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Hboot 1.57 s-off?

I am wondering is there any way to achive s-off on my phone, I have tried with rumrunner and firewater but no luck.

Depends...do you get the whelp this sucks message on Firewater?
Sent from my HTC One using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

It is chugging through 12 bottles, and I think that it says something like that between every bottle

s0kY said:
It is chugging through 12 bottles, and I think that it says something like that between every bottle
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keep trying with different rom's and kernels, you will get there eventually, a lot of people recommend ARHD 36.?

I have tried with stock rom+elementx kernel(something like that), and with cm11, no luck
ok, I will try that, thanks for the tip

Seanie280672 said:
keep trying with different rom's and kernels, you will get there eventually, a lot of people recommend ARHD 36.?
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Hi,
You mean android revolution HD 36 ?
Where can I find it ?
I see only 31.6 and 71 on this page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2183023

I was trying to download that 31.6(Seanie maybe misspelled) and I couldn't download it because there were no mirrors :/

Any Luck?
I am running hboot 1.57 with viperone 6.2.1 and bulletproof-m7-14-2
dev unlock and rooted of course
rumrunner crashes after test 2.... FATAL: download update version etc....
tried firewater and it hangs all the time...
I have disabled my firewall and installed Superuser & Busybox
The cable is good, battery is at 100%...
I am loosing my mind...
What else can I do?
Finxster

finxster said:
I am running hboot 1.57 with viperone 6.2.1 and bulletproof-m7-14-2
dev unlock and rooted of course
rumrunner crashes after test 2.... FATAL: download update version etc....
tried firewater and it hangs all the time...
I have disabled my firewall and installed Superuser & Busybox
The cable is good, battery is at 100%...
I am loosing my mind...
What else can I do?
Finxster
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If you have exhausted the many combinations for firewater and you are receiving the whelps this sucks message then your another alternative is the paid S-OFF Sunshine.

majmoz said:
If you have exhausted the many combinations for firewater and you are receiving the whelps this sucks message then your another alternative is the paid S-OFF Sunshine.
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Is that a guaranteed s-off? I wouldn't want to waste 25$

It isn't wasted. It does compatibility checks before it does anything. Most important thing is to have stock kernel for it to work

finxster said:
Is that a guaranteed s-off? I wouldn't want to waste 25$
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I don't know about guarantee but I would check with the site to see what they say.

majmoz said:
I don't know about guarantee but I would check with the site to see what they say.
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nateboi81 said:
It isn't wasted. It does compatibility checks before it does anything. Most important thing is to have stock kernel for it to work
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It worked :victory:
Now I am getting no signal.
I changed the CID to 11111111 and flashed a Bell Mobility Nandroid Backup since I intend on using it on Bell... the damned thing doesn't get signal...

Try flashing a newer firmware?

[Guide] HTC ONE Hboot 1.57 Root S-Off Change CID Downgrade Hboot & OS
Search the above phrase on google. The first result should be from the site forums(dot)gsmhosting(com) with the title same as search.
I am a new user so I can't post external links.
I used that guide to achieve S-Off on my HTC One M7 UL with Hboot v. 1.57.
I had to run the final firewater commands several times before firewater launched finally. Enough tries to make me memorize those commands so I stopped copying and pasting them and instead actually typing them. But it worked for me.
I hope it helps.

nateboi81 said:
Try flashing a newer firmware?
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Flashed 6.06.401.1 and didn't help. :S Any other sugestions?
mabaqi said:
[Guide] HTC ONE Hboot 1.57 Root S-Off Change CID Downgrade Hboot & OS
Search the above phrase on google. The first result should be from the site forums(dot)gsmhosting(com) with the title same as search.
I am a new user so I can't post external links.
I used that guide to achieve S-Off on my HTC One M7 UL with Hboot v. 1.57.
I had to run the final firewater commands several times before firewater launched finally. Enough tries to make me memorize those commands so I stopped copying and pasting them and instead actually typing them. But it worked for me.
I hope it helps.
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Thank you but, I did achieve S-OFF already without downgrading and firewater using Sunshine. My problem now is not getting signal only Emergency Calls

finxster said:
Flashed 6.06.401.1 and didn't help. :S Any other sugestions?
My problem now is not getting signal only Emergency Calls
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Have you checked settings to see what network mode is checked? Check each one separately to see which one gives the best results. Auto generally works best! Did you have a GSM or CDMA phone?

