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Risks of Rooting?

Ok so, I bought this awesome device and Im waiting for it to be delivered. I know that rooting has awesome features and great things, but Im wondering if someone has experienced any kind of issue after rooting... I read somewhere here in the forum, that the Wifi on someone's tablet stopped working and he had to return it.. Sadly, I can't be returning stuff since I live out of the states and is not that easy... Hope someone can tell me ^^ Would love to have 3 or 4 answers for me to take my decision. Thanks in advance.
Jailuis

jailuis said:
Ok so, I bought this awesome device and Im waiting for it to be delivered. I know that rooting has awesome features and great things, but Im wondering if someone has experienced any kind of issue after rooting... I read somewhere here in the forum, that the Wifi on someone's tablet stopped working and he had to return it.. Sadly, I can't be returning stuff since I live out of the states and is not that easy... Hope someone can tell me ^^ Would love to have 3 or 4 answers for me to take my decision. Thanks in advance.
Jailuis
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If you follow instructions to a complete letter and make sure it's the correct rooting instructions for your version number, then all should be well but I do have to say that it's always done at your own risk. There's no way around that.
I have not read anyone else with rooting problems on here for the KFHD. The guy with the wifi post which I've read most likely got a dud. Mine was rooted and ran fine for me. I returned mine for other reasons.
Just be careful on what you do to your device. If you do something you shouldn't with your "extra privileges", it can be easy to brick your device. Especially when it's so young in development stages right now.

I received my fire a week ago. I intended to root it like I have all other android devices I own.
I have kept it stock and probably will for awhile. I just did not feel the need to root. I side loaded GMail and most other Google apps I wanted. I side loaded adw launcher and dolphin browser. So I feel no real reason to root since a few people have had problems.
Now when the boot loader gets unlocked and there is custom Roms now that is a different story.
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I rooted yesterday. Got go ex as default launcher, play store, dolphin, etc. No problems yet. Seems faster, if anything.

There aren't many risks with it other then the average (brick). Which can occur with any device. Just make sure you follow the steps correctly step by step, and make sure your adb drivers are installed correctly.

Pirub said:
I rooted yesterday. Got go ex as default launcher, play store, dolphin, etc. No problems yet. Seems faster, if anything.
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About the only reason I'd root is for the play store
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You risk having a better running tablet
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My devices are all rooted, for my Bionic, it's so that I can use AdFree, Titanium Backup and to run AirBubble, which let's AirPlay devices see the phone and ply music to it remotely (or to whatever speakers it's plugged in to! ) It doesn't have to be used for illegal stuff, it just unlocks your phone's administrator privileges so that those that know specific use cases which require lower level code can go ahead and run. If you can already do everything you want with your phone, you don't need to root it.

GeekSpeak411 said:
My devices are all rooted, for my Bionic, it's so that I can use AdFree, Titanium Backup and to run AirBubble, which let's AirPlay devices see the phone and ply music to it remotely (or to whatever speakers it's plugged in to! ) It doesn't have to be used for illegal stuff, it just unlocks your phone's administrator privileges so that those that know specific use cases which require lower level code can go ahead and run. If you can already do everything you want with your phone, you don't need to root it.
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Rooting is good for getting rid of bloatware too.

With rooting there is always a risk that you are going to screw something up. The easiest way to ensure that doesnt happen is to not root the device. But if you are going to anyway just don't do something you don't fully understand unless you are willing to take the risks.
For example if you do not know how to use adb then don't try at this time, play around with it on something else. If you still want root and don't know adb then use the automated root tool. All the hard stuff is done for you and there is no chance of inputting something wrong and causing problems. To avoid any conflicts with apps or settings reset the device to factory. Just one more step to take human error out of the equation.
After the device is rooted is when people tend to cause problems for themselves. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!! If you are messing around inside a file manager any folder outside the sdcard folder has the potential to cause problems so- IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!!(unless you can afford the risk)
When making changes, research what you are trying to do extensively and don't rely on one source. What worked for one person will not always work for another, to many variables.
All in all just aire on the side of caution.

