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Note 4 or iPhone 6+

Hey guys my mind are messing with me, I'm so confused I had android since 2009 and now I'm thinking switching to iPhone 6+ bigger screen, I had all mobiles from HTC to Samsung, I'm afride If I'm going to buy note 4 it will be laggy on touchwiz plus they never update there phone, look at iPhone they update there iPhone 4 and it 4 years old, what do you think is this note 4 gonna be better choice?

Hey guys my mind are messing with me, I'm so confused I had android since 2009 and now I'm thinking switching to iPhone 6+ bigger screen, I had all mobiles from HTC to Samsung, I'm afride If I'm going to buy note 4 it will be laggy on touchwiz plus they never update there phone, look at iPhone they update there iPhone 4 and it 4 years old, what do you think is this note 4 gonna be better choice?

Don't get me wrong I am not fan of company, I just buy what deserves to be bought and fits my requirement, but iphone 6+ is not worth the money that's for sure, you might buy it only if you're a big fool and love to show off an expensive sh*t to your friends, better go with Note 4. And what makes you call touchwiz laggy? I had the Note 3 I never saw any touchwiz lag and with new gen of touchwiz it should be butter smooth, tho I can be wrong as I haven't used the new touchwiz just yet but I feel it will be smooth and Samsung does updates their phone, rest your choice.

Stay with Android. Trust me.

If you're thinking about gettibg a iPhone 6 why not consider a nexus 4. ???

Stay with android. After Android L update you will get speed boost.

If they weren't so grossly overpriced (over $1000 with tax for the highest range 6+, I mean come on), I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the new iPhones. For pretty much everyone I know, their lackluster specs are all they really need. But seeing as how you're on XDA, the Note 4 is without question the better option.

I bought the 6+ and note 3 and to be honest it actually sucks. I have had iphones and note series from day 1.
The 6+ feels cheap. the siftware has issues. Not all of them are optimized so it feels like when the ipad was released. Apps looked zoomed in. I will get rid of this and get a note for sure. It just has so much more to offer than the iphone.
jasonleb1 said:
If they weren't so grossly overpriced (over $1000 with tax for the highest range 6+, I mean come on), I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the new iPhones. For pretty much everyone I know, their lackluster specs are all they really need. But seeing as how you're on XDA, the Note 4 is without question the better option.
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I don't care about phones getting dropped from updates after a couple years for a couple reasons. First off old devices on new software (I'm speaking about iOS) run like a bag of ****. My sister is using my old 4 and it runs like garbage. Secondly most people don't keep a phone for more then 2 years anyway so updates become irrelevant.
iPhones are great if you don't mind paying a premium for outdated hardware on a platform that is always behind Android. Apple does provide a fantastic warranty though, I'll give them that. Granted my S3 has never had issues and in my circle iPhones seem to be more problematic (that may not mean anything though).
For me Android is about flexibility and features that are years ahead of anything on an iPhone (for the most part). I'm patiently waiting to replace my aging S3 with a Note 4 because I believe it is the best phone of 2014.

If you get the 6+, all you see is a bigger screen, no more no less, now even with the big screen the quality is still not compare to the note4. The note4 which I have read many reviews, they all stated that it has zero lags (using snapdragon chip instead of Exynos) and the more you're going to use the phone, you will appreciate all the new features of the note4, like wide angle front camera, super smooth Spen, mutitask/multiscreen. Multitask/multiscreen is a big deal for me, imagine, while you on the phone talking, you could search the web, looking for something, circle it open messager, paste and send. Basically you could open multiple apps and flip through them like on your PC. Iphone is way lack of multitasking (none), this is one feature where note 4 is on the top. Now you should ask yourself, with the iphone beside a bigger screen what else can you do???

