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BOOOOOOM Apple just dropped the iPhone OS 4.0 A-BOMB

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/
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Wow, they finally got around to basic functionalities after three years. Functionalities that Symbian and WinMo were doing since forever. Very revolutionary and magical. Color me awed.
Just about the only thing Android needs to do to "catch up" is a better multi-tasking UI. Then again, considering the iPhone OS 4.0 will handle a grand total of seven tasks--as opposed to Android showing the last six apps used--well...

folders!!! haha.

jarude said:
folders!!! haha.
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well atleast there starting to catch up
Steve really outdid himself this time

this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!

Austin021296 said:
Well atleast there starting to catch up
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They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.

britoso said:
They just got wallpapers, maybe OS5 will match Eclair.
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LOL so true

So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?

azalex86 said:
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Yes, Apple just ripped off a bunch of features from Android, which will undoubtedly drive iSheep sales up.

ohhh! a bunch of stuff that almost every other phone already has... android, winMo, WebOS...

azalex86 said:
So the iPhone OS 4.0 contains what's currently available for jailbroken iPhones, and adds interactive advertising...
Am I missing something?
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Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing

jasrups said:
Nope, you're not. However for the masses, this update will be very well received. Yes its ridiculous that they took so long to incorporate multitasking and folder functionality, but better late than never.
I was disappointed that there wasn't any interface change, the icon grids seem archaic. The iBook app will be huge. Overall, I think this is what most people were expecting in terms of a software update. The real big news will be whether a hardware update will accompany OS4 (unibody iPhone would be nice).
For now the Nexus still has an edge but the gap is narrowing
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Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)

They dropped the bomb until they put this dud out.
I own a bunch of Apple devices and Ive had an iPhone before. Im not a hater, I just dont think it's cutting edge anymore. I even have an iPad so you can't say Im an apple hater

Is just another iPhone... but still Google needs to get their act together in a few areas. I borrowed a N1 for few days and like it very much, but I have been reluctant to take the plunge because of the following shortcomings:
Google needs to allow Contacts, Tasks and Notes to sync to the N1 (locally and remotely) using Google apps. It also needs to either enhance the Calendar application or make it play nice with Outlook desktop calendar functions. Me and whole bunch of other people I know, are very comfortable with Outlook to manage their email, time, contacts and tasks. Help us migrate to Android and to the Google apps without so much fuzz. Don't leave it to third parties. I don't want to risk my critical data to a vendor that is here today, but might not be here tomorrow. I'm not very happy leaving all my critical data in the cloud, but if I'm going to do it... Google needs to help me get there. Security and the integrity of my data are important. I have confidence in Google, but not on third party vendors for this critical step.
The Music Player needs enhancement and a Google desktop application to manage one's Music Library and multiple playlist is needed. Most decent portable DAP have such application. Maybe Google can partner or acquire a vendor that knows how to do this right.
Just like the new iPhone the inbox of Android needs to be bit more friendly with other email service providers. As with the new IPhone OS 4, multiple Exchange servers should be supported along with the option to have multiple and merged inboxes.
I wonder if others feel the same way. I also know that there are other issues that need to be addressed, but in my case the top two are very important.

The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...

azalex86 said:
Yeah. I was thinking of the big things they could do on the hardware side, but I'm not entirely sure they want to split their market up. People are still using the iPhone 3G, if they do a massive upgrade on hardware, app developers will have to verify it works on 3 different platforms.
Maybe they are just planning on phasing out the 3G completely by next year (considering they were hinting at the lesser features for 3G's OS4), and then using the current 3GS as minimum spec. If they increase screen resolution, they'll have to write some scaling processes as well (a lot can be seen in the iPad)
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I agree with you in that there's no need for them to boost their specs at this point, but I was referring more to a cosmetic facelift. The iPhone has pretty much looked the same for 3 years now and I think even Apple fanboys can agree that everyone is tired of the design.

Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
Also, tamanaco, I believe Sense does most of what you said. Don't believe the Nexus is a very friendly business device...
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So, if I understand you correctly... The N1 is "not" a Music Player... is "not" meant for business... and as you say is "not" for me. So, in your book it's only good to make calls and find yourself on a map? It's called a "Superphone"... What's else is it good for?

SubyWill said:
this is so funny hahaha. they're taking things that phones have already been able to do and making it such a big deal. apple can suck deez nutz.
i can't wait till android os 3.0!!!
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I just pray for it to include VPN, proxy settings, full Exchange support (including tasks), WPA-Enterprise...
But I'm guessing it won't.

Eclair~ said:
The soul purpose of this device is not meant to be a music player, Google does not (and I highly doubt they will) need to create an entire desktop application to move mp3s to the music folder where anyone with the right direction can do this. Managing playlist though is a different story, but I guess it is up to a third party application to do this.
Get a ipod or other portable music device if this is your wish.
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This is not an excuse IMO, the music player definitely needs an update. This is the one area where iPhone has a real advantage over Android. Most users would rather carry one device for everyday use, I know I certainly would.

[Q] Gear 2 vs Gear Fit

So I'm wondering what the actual differences are between the Gear 2 and Gear Fit.
I can see most of them right away:
curved screen
shape & size
internal stuff (camera, IR blaster,..)?
But what are the actual software differences?
Will I get exercise help on Gear 2 same as on Gear Fit?
Also: is that lengthy display handy in everyday life?

Here you can see my video review for Gear Fit.
You can find out what apps does it have, how you can charge it and with which devices is it compatible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq-yS2dWQKc

Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.

klau1 said:
Gear Fit is just a dumb (as in OS absent) watch with fitness functions and LED
Gear 2 is a smart watch that run Tizen OS.
Gear 1 is a smart watch that runs Android.
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Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.

AstroDigital said:
Wrong to say it is Dumb, shows no reading of any reviews.
The Gear Fit, is a smart watch it will show notifications, it will run apps and this is my opinion looks great.
The Gear fit does have a priority OS real time OS, you are not likely to get many new apps but a few may come.
Remember the Gear 2 runs Tizen good luck getting apps for that as well.
At $100 less expensive than the Gear 2, and everything I need I may get the Gear Fit but I will never buy a Gear 2.
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Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
FEATURE PHONE is Marketing BS for DUMB PHONE
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klau1 said:
Just because it runs apps doesn't make it smart.
The Motorola V3 runs jar apps you can install, but it's still considered a Dumb Phone.
DUMB PHONE = FEATURE PHONE
http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/62894/feature-phone
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I am not going to argue, what do I care what you think in my opinion it is a smart device.
And who cares about the V3, I owned own and was not stupid enough to call it a dumb phone. It did more than make calls maybe less that an iPhone which did not even exist at the time.
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
The Gear Fit meets the definition, to think of the Gear Fit as a Timex is wrong.

It's not about what I think.
It's what the academic definition has defined. No Dumb Phone is not synonymous of "Timex Watch". Timex Watch is synonymous to a basic phone with basic calling functions.
But merely having a couple apps and Bluetooth does not make it a Smart Phone.
Are you a member of society? Did you go to school? Are you an educated person? If so, remember how you were taught DEFINITIONS that the rest of society has Established?
If you don't follow the rules, and agree to commonly defined vocabulary, you don't belong to society.
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It's a dumb device.
You can't even develop apps for the Fit. Samsung's not going to release an SDK for it.
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/samsung-gear-fit-isn-t-an-android-or-tizen-device

And where did you think I got the definition?
Made it up?
According the definition of a smart device the Gear Fit is one,
A smart device is an electronic device, generally connected to other devices or networks via different protocols such as Bluetooth, NFC, WiFi, 3G, etc., that can operate to some extent interactively and autonomously.
You gave a definition of a featured phone, the Gear, Gear II, are not phones.