[Q] flashing rom s-on

I have an AT&T variant m7 running 4.1.2 and I'm gonna be unlocking, flashing tarp, and rooting. I am looking to install the newest viperone Rom and am wondering if I can do this s-on or not, I've read some stuff that says I have to flash boot.img after and some that says before, and others that say I don't need that step at all! I just wanna get this straightened out so I don't screw up. Any help would be appreciated and if there are any other suggestions I'd be happy to hear them
Thank you.

dirtrider129 said:
I have an AT&T variant m7 running 4.1.2 and I'm gonna be unlocking, flashing tarp, and rooting. I am looking to install the newest viperone Rom and am wondering if I can do this s-on or not, I've read some stuff that says I have to flash boot.img after and some that says before, and others that say I don't need that step at all! I just wanna get this straightened out so I don't screw up. Any help would be appreciated and if there are any other suggestions I'd be happy to hear them
Thank you.
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Get S-off try revone and rumrunner or firewater (don't skip this step)
after your s-off flash the 3.xx.502.x RUU
now flash TWRP 2.6.3.3 and then the ViperOne rom

clsA said:
Get S-off try revone and rumrunner or firewater (don't skip this step)
after your s-off flash the 3.xx.502.x RUU
now flash TWRP 2.6.3.3 and then the ViperOne rom
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So after I unlock bootloader, flash twrp, and root, once I get s-off, do I need to re-flash the stock recovery before flashing RUU, then flash twrp again then flash viper? Also why the RUU, I just want to understand what I'm doing and why. Thank you so much for your help, I'm definitely a noob and am really interested in this world.

dirtrider129 said:
So after I unlock bootloader, flash twrp, and root, once I get s-off, do I need to re-flash the stock recovery before flashing RUU, then flash twrp again then flash viper? Also why the RUU, I just want to understand what I'm doing and why. Thank you so much for your help, I'm definitely a noob and am really interested in this world.
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skip the stock recovery step .. after your s-off you can flash the RUU even unlocked... your flashing the RUU to get your hboot / touch screen drivers and radio more up to date.

clsA said:
skip the stock recovery step .. after your s-off you can flash the RUU even unlocked... your flashing the RUU to get your hboot / touch screen drivers and radio more up to date.
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Oh ok, now I understand. Thanks

clsA said:
skip the stock recovery step .. after your s-off you can flash the RUU even unlocked... your flashing the RUU to get your hboot / touch screen drivers and radio more up to date.
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Once I flash the RUU zip, will I lose root also?

dirtrider129 said:
Once I flash the RUU zip, will I lose root also?
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of course you'll have to re-flash recovery and root again

revone failing
clsA said:
of course you'll have to re-flash recovery and root again
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Ok so I after having a bunch of issues with htcdev site I finally unlocked my bootloader using the kingo program, then I flashed twrp 2633 and rooted although I forgot to erase cache after flashing twrp. At first it didn't boot in recovery, just booted up normally but it worked the second time, after rooting root checker said I didn't have proper root but after rebooting again it says it is rooted. Superuser said I need to update binaries wasn't sure how but I read somewhere to install superSU from playstore. Anyways that's not really my issue, just thought I'd let u know it was goin. When I try running revone, after I run ./revone.bin -P I'm getting revone fail error -6. Coundnt find a strait answer so thought I'd check here. Thanks all and let me know if u need any other info
Dirtrider129

dirtrider129 said:
Ok so I after having a bunch of issues with htcdev site I finally unlocked my bootloader using the kingo program, then I flashed twrp 2633 and rooted although I forgot to erase cache after flashing twrp. At first it didn't boot in recovery, just booted up normally but it worked the second time, after rooting root checker said I didn't have proper root but after rebooting again it says it is rooted. Superuser said I need to update binaries wasn't sure how but I read somewhere to install superSU from playstore. Anyways that's not really my issue, just thought I'd let u know it was goin. When I try running revone, after I run ./revone.bin -P I'm getting revone fail error -6. Coundnt find a strait answer so thought I'd check here. Thanks all and let me know if u need any other info
Dirtrider129
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I'm not sure why you want to S-off. You have now unlocked, changed recovery, and rooted. You can simply download viper one rom and flash it from recovery. You dont need to flash any boot.img for m7. I hope that helps. If you still want to S-off use rumrunner. revone is not supported for bootloader that comes with 4.1.2. Do note that you cannot s-on again once you s-off the device.