I thought about the 6+... no I actually stayed up, pre-ordered, but cancelled it. While 6+ is a very nice phone, I am pretty sure the next iOS update will cripple it. Apple is pushing for software optimization while staying 1GB of RAM, I have to say it is enough for now, but higher screen resolution and richer multimedia content will push the it to the limit, doesn't matter how they freeze the app while it is in background, the next time you relaunch it, it will restart the app instead of resuming it, the same problem we saw with earlier Windows Phone. The next version of iOS might even be more useful (common Apple, give us default app option, and lock screen rotation per app), I will stick with Note 4 for this year around.

buhohitr said:
If you get the 6+, all you see is a bigger screen, no more no less, now even with the big screen the quality is still not compare to the note4. The note4 which I have read many reviews, they all stated that it has zero lags (using snapdragon chip instead of Exynos) and the more you're going to use the phone, you will appreciate all the new features of the note4, like wide angle front camera, super smooth Spen, mutitask/multiscreen. Multitask/multiscreen is a big deal for me, imagine, while you on the phone talking, you could search the web, looking for something, circle it open messager, paste and send. Basically you could open multiple apps and flip through them like on your PC. Iphone is way lack of multitasking (none), this is one feature where note 4 is on the top. Now you should ask yourself, with the iphone beside a bigger screen what else can you do???
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I agree on that Sir, but I'm just tired of touchwiz being laggy and they don't support there phone like apple do, I've heard that google gonna take over the update for all android let's hope it true but again am 95% of buying the note and the 5% is the annoying 6+

darkkain said:
Stay with android. After Android L update you will get speed boost.
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We can bet on that the L only coming for note 5 and s6 it always like that on Samsung devices

I got the iPhone 6, not the + but I saw it in store today. Although it's a nice phone the note 4 is the better device without a doubt. Just put the hype aside, you'll see that the note is the clear winner.
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The Note 4 was my next phone of choice. I have now seen the Plus. Tbh these phones offer a different user experience. One is not necessarily better than the other. There are features on both that are unique. It really is a difficult call. I want to see evidence of both cameras in use. Not available yet. And full features of both. But features versus user experiences are two different things.

saifullah90 said:
I agree on that Sir, but I'm just tired of touchwiz being laggy and they don't support there phone like apple do, I've heard that google gonna take over the update for all android let's hope it true but again am 95% of buying the note and the 5% is the annoying 6+
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Touchwiz on note4 is super smooth, no lags based on all the review I read. The beauty with Android is ton of options/customization, you always can just pick another launcher ) , throw in another feature to convince you - super charge 0-50% in 30min and super power saving mode give you 2 more days with only10% battery capacity left. The list just goes on and on...BTW, I believe Android L will be on note 4 when it released. Based on the history, the S3 which is 2 generation old and it's running on kitkat right now, so I'm sure Android L will be on the note 4.

buhohitr said:
Touchwiz on note4 is super smooth, no lags based on all the review I read. The beauty with Android is ton of options/customization, you always can just pick another launcher ) , throw in another feature to convince you - super charge 0-50% in 30min and super power saving mode give you 2 more days with only10% battery capacity left. The list just goes on and on...BTW, I believe Android L will be on note 4 when it released. Based on the history, the S3 which is 2 generation old and it's running on kitkat right now, so I'm sure Android L will be on the note 4.
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Touchwiz will lag. It always has, and always will. That's not to say that the note 4 won't be great.. Samsung just adds so many useless features, and makes the ui look trashy.... So it weighs down the interface. I'm ecstatic with what the note 4 brings, and the fact that it releases on my birthday.. Happy birthday to me!! Ha! Also, L may not come to the Note 4. It takes Samsung too long to catch up to Google with firmware.. And then you have carriers that get their grubby hands on it. If it comes? Awesome! Just means it needs more optimization.. Cuz art
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they did a camera test ip6/+ vs S5 and the s5 won ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNAHv-E1HWU

saifullah90 said:
Hey guys my mind are messing with me, I'm so confused I had android since 2009 and now I'm thinking switching to iPhone 6+ bigger screen, I had all mobiles from HTC to Samsung, I'm afride If I'm going to buy note 4 it will be laggy on touchwiz plus they never update there phone, look at iPhone they update there iPhone 4 and it 4 years old, what do you think is this note 4 gonna be better choice?
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Yeah well these are pro Android forums so...
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I would get G3 ?

Galaxy note 5 is the new Windows 8

I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!

Galaxaster said:
I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.

POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.

Toss3 said:
Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.

POLO_i780 said:
No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.

Toss3 said:
There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.

POLO_i780 said:
Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..

wase4711 said:
I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
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Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
Claiming:
4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.

Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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Toss3 said:
There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.

Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)

So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....

POLO_i780 said:
You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.

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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.

POLO_i780 said:
You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.

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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/

Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!

bonerp said:
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.

Toss3 said:
Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Note 4 to LG G4 Pro/Note

Something, maybe the pro/note will be released/announced on Thursday. I didn't sidegrade to the note 5 for reasons discussed elsewhere (ie unavailable in UK, no sd slot or removable battery and appallingly slow upgrades by Sammy).
So looking out for the next big thing ( ) which won't be Samsung until they start listening to their customers rather than trying to copy apple....
Now the big question is whether or not to wait until 2016 releases to get something which is a fairly big upgrade from the n4 or try the LG.
I doubt this will come with the 820 chip so the difference between this and my note 4 will likely be a fingerprint scanner and 5.8" screen. The rest will be fairly comparable unless they launch with a really high end finish which has been touted (and denied!).
Just wondering where other note 4 users are at, especially those who upgrade when the next best thing is launched and have had their note 4 for 12 months and are wanting to try something new....:good:

Same thoughts here

I'm keen to see what comes out the Google event today. I've been toying with the idea of leaving the note 4 behind and moving to the nexus range. My opinion is, if you want quick, fast reliable android updates nothing is going to beat the Nexus range.
To be honest, fault apple all you want, but they certainly got the whole software upgrade down to a T.

Nobody has had their Note 4 12months unless they had a test unit.
I have had my Note 4 since launch week, and I have decided to wait until next year. Nothing released in 2015 is worth moving to from a Note 4. The Snapdragon 810 phones overheat and have crap battery life, 808 phones have weak GPUs, MediaTek...the less the bettes. The 2015 Samsung phones are just iPhone Clones.
Nothing worth getting in 2015.
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If LG actually stops faffing about with crappy capacitive styluses on downgraded variants and puts a real active digitizer pen in there, be it Wacom, N-trig or anyone else (preferably Wacom for tablet PC/Galaxy Note compatibility reasons), maybe we'd have a Galaxy Note competitor when we need it most.
Literally every other phone line, Nexus included, is irrelevant to me without that.
But until that happens or Samsung snaps to their senses with the Note 6, the only alternative to the Note 4 is another Note 4.
With all that said, a lot of people are on two-year contracts for their phones anyway, though that's quickly getting abandoned here by every carrier that isn't AT&T. Upgrading after just one year seems a bit hasty, and when you're coming from a Note 4, you're probably going to be downgrading in some respect.

Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!

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Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!
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stagefright fixed already for note 4

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stagefright fixed already for note 4
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if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.

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if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.
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if im not wrong besides carrier phones in us note 4 also got it pretty fast. note 4 is actually getting all updates pretty fast but i dont know why there is a big drama among note 4 users. only regional updates are very stupid.

clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.

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clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.
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like i said regional updates are stupid. waiting more than 1 or 2 month for an update which is released for other countries is worst about samsung.

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-officially-unveils-v10-second-screen-and-dual-front-facing-cameras
tempting? I think it looks good. Liking some of the new features but the back could do with an upgrade! No UK launch imminent though grrr

after a disappointing experience with the G3 (which is still a decent phone, but the bootloader needing a hack to flash roms and build quality put me off) I ditched it for the note4. I'd be a bit wary of LG phones. Most 'flagship' phones seem to be using the snapdragon 808 or 810 for the moment unless i'm mistaken. not sure they're really worth the upgrade. I would wait until 2016.
if samsung makes a decent note6 again with a SoC which isn't a pain in the ass to port to i think that could be very interesting.

I'm rather interested in the MS Talkman 950XL. Windows phone ecosystem seems a happy medium between Android and Apple.

Nexus 6P was my option but then again no microsd/removable battery.
Right now my Note 4 is really smooth with 5.1.1. And samsung announced theyre gonna release Marsmellows for Note 4, so Im just gonna wait another year.
Lg 4 pro isnt that big of a upgrade compared to Note 4.
Also my next phone must have infrared like N4. I cant live without it.

Should I order Iphone 7 Plus and return Note 7, or will Note 7 be here soon?