Smart Device is just a term on the binary scale to differentiate things like a Fridge with a computer or one without a computer. Or a DVD player with WiFi or not.
But if you map it to the Phone scale (which is more appropriate), since every watch, like every phone already has a computer, it would fit into the Dumb category.
By Smart Device definition, every phone would be "smart" since it meets that definition.
But not every phone is a smart phone by the definitions on the phone scale
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If it makes things more clear, think of the Fit as a device with a Dumb OS.
It's a smart device, just as my Nest Thermostat is a smart device.
But it's a meaningless measure when applied to watches, you won't be able to tell the difference between a watch with a user configurable file system, installable apps, TO ones stuck without any flexibility like a Feature Phone AKA Dumb Phone
So it's clear that mapping watches to the phone smartness scale is much more meaningful and insightful than merely generic device smartness scale.

You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...n-android-or-tizen-device#MrUwCZDakjYGdKTX.99

AstroDigital said:
You can not compare a smartwatch with a phone, sorry.
Well not I can not.
A smartwatch first.
Tells time.
But to make and or receive phone calls, no smartwatch works without a cell phone. You know the device that makes calls?
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Actually, there are already Smart Watches in more Cell Technology dependent areas like China that have built-in Cell Phone capabilities, and that's let alone the fact that Gear 2 will have a version that takes SIM.
AstroDigital said:
And dumb OS, ..... sorry I can not take you seriously and if I come back I have to say thing I may regret.
A watch that offers notifications, fitness apps, syncs to you device. The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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No offense, but this mentality that something should just do what it's "MEANT" to do, is what hinders innovation.
It's what drove RIM, Palm Inc into the ground.
Pocket PC killed Palm Inc precisely because people were drawn to a PDA capable of being MORE THAN a PDA.
I never knew why some dinosaurs wanted to buy Palm Pilots once Pocket PCs were here. Turns out I was on the right side of history, and you see companies trying to stuff as much functionality into a device as physically possible. :laugh:
Why not push the envelop?
Why not have everything in one device?
You will see one day a device that's a medical tricorder, medical dispenser, communicator, personal computer, feeds the UI into your contact lens, phantom headphone (ultrasonic directional sound waves that travel directly into your ear before becoming audible without needing physical headphones).
AstroDigital said:
A good explanation.....
An RTOS is a far simpler OS than Android, Tizen or iOS and is dedicated to a very specific set of tasks, enabling it to process data without delay.
This means despite the Gear Fit’s smaller memory and slower processor, it can still last longer than the Gear 2 and still competently process all your fitness tasks.
The Gear Fit is focused on features like heart rate monitoring and step counting, so RTOS will allow the device to display more accurate and timely data.
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I find that part hard to believe. So are you saying just because the OS is handling more things at once, it can't handle HRM and Pedometer properly?
So is my Nest Theromstat that handles 200 schedules and wifi, web service, is LESS accurate than an old fashion dedicated Theromstat that does ONE job?
It sounds like Marketing BS to redeem the Fit by say "It has almost ZERO other functions... BUT BUT BUT DON'T WORRY, it does what it does BETTER!!" Just don't ask our engineers, that know it's BS.

AstroDigital said:
The OS is simpler but not dumb.
This is and advantage, I own a Gear I only use it to receive notifications the rest is over kill.
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Sounds like you should have gotten the Pebble. That was solely designed for notifications and little else.
You could have saved yourself hundred dollars and gotten triple the battery life since it runs a 90nm 100MHz CPU from 10 years ago.
Simple devices for simple people...j/k but seriously.........

Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)

AstroDigital said:
Pre-Ordered the Gear Fit.
Did own a Pebble hated the ink display.
Want to run apps, you can not even have a Gear 2 without a real smartphone.
After awhile I said to myself need to carry the Note 3, why not just use the Note 3 for apps.
Not simple per say but rather run real apps on my Cell phone and tablet.
The other guy with the long reply .... chill dude. No way I am reading that huge post. (likely not agree anyway)
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What's the point of reading stuff you agree with? Ever heard of the echo chamber?
You will never gain new perspective and ideas beneficial to you, your life in the long term if all you hear are the ideas already in your head.