Thanks for all responses ^^ I've had other android devices and I had rooted them, but Im afraid with this one since I read about the wifi not working anymore... But thanks to all of you I might give it a shot. One last thing, I have 2 KFHD, do I have to install Adb for both?
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jailuis said:
Thanks for all responses ^^ I've had other android devices and I had rooted them, but Im afraid with this one since I read about the wifi not working anymore... But thanks to all of you I might give it a shot. One last thing, I have 2 KFHD, do I have to install Adb for both?
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I used the auto root tool without issues. I would think once you install adb on your Pc it should work for both. I had to also install the android sdk tool.
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no risk.just go ahead.toot it.lol

onemeila said:
With rooting there is always a risk that you are going to screw something up. The easiest way to ensure that doesnt happen is to not root the device. But if you are going to anyway just don't do something you don't fully understand unless you are willing to take the risks.
For example if you do not know how to use adb then don't try at this time, play around with it on something else. If you still want root and don't know adb then use the automated root tool. All the hard stuff is done for you and there is no chance of inputting something wrong and causing problems. To avoid any conflicts with apps or settings reset the device to factory. Just one more step to take human error out of the equation.
After the device is rooted is when people tend to cause problems for themselves. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!! If you are messing around inside a file manager any folder outside the sdcard folder has the potential to cause problems so- IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS/DOES DON'T TOUCH IT!!!(unless you can afford the risk)
When making changes, research what you are trying to do extensively and don't rely on one source. What worked for one person will not always work for another, to many variables.
All in all just aire on the side of caution.
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Thanks.

[Q] Questions related to rooting and roms

Ok, i bought my Nexus 7 2012 4-5 weeks ago, and ever since i have been trying to learn much about my Nexus 7 as possible. I'm already a mediocre on computers, i know the basics and every component of a computer. But i'm not familiar to Android.
Can someone inform me as to what is rooting? I already know some apps for android require rooting in order to operate and a pc is needed to root an android device, and to me rooting is like a counterpart to Apple IOS's jailbreaking?
I've searched many forums threads in many forums, many people talk of ROMS, when concerning the Nexus 7 and/or other Android devices.
Can someone tel me what ROMS are when concerning Android devices?
Any info is appreciated

Rooting is for Android is the equivalent to JailBreaking iOS.
ROMs are versions of Android built and developed by a third person.
Usually ROMs will have features that are not in stock Android.
Some ROMs are optimized for smoothness and speed others are visually more appealing.

Sm0k3d 0uT said:
Rooting is for Android is the equivalent to JailBreaking iOS.
ROMs are versions of Android built and developed by a third person.
Usually ROMs will have features that are not in stock Android.
Some ROMs are optimized for smoothness and speed others are visually more appealing.
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Can you give me an example of a rooting method and an example of a android rom?

you can root using wug fresh nexus root toolkit, and you may have heard of cyanogenmod, one of the most frequent and well known roms for android
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GoldenNexus7 said:
Can you give me an example of a rooting method and an example of a android rom?
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There are tutorials in the stickies that cover how to root.
As for a ROM, the OS you are using on it is a Stock ROM.
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Pirateghost said:
There are tutorials in the stickies that cover how to root.
As for a ROM, the OS you are using on it is a Stock ROM.
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^ this
Read, learn, understand and read some more...... before you touch a thing. Or trouble will come.
Having someone walk you thru it won't teach you anything....or help you to understand what you're doing.
Its very easy to brick your device if you do something incorrectly.
Just my advice!
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kj2112 said:
^ this
Read, learn, understand and read some more...... before you touch a thing. Or trouble will come.
Having someone walk you thru it won't teach you anything....or help you to understand what you're doing.
Its very easy to brick your device if you do something incorrectly.
Just my advice!
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Thank you for your information everyone, you helped me understand some of this, but i more question what is the term "Bricked"?
Is it a permanent error r crash in your device?

GoldenNexus7 said:
Thank you for your information everyone, you helped me understand some of this, but i more question what is the term "Bricked"?
Is it a permanent error r crash in your device?
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A "brick" means your device is irrecoverable (from your perspective) and will not respond to any input whatsoever. Basically, your device becomes a paperweight.
Please understand this so that if/when something goes wrong, you don't post another thread screaming "MY TABLET IS BRICKED" when it's actually just bootloading or stuck on a boot screen.