I'm trying to decide if I should go ahead and order an IPhone 7 plus or wait it out. With the government getting involved is there any chance we will get our new Notes before sometime in Oct or is that off the table now? Is there a chance Samsung scraps the Note 7 this year?
Just wondering if Note 7 took a big hit this year and it is dead basically.
What is everyone's opinion? Is the 7 Plus an as premium device as the Note 7? Or should I stick this wait out? I really like the Note, but I'm sick of the tiny screen on my S7 I'm using right now while my Note 7 is boxed up.
With Samsung offering loaners now, is it safe to say it will be awhile before replacements are here?
Tell me the pros and cons of having a 7 Plus versus Note 7. Yes, I know note has spen and expandable memeory.

Just because Note 7 may not be your device doesn't mean you should go for iPhone 7 or 7 Plus.
You should ask yourself which ecosystem works for you the best. You have Android and Apple iOS ecosystems and OSes. Apple iOS ecosystem and OS is designed for ease of use. While Android is designed to be customized to work the way you want and works best for you. Apple iOS OS closed source and closed ecosystem giving you more security, but less control and less you can do with the apps and hardware. While Android is open source OS and open ecosystem this actually giving you more that you can do with the apps and hardware as well as more control over your experience with the device. This is what you should be using in making the decision rather than this one Android device (when there is so many Android devices in the market and will be shortly) over iPhone 7/Plus.
They are many Android devices that are out now and getting released shortly. I would recommend checking them out first before making a decision.
Again Apple iOS and Android are not interchangeable and are completely different ecosystems & OSes that are designed for completely two different people.
The issue with Galaxy Note 7 right now is that it was released out before it was ready. So basically we are early adopters of Note 7. There are the bad as well as the good that comes with being early adopters of technology. Within a month or two the Galaxy Note 7 will be fine for the masses.
This has nothing to do with Android as a whole. This has to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy Note 7 before it was ready. So don't judge Android over Samsung's issues with Galaxy Note 7.
Just remember Apple antenna issues with iPhone in the past. Possible hardware issues at first release is always possible and does happen from time to time even with Apple as well as Android hardware manufacturers. Keep that in mind.
BTY - This is most likely the best answer you going to get since we are Android people here. Just saying.
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Just get an iPhone, i mean why else would you put so much effort in this thread? If we tell you to wait for the note 7 then this thread would have made no sense since you have doubts in your mind whether which to get...smh i swear i always use the analogy of sports teams, do you switch from Yankees to Boston because Yankees is losing? That's such a scumbag move if you ask me, so because samsung is down your not going to stick by their side in hopes that it will obviously get better? No, you wanna go and hop to not just the next "best" thing, you wanna jump to a whole different platform, a whole different format, the rival of Android "IO effin S" how dare you!! Just get an iPhone dude, I'm already pissed! GO GET AN IPHONE!!!LOG OFF OF XDA AND GET AN IPHONE!! SAY GOODBYE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE U COULDNT WAIT!!! JESUS CHRIST!! IM LIVID!
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Decaf dude..... and to the op asking that type of question in an android forum will only provoke one type of response. By the way should I wipe my butt after I poop? I mean I could wait for a new poop to come out or I could try something new.
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Im swapping mines out for the 7plus. If I hear better results from the peeps here (on their new N7s). I'll pay the restocking fee and re-cop the N7.

Returned mine yesterday and preordered the 7 plus. I had an old 6 plus sitting in a drawer and couldn't pass up their trade in promo for the iPhone. Too bad they're back ordered till the first week in October already.
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Guys. There's no denying that iOS is closed source and therefore has less flexibility than Android. Another thing you have to consider though is Android phones, as good as they are, they have many many bad things. Modern Galaxy phones are harder to repair/replace parts yourself, have very poor resale value, and can get slow and depleted battery life extremely fast. Consider this. The iPhone 6S, a year old phone, is beating the recently released Note 7 in benchmarks and real world usage, with a dual core chip and 2GB of RAM vs Quad (And Exynos Octa) core SoC and 4GB of RAM.

