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Hey guys just got my galaxy note 2 days ago. And i've noticed the battery is insanely terrible. I don't know if this is normal among all galaxy note users but well i'll post the pics and let you decide. Basically my Galaxy note sits on my table doing nothing while i use my galaxy s2. So i doubt its due to me fiddling with it.
Please i beg of you someone help me perhaps changing my kernel or something, from what i see alot of the kernels are unstable. Thanks a bunch guys the pics have been attached btw.
Looking at the image, you do have WiFi and constantly with roughly half the time with the phone awake, whether you use it or not just having the WiFi switched on is gonna have an affect on the battery.
Looks like something is keeping your phone awake. If your phone sits there and does nothing with the screen off, I got almost 2 days out of it.
Plus is your phone rooted or stock?
indie said:
Looks like something is keeping your phone awake. If your phone sits there and does nothing with the screen off, I got almost 2 days out of it.
Plus is your phone rooted or stock?
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My phone is completely stock FOB
Ah ok that reminds me i saw a video on youtube a few guys said that the galaxy note if running on wifi really slams the battery. Ok noted.
Also one more issue i have an app killer running on my phone if you noticed at the top. Once in a while i clear the memory and it says i got like 500+mb of free memory, then for some reason later when i power on the phone and clear memory again it says i only got like 200+mb of free memory. The usage of memory seems to fluctuate randomly any idea on this?
You could try and download betterbatterystats and see what is keeping your phone from sleeping. The pictures you put up suggest that your phone is not sleeping during standby.
100% wifi fault, install GreenPower and your problems will be gone.
One more thing to disable is the voice talk wake up command:
Double click the home button, press menu then settings, scroll to "Wake up Command" and if it's enabled disable it.
after making those two changes I've gone from 8 hours of moderate use to almost 20.
Good luck!
kamale said:
My phone is completely stock FOB
Ah ok that reminds me i saw a video on youtube a few guys said that the galaxy note if running on wifi really slams the battery. Ok noted.
Also one more issue i have an app killer running on my phone if you noticed at the top. Once in a while i clear the memory and it says i got like 500+mb of free memory, then for some reason later when i power on the phone and clear memory again it says i only got like 200+mb of free memory. The usage of memory seems to fluctuate randomly any idea on this?
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WHY are you using an app killer? The result is that it (the app killer) kills your open apps and then Android will start them up again, and it will use more battery since it has to start apps over and over again. What's the point of having 1GB RAM if you're not going to use it?!
Android can manage the RAM itself. Android is not Windows.
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mfractal said:
100% wifi fault, install GreenPower and your problems will be gone.
One more thing to disable is the voice talk wake up command:
Double click the home button, press menu then settings, scroll to "Wake up Command" and if it's enabled disable it.
after making those two changes I've gone from 8 hours of moderate use to almost 20.
Good luck!
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WHY are you using an app killer? The result is that it (the app killer) kills your open apps and then Android will start them up again, and it will use more battery since it has to start apps over and over again. What's the point of having 1GB RAM if you're not going to use it?!
Android can manage the RAM itself. Android is not Windows.
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Thank you very much my friends, my utmost gratitude. Will be running with no wifi, no app killer, no wake up command from that voice thing and with green power premium on. Shall see the improvements today, i must add galaxy note is such a beautiful piece of art.
Yeah, sorry about sounding like an ass, but i'm just sick of people using app killers when they don't need to
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Yeah, sorry about sounding like an ass, but i'm just sick of people using app killers when they don't need to
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No worries, it was well delivered and its a good slap to noobs like me to learn things quick LOL
If i ever decide to flash kernel and get a rom, any suggestions?
Let us know how it worked out
My HD+ of late has become more and more sluggish and sometimes becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. It hangs when opening an app, a book or while browsing the web. I am using the updated stock 2.1. Checking the RAM, I was surprised to see free RAM as low as 80MB. Killing apps running in the background does not help much. The internal memory is only 40% full. I am at a loss to understand what is going on. Has anybody else noticed this ? Should I wipe it clean and start again ? My device is not rooted. Any advice regarding backing up would be helpful.
