite speedy unencrypted.

i've got my phone rooted, but im not going to install a custom rom or kernel. i love android over ios, but im just disappointed with this device. As far as the g3, i've messed around with the device and it too lags. i had a g2 and it lags as well. actually speedwise, i would say my n6 is on par with my old g2, which was crap. yeah samsung has bloatware, and i used a different launcher because i couldn't stand touchwiz, but man, im surprised that out of the box, it ran faster than my nexus 6. my tab s 8.4, which i just upgraded to lollipop, that also has touchwiz, is running significantly faster than my nexus 6. it's pretty unbelievable that a bloatware loaded version of android is running better than vanilla android. sometimes when im doing a google search, and the phone just freezes. sometimes i open an app, and it literally takes two minutes to open. doesn't happen all the time, but enough to be a nuisance.
i've been loading custom roms on my phones since the old galaxy s days, but im no longer doing that. too many issues with stability, battery life, etc. you shouldn't HAVE to load a custom rom just to have a decently running device.

ford12acing said:
i currently own the nexus six, which i've had since march. my previous experience with the nexus line was the galaxy nexus on verizon (which we all know was severely handicapped by verizon). i had a note 4 on sprint before i switched to the nexus 6 because i was sick of the slow updates. 1) the nexus 6 is slow. it completely lags when doing simple searches and opening apps. 2) updates are great, but still missing wifi calling. 3) i just updated my tab s 8.4 to lollipop 5.0 and it SMOKES my nexus. seriously what gives? why is this phone so slow? im currently on the latest update and i'm really disappointed. 4) the battery life is TERRIBLE. i dont think i've ever had a phone with such poor battery life. i'm thinking this is going to be the last nexus i ever get. with the note 4 i had expandable storage and a removable battery. what are your guys' thoughts? how happy are you with your nexus? i can't believe touchwiz is faster than vanilla android. im in complete disbelief.
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When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.

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When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.
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i think may statements have been misconstrued. i don't like bloatware, and i do like quick updates. the features i do miss are microsd slots (i still think it's stupid for google to not include them on the nexus - set yourself apart from apple), and removable batteries. i wanted wifi calling because the nexus 6 is supposed to have it (at least on tmobile) by the end of q1, still not here)
don't misconstrue this either, i hate apple, but ios comes encrypted out the box, and it doesn't lag like this. has google not found a way to keep up with apple? so i have to sacrifice the security of encryption in order to compete with a crappy iphone?
btw, my galaxy nexus got better battery life than mine nexus 6.

ford12acing said:
i think may statements have been misconstrued. i don't like bloatware, and i do like quick updates. the features i do miss are microsd slots (i still think it's stupid for google to not include them on the nexus - set yourself apart from apple), and removable batteries. i wanted wifi calling because the nexus 6 is supposed to have it (at least on tmobile) by the end of q1, still not here)
don't misconstrue this either, i hate apple, but ios comes encrypted out the box, and it doesn't lag like this. has google not found a way to keep up with apple? so i have to sacrifice the security of encryption in order to compete with a crappy iphone?
btw, my galaxy nexus got better battery life than mine nexus 6.
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Yeah but you knew it didn't have an sd slot when you bought it. So if thats a reason to dislike it and you still bought it, you will have to blame yourself.
The wifi calling is a shortcoming of Tmo. Google had no intentions of writing that by themselves.
iPhone does very little I/O work. Of course encryption doesn't affect it. That said, you could have found a solution here to run encrypted with better performance too. You never looked it would seem. My daughter has an iPhone 6. I see nothing fast about it. Smooth, though Im sure some of it is covered up by long animations.
If your Gnex got better battery life than your Nexus 6, one of two things are happening here:
1. You are lying
2. This is a troll thread.