Can a Chinese Android MTCB or MTCD be reliable with core features

The only features I really care about are AM/FM radio, Bluetooth phone, Bluetooth Audio streaming, and a working map system with reasonably good sound quality. I want it to be a system that looks like a factory install in my BMW e46 with working steering wheel controls. Really the rest of it is really just fluff to me.
Are either of the MTCB or MTCD units to the point that can be reliable?
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Mine is a Joying - MTCD - for a Jeep
AM/FM is normally something people have a problem with. I dont use that, so no biggie for me.
Bluetooth phone - fine for me, but it does route all the audio to one speaker, so it sounds a little weird, people say they hear me fine though. One annoying thing - the app takes over the screen while in use. So while you are on a call you cannot multi-task
Bluetooth Audio - works fine, steering wheel controls even work as intended. Interface is boring, but def works fine
Map system - I use Google Maps, so it works great, sometimes it lags, but that depends on what else I'm doing. I am going to try an actual navigation app with the GPS sd card adn see how that goes
Sound quality for me is vastly improved over stock. But stock was pretty much crap.
Mine is a Jeep specific unit, and it looks factory. Everyone who has seen it thought it was the factory until I started it up. One guy thought I just tweaked the factory radio, didn't realize it was an entirely different unit.
Let me ask this, what do you listen to via Bluetooth Audio?

CadillacMike said:
Let me ask this, what do you listen to via Bluetooth Audio?
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I have all my music on the phone, mostly ripped from my old CDs. I rarely stream, and when I do, its a local radio station when I am traveling (using TuneIn).

Pattond said:
I have all my music on the phone, mostly ripped from my old CDs. I rarely stream, and when I do, its a local radio station when I am traveling (using TuneIn).
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Well you could just use the A2DP app to stream Bluetooth audio and should have full use of your Steering wheel controls.
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CadillacMike said:
Well you could just use the A2DP app to stream Bluetooth audio and should have full use of your Steering wheel controls.
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That's the plan, I just ordered a MTCD unit, so we will we how it goes.
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Pattond said:
The only features I really care about are AM/FM radio, Bluetooth phone, Bluetooth Audio streaming, and a working map system with reasonably good sound quality. I want it to be a system that looks like a factory install in my BMW e46 with working steering wheel controls. Really the rest of it is really just fluff to me.
Are either of the MTCB or MTCD units to the point that can be reliable?
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You made the right choice. I also have an E46 and installed a MTCB unit approx a year ago and it works well. I have issue with FM but that was a problem with the original BMW Headunit too so suspect my issue is with the antenna or antenna amp. Bluetooth music streaming works well and phone hands free works fine if you install an external mic. The only downside with these units is the memory size. It's partitioned and on the MTCB units, there is only 1GB reserved for apps and 12GB wasted as storage (which hardly any apps can use). I think this has improved on MTCB (2GB instead of 1GB) but you may need to be selective on what apps you install. Let me know if you have any issues and I'll share my experience with you... welcome to the club!!!

So, unlike the Gen1 Kindle Fire, I'm guessing one can't get into the guts and repartition for more app space?
I'm still trying to figure out what 2Din HU to put in my '04 Ram. This side of the fence is more confusing that the phone sections and it's frustrating that a 2Din box has fewer features and less power than a phablet.

ProfEngr said:
So, unlike the Gen1 Kindle Fire, I'm guessing one can't get into the guts and repartition for more app space?
I'm still trying to figure out what 2Din HU to put in my '04 Ram. This side of the fence is more confusing that the phone sections and it's frustrating that a 2Din box has fewer features and less power than a phablet.
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if you use the Malaysk ROM it gives you more room for apps

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if you use the Malaysk ROM it gives you more room for apps
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So then it becomes the job of finding an HU with quirks that I can live with? Any recommendations?