coolshritz said:
I'm not sure why you want to S-off. You have now unlocked, changed recovery, and rooted. You can simply download viper one rom and flash it from recovery. You dont need to flash any boot.img for m7. I hope that helps. If you still want to S-off use rumrunner. revone is not supported for bootloader that comes with 4.1.2. Do note that you cannot s-on again once you s-off the device.
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I was getting s-off because I was told to get s-off so I could flash the 3.17 ruu to update my hboot/ touchscreen drivers and radio before flashing viper, which I figured so viper would run smoother. I'm a noob just getting into modding. I have a AT&T HTC one running on crickets new gsm network and since I can't get OTAs I first wanted to just get up to 4.4 and sense 6 but then I figured I'd just go custom Rom.

dirtrider129 said:
I was getting s-off because I was told to get s-off so I could flash the 3.17 ruu to update my hboot/ touchscreen drivers and radio before flashing viper, which I figured so viper would run smoother. I'm a noob just getting into modding. I have a AT&T HTC one running on crickets new gsm network and since I can't get OTAs I first wanted to just get up to 4.4 and sense 6 but then I figured I'd just go custom Rom.
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It is not mandatory to S-Off to flash a rom. Your rom will anyway work in a good way.

clsA said:
skip the stock recovery step .. after your s-off you can flash the RUU even unlocked... your flashing the RUU to get your hboot / touch screen drivers and radio more up to date.
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Well after failing with revone, rumrunner, and firewater I went ahead and flashed viper, and everything was fine. I can't help be bugged by the fact that you told me to get s-off and flash that ruu to get the updated radio and touchscreen drivers, I read that I need a 4.2 Rom to get revone to work so I am gonna give it another try. I tried running firewater with ARHD and it said that it had an anti-firewater patch. So I am just curious as to what the importance of having the updated hboot, radio, and touchscreen drivers. I just feel like I should still get it done since u told me not to skip that step, not to mention later on down the line when I get more familiar with all of this dev and modding stuff I might want to do other things that require a-off. Thanks for all your help and info . Before I continue with it I made a backup of viper with the setting and themes I've set up, after I get s-off and flash the ruu, should I 're-flash the Rom or can I restore my backup with out changing any of the updated software, I didn't think the Rom would have anything to do with it but I just wanna make sure. Thanks

dirtrider129 said:
Well after failing with revone, rumrunner, and firewater I went ahead and flashed viper, and everything was fine. I can't help be bugged by the fact that you told me to get s-off and flash that ruu to get the updated radio and touchscreen drivers, I read that I need a 4.2 Rom to get revone to work so I am gonna give it another try. I tried running firewater with ARHD and it said that it had an anti-firewater patch. So I am just curious as to what the importance of having the updated hboot, radio, and touchscreen drivers. I just feel like I should still get it done since u told me not to skip that step, not to mention later on down the line when I get more familiar with all of this dev and modding stuff I might want to do other things that require a-off. Thanks for all your help and info . Before I continue with it I made a backup of viper with the setting and themes I've set up, after I get s-off and flash the ruu, should I 're-flash the Rom or can I restore my backup with out changing any of the updated software, I didn't think the Rom would have anything to do with it but I just wanna make sure. Thanks
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you can restore your backup with the new firmware
for firewater you needed ARHD + ElementalX kernel
it mark just fine with the ViperOne rom also
Revone only works on hboot 1.44 and android 4.1.2 and/or 4.2.2

clsA said:
you can restore your backup with the new firmware
for firewater you needed ARHD + ElementalX kernel
it mark just fine with the ViperOne rom also
Revone only works on hboot 1.44 and android 4.1.2 and/or 4.2.2
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Do you think firewater will work with viper+Elemental X kernel? If I used the same guide as with ARHD. I tried to s-off with revone by flashing a 4.2.2 viper Rom but I lost all signal and service, so I restored my backup. Also I was wondering since I'm running the 3.17 ruu to update radio and stuff , should I use the 4.18 ruu since its newer? Thanks again for all the help.
UPDATE: Well ran firewater since coudnt get revone to work , took all of like 45 seconds and it said device is s-off. Couldn't believe it after all the trouble I've had.Awesome!