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When I read things like this, I see someone who got the Nexus 6, didn't like the device itself, and therefore nitpicked it to death to the point of convincing themselves of getting a new device.
1. Its encrypted by default. Encryption is always a trade off in performance (moreso on the N6), and your Tab isn't encrypted. A simple fix and a wipe was all that was needed.
2. You bought a Nexus knowing you wouldn't have carrier niceties. I think you missed this very important point and found out you like carrier additions.
3. See number 1.
4. Sure you have, the Galaxy Nexus. That said, you gave no details on your carrier, signal, battery usage, SOT, or anything else. You aren't looking for a solution, just a reason to get out.
Touchwiz is not faster than vanilla. Never has been, never will be for obvious reasons.
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yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.

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Yeah but you knew it didn't have an sd slot when you bought it. So if thats a reason to dislike it and you still bought it, you will have to blame yourself.
The wifi calling is a shortcoming of Tmo. Google had no intentions of writing that by themselves.
iPhone does very little I/O work. Of course encryption doesn't affect it. That said, you could have found a solution here to run encrypted with better performance too. You never looked it would seem. My daughter has an iPhone 6. I see nothing fast about it. Smooth, though Im sure some of it is covered up by long animations.
If your Gnex got better battery life than your Nexus 6, one of two things are happening here:
1. You are lying
2. This is a troll thread.
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rofl, you assume im trolling/lying when i'm down to 37% by 12pm? right. god forbird i check emails, make phone calls, and listen to music/podcasts via bluetooth in my car. im constantly tethered to a portable charger because of this.
i knew it didn't have a microsd slot, i thought it was a worthy tradeoff for vanilla android and timely updates.
wifi calling IS a shortcoming of google, they were working with tmobile to implement it, and are going to use it with project fi. perhaps if you weren't a pretentious know it all, you would have taken 10 seconds to look that up.
if you think i'm just trollling, then pass on through buddy. im not sitting here begging for your advice or comments.

ford12acing said:
yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.
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1. Again, you did nothing to fix the issue. You can get better performance from encryption as well. My Turbo had no discernible performance hit encrypted, so that should be a clue to you it can be remedied.
2. Project FI has diddly squat to do with Tmobile's Wifi calling, which again requires Tmobile to get it done. Blame the Nexus of course.
3. Put them on equal footing and decrypt your data. No? Then don't make claims like this.
4. The thunderbolt would die within 4 hours of medium use on LTE. The Gnex in 6-8. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and tell you your hardware is messed up, though I doubt you have zero interest in hearing that.
PS. Have you ever looked in your cache? It spends 95% of its life empty. What did you hope to accomplish by clearing it?

ford12acing said:
rofl, you assume im trolling/lying when i'm down to 37% by 12pm? right. god forbird i check emails, make phone calls, and listen to music/podcasts via bluetooth in my car. im constantly tethered to a portable charger because of this.
i knew it didn't have a microsd slot, i thought it was a worthy tradeoff for vanilla android and timely updates.
wifi calling IS a shortcoming of google, they were working with tmobile to implement it, and are going to use it with project fi. perhaps if you weren't a pretentious know it all, you would have taken 10 seconds to look that up.
if you think i'm just trollling, then pass on through buddy. im not sitting here begging for your advice or comments.
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Yet you posted in multiple threads ont he same subject. Sounds like attention seeking to me.

ford12acing said:
yeah, i don't like the device itself. why? because it's slow and has poor battery life.
1) i understand my tab s is not encrypted. i hate apple and will never buy anything from them, but iphones are encrypted out the box, and do not have issues like the nexus
2) the nexus 6 is supposed to have wifi calling by the end of q1 (im on tmobile). this is not a carrier nicety, but also a huge feature for google's own project fi.
3) encrypted or not, to the typical user, out the box, there is a marked difference between "touchwiz" and vanilla android. sorry, you can give the excuse that its encrypted, but this lag is unacceptable.
4) this device has worse battery life than my galaxy nexus. i would say battery life is worse than my thunderbolt from years ago. i reboot the phone several times a day, and i clear all the apps from my cache several times a day as well.
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You just solved your own battery dilemma. 1) stop rebooting so much. I do it once every 24 hours.
2) stop clearing app cache so frequently. Each time you reopen the app, it has to rebuild cache, thus using more battery.
Bonus) Signal strength and reliability play a huge roll on battery life.
My Nexus is 100% stock, locked, and encrypted. I achieve 5 to 6 SOT with heavy use, everyday. I experience zero noticeable lag other than in Chrome. The Chrome lag is Chrome related, not Nexus related.
Have you ever tried greenify? Do you use the Facebook application? (Notorious battery drain) How many apps do you have auto-syncing? Is your location set to high battery use? Can you post screenshots of your horrible battery life? Evidence, please.