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PeeAM
I ran into this, but seemed to be due to going under 3gb of storage. The HD+ does not seem to like going under that.
maybe uninstall some questionable apps
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My HD+ of late has become more and more sluggish and sometimes becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. It hangs when opening an app, a book or while browsing the web. I am using the updated stock 2.1. Checking the RAM, I was surprised to see free RAM as low as 80MB. Killing apps running in the background does not help much. The internal memory is only 40% full. I am at a loss to understand what is going on. Has anybody else noticed this ? Should I wipe it clean and start again ? My device is not rooted. Any advice regarding backing up would be helpful.
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PeeAM
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I was having similar issue so I started looking at apps that weren't exactly Nook approved. I removed an HD wallpaper app and my Nook was healed.
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I was having similar issue so I started looking at apps that weren't exactly Nook approved. I removed an HD wallpaper app and my Nook was healed.
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Same, but for me it was my launcher (Apex). Try other ones out there.
I just saw lag on my swift key keyboard for the first time. I'm using apex too.
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I just saw lag on my swift key keyboard for the first time. I'm using apex too.
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I am using Nova launcher from day 1 and the performance has deteriorated over time, so I cannot blame it. It could be an app hogging the memory. I have to kill a lot of processes to make it functional. I routinely get the message about the program not responding irrespective of which app I have opened. Even the browser (chrome, ICS) just crashes.
So after booting up my new HD+ for the first time today, and letting it update to 2.1, it was extremely slow... Slower than my 600mhz HTC aria. I tried rebooting again and installing apex. i have google sync disabled.
Then I force stopped "Home" and cleared its data. The tablet runs better, even when using B&N Home launcher.
its still not as fast as the dual core should be. I wish there was a way to reduce or disable animations in developer options.
I may try CM10.1
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So after booting up my new HD+ for the first time today, and letting it update to 2.1, it was extremely slow... Slower than my 600mhz HTC aria. I tried rebooting again and installing apex. i have google sync disabled.
Then I force stopped "Home" and cleared its data. The tablet runs better, even when using B&N Home launcher.
its still not as fast as the dual core should be. I wish there was a way to reduce or disable animations in developer options.
I may try CM10.1
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I'll add my name to those seeing lag since the update to 2.1. I'll try this and see if I get improvment. Anyone have any idea why this might be happening?
My tablet is running at a more satisfactory speed since I froze/disabled a bunch of bn apps, ditched apex, and use lightning launcher/zeam with full!screen. I also used spareparts+ to set animation transitions to fast.
Just don't make the mistake I made first of uninstalling twitter or chrome. All your hard work will reset.
I may make a symlinked build prop and play with this.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=40961
It worked on my htc one s with similar specs.
So I adjusted the heapgrowthlimit and heapsize.
The stock settings were at 96M and 160M respectively. I don't know what they were pre-2.1
I changed a symlinked buildprop to 64 and 384.
So it feels a bit snappier. Could be placebo, but it's definitely not slower. If anyone else tries adjusting these let me know what you think.
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So I adjusted the heapgrowthlimit and heapsize.
The stock settings were at 96M and 160M respectively. I don't know what they were pre-2.1
I changed a symlinked buildprop to 64 and 384.
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I checked and found verygreen's CM10.1 rom (emmc) has 64 and 256. It is very snappy.
It's not apple to apple comparison as CM10.1 is based on Android 4.2.2.
I'm surprised stock has only 160M though.
The killer for me is the library sync process. I disabled the app, but it still does its thing. When a game or app slows down, it is when the sync starts. It is random, but should only be when the device is turned on, or when content is changed. The way they set it up makes no sense.
Restarting the device still shows the app disabled, but still syncs.
There also appears to be a lag that happens and is only fixed by a restart, but that is not as common as the sync issue.
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The killer for me is the library sync process. I disabled the app, but it still does its thing. When a game or app slows down, it is when the sync starts.
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That is one of the reasons that led me to replace the stock rom with CM10.1 on emmc. It is much better than the stock rom...
I really do not need that library having both Google Play and Amazon App store. I also have the Nook App which works just fine with CM10.1.
Even after clearing cashe and removing large data games, my HD+ was still acting sluggish. Based on the apps running in the background, no rogue apps seems to be causing it. No games beyond small ones were playing smooth and would randomly studder. Flash content also was making the device run very hot.