[Q] HTC One M7 Problem to become S-off

I have a Problem to claim S off Status,
I have tried with Cm11 nightlys and snapshots
And with insertcoin and arhd too
With Sense Roms i have the Problem, my phone is rebooting without any
Commands from me or the PC, random reboots.....
Tried other s off methods too, rumrunner and firewater
All this failed, i have s on Status
My bootloader is 1.57
Twrp is installed
Bootloader is unlocked
But IMEI and Baseband Version says: Unknown

Smilex93 said:
I have a Problem to claim S off Status,
I have tried with Cm11 nightlys and snapshots
And with insertcoin and arhd too
With Sense Roms i have the Problem, my phone is rebooting without any
Commands from me or the PC, random reboots.....
Tried other s off methods too, rumrunner and firewater
All this failed, i have s on Status
My bootloader is 1.57
Twrp is installed
Bootloader is unlocked
But IMEI and Baseband Version says: Unknown
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Firewater is discontinued and will not work, rumrunner isn't for hboot1.57.
Sunshine is the only method available for 1.57

Hello, i have the Problem and Smilex posted for me.
The thing is, that sunshine makes some checks wether it is possible or not.
But alll sense-roms are crashing after teo minutes. So i cant usw sunshine. Only if i flash cm it doesnt crash. But i think it crashes because of the unknown imei und baseband.
So i ask wether anybody know a rom which is not as near to sense as Android HD Revolution and the others but use a kernel which is sunshine possible and dont let my phone reboot each two minutes...

ok, nobody can help me. bye htc one.

lukas22497 said:
Hello, i have the Problem and Smilex posted for me.
The thing is, that sunshine makes some checks wether it is possible or not.
But alll sense-roms are crashing after teo minutes. So i cant usw sunshine. Only if i flash cm it doesnt crash. But i think it crashes because of the unknown imei und baseband.
So i ask wether anybody know a rom which is not as near to sense as Android HD Revolution and the others but use a kernel which is sunshine possible and dont let my phone reboot each two minutes...
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If youre trying to s-off with sunshine,you need a completely stock rom.i had a near stock rom & because the ramdisk was debuggable in boot.img,sunshine failed.i went back to 4.3 stock that i had a nandroid backup for.i would suggest using an RUU to get back to stock,if youre s on it shouldnt matter and i can confirm that the hboot for 4.3(1.57.xxxx) is compatabile with sunshine,because thats the hboot i had.
EDIT:my bad,i just found out you cannot use an RUU with an s-on device.im gunna see if i can find a zip without needing the use of an RUU.
Edit2: heres a link to an htc guru stock package for the m7.
You can flash this through fastboot,NOT recovery.
If you need commands or are unsure what to do,post back
http://www.htc1guru.com/dld/guru_reset_m7_3-62-401-1-zip/

GotHeart said:
Edit2: heres a link to an htc guru stock package for the m7.
You can flash this through fastboot,NOT recovery.
If you need commands or are unsure what to do,post back
http://www.htc1guru.com/dld/guru_reset_m7_3-62-401-1-zip/
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Wow talk about mis information this is totally Wrong. A guru reset is always flashed with TWRP (2.6.3.3 Preferred)
And it's not really what he needs anyway it's too old
If your software is indeed x.xx.401 try this one >> https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23501681358543706

thank you for chiming in.ive been out of the HTC device game for awhile.i appreciate the correction.

[Q] Problems with SunShine: what stock kernel to flash?