ProfEngr said:
So then it becomes the job of finding an HU with quirks that I can live with? Any recommendations?
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it really takes a lot of searching. Read all you can about what you are looking for here on XDA, try to search for it on Reddit, and even look at the resellers forum like Joying or AutoPumpkin or RoadNavi.com
First decide if you want a Universal unit or a unit specific for your car.
I drive a Jeep Wrangler, and it is not a true Double Din, so I wanted the easiest install as possible. So I chose a Jeep specific unit. That lowers the number of options. Then for my year and model, that limited it down to about RoadNavi.com, Joying, Owince, or AutoPumpkin.
I liked Eonon, but they said they couldn't verify if it would work for my model year, 2016.
So I read a ton on here and their forums, and it seemed like people had more problems with Auto Pumpkin and Owince than they did with RoadNavi or Joying.
Seems like Joying has the most users on here and various forums. So I looked into them heavily. And they were on Amazon, and it was Prime, so I figured if something went wrong, Amazon would help me out.
And even then, it is kind of a crap shoot. I have a 2016 Jeep Wrangler, I got a MTCD Android 5.1 Joying for Jeep, works perfect, couldn't be happier.
my brother in law got the exact same unit, for his 2016 Jeep Wrangler. Except he has the Premium audio package. His we can't get to work right yet.
And know what you want out of it. About 90% of the time, all I use is Spotify and some type of GPS. I switch between Google Maps, Waze, Here WeGo, and iGo. so for me, it is perfect. If you want to use 20 different apps and add ons, things might not go so smoothly.

CadillacMike said:
it really takes a lot of searching. Read all you can about what you are looking for here on XDA, try to search for it on Reddit, and even look at the resellers forum like Joying or AutoPumpkin or RoadNavi.com
First decide if you want a Universal unit or a unit specific for your car.
I drive a Jeep Wrangler, and it is not a true Double Din, so I wanted the easiest install as possible. So I chose a Jeep specific unit. That lowers the number of options. Then for my year and model, that limited it down to about RoadNavi.com, Joying, Owince, or AutoPumpkin.
I liked Eonon, but they said they couldn't verify if it would work for my model year, 2016.
So I read a ton on here and their forums, and it seemed like people had more problems with Auto Pumpkin and Owince than they did with RoadNavi or Joying.
Seems like Joying has the most users on here and various forums. So I looked into them heavily. And they were on Amazon, and it was Prime, so I figured if something went wrong, Amazon would help me out.
And even then, it is kind of a crap shoot. I have a 2016 Jeep Wrangler, I got a MTCD Android 5.1 Joying for Jeep, works perfect, couldn't be happier.
my brother in law got the exact same unit, for his 2016 Jeep Wrangler. Except he has the Premium audio package. His we can't get to work right yet.
And know what you want out of it. About 90% of the time, all I use is Spotify and some type of GPS. I switch between Google Maps, Waze, Here WeGo, and iGo. so for me, it is perfect. If you want to use 20 different apps and add ons, things might not go so smoothly.
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I tend to try to run things past their mfgr's intended limits; modify them if I can or need to. Right now I'm sick of the not-quite-2DIN stock unit. Yes, I have the "premium" infinity audio. Been reading on that and don't want to rip it all out in favor of amps and such that I don't have room for, but in the same sentence will I be able to hook up the droid to the existing hardware. My P.E. skills may not be up to the task as what I think should work is not always the way things go. It seems easy looking at the wiring charts in the truck manual. Getting the output levels of the HU to match what the factory amp expects could be a challenge.
I guess what I really want from it is: Navigation (Waze), Pandora, AM/FM (AM not critical but would like it), VLC/MX Player, external USB storage, custom ROM, tether to hotspot or phone is a must. It's unlikely I'll try to do email or social media on it. Would love to have a 10" model, but my dash has a 'visor' above half the radio cutout that would probably interfere so I'm looking into 7" universal double DIN units.