I boxed the HD+ up for return. Not sure what the issue is, but probably is 2.1, since the chipset should be fine. I might exchange for another and start from scratch with 10.1... Not sure at the moment. Were it not for the lag and odd heat issues, I would keep the device. Perhaps 10.1 is the answer, but
my return window ends soon.
I feel bad, since when I first got the device, it worked fine and doubted people that said the lag is there and common. They were right and I was wrong, so would be nice if 10.1 fixes the issues.
Added: Though my Excite 7.7 is a lot faster overall, I miss the HD+ display already.
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No games beyond small ones were playing smooth and would randomly studder. Flash content also was making the device run very hot.
Added: Though my Excite 7.7 is a lot faster overall, I miss the HD+ display already.
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I was able to play Dungeon Hunter 4 on CM10.1 and it seems to be okay. Web browsing is also very smooth. Flash does make it quite hot but same as my HTC Amaze Android phone so I'm used to it.
However, The HD+ is definitely not perfect, once in a long while (maybe like once in 2-3 days) the touch UI may become unresponsive.
That can be fixed by turning off and turning back on the display. Also I had screen flickering in settings screen(black background) under CM10.1 RC2. I have since flashed the latest RC4 and the flickering is gone. I have not tested it long enough to see if it still has the same UI problem.
Sorry for your bad experience. I am keeping the HD+ for myself but would not buy it for gifts because I know it has some issues that are not easy to fix without modification. And not everyone wants or has time to mod a tablet.
Update:
Just ran another Vellamo HTML5 benchmark and scored 1899 with CM10.1 RC4...very impressive.
On stock it was 1378 and I had 1379 on Nexus 7. Of course, benchmark may not be 100% indicative of daily operations.
Web browsing seems to be at least on par with Nexus 7, though. With the bigger screen it is definitely a more pleasant experience.
It seems that there is a big difference in benchmarks and actual performance, at least for some individual devices. I tried everything including CM10, orginal stock and the latest stock. Each time it would be fine initially and then gradually slow down to become unresponsive. I 'killed' processes, background apps frequently to make it usable but that ought not to be the way for regular use. I play no games except occasional spider solitaire. The main use was web browsing and reading books. I also have a samsung 7plus tab which did not suffer from any of these issues and became my go to device. So for now, its THANKS to the developers and goodbye Nook via ebay.
PeeAm
The 4470 for browser marks is faster than the Tegra 3. At least that is what Anandtech shows.
I took mine back to Best Buy, but do miss the display. Played MAME reloaded great. Seems any game that retrieves data on the fly has issues with stuttering with 2.1 at least. The reason I think this, is small games do not have the issue, nor does MAME which loads the games into memory to play. No on the fly data access.
Still tempted to get another and try 10.1 from the start. Even after a reset, 2.1 had the issues with games and other apps where my Excite 7.7 is smooth. In the Nooks defence, the TF300 is not real smooth either. A little better than the Nook HD+, but slower with MAME. Nook ruled with MAME.
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It seems that there is a big difference in benchmarks and actual performance, at least for some individual devices. I tried everything including CM10, orginal stock and the latest stock. PeeAm
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Just curious...did you try CM10 or 10.1. Also did you run it on SD card or emmc?
I didn't like CM10 at all and tried CM10.1 on SD card at first. The SD card performance simply sucks. It is only good for experiments not for any serious usage in my opinion. (Had poor benchmark results worse than stock, too.)
I tried CM10.1 RC2 and RC4 on emmc mainly for reading and web browsing. Both worked great.
Although I was able to play Dungeon Hunter 4, (from the start to boss fight) I believe I get a bit better frame rates on Nexus 7.
It's playable on Nook HD+ at reasonable frame rates but not super fast.(looks much better due to bigger screen)
I did not have any io issues likely because Dungeon Hunter 4 load all contents into memory up front in each area.
When I transition to a different area I did notice a temporary lag---must be from the loading of new data.
There is one trade-off with CM10.1 which is that the free gems supported by ads do not work.
I installed promotional apps but the gems never show up on the Nook HD+. That's not the case with Nexus 7.