A Mod should close this thread. This OP is disgruntled because he spent his hard earned cash on something he doesn't like. It happens, sure, but why must you frustrate other people on this forum? My advice, stop arguing on a forum thread about a moot point and just sell your phone for something else.

Verizon Phone Upgrade: LG G4 or Nexus 6?

Hello all,
I have an upgrade to use with Verizon. Currently on the S5 and can't stand the fact there's no development cause of locked BS Samsung crap. Just wondering if I should get an "older" phone like the N6 or try out the G4 (they tend to get unlocked within a couple months). Want to get away form Touchjizz and Sammy thanks to Verizon. Any comments would be appreciated!

I recently purchased the Nexus 6 on Verizon and I'm extremely happy. I also have an active Note 4 and now never use it. I'm having so much fun flashing ROMs and customizing the device (wood back covers, etc) that being 6 months old doesnt bother me. I'll wait for the next Nexus before upgrading again.
Also, this is the only device that I've purchased from Verizon that came with ZERO bloat. Literally nothing. Even AT&T crapped that up. It doesn't make great use of Verizon's Advanced Calling feature (native video calling) but who cares. VoLTE works.

Obviously get the G4. Nexus devices have subpar battery life

dicecuber said:
Obviously get the note 4. Nexus devices have subpar battery life
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Dude, i have almost never seen a postive comment of you about phones in multiple forums. Why do you always endup with the wrong phones and do you even have a Nexus 6?
That said both devices are awesome but very different. The G4 has a swapable battery, external sd card support up to 2TB, a superb camera wich some find even better then that of the Galaxy S6 and a gorgeous screen. Batterylife will be a bit better than de N6`s but the N6 is a developer phone with many choices of roms, kernels, and mods too choose from. The Nexus 6 has a good screen but in full sunlight sometimes not very clear, the speakers are great, its superfluid with no lags and in daily use a very good phone to use and it kind of grows on you
I recommend the 64GB version as there is no sdcard slot and the battery is not swapable and the speakers are very good imo.
So both have things going for them, best is to play with both in real life in a shop if you can and see wich one feels best for you.

@gee2012, am I lying about the battery life?
Nexus are great besides that and the camera

dicecuber said:
@gee2012, am I lying about the battery life?
Nexus are great besides that and the camera
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I never call other users liars bro, i just noticed your name and it reminded me of the negative comments you used to post about the last years N5 i believe. But enough about that, the batttery gets me through the day and have about 4-4,5 hrs. screenontime wich is sufficient for me. Its not Note 4 and certainly not Ascend Mate 7 figures but enough for me It varies depending on settings and usage per user. The camera shoots pretty descent shots with sufficient light and lowlight with HDR+ isn`t bad either for me, but again not Galaxy S6 or even LG G3 quality.

Dennisg34 said:
Hello all,
I have an upgrade to use with Verizon. Currently on the S5 and can't stand the fact there's no development cause of locked BS Samsung crap. Just wondering if I should get an "older" phone like the N6 or try out the G4 (they tend to get unlocked within a couple months). Want to get away form Touchjizz and Sammy thanks to Verizon. Any comments would be appreciated!
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It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.

backdown00 said:
It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.
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I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.

semperfi123 said:
I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.
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Can you link any websites showing the adreno 418 being worse than the 420? I did some fast googling and although there's not a lot of info it seems the 418 is as powerful as the 420 if not slightly more edging it out and is also made on a smaller die 20nm vs 28nm.