Sm0k3d 0uT said:
Rooting is for Android is the equivalent to JailBreaking iOS.
ROMs are versions of Android built and developed by a third person.
Usually ROMs will have features that are not in stock Android.
Some ROMs are optimized for smoothness and speed others are visually more appealing.
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Sort of... Rooting gives you access to everything on the device, while jailbreaking is still somewhat restricted. Also, jailbreaking is achieved by using exploits, while rooting is possible using utilities already built into the device for development purposes. This is why rooting is incredibly easy, safe, and cohesive across nexus devices and os versions.
It's actually quite hard to brick a nexus device. The only way I can think of is "fastboot erase bootloader". Stay away from that and you'll be okay
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korockinout13 said:
Sort of... Rooting gives you access to everything on the device, while jailbreaking is still somewhat restricted. Also, jailbreaking is achieved by using exploits, while rooting is possible using utilities already built into the device for development purposes. This is why rooting is incredibly easy, safe, and cohesive across nexus devices and os versions.
It's actually quite hard to brick a nexus device. The only way I can think of is "fastboot erase bootloader". Stay away from that and you'll be okay
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Ahh but your definition of rooting is specific to nexus devices and not android devices in general.
Most non-nexus devices achieve rooting through one form of exploit or another.

Sm0k3d 0uT said:
Ahh but your definition of rooting is specific to nexus devices and not android devices in general.
Most non-nexus devices achieve rooting through one form of exploit or another.
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True... But root is root. Once rooted, you've got access to everything.
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korockinout13 said:
True... But root is root. Once rooted, you've got access to everything.
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Bootloader on a carrier locked device.

Haha, ok guys, i will just use my device plainly for a while until it gets boring then i'm gonna fill it with Roms and i will root it, do i need only one computer to root, it or i can use multiple. People say rooting your device makes i more vulnerable to drive-by virus downloads and stuff. should i listen to them or is it some anti-root bull****.

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Haha, ok guys, i will just use my device plainly for a while until it gets boring then i'm gonna fill it with Roms and i will root it, do i need only one computer to root, it or i can use multiple. People say rooting your device makes i more vulnerable to drive-by virus downloads and stuff. should i listen to them or is it some anti-root bull****.
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Why would you need multiple computers to unlock the bootloader, and flash a recovery? You only have to do it one time. You don't 'root' it every time you want to flash something....
Drive by viruses? Technically could happen without root, root doesn't automatically make it any more unsafe than no root. You just have to be smart about what you install.
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ToolKit
Id also recommend WugFresh's toolkit as well!
Simple to use and its quick, easy, and VERY USEFUL!

freddy0872 said:
Id also recommend WugFresh's toolkit as well!
Simple to use and its quick, easy, and VERY USEFUL!
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Actually the OP appears to want to learn about these things. Therefore a toolkit is a dumb idea.
You know that whole learning thing. Some people actually want to do that.
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Pirateghost said:
Actually the OP appears to want to learn about these things. Therefore a toolkit is a dumb idea.
You know that whole learning thing. Some people actually want to do that.
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I was only giving my opinion as far as ease of use. Not used to peeps who actually want to work for unlock or root. Majority of people want to press a button and then have no clue what just happened.
Most don't even know what dalvik cache is! They might think it's a person! Lmao!
So I appreciate your correction. Also thanks for not chomping my head off to much!
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Thanks guys, in your opinion, which game pad controller do you guys think is best for android AND my laptop, i want one for android w/ pc. Is there one that even exists, i want to exclude xbox360 controllers an ps3 controllers.

Def don't use a toolkit cant learn much like that. Adb and fastboot is the easiest and safest way to root a nexus device.
So you can start there. Google has some pretty good into on doing all this. If your using a PC make sure to ga grab the drivers. (Linux and osx don't need drivers) and of course searching the nexus forums here at xda you can obtain tons of info. Everything I know I learned here and Google. (Not a pro or anything but know my way a little about android and rooting.
And always have fun.
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OP you familiar with Unix/Linux? Root is also used there and is relatively the same. Basically it gives you or root apps elevated permissions, like having admin permissions on a windows PC.
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GoldenNexus7 said:
Thanks guys, in your opinion, which game pad controller do you guys think is best for android AND my laptop, i want one for android w/ pc. Is there one that even exists, i want to exclude xbox360 controllers an ps3 controllers.
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I personally use a PS3 controller on my tablet and phone, because it can be paired via Bluetooth and I already had ps3 controllers. Figured its better than buying a BT controller specifically for android devices.
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Why is it so hard to root google nexus phones?