I actually started using the Nook HD+ with CM10 on SD. The primary reason for buying it was the active developer community. I chose CM 10 over 10.1 as it was considered more stable than 10.1. Initial experience was great. However, I found that the the stock was better for battery life and for the sleep function with shutting the case. Then I updated the stock with the latest version and gradually the device became slower irrespective of using CM 10 or stock. I did not move to installing CM 10.1 on emmc as by then I had decided to sell the device. Again, not being a 'gamer' the great screen resolution and other specs was less important than battery life and responsiveness on browsing for the way I used the device. Like most things in life, I am sure there is a right 'one' for each one of us.
Battery life for what it was mainly intended (reading stuff and light apps) is great, but playing Flash and 3D games seems to be the main killer. Playing local video was good too. Since I am a gamer to some degree, the stutter from any game that loads data bugged me. No other Android device I have does this. The TF300 has issues with multitasking, but games do not stutter.
I think the issue is 2.1, but perhaps they cut corners with ram and flash speed? This would explain the stutter and the slooow load time for games like Asphalt 7. Even 108mb size pak files for Quake 2 loaded slowly. Almost ten times slower than my other devices. A few seconds or less on the other devices.
I've had some performance issue with my Optimus 2X for a while now. It really seems like a memory problem because let's say I unlock my phone, and just want to swipe the pages, it'll hang there for a couple seconds, then it will swipe the page in a very choppy way. But after a couple swipes (3-4), it becomes normal and fluid. This is just an exemple, often I'll try be doing something on my phone and it'll just take forever to load and it will end up saying "xxxx isn't responding, do you want to close it, WAIT, REPORT, OK". Then I just click wait and everything is fine for a little while.. another exemple: Just now I had my GF send me a text message, I click the txt box to reply and it took close to 10sec for my Swiftkey keyboard to show up.
I had been running CM7 for a while and recently decided I could try other Roms/Kernel and it might just help..A month or so ago I went in Paranoid Android, but if anything the phone was even slower.
Last week I went with CM10. At first the phone seemed more responsive but the more apps I reinstalled and the more widgets I put, it slowly became the same again.
I had some free time today and decided to investigate a little further. First a look in the System Tuner Pro app, I noticed my memory was almost full (<100mb left) right after a fresh reboot! There was about 250mb in use.. Then I looked in my "About Phone" page already and it says I have 342mb of memory! isn't this phone suposed to have 512mb?
Screenshot : http://i.imgur.com/nZNAh6U.png
Well I think this could explain a lot, but wtf is happening to my phone. I can't really tell when exactly the "being slow" started, it seems like it started gradually.
It's been a very frustrating phone in the last couple of months, I decided to end my contract as soon as can get my hand on a Note3, but until then I use my phone a lot.. and need it to work properly.
**edit** : Ok nevermind the 342mb, I searched the forum a little and found out the rest (170mb) is used by the Video Memory. Well, anyway, my phone is slow either way, so hopefully you guys have ideas that could help me, perhaps just tell me tools that could help me find the problem, anything...
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I've had some performance issue with my Optimus 2X for a while now. It really seems like a memory problem because let's say I unlock my phone, and just want to swipe the pages, it'll hang there for a couple seconds, then it will swipe the page in a very choppy way. But after a couple swipes (3-4), it becomes normal and fluid. This is just an exemple, often I'll try be doing something on my phone and it'll just take forever to load and it will end up saying "xxxx isn't responding, do you want to close it, WAIT, REPORT, OK". Then I just click wait and everything is fine for a little while.. another exemple: Just now I had my GF send me a text message, I click the txt box to reply and it took close to 10sec for my Swiftkey keyboard to show up.
I had been running CM7 for a while and recently decided I could try other Roms/Kernel and it might just help..A month or so ago I went in Paranoid Android, but if anything the phone was even slower.
Last week I went with CM10. At first the phone seemed more responsive but the more apps I reinstalled and the more widgets I put, it slowly became the same again.
I had some free time today and decided to investigate a little further. First a look in the System Tuner Pro app, I noticed my memory was almost full (<100mb left) right after a fresh reboot! There was about 250mb in use.. Then I looked in my "About Phone" page already and it says I have 342mb of memory! isn't this phone suposed to have 512mb?