ProfEngr said:
Yes, I have the "premium" infinity audio. .
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Sorry, but you mean on a Jeep Wrangler?
Well good news is, based on my multiple posts on Jeep Forum, it looks like if you get the Joying Jeep unit and use the side marked "AMP"
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That "AMP" side did not work with the premium Alpine system, but multiple people onJeepForum.com said it works perfectly with the Infiniti system.
I did eventually get it to work with the Alpine system, but I had to use a Joying universal harness and a PAC module and splice them together
Now if you wanted a 7 inch or 10 inch system they would probably work the same way. Just get the universal Joying harness that should come with the 7 inch or 10.1 inch. Then get a PAC or iDataLink or whatever and splice as needed
That is more labor intensive of course. If you can live with the smaller screen of the Jeep specific unit, it should be just plug and play.
And I use Waze and my phones Hotspot all the time
Also Pandora
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Nice pics. Mine's a Ram quadcab though. Good info if the jeeps use the same data bus. Would be nice to keep the steering wheel buttons functional.
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Best 1 DIN device.

Can someone recommend a good device for a vehicle with 1 DIN?
Preferably the display that comes out should remain vertical and should not tilt back because the car's plastics overhang the 1 DIN frame/area
Thank you in advance for your time/expertise.
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I recently got the pioneer AVH-Z7100DAB as i wanted one from pioneer for the nice sound they give and it was the only one i could find from pioneer with big screen & android auto that is 1din. My previous was the older pioneer AVH-5200BT which had no android auto has the same 1din big screen that comes out of the radio and i was very satisfied with the quality so i am pretty confident this upgrade with android (and mirrorlink, carstream,..) will do the same good job
(edit : yes, you can select for it to stay vertical or tilt it or also move a little further from the backside)

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I recently got the pioneer AVH-Z7100DAB as i wanted one from pioneer for the nice sound they give and it was the only one i could find from pioneer with big screen & android auto that is 1din. My previous was the older pioneer AVH-5200BT which had no android auto has the same 1din big screen that comes out of the radio and i was very satisfied with the quality so i am pretty confident this upgrade with android (and mirrorlink, carstream,..) will do the same good job
(edit : yes, you can select for it to stay vertical or tilt it or also move a little further from the backside)
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Sounds perfect! Unfortunately it's very pricey. I really appreciate the advice but I should have added "at reasonable price"!
Can you recommend anything under 200€?
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I only need maze or google navigation (GPS), DAB radio, Bluetooth to stream music from my phone, phone support (make/receive calls + phone contracts display), android apps compatible.
The sound quality and sound power are not priority as I almost never listen to music.
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Send perfect! Unfortunately it's very pricey. I really appreciate the advice but I should have added "at reasonable price"!
Can you recommend anything under 200€?View attachment 4700631
I only need maze or google navigation (GPS), DAB radio, Bluetooth to stream music from my phone, phone support (make/receive calls + phone contracts display), android apps compatible.
The sound quality and sound power are not priority as I almost never listen to music.
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Sounds like you're in the wrong forum. This one is for Android Auto headunits. You might want to check other forums for info on the cheap Chinese units which run the Android OS.

No, I think that I'm in the correct forum, unless there is a price discrimination of which I'm not aware.
I need something exacting like the Pioneer device, just cheaper. It's not about functions, as much as about price.
Can you recommend anything under 200€?
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Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced 1 DIN Android device?
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Have you tried looking through those on Aliexpress? Just try search for 1 DIN Android and see if you can find one that as a minimum of 2GB RAM (NOT ROM, Memory or whatever they call it sometimes)

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Have you tried looking through those on Aliexpress? Just try search for 1 DIN Android and see if you can find one that as a minimum of 2GB RAM (NOT ROM, Memory or whatever they call it sometimes)
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Thank you for the advice that I appreciate. I will research for 2GB RAM or more. That's a good tip.
Are there other characteristics that I should look for?
Anyway, I searched and found some older, used, Pioneer units on eBay but I'm a bit hesitant regarding second hand electronics. If I buy new items on Amazon, then I'm protected against junk or non working units. I sent back a dashcam after 7 months and got a full refund as, apparently, others were experiencing troubles.
... I cannot believe that anything less than that Pioneer is simply junk.
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I personally would only look for at least 2GB RAM, nothing else. Oh and capacitive screen, not resistive like that Pioneer mentioned earlier.
You are protected on eBay as a buyer, but if the item matches description, there will not be much you can do.
I would try buy new from Aliexpress rather than used from somewhere else, but it's just me. You have buyer proitection on Aliexpress and possible refunds (partial or total) if something is not right. Buyer is not paid until you click confirm after you received the item and it is working.