I came from samsung note 4 and rooting is a breeze! just install custom recovery and flash a kernel you are rooted already!!! but with nexus 6!!!!! jesus christ!!! its like reading thousands of pages for medical examination!!!
download this and that, open terminal command, write those bla bla bla in the command and with one mistake your
hard earned money will be gone!!!!
all posted links are not updated for god sake!, all posted links instructions are hard to understand!!!
anybody here cant explain simple instructions! you have to read 1000 paragraphs to learn simple things!
CANT YOU GIVE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER?
DO I NEED TO RELOCK IT OR MUCH BETTER I WILL TO REMAIN UNLOCK FOR LIFE?
This is the worse phone ever!

So, it's hard to root because you can't one click your way to glory? If you think rooting a Nexus phone is hard, I'd hate to see what it takes to be easy. The only reason there is any difficulty is due to security changes in Android itself.
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its extremely easy to root any nexus, as in i have no idea what world youre in.
1. unlock the bootliader via fastboot. the code is fastboot oem unlock. the setting in the developer options has to be set to oem unlock.
2. fastboot flash twrp recovery.
3. flash any custom kernel(for marshmallow) and the latest supersu in your new twrp recovery.
4. reboot and have root.

Wow. No wonder the android community is going to hell in a hand basket. Laziness is just overwhelming. I've rooted every major android phone make out there except for huawei and nexus is the easiest along with Samsung to root. If you don't have patience to read what you need to download then have fun with an unroofed phone. I'm sure if my turtle had opposable thumbs, it could root this phone with ease.

bigstunta101 said:
Wow. No wonder the android community is going to hell in a hand basket. Laziness is just overwhelming. I've rooted every major android phone make out there except for huawei and nexus is the easiest along with Samsung to root. If you don't have patience to read what you need to download then have fun with an unroofed phone. I'm sure if my turtle had opposable thumbs, it could root this phone with ease.
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i dont even think that having opposable thumbs is even needed here..

Its easy once you get the hang of it. As said before, changes in android versions make things difficult.

Or, you know, you can use Nexus Root Toolkit and one-click your way to glory.

I would guess its so "hard" because computers are incredibly complex devices that work on the culmination of decades of combined development and advancement, and you are insistent on remaining ignorant.
The command to unlock the bootloader depends on your setup, but is literally just "fastboot oem unlock" or "fastboot flashing unlock"
Then you need to install recovery using 1 other command
then you need to flash a kernel, and supersu.
That is literally it.
If that is too hard for you, you should probably leave it all alone.

Worst phone ever??? What?? I rooted , decrypted, installed custom ROM in 6 minutes. Try that on sammy
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Your in the wrong place to be dogging Nexus.
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I thought this was some sarcastic thread or something. Had to do a double take to see he was really serious. Thanks for the laugh though
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You should see some of his past threads. Holy mother......
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shadowcore said:
Its easy once you get the hang of it. As said before, changes in android versions make things difficult.
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This!

Easy guys, the users guide for rooting was like thicker than a thesaurus book if you print it on paper! Long, complicated and un necessary! Cant you produce instruction with image or video and with few bla bla bla!?

by the way just to inform everybody here, i bought a nexus phone because i thought those tech reviewers on youtube are real! Holy cow they are just a paid troll! They lie to us that this phone is ultra fast compared to other android phones in the world and i thought theres no need for me to root it. Because all i want is a fast and responsive phone not mr stutter nexus phone! The performance is comparable to 5$ china android phone! I cant believe it!

zwwel said:
Or, you know, you can use Nexus Root Toolkit and one-click your way to glory.
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No you can't, at least not with older versions that don't know about Marshmallow security stuff.
But that's just good that way, rooting phones and installing stuff was never for the lazy and ignorant, who are not even willing to google stuff first. They just borked their phones with "easy on click" solutions then ran here crying for help.
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Also the OP is the epitome of what's wrong with XDA nowadays. He does nothing just bursts in guns blazing, and demands solutions to his problems ASAP or he will break his toys.

istperson said:
No you can't, at least not with older versions that don't know about Marshmallow security stuff.
But that's just good that way, rooting phones and installing stuff was never for the lazy and ignorant, who are not even willing to google stuff first. They just borked their phones with "easy on click" solutions then ran here crying for help.
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Also the OP is the epitome of what's wrong with XDA nowadays. He does nothing just bursts in guns blazing, and demands solutions to his problems ASAP or he will break his toys.
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You can root Marshmallow just fine with the latest version of NRT.