Screenshot : http://i.imgur.com/nZNAh6U.png
Well I think this could explain a lot, but wtf is happening to my phone. I can't really tell when exactly the "being slow" started, it seems like it started gradually.
It's been a very frustrating phone in the last couple of months, I decided to end my contract as soon as can get my hand on a Note3, but until then I use my phone a lot.. and need it to work properly.
**edit** : Ok nevermind the 342mb, I searched the forum a little and found out the rest (170mb) is used by the Video Memory. Well, anyway, my phone is slow either way, so hopefully you guys have ideas that could help me, perhaps just tell me tools that could help me find the problem, anything...
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This is a common problem of our phone due to the low amount of ram, as you said, 512mb, they are simply not enough. Why do you think most recent phones come with 4 time bigger amount of ram (2gb)?
Man, to keep thus old phone responsive, you have to choose the best rom / kernel for you, and setup them for your needs, first find your favourite rom / kernel, I can suggest you what I personally use, therom cm10.2 by tonyp with kowalsky m1 with 32mb ramhack, for me is the best at the moment, but after all, it is a personal choice, there are a lot of good roms. Well, if you want more ram, so multitask, then you have to use a kernel with ramhack, at least 18% ram spended I'm zram, and something like value 60 of swappiness
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Also, I saw you have many notification of apps in your status bar.. This is a phone with a low amount of ram remember it. You seriously can't keep all this app installed, especially if they send you any kind of notification, because if they do it this means they take ram = less ram available = slow phone.
Listen to me. This will surely help you. If you don't still using it, you must try the app GREENIFY, it hibernate, means that if a app takes ram, it will no longer take it = free ram = fast phone!
But if you do it of course you will not receive any notification from it, but it's certainly worth it. What is the sense to multitasking from notification to notification if the switch takes 1 year to do?
For example I greenifyed Facebook, which I don't need in ram as I deactivated any notification service from the app but without GREENIFY it still suck like 45 mb of ram, while doing anything, with greenify it doesn't suck anything! Same thing for Google maps, YouTube, and all other apps that suck memory when I don't need them to, but sometimes I use them so I need to keep them installed, but anyway don't use so many apps that aren't indispensable keeped in ram, because they suck ram, and everything sucks ram sucks the general speed of the phone and a bit of battery remember it. My personal suggestion is when you see that a app that you won't greenify because you need its notification sucks much ram, like 15mb.. 20.. Etc, my suggestion is: unistall it, or if you won't to at least greenify it and use it only when you need to see the app itself, then when you're done greenify it again. and hey, saving ram means that you will save battery too. So speed + multitask + battery. What else?
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Yea it looks worse than it is. Out of the 6 icons on top, there's really just 3 that I use.
3G watchdog to keep track of my data plan
Lux autobrightness
Weather app
The 3 other icons were just
USB debugging cuz the phone was pluged
System tuner pro, was currently recording data so I could analyze my problem.
And the last app I was testing to monitor bandwitdth (turns out it did take to much resource)
Also earlier today I installed a memory manager app named Memory Booster, it did seem to help .. just a little.
But alright, I'll give Greenify a try as well.. it sounds good
edit: So far it looks very good, I've freed much more ram with this. But I accidently hide some apps, anyway to bring them back in the list?
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3G watchdog to keep track of my data plan
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stock android data counter does the good job without using any 3rd party apps...
Greenify worked magic, it's night and day with my phone now, good catch.
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Yea it looks worse than it is. Out of the 6 icons on top, there's really just 3 that I use.
3G watchdog to keep track of my data plan
Lux autobrightness
Weather app
The 3 other icons were just
USB debugging cuz the phone was pluged
System tuner pro, was currently recording data so I could analyze my problem.
And the last app I was testing to monitor bandwitdth (turns out it did take to much resource)
Also earlier today I installed a memory manager app named Memory Booster, it did seem to help .. just a little.
But alright, I'll give Greenify a try as well.. it sounds good
edit: So far it looks very good, I've freed much more ram with this. But I accidently hide some apps, anyway to bring them back in the list?