Hello,
I wanted to S-OFF my HTC One M7 and it looks like my last hope is use SunShine in the end.
Since I receive the following message when SunShine runs on my phone, I would like to receive some help to figure out what is the stock kernel I have to flash in order to run SunShine.
At the moment I use Elemental X kernel, as shown in the signature below, but I have not been able to find a kernel to meet the requirements. By the way, I have a rooted and unlocked phone, and I wouldn't like to come back to stock if possible.
Thanks

fbcyborg said:
Hello,
I wanted to S-OFF my HTC One M7 and it looks like my last hope is use SunShine in the end.
Since I receive the following message when SunShine runs on my phone, I would like to receive some help to figure out what is the stock kernel I have to flash in order to run SunShine.
At the moment I use Elemental X kernel, as shown in the signature below, but I have not been able to find a kernel to meet the requirements. By the way, I have a rooted and unlocked phone, and I wouldn't like to come back to stock if possible.
Thanks
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1) do a nandroid backup in TWRP
2) install maximusHD, this one: http://llabtoofer.com/2014/12/02/htc-one-maximushd-46-0-0/
3) sunshine s-off
4) restore you nandroid backup

Hi!
Thanks a lot for your hint!
And what about doing as explained here instead? I mean where it says about "Step-by-step procedure before attempting to S-OFF (with the universal Rumrunner version for international variants)".
It doen't say anything about the hboot version. That should work I guess, without wiping anything by the way.

fbcyborg said:
Hi!
Thanks a lot for your hint!
And what about doing as explained here instead? I mean where it says about "Step-by-step procedure before attempting to S-OFF (with the universal Rumrunner version for international variants)".
It doen't say anything about the hboot version. That should work I guess, without wiping anything by the way.
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rumrunner only works on hboot 1.54 and lower

clsA said:
rumrunner only works on hboot 1.54 and lower
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OK, thank you.
So, I could flash a ROM having such hboot and then try rumrunner. If yes, can you suggest me some rom to flash? There's lot of stuff here in the forum, I get confused to be honest.

fbcyborg said:
OK, thank you.
So, I could flash a ROM having such hboot and then try rumrunner. If yes, can you suggest me some rom to flash? There's lot of stuff here in the forum, I get confused to be honest.
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nope, you cant back flash your HBOOT at all unless you are already s-off, I see in your signature your on 1.57, sunshine is the only way to s-off your device, really the only way - (people still ask after saying this if there is another way), you also need as close to stock as possible to use sunshine.

I succeeded using Sunshine in the end, flashing a stock kernel (boot.img) extacted by a stock ROM.

Is it worth to s-off?

Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
What are the benefits of s-off

S-off is good, as long as you can do it without issues. I broke my USB port while trying to s-off. I can't plug my phone into pc, it goes to car mode, and refuses to charge at all. Many people have faced this issue, and this is a software + hardware issue. Just warning you, tho im running ARHD with my own mods on it for about 2 years all without s-off.
Cheers ^_^

I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible

AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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As far as I know sunshine is the only way to get s-off on that hboot so you'll need to pay $25. On the matter if it's worth buying that's up to you. Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware and I know some ROMs require s-off. Always research what could go wrong just to make sure you can s-off in the safest way.

AleXand3rr said:
Hello guys
Is it worth to s-off or I can install custom recovery and rom with no problem.
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You don't need S-OFF to flash a custom recovery nor a custom rom. Is it worth it? Well if you don't need it, no.
What are the benefits of s-off
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If you don't know what are the benefits of having S-OFF then you probably don't need it. Unlocking the bootloader remove the signature check and disable security from the /system, /boot, /recovery and /radio partitions so you can flash custom software like roms, kernel, recovery and radios. S-OFF remove the signature check and security on the remaining partitions like /hboot, /pg1fs, /pg2fs and /mfg which make it possible to flash flash unsigned firmware like a custom hboot for example. This also make possible to downgrade or change your firmware version. With access to the mfg partition you can change your MID number and with the pgfs partitions you can remove the ***tampered***, ***re-locked*** and ***security warning*** flags. S-OFF also enables some blocked "fastboot oem" commands like "fastboot oem writecid" which make it possible to change your CID number. Well a lots of useful things but nothing required to flash a custom recovery and rom.
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I broke my USB port while trying to s-off
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Achieving S-OFF itself can't broke your USB port, its most likely an hardware problem only or you did something wrong once s-off.
AleXand3rr said:
I've got hboot 1,61 so i need to know if it is worth buying sunshine or if a free option is avalible
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There isn't any free alternative to sunshine on hboot 1.61.
Mikecosta64 said:
Personally s-off allows you to flash ROMs easily since you don't have to worry about firmware
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Since he is already running hboot 1.61 he already have one of the latest 7.xx.xxx.x firmware version which is all he need to run all the recent roms. So even if he keep is phone S-ON, firmware isn't something to worry about.
and I know some ROMs require s-off
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Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:

alray said:
Custom roms requires an unlocked bootloader only, not S-OFF. :good:
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Well most of them but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.