I used toolkits in the past but once I learned the fastboot commands and got use to them its just as fast if not faster; imo. I feel more confident and accomplished using fastboot; makes me feel more involved.

zwwel said:
You can root Marshmallow just fine with the latest version of NRT.
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And brick it with the version before that, that people still try to use, then come here panicking.
The problem with rootkits it that they give people the false security that someone else instead of them knows what he or she is doing. And while it might be the truth, it's only valid until a new version of Android come out with even stronger security measures and people start bricking their phones without any clue why it's happening.
Click -> click -> brick.

I think the best way for you to root is just to go outside dig a hole in the ground and bury your phone right there.. Sit down just wait a week or so until it catches root and your golden.
On a serious note.. Go away. people like you OP really tingle my fist reflex .
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juggamonkey said:
I think the best way for you to root is just to go outside dig a hole in the ground and bury your phone right there.. Sit down just wait a week or so until it catches root and your golden.
On a serious note.. Go away. people like you OP really tingle my fist reflex .
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why so mean? u cant handle the reality of life that the phone u are holding is not that easy to root?
comeon! are u being paid to not tell the truth?

Help prove to my mother that it's extremely hard to brick a Nexus

So I dropped my Galaxy S4 and destroyed the display, rendering it useless. Then I ordered a Nexus 6 and its amazing! I love it. I had rooted my S4 successfully and I had some root apps running, which I came to love and now I'm having trouble to live without them.
I want to root my Nexus 6, but my mom won't let me. She says she wants to learn more about the risks.
I don't understand her reasoning because rooting a Samsung on Verizon is extremely tricky compared to a Nexus, and I was able to do that without any problems. From what I can tell the risk is very low for a Nexus, and it's hard to completely brick as long as you don't go flashing the wrong stuff and I probably won't go flashing anything fancy until there are some more ROMs for Marshmallow. And if I ever do physically break it, its really easy to go back to stock and make it like it was never even messed with. I've tried to tell her this but she won't listen.
If anyone has a minute, can someone confirm and possibly reinforce my statement? I'd love to root this baby in the next few days. Thanks!

zfrnz said:
So I dropped my Galaxy S4 and destroyed the display, rendering it useless. Then I ordered a Nexus 6 and its amazing! I love it. I had rooted my S4 successfully and I had some root apps running, which I came to love and now I'm having trouble to live without them.
I want to root my Nexus 6, but my mom won't let me. She says she wants to learn more about the risks.
I don't understand her reasoning because rooting a Samsung on Verizon is extremely tricky compared to a Nexus, and I was able to do that without any problems. From what I can tell the risk is very low for a Nexus, and it's hard to completely brick as long as you don't go flashing the wrong stuff and I probably won't go flashing anything fancy until there are some more ROMs for Marshmallow. And if I ever do physically break it, its really easy to go back to stock and make it like it was never even messed with. I've tried to tell her this but she won't listen.
If anyone has a minute, can someone confirm and possibly reinforce my statement? I'd love to root this baby in the next few days. Thanks!
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Tell her that you won't use a phone with restrictions. Give the phone back. Be strong, don't complain. Just leave the phone alone.

zfrnz said:
So I dropped my Galaxy S4 and destroyed the display, rendering it useless. Then I ordered a Nexus 6 and its amazing! I love it. I had rooted my S4 successfully and I had some root apps running, which I came to love and now I'm having trouble to live without them.
I want to root my Nexus 6, but my mom won't let me. She says she wants to learn more about the risks.
I don't understand her reasoning because rooting a Samsung on Verizon is extremely tricky compared to a Nexus, and I was able to do that without any problems. From what I can tell the risk is very low for a Nexus, and it's hard to completely brick as long as you don't go flashing the wrong stuff and I probably won't go flashing anything fancy until there are some more ROMs for Marshmallow. And if I ever do physically break it, its really easy to go back to stock and make it like it was never even messed with. I've tried to tell her this but she won't listen.
If anyone has a minute, can someone confirm and possibly reinforce my statement? I'd love to root this baby in the next few days. Thanks!
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Just tell her your grandma`s phone is rooted too