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If you hide something, just press menu button - show all
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Hey guys,
Long time lurker and follower of the site but my first post and I need some advice-
The screen on the kindle fire HD sometimes becomes unresponsive. The buttons like power and volume still work fine, just the touch screen itself seems to be the issue. It only seems to occur when memory/processor load starts to climb (like it's being dumped for space or something) and I can sometimes, SOMETIMES, hit the power button to lock it and unlock it to gain control again then I have to immediately close out of what ever app I'm in and close all running tasks.
While watching the memory available the lowest I've seen it drop to is around 125mbs and still not have an issue, or maybe it's spotty. Not fully out, but getting there.
This is also unrelated to the power issue I've seen posted, that when it's plugged in it can occur as well. Doesn't seem to care too much if plugged in or not.
This started on stock rom so I flashed it and installed cm11 which has definately improved the problem but not solved it.
So, just polling the minds of people here to see if anyone has a suggestion.
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i had same problem and what i did is i opened battery from the device and inserted its again and did a factory reset on my device
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Removing the battery on the kindle isn't an easy feat. Are we talking about the same device, or did you attempt this on a phone? Because if this worked with the kindle, I am more than happy to put the time into trying but I want to make sure.
Thanks for the reply.
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Hey guys,
Long time lurker and follower of the site but my first post and I need some advice-
The screen on the kindle fire HD sometimes becomes unresponsive. The buttons like power and volume still work fine, just the touch screen itself seems to be the issue. It only seems to occur when memory/processor load starts to climb (like it's being dumped for space or something) and I can sometimes, SOMETIMES, hit the power button to lock it and unlock it to gain control again then I have to immediately close out of what ever app I'm in and close all running tasks.
While watching the memory available the lowest I've seen it drop to is around 125mbs and still not have an issue, or maybe it's spotty. Not fully out, but getting there.
This is also unrelated to the power issue I've seen posted, that when it's plugged in it can occur as well. Doesn't seem to care too much if plugged in or not.
This started on stock rom so I flashed it and installed cm11 which has definately improved the problem but not solved it.
So, just polling the minds of people here to see if anyone has a suggestion.
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This happened to me once...however it was solved with me wiping the whole kindle in recovery(dalvick etc) and flashing the kindology rom.....good luck man :thumbup:
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Seems like I have had that problem before, was because I had to many background processes running. I try to keep my ram so only about 60-70% of it is in use when using it, and I also stopped using dolphin web browser, that is a nice browser but man does it use up a lot of resources. On another note I noticed one time my kindle had around a GB left on the internal storage it started getting sluggish so that's another thing to look out for, but I doubt it's the root of your problems. Kinda find it annoying that android uses as much ram as it does, its based on Linux but on a desktop is on my PC with 2gb of ram, it idles at 20% on Ubuntu(which would be like 40% on a kindle because it has half as much ram), whereas android idles at around 60%.
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itouchables said:
This happened to me once...however it was solved with me wiping the whole kindle in recovery(dalvick etc) and flashing the kindology rom.....good luck man :thumbup:
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I should have read over what kinology was before flashing it.. I'm sure it's a great rom, but I'm wanting something more android-e. Went great though, as far as the install- and thanks for the tip. Worse case I'll have that file to fall back on.
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Seems like I have had that problem before, was because I had to many background processes running. I try to keep my ram so only about 60-70% of it is in use when using it, and I also stopped using dolphin web browser, that is a nice browser but man does it use up a lot of resources. On another note I noticed one time my kindle had around a GB left on the internal storage it started getting sluggish so that's another thing to look out for, but I doubt it's the root of your problems. Kinda find it annoying that android uses as much ram as it does, its based on Linux but on a desktop is on my PC with 2gb of ram, it idles at 20% on Ubuntu(which would be like 40% on a kindle because it has half as much ram), whereas android idles at around 60%.
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As I've been doing a bit more testing trying to figure out what is going on, it does seem to happen more often when under 100~75mg of memory available. Idling now at 550 memory available now, thanks to a few tweaks here and there which has almost erased the problem when doing things like browsing the internet, youtube, netflix, etc. It's just happening now during games. Not as much- but still, in the middle of a game of Kingdom Rush it's a little frustrating to all of sudden have no control. And currently I've still got almost 7 gigs of space available as far as harddrive goes so that doesn't seem to effect it by much (at least for me).