backdown00 said:
Can you link any websites showing the adreno 418 being worse than the 420? I did some fast googling and although there's not a lot of info it seems the 418 is as powerful as the 420 if not slightly more edging it out and is also made on a smaller die 20nm vs 28nm.
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From Anandtech: "In terms of graphics performance, the Adreno 418 is apparently 20% faster than the Adreno 330...and the Adreno 420 itself is something like 40% faster than Adreno 330"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015

semperfi123 said:
From Anandtech: "In terms of graphics performance, the Adreno 418 is apparently 20% faster than the Adreno 330...and the Adreno 420 itself is something like 40% faster than Adreno 330"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015
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Ahh I kept googling adreno 420 vs 418. I should been looking at 418 vs 330. Thank you for this!

gee2012 said:
I never call other users liars bro, i just noticed your name and it reminded me of the negative comments you used to post about the last years N5 i believe. But enough about that, the batttery gets me through the day and have about 4-4,5 hrs. screenontime wich is sufficient for me. Its not Note 4 and certainly not Ascend Mate 7 figures but enough for me It varies depending on settings and usage per user. The camera shoots pretty descent shots with sufficient light and lowlight with HDR+ isn`t bad either for me, but again not Galaxy S6 or even LG G3 quality.
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backdown00 said:
It depends whats important to you. The newest hardware of the lg g4 or the openness of the nexus 6 software. Most devices by today's standards do not lag or show much stuttering when doing basic tasks such as texting, emailing,calling, surfing the internet, etc. It comes down to what you plan on doing with the phone. Will gaming be an option? Are you looking for a top of the line Camera? Once you figure that out, the choice becomes clear.
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semperfi123 said:
I think that lag is actually a very underrated issue with devices today. The G3 definitely lagged, and my S5 lagged horribly. Even the Note 4 isn't completely lag-free. However it does seem that reviewers haven't noticed any stutter in the G4, which is a good sign.
OP, one other thing to be aware of is that while the CPU in the 808 found in the G4 edges out the 805 found in the Nexus 6 the GPU in the 808 is significantly weaker than that of the 805. Otherwise I'm sure the G4 will be a great device. The camera will certainly be better than the N6's, and battery life should be comparable.
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Ed Murray said:
I recently purchased the Nexus 6 on Verizon and I'm extremely happy. I also have an active Note 4 and now never use it. I'm having so much fun flashing ROMs and customizing the device (wood back covers, etc) that being 6 months old doesnt bother me. I'll wait for the next Nexus before upgrading again.
Also, this is the only device that I've purchased from Verizon that came with ZERO bloat. Literally nothing. Even AT&T crapped that up. It doesn't make great use of Verizon's Advanced Calling feature (native video calling) but who cares. VoLTE works.
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Thanks everyone for your input! I would be using the camera more than gaming. Only gaming I do is the occasional w/e game while I'm taking care of business lol. Nexus was thrown in here because of all the development it has right now. I might be leaning towards the G4 just with all the extras it has and the phenomenal camera and it will still be faster than my S5. I own it, and yeah it does have some lag still. Can't stand Touchwhiz anymore and the lack of development thanks to their boost in security. Not sure why the last several Nexuses weren't removable batteries. Just an OCD thing on my part as well as external storage.

Yes Samsung phones have become harder to ROM, root, etc, unless you Go for T-Mobile/international and even then its not great.
If you plan on using the camera often, take it from a Nexus 6, Note 4 user - check out the G4.
That's my suggestion, good luck in your decision
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Thanks everyone for your input! I would be using the camera more than gaming. Only gaming I do is the occasional w/e game while I'm taking care of business lol. Nexus was thrown in here because of all the development it has right now. I might be leaning towards the G4 just with all the extras it has and the phenomenal camera and it will still be faster than my S5. I own it, and yeah it does have some lag still. Can't stand Touchwhiz anymore and the lack of development thanks to their boost in security. Not sure why the last several Nexuses weren't removable batteries. Just an OCD thing on my part as well as external storage.
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