NLBeev said:
Tell her that you won't use a phone with restrictions. Give the phone back. Be strong, don't complain. Just leave the phone alone.
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If I did that then she would get pissed and just take the phone away... Stock is better than no phone at all. If I give her some evidence then that would most likely do the trick. I've learned that if I go about things in smart ways and don't get angry, I get what I want more often. Thanks though

gee2012 said:
Just tell her your grandma`s phone is rooted too
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Lol... My grandfather's phone actually is rooted. He's got sprint though and they're better when it comes to fixing rooting.

Your mother is just being cautious. Yeah, the chances of brick on nexus phones are slim, but that depends on how much you know about rooting and such; or how well you can follow instructions to the letter. And, like any other phone, Nexus' can be very expensive to fix if damaged too much (hard brick). Especially with the Marshmallow update, anything can go wrong. If you're confident in what you're doing, go for it. Otherwise, listen to your mother.

zfrnz said:
If I did that then she would get pissed and just take the phone away... Stock is better than no phone at all. If I give her some evidence then that would most likely do the trick. I've learned that if I go about things in smart ways and don't get angry, I get what I want more often. Thanks though
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No, be consequent, the phone is yours or not. You can not change the idea that there risks. Because there is a risk.
You could change the strategy. The risk is not the rooting process. The risk is the person that roots the phone. Show/tell her that you know all the howto's. You must give the impression you are an expert.

toledodj said:
Your mother is just being cautious. Yeah, the chances of brick on nexus phones are slim, but that depends on how much you know about rooting and such; or how well you can follow instructions to the letter. And, like any other phone, Nexus' can be very expensive to fix if damaged too much (hard brick). Especially with the Marshmallow update, anything can go wrong. If you're confident in what you're doing, go for it. Otherwise, listen to your mother.
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Yeah but compared to rooting an S4 a nexus is not risky at all... And wugfresh toolkit works on Marshmallow so that makes it even easier

zfrnz said:
Yeah but compared to rooting an S4 a nexus is not risky at all... And wugfresh toolkit works on Marshmallow so that makes it even easier
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I didn't know the toolkit could now root Marshmallow. I could've sworn using it would brick the phone. If the root toolkit can do it, by all means go for it

toledodj said:
I didn't know the toolkit could now root Marshmallow. I could've sworn using it would brick the phone. If the root toolkit can do it, by all means go for it
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This page has mixed answers... One guy said it worked but another got bootloop. But a boot loop is easy to get out of and that seems like the worst thing that happened

zfrnz said:
Yeah but compared to rooting an S4 a nexus is not risky at all... And wugfresh toolkit works on Marshmallow so that makes it even easier
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Last remark. Arguments won't change the idea's of your mother. Tell her you should be very happy when your phone is rooted. Because of the customizing possibilities, like the use of layers.
Happiness is a state of mind and you will remember many many years later the fun of using a smartphone that was rooted. Thanks to your mother.

first off, it is EASY to brick a nexus, especially if you go the toolkit route. why? because when you use a toolkit you never learn how to do anything, like fixing your device, or how to actually root properly. that said, if you do decide to go that way, ill expect to see a thread titled.. "my mom was right about me bricking my n6".

zfrnz said:
This page has mixed answers... But a boot loop is easy to get out of and that seems like the worst thing that happened
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Still a hassle though. Luckily, I've never heard of anyone hard-bricking a nexus
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simms22 said:
first off, it is EASY to brick a nexus, especially if you go the toolkit route. why? because when you use a toolkit you never learn how to do anything, like fixing your device, or how to actually root properly. that said, if you do decide to go that way, ill expect to see a thread titled.. "my mom was right about me bricking my n6".
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In that case, it's always wise to learn both methods. From my experience, as long as you unlock the bootloader and enable USB debugging, the root kit is foolproof