Setting the I/O to noop, overclocking to 1500 (leaving the minimum to 350), and setting the zram compression to 28% were the tweaks. Also having Task Killer by rechild set to kill tasks when screen off has been a great fix when I do lose the touch pad controls as it'll free up some memory when I turn it off, leave it off for a minute, then turn it back on without really interrupting progress in several apps.
Still searching for a true, 100% fix so tips are still welcome and I'll keep everyone posted if I run across anything myself.
I'm a really big fan of the look and feel of this phone, but I have noticed an alarming issue. It reminds me of the original HTC One that only had 1GB of RAM.
If I test it side-by-side with my OnePlus One, LG G3, or Note 4, I get the same results: Clearing all apps from memory and then systematically opening the same apps on both phones, if I multitask back to any of them on the Moto X, they have to completely reload. Every Chrome page reloads, too. I have also noticed that Nova launcher redraws with regularity, even when I check the option to force it to stay in memory.
My question is: Was it this bad on 4.4.4? Or is it a Lollipop issue? Because I updated to 5.0 right out of the box and if rolling it back will fix this, I'm all for it. There's no excuse for apps reloading this frequently on a modern smartphone with 2GB of RAM.
That's a Lollipop issue. No such problems on KitKat.
_MetalHead_ said:
That's a Lollipop issue. No such problems on KitKat.
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Thanks, dude. Looks like I'll be rolling back.
greyhulk said:
Thanks, dude. Looks like I'll be rolling back.
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Yep, no prob. That's why all my devices are still on KK.
Flashed back to Kitkat. Memory management is definitely worse on 5.0, but even 4.4.4 kills apps faster than it should. Even with 1GB available most of the time, apps have to refresh much more often than they should.
Testing Methodology:
Side-by-side with OnePlus One
Open the same 7 apps on both phones (Dialer, Feedly, Reddit Sync Pro, Chrome to androidcentral.com, camera, Nine email client, messaging)
Cycle back and forth between apps using multitasking button on both phones
Observe app reload instances
Results: The OPO NEVER reloads anything. My Moto X will be fine for the first 3 or 4 apps, then it will reload the app completely, including androidcentral.com on Chrome. And if I have multiple tabs open in Chrome, it's worse. Yes, the OPO has 3GB of RAM, but there is still 1GB free on the Moto X when I perform this test, so there's no reason it should be actively killing the apps that quickly.
That being said, it is markedly better than on 5.0. Nova launcher NEVER redraws now, whereas it did constantly before. And I was never even able to cycle between two apps without one of them reloading. Still, I wish it handled memory a little better. This is eerily similar to the issue that plagued the original HTC One and it drove me to sell that phone.
I'm not here to bag on this phone. I'm a huge fan. I just want people to be informed.
greyhulk said:
Flashed back to Kitkat. Memory management is definitely worse on 5.0, but even 4.4.4 kills apps faster than it should. Even with 1GB available most of the time, apps have to refresh much more often than they should.
Testing Methodology:
Side-by-side with OnePlus One
Open the same 7 apps on both phones (Dialer, Feedly, Reddit Sync Pro, Chrome to androidcentral.com, camera, Nine email client, messaging)
Cycle back and forth between apps using multitasking button on both phones
Observe app reload instances
Results: The OPO NEVER reloads anything. My Moto X will be fine for the first 3 or 4 apps, then it will reload the app completely, including androidcentral.com on Chrome. And if I have multiple tabs open in Chrome, it's worse. Yes, the OPO has 3GB of RAM, but there is still 1GB free on the Moto X when I perform this test, so there's no reason it should be actively killing the apps that quickly.
That being said, it is markedly better than on 5.0. Nova launcher NEVER redraws now, whereas it did constantly before. And I was never even able to cycle between two apps without one of them reloading. Still, I wish it handled memory a little better. This is eerily similar to the issue that plagued the original HTC One and it drove me to sell that phone.
I'm not here to bag on this phone. I'm a huge fan. I just want people to be informed.