Thanks again for the additional advice. I did not know that Aliexpress offered protection and later I will look into Aliexpress too. For now I found these:
1. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07HF7FHWC/?coliid=I3KUACOID1XBJ3&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
2. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07C5P2GHP/?coliid=IUNUZJ39X6P8N&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
3. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B077YH2TTV/?coliid=I167QPSWOA29OM&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
4. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0799KRW97/?coliid=I1IR3M8P28XSK7&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
5. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07JNLFS19/?coliid=IZ5CFKNRH63N4&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
6. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B0774LW7Z6/?coliid=I233OGMY40HWIK&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
7. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07GPL1D8R/?coliid=I1MKXV18CP9BLA&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
8. https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07GGXWN64/?coliid=I2CHUI03CCRQB6&colid=3025DE5W07WS1&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I like number [1.] best for looks but I am not sure about technical details. It shows 4GB ... number [2.], [3.] and [4.] all seem pretty much the same with little differences. Any recommendations? Which one would you go for?
Later I hope to have some time to check Aliexpress too. Again, thank you for sharing both your time and expertise!
PS: my car's walnut cover of the 1 DIN slot tilts open and when it does, it protrudes for 1.2cm, on top of the slot itself. So the screen must not slant backwards or it will touch the walnut cover.

Non-english I can't help. But There are reviews there on Amazon, read them And many are 800 * 480 resolution, that is very low.

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Non-english I can't help. But There are reviews there on Amazon, read them And many are 800 * 480 resolution, that is very low.
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Thank you. I appreciate you looking at then anyway.
Is TFT the correct display tipe?
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They will all be TFT. Look for Capacitive, not Resistive.

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They will all be TFT. Look for Capacitive, not Resistive.
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From your post i desume that TFT does not describe capacitive or resistive (I thought TFT was capacitive).
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Yes. Do not assume, you can always enter "what is TFT screen" into Google

So, you are looking for a cheap Chinese unit which runs Android, and not an Android Auto unit like you said earlier. This is the wrong place, as I said.

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So, you are looking for a cheap Chinese unit which runs Android, and not an Android Auto unit like you said earlier. This is the wrong place, as I said.
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Apologies...
What is the difference?
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The common Chinese units run Android, you install apps on the head unit, and it needs to connect to a hotspot on the phone to get Internet access and be useful. Android Auto units basically provides a display and touchscreen for the phone to use, and gives you a simplified interface for apps installed on the phone which are written to use it. They're very different things.

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The common Chinese units run Android, you install apps on the head unit, and it needs to connect to a hotspot on the phone to get Internet access and be useful. Android Auto units basically provides a display and touchscreen for the phone to use, and gives you a simplified interface for apps installed on the phone which are written to use it. They're very different things.
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Hi Mike,
Apologies for contradicting you but I have a rear view mirror dashcam, of Chinese manufacture, that does not need a hot spot from my phone as it has a 4G SIM card slot and does all that you describe for the Android Auto units, word by word. Plus it has a reversing camera, google maps, make phone calls, accesses internet and lots more, independently of my phone.
It cost me only 135€.
So I ask once again, where is the difference?
I am looking for something like my rear view dashcam recorder but without the recorder that I don't need for my 1 DIN slot.
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Hi Mike,
I have a rest view mirror dashcam, of Chinese manufacture, that does exactly what you describe, word by word, plus reversing camera, plus google maps, plus it has a slot for a telephone SIM card to make calls and access internet independently of my phone.
It cost me only 135€.
So it looks like they are exactly the same...
So I ask once again, where is the difference?
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Exactly the same as what? What you describe is not an Android Auto unit, it's a unit running the Android OS.
Google "Android Auto."