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Guys. There's no denying that iOS is closed source and therefore has less flexibility than Android. Another thing you have to consider though is Android phones, as good as they are, they have many many bad things. Modern Galaxy phones are harder to repair/replace parts yourself, have very poor resale value, and can get slow and depleted battery life extremely fast. Consider this. The iPhone 6S, a year old phone, is beating the recently released Note 7 in benchmarks and real world usage, with a dual core chip and 2GB of RAM vs Quad (And Exynos Octa) core SoC and 4GB of RAM.
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Can you give an a link for the test of real life usage? I know they perform a speed test with games and other stuff, but that is not even close to real life usage.
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Can you give an a link for the test of real life usage? I know they perform a speed test with games and other stuff, but that is not even close to real life usage.
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These are the 2 main ones I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEmvbYvmnGE
What real life usage do you mean that isn't even close?

This is the dumbest thread ever. Op kill it please.
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These are the 2 main ones I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEmvbYvmnGE
What real life usage do you mean that isn't even close?
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I seen those videos before, but for me that is not real life situations I really use my phone for business, I use Word, Excel, Outlook, on daily basis, my son is Apple fan and I brought the iPhone 6S plus for him. Because his work he needs to use outlook all the time, and he is impress on how fast my note7 is in receiving attachments and sending them comparing with his phone. That is just an example, but there are more situations when his phone loose connectivity where my phone still have full connectivity.
I already pre order the IPhone 7 plus for my son. I will be waiting for my note 7 when become available to be exchanged.
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parusia said:
I seen those videos before, but for me that is not real life situations I really use my phone for business, I use Word, Excel, Outlook, on daily basis, my son is Apple fan and I brought the iPhone 6S plus for him. Because his work he needs to use outlook all the time, and he is impress on how fast my note7 is in receiving attachments and sending them comparing with his phone. That is just an example, but there are more situations when his phone loose connectivity where my phone still have full connectivity.
I already pre order the IPhone 7 plus for my son. I will be waiting for my note 7 when become available to be exchanged.
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There's no denying that either. Samsung phones get better reception than iPhones.

First thing: Samsung is not Android itself. Android is Google OS that manufacture's install on their devices. There are several manufactures that use Android on their devices. Samsung is not the only manufacture that uses Android. So judging Android by Samsung devices like Note 7 is being unfair to Android itself.
Again: choosing between Android and iOS is ALL ABOUT THE ECOSYSTEM. The hardware is secondary.
Nexus Sailfish, Nexus Marlin, Xiaomi Redmi 4, Xiaomi Mi Note 2, Asus Zenfone 3, OnePlus 3, Sony Xperia Z5, LG V20, and so much more devices for this year, 2016.
What I am saying is that no one should be judging Android vs iOS over hardware. They both are about the ecosystem. Once you chosen which ecosystem then you choose your device by what you want from the hardware. Not the other way around.
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yes yes yes get rid of android phones there nothing but trouble return it the note and buy the iPhone 7 plus apple is the best no other company or phone can beat apple products hands down

Applelicious said:
yes yes yes get rid of android phones there nothing but trouble return it the note and buy the iPhone 7 plus apple is the best no other company or phone can beat apple products hands down
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Again: Samsung is not Android itself.

We all need to wait and see if there is not going to be iBoom fiasco
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I'm trying to decide if I should go ahead and order an IPhone 7 plus or wait it out. With the government getting involved is there any chance we will get our new Notes before sometime in Oct or is that off the table now? Is there a chance Samsung scraps the Note 7 this year?
Just wondering if Note 7 took a big hit this year and it is dead basically.
What is everyone's opinion? Is the 7 Plus an as premium device as the Note 7? Or should I stick this wait out? I really like the Note, but I'm sick of the tiny screen on my S7 I'm using right now while my Note 7 is boxed up.
With Samsung offering loaners now, is it safe to say it will be awhile before replacements are here?
Tell me the pros and cons of having a 7 Plus versus Note 7. Yes, I know note has spen and expandable memeory.
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No amoled 2k, Samsung Pay, widgets, real NFC, removable storage, s pen features, etc. The first four really do it for me. I'm sure I'm forgetting some features I take for granted too.

you couldn't pay me to get an iphone. i can't stand ios. even if i don't keep my note 7 i am staying with an android phone. more than likely an lg v20