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Actually WOW. I made same comparison with N5 running 5.0.1. And Moto X is worse.. I'm surprised nobody noticed that fact earlier or in the reviews. If L on X is worse than KK I am definitely not updating. Love that phone, it's such a bummer that memory management is so aggressive.. But it's behavior on KK is little bit wired and different than L. Apps running in the background like for example last pass, are always there. And on L those were the ones to kill in the first place.
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Actually WOW. I made same comparison with N5 running 5.0.1. And Moto X is worse.. I'm surprised nobody noticed that fact earlier or in the reviews. If L on X is worse than KK I am definitely not updating. Love that phone, it's such a bummer that memory management is so aggressive.. But it's behavior on KK is little bit wired and different than L. Apps running in the background like for example last pass, are always there. And on L those were the ones to kill in the first place.
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Thanks for confirming. Usually when I post something like this, people reply and tell me I'm crazy or that their phone "multitasks fine".
Assuming that it's intentional, the only reason I can think Moto would do this is for battery life reasons (so nothing is running in the background draining), since it has a smaller battery. The other possibility is that they did it for the Moto G, which has 1GB of RAM and then just used the same image for both phones for the sake of consistency.
Either way, it's disappointing, especially after using the OPO and seeing the difference side-by-side. Really love this phone, but this bothers me more than it should.
I've noticed L is worse on the X versus my N5 as well. Navigating with maps and playing google music in the car is a nightmare.
Is this supposed to be fixed in 5.1?
I'm surprised not to see more posts about this issue. I've been noticing on my own phone that whenever I launch chrome or Google maps it tends to kill anything else that's running in the background (pocket casts, swipe pad, smart lock, stock launcher, etc.) it basically makes for a pretty unpleasant experience. Does anyone know if this is supposed to be fixed in 5.1?
I can confirm this issue too. Just to add more monitoring tool when you want to check the memory when such thing happens: developer options>>process stats>>duration 1 day>>click on the green bar and note the timing for which the memory was critical. I think the system deems the memory to be critical when it passes 1gb and starts to kill apps in the background. It never used to be like this on 4.4.4.
Please help contribute if you have any knowledge about using these stats.
Edit: i also noticed that during the time the memory was critical, the battery level dropped like a stone from 65%-55%. So i think its all also connected to the battery consumption being too much at times.
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Her'es my figures (phone uptime: only 17h)
Very bad I guess:
CoolRaoul said:
Her'es my figures (phone uptime: only 17h)
Very bad I guess:
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OMG that is pretty bad! Was your phone going wonky at that time? I mean battery life and apps crashing etc
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OMG that is pretty bad! Was your phone going wonky at that time? I mean battery life and apps crashing etc
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No crashes nor battery drain but many launcher restarts.
I've now uninstalled an app ( "Lazy Swipe" which was on the "top" list) and seen a little improvement (no more launcher restart for the last 3 hours)
I plan to investigate a bit further, I may have another potential culprit (HeadsUp which I'm only using in car dock mode but appear to consume a lot of RAM and is running all of the time)
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BTW, I'm not running very memory intensive app like games.
CoolRaoul said:
No crashes nor battery drain but many launcher restarts.
I've now uninstalled an app ( "Lazy Swipe" which was on the "top" list) and seen a little improvement (no more launcher restart for the last 3 hours)
I plan to investigate a bit further, I may have another potential culprit (HeadsUp which I'm only using in car dock mode but appear to consume a lot of RAM and is running all of the time)
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BTW, I'm not running very memory intensive app like games.
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Yeah unfortunately even when there is so much ram and you cant use many apps. I you wish you can report this to motorola on their forum. I have created a thread there: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/115c66d6c7
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After having uninstalled HeadsUp I've noticed a significant boot in responsiveness.
I'm going to keep an eye on memory stats for the next few hours
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After having uninstalled HeadsUp I've noticed a significant boot in responsiveness.
I'm going to keep an eye on memory stats for the next few hours
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I would suggest observing these for a full day without restarting. Then report to motorola. For me it was google plus updates causing the issue with memory. When i uninstalled updates it stopped. So also check the timing for which the apps are running in Application settings>>running. If the time for which the app is running is lesser than the total uptime, it might be your suspect.
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I have created a thread there: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/115c66d6c7
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I was already subscribed to that thread. But since my memory issues are pretty new, I prefer to start investigating by myself