Moved to iOS

I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.

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And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.

Good luck and let us know when you return....

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Good luck and let us know when you return....
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Or not. That's OK, too.

Biggenz said:
I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, but after 10 years of being an avid Android fan and supporter, I have moved back to iOS and the iPhone 14 Pro Max.
All I can say is I don't regret it one bit. I was the first to make fun of iPhone users in the past, but Apple have made such strides, it's a real pleasure to be back. Yes Apple wait years to implement features that have been available on Android for ages and call it new and revolutionary, but what they do, they do better than anyone else. The biggest thing is just the cohesiveness between the hardware and software. Everything works flawlessly together and the user interface looks great.
What has annoyed me with Android are things like manufacturers not having their own email or messaging apps. You're forced to download a third party app which never really feels in tune with the particular phone/skin/version of Android. And yes you can say the Gmail app is the stock Android email app, but not everyone is a fan, including me. I know it's probably unavoidable due to nature of AOSP, but still, there is a clear divide between the hardware and software for the most part compared to iOS.
The other thing that stopped me using (and mocking) iOS is the fact that a lot of things were a pain in the backside to do and the general incompatibility with a lot of platforms. That seems to have changed as well as I had no issues connecting directly to my NAS drive and Windows PC to access all my files, either while on the same LAN or through 5G when I'm not at home. Youtube Vanced (now ReVanced) was another big thing, but you have options in iOS for that as well.
App tracking was another reason I made the switch. You can simply disable app tracking for all apps with one toggle and all newly installed apps will abide by this as well. Yes, no one really knows if it stops all tracking in its entirety, but it's an option that is not available in Android. You can use a third party app like Blokada to achieve the same result, but you cannot run a VPN service at the same time. Now I can run my VPN service and have app tracking blocked at the same time. Not to mention battery life. I am not a super heavy user, but I get three days out of a single charge with 20% battery left. Even with heavy use, you will struggle to kill this thing's battery in a day as you get 10-14 hours of screen on time depending on how you use it. Standby drain is also nonexistent, the bane of so many Android users' lives, mine included. The cameras and especially video recording is also top notch. Possibly a little boring compared to some of the features you get in Android, but as an everyday point and shoot device, it's hard to beat.
Notifications is the one thing where I would say I still prefer the way it's done in Android, but with everything else working so well I can forgive that. Price is another drawback as Apple charge ridiculous amounts for their hardware, so this is the only time in 10 years where I will keep the same phone for more than a year.
I will still keep my Pixel and have it as a backup phone, but for now I am super happy I made the switch. And I will understand it if not many of you agree.
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Most sincere condolences

I agree with you. System IOS showed myself very good thought last years. I think that IOS more stability than Android OS thought it has not so great functionality.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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It's not about whether we agree, but whether we care. We don't.
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Actually, that's a rather self-indulgent/pompous comment to assume that "we" don't care. "You" might not care but I'm glad to hear about the experiences of people that have had both Android and Apple products. I've had Windows mobile phones and am now going on my 4th or 5th Android device, but I've never had an Apple product. I'm very much interested in the point of view of somebody that has lived with both products.

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*useless drivel snipped"
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Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Please. At the time this thread was originally posted it was in the Pixel 6 forums...an Android phone. The only reason they made that post was to grab the spotlight. And you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
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You're the one with Apple on your face

iPhone 14 Pro Max? are you sure?))

Android is just far better than iOS at this stage, it might be cohesive and all but honestly it still sucks

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The good thing about Android for me is F-Droid.
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And the ability to install any apk.

I promised myself that I would never use IOS. Android is enough for me and for now, I will stick to this position, but maybe someday I will change my mind just like you.