It's possible her concern isn't about bricking but data security risks?
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toledodj said:
Still a hassle though. Luckily, I've never heard of anyone hard-bricking a nexus
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In that case, it's always wise to learn both methods. From my experience, as long as you unlock the bootloader and enable USB debugging, the root kit is foolproof
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both methods? theres is only one right method, pressing a button isnt a method. but, once you learn the proper method, feel free to use a toolkit. the problem is that a lot of newbies use toolkits, then run into easily fixable problems that they cant solve.
and it appears that you dont read much, as very many have bricked their nexus. most common way recently is by running into a bootloop without having your bootloader unlocked nor the option to unlock it enabled. thats a 100% brick, and its happened to very many people.

Not that I'm condoning defying your mom's explicit wishes, but she's not even going to know if you root it. Better to ask forgiveness after than permission before...

If you learn to do everything manually and not use a toolkit then it is quite hard to brick a Nexus device. BUT, I've not rooted my last two (N5 and this N6) as there's no point these days.
Bricking will occur if you try and take a short cut or don't follow instructions.

simms22 said:
both methods? theres is only one right method, pressing a button isnt a method. but, once you learn the proper method, feel free to use a toolkit. the problem is that a lot of newbies use toolkits, then run into easily fixable problems that they cant solve.
and it appears that you dont read much, as very many have bricked their nexus. most common way recently is by running into a bootloop without having your bootloader unlocked nor the option to unlock it enabled. thats a 100% brick, and its happened to very many people.
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I mentioned unlocking the bootloader and enabling USB debugging when using the root kit

toledodj said:
I mentioned unlocking the bootloader and enabling USB debugging when using the root kit
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id even unlock my bootloader even if i never rooted.

simms22 said:
id even unlock my bootloader even if i never rooted.
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Mine is always unlocked also

Magisk Help Needed

As an IT professional, I truly hate looking like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure that's about to happen. But I'm sincerely at the end of my rope, and don't know what else to do.
I've been using my Nexus 6 for over a year and a half now, and I love it. I'm comfortable using WugFresh and recently flashed the 7.1.1 OTA using it. However, I also like using Android Pay, so I don't want to root. I do however want full Google Now integration in Action Launcher 3, now that it's available. I really, really want that.
So I looked into Magisk, and that seems to be the way to go. The problem is that the installation instructions seem inherently contradictory. First, they say you need to revert to stock (does that mean stock 7.1.1 or stock after FDR, btw?). But in the very next step, they tell you to flash Magicsk using TWRP. Huh? How is a custom recovery like TWRP considered stock? I just don't get it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying my best here, so please don't flame. I used to be comfortable with rooting and ROMing back in the OG Droid days, but as I said, I enjoy Android Pay and my banking app, etc.
Thanks in advance for some clear, non-contradictory instructions.

unbesorgt said:
As an IT professional, I truly hate looking like an idiot. And I'm pretty sure that's about to happen. But I'm sincerely at the end of my rope, and don't know what else to do.
I've been using my Nexus 6 for over a year and a half now, and I love it. I'm comfortable using WugFresh and recently flashed the 7.1.1 OTA using it. However, I also like using Android Pay, so I don't want to root. I do however want full Google Now integration in Action Launcher 3, now that it's available. I really, really want that.
So I looked into Magisk, and that seems to be the way to go. The problem is that the installation instructions seem inherently contradictory. First, they say you need to revert to stock (does that mean stock 7.1.1 or stock after FDR, btw?). But in the very next step, they tell you to flash Magicsk using TWRP. Huh? How is a custom recovery like TWRP considered stock? I just don't get it.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying my best here, so please don't flame. I used to be comfortable with rooting and ROMing back in the OG Droid days, but as I said, I enjoy Android Pay and my banking app, etc.
Thanks in advance for some clear, non-contradictory instructions.
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Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really.
Now When they say stock then mean bare stock. Full factory wipe (formatting all partitions. Yes you will lose data) then put TWRP on there and go from there.
On a side not. You do yourself a great dis-service by using the tool kit. Make me wonder about the IT professional statement, no true IT person would let something reprogram their equipment without knowing everything that is going on as it happens.