Mikecosta64 said:
Well most of them
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All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
but Skydragon ROM for htc one m7 says it needs s-off
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Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
and there are some kernels which require s-off as well. I've only seen one, don't remember the name of it.
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I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.

alray said:
All of them can be flashed with S-ON . There isn't anything justifying the need to have S-OFF when flashing a custom rom or kernel.
Yeah I know its in the OP but you don't need s-off to flash and use it. There are a lot of members reporting successfully flashing this rom on a S-ON phone, even in the Skydragon thread.
I never seen any kernel requiring S-OFF and that wouldn't make any sense since the kernel is written on /boot partition which is not a secured partition once the bootloader is unlocked.
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Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not, but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years. Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked." Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition? I am S-off, and I have never been able to successfully flash /system. It always returns a permission denied error of some kind. Maybe it works with KitKat and below, and from Lollipop on you need an Eng bootloader to flash /system through fastboot?
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"

firejuggler86 said:
Are you fairly knowledgeable about *old* HTC devices as well? (obviously you are very knowledgeable about current ones). Old meaning, gingerbread and older. I personally am not
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Me neither, my first HTC device was in 2012, the One X (Tegra variant)
but I'm wondering if the functions of S-on vs S-off have changed over the years.
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Probably, there a lot of old guides (back in the nexus one days) saying that you need S-OFF in order to ROOT which is false when speaking about the One M7 but not so false when speaking about the Verizon One M7 (this one requires s-off since bootloader unlock is not available from htcdev.com)
Because, if you run a basic google search for S-on vs S-off, the *vast majority* of the information you will find is false information-- or at least it is false now, but I do not know if it was always untrue. Countless websites that say "In order to root, you must be S-off." "In order to flash ROMs, you must have S-off." Stuff like that. I know the internet is full of false information, but it seems to me the amount of false information regarding S-off is disproportionate.. I find it odd.
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I think its a combination of false informations and outdated informations. For example, some ppl are still saying that you must flash the kernel (boot.img) using fastboot after flashing a custom rom on a S-ON phone. This was true for older HTC devices, but not needed on the M7 (and i guess newer devices) since the boot partition isn't secured and can now be flashed from custom recovery. There are some ppl confusing ROOT and Unlocked bootloader (they think unlocking the bootloader = rooting the phone which are 2 totally different things). A lor of outdated/false(or applying to a specific device only) information online. Better to look for the most recent information available for the correct device. :good:
That said...it's not completely necessary, but it *is* nice being able to remove the Tampered flag, and to have the red text be gone, and to be able to lock and unlock my bootloader and have it say 'locked" instead of "relocked."
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Yep, exactly what I was saying above, its very useful to have s-off. But is it needed to flash a custom recovery and rom (question asked at post #1)? Absolutely not.
Is it even still the case that S-off allows you to flash the /system partition?
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You don't need s-off to flash the system partition, only an unlocked bootloader but it can only be done from custom recovery, not from fastboot.
If you absolutely want to flash /system from fastboot then I suppose you can make a custom ruu.zip with the system image only and flash it in RUU mode. In this case you will need S-OFF since its required to flash an unsigned ruu.zip.
I'm kinda curious how the one poster broke his usb port trying to S-off.... did it involve that one old S-off method that involved stripped wires...I think it was called the wire method.. I like the term "hot wiring"
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Me too but imo its a coincidence only. The methods used to achieve S-OFF doesn't requires any hardware modification. You only have to use the appropriate exploit (software) for your bootloader version and the only one requiring your phone to be connected with a usb cable is rumrunner. The other exploits like Revone or Sunshine for example are running directly from your phone, without any computer. I'm 99.99% sure achieving s-off itself can't cause hardware damage since its done using software as opposed to the hot wiring method you described. Anyway what I'm saying in this thread might not apply for other HTC devices but I'm pretty sure everything I'm saying is 100% correct for the M7.

Yes. Plain and simple.