zelendel said:
Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really..
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Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
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Now When they say stock then mean bare stock. Full factory wipe (formatting all partitions. Yes you will lose data) then put TWRP on there and go from there..
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So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
zelendel said:
On a side not. You do yourself a great dis-service by using the tool kit. Make me wonder about the IT professional statement, no true IT person would let something reprogram their equipment without knowing everything that is going on as it happens.
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So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.

unbesorgt said:
Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.
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No need to do a factory reset. The installation instructions state you should restore your BOOT image to stock, nothing else. You can use a custom kernel though (I've been using Franco for some time) and there the recommendation is to flash it before Magisk.
So, in other words, skip step 1.
Edit: But of course, you'll need an unlocked bootloader and if you don't have that already your data will be wiped when unlocking. So... step 1 might be necessary... Oops.

unbesorgt said:
Kind of what I figured, and why I haven't rooted since my Droid Bionic.
So in other words, the correct instructions should be:
1) Perform a Factory Data Reset
2) Flash TWRP
3) Flash Magisk using TWRP
So clearly you ignored my request not to flame. My IT job takes up enough of my time and mental resources that I have no problem using shortcuts like WugFresh as long as (a) I know how to do it manually if needed, and (b) I trust the utility. So tired of seeing this lazy insult. Not everyone has time to type out ADB commands all day long. But thanks for insinuating I'm not a "true IT person" because I prefer not to do so.
Now that I understand what is actually involved, I will just stay stock.
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And see that is where you not wanting to put the time in is starting to bite you. doing a facotry reset isnt really a full clean wipe. You have to format the partitions.
If you dont have the time then you really shouldnt be doing something that could easily leave you with a bricked device and with no one to blame but yourself as you didnt want to take the time to understand what you are doing.
As to what I said. It wasnt flaming it was simple blunt honesty. I know people are not used to that as everyone tries so hard to be PC and not hurt other peoples feelings. Well that is not how things work here. Here you will get honest answers. Might not be answers you like but that is not really something to worry about.
I wasnt insinuating anything. I cant tell you that most the older members of this site are in IT and have been for longer then smartphones have been around. The yare also the ones that tell people not to use them for the simple matter of not knowing how to fix things if something went wrong or even what went wrong at all.

zelendel said:
Well first let me give you some advise. If those apps are important to you then get used to running stock. Google is tighting the grip more and more and very soon you will have to choose. Either having root or using many apps like banking apps and google pay. Cant blame them really.
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Yes, sadly I think you are right about this. I have decided to remain stock 7.1.1. The thing I will never understand is why Google chose to make Google Now launcher integration dependent upon the launcher being a system app? I can already have that feature if I use the Google Now launcher which is part of the stock image, but for various aesthetic reasons I just can't stand it. I get that they want to sell Pixels, but honestly I can't stand the Pixel launcher either, due to the ugly icons, so even if I shelled out the price of a desktop computer for a phone that lacks wireless charging, stereo speakers, and water resistance, I still would be stuck not being able to have Google Now integration with my preferred Action Launcher 3. Why? Google's entire business model is based on people using their search engine and seeing their ads, so why on earth wouldn't they want as many people as possible to use Google Now? Plus I can already access it in multiple different ways, they just all suck because it doesn't stay resident in RAM, causing stuttering and delays. If they would just remove that stupid restriction then people like me wouldn't feel the need to root at all, thereby compromising the security of the device which is so important to them, and it would be a win-win all around. Google used to be smarter than this ... what the hell happened? /rant

Thank you Didgeridoohan for your polite and helpful reply. It is truly appreciated. Glad to know there are still kind people to be found on XDA.
My willingness to use ADB commands vs. a root toolkit had absolutely nothing to do with my question. But some people just can't resist any opportunity to display their smug superiority.

unbesorgt said:
Thank you Didgeridoohan for your polite and helpful reply. It is truly appreciated. Glad to know there are still kind people to be found on XDA.
My willingness to use ADB commands vs. a root toolkit had absolutely nothing to do with my question. But some people just can't resist any opportunity to display their smug superiority.
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He wasn't flaming... Take 2 minutes to learn ADB and fastboot commands and don't rely on some gimmick toolkit. and it will go a long way. For an "it professional" or even anyone relatively familiar with computers this won't be a hard task. If you're messing with your phone you NEED to know how to do this. Don't cry foul when someone points this out.