Lets be honest here the first Iphone and the latest look the same. I mean Apple was bashing Samsung for the large phone and look now. To me if you want to go backwards then get an Iphone. Also I purchase phones like Oneplus and Nexus because I like pure Android which if all you have had is Samsung you have no clue what it truly is.
My phone today has the google contacts and dialer instead of Samsung. I use Nova with a Nougat based theme and the icons and background have all been changed. Yeah I like Samsung Pay and honestly its a good phone but my 1+3 for half the price is a beautiful phone as well, it also runs close to stock android with a couple of nice features I wish Sammy would pick up
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This is the dumbest thread ever. Op kill it please.
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got to admit this as well as there is no real basis to create a thread about a subjective question. Whether you go to IOS or wait has no bearing on us and the fact you want to go to IOS people in here would be good ridence. IJS

Flip a coin...

just a quick question, how did you manage to get google dialer installed? I had been trying for a while and then eventually gave up on it

Why buy Samsung ?

I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?

For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.

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For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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Same here lol
Btw, you should try this company, they are offering free cases for s10
https://armadillotek.com/

garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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First thing is that I love the Galaxy series.
Why Samsung??
All I am gonna do is just browse through Internet,social media, capture some decent looking pictures and I need phone with a display which is best in industry and has a great design and build quality.
When I think of all these the only thing that comes to my mind is the Galaxy series. I agree that OP phones are faster than the galaxy series but when it comes design and build samsung is well better.

Best quality display is keeping the samsung unique in the market. Viewing angles is great in samsung displays. Especially in camera it has variable aperture and a super slow motion. And still it has a headphone jack and micro SD slot.

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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.

Kaliaila said:
Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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The Note 9 came out with Oreo as well as pretty much all the other myriad Samsung phones in that same release year. The Note 8 getting Pie only 6 months (the global Samsung release is this month) after Pie is officially released is impressive given the number of phones ahead of it. If your phone is not getting it this month it is due to the branding of your phone and that wireless provider holding it up.
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Global release means nothing if only a few people get it or only a few versions of the phone get it at that time. The point I'm making is that IMO it's pathetic Samsung takes even 6 months to update the OS on a phone that was a flagship when it came out a bit over a year ago. The Note 9 is all they care about right now since it's the latest one out but soon enough once they have your money, they'll care only about the S10. IMO, Samsung has an obligation to upgrade phones quickly and timely, specially on devices they charged nearly 1k and were/had flagship status when released. Meanwhile, phones like the Essential (practically unknown and on sale for $239 on Amazon get it on the day is released by Google). I clearly get the concept of skins added on to the OS to provide extra features which adds to testing time etc... but IMO 6 month + is a pathetic timeline for a flagship phone. As per your thinking, I suggest Samsung adds a disclaimer to the box of a new phone which states "Due to the impressive number of phones made ahead of yours, updates will come on this flagship 6+ months after the official release date". I wonder how many people would buy it if they came clear and admitted it? As much as I love Samsung (proof is that I've owned almost every note), I do not excuse their shortcomings when it comes to OS updates.
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Samsung offer a lot more hardware than a OnePlus. Waterproofing, headphone jack, heart rate scanner, better cooling/heatsink. Also wireless charging, MST payment (very useful in Asian countries where NFC payments are non existent), better screen, better camera.
I have owned both OnePlus(3) and Samsung (Note 8) devices. In general, I have observed that the Note 8 receives monthly updates which are extremely stable. Whereas OnePlus has released half baked updates (like 7.0 for OP3) followed by hotfixes.
Honestly, if OnePlus for still around the 450$ price, it would be unbeatable.
Edit: Forgot pressure sensitive home button.

Apple updates its iOS software incrementally over the year until a revamp of the operating system is released before new iPhones come out in September. The same can also be said of Android where the operating system gets a new refresh once a year. Two different O/S ecosystems, two different O/S update systems. You can't make everyone happy.

LOS support "forever".

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Well no more with s10...

The galaxy S10 is actually cheaper than the 2017's iPhone X in my country :/
We can pre order it for 929$ with a free galaxy watch and a free wireless charger, while the iPhone X is for 950$+
Also the apple "lower end" iPhone XR is more expensive than the S10...
I am talking about the regular S10, not the S10 plus or the S10e.
Samsung offers more than apple and is still cheaper, it offers more than any android phone also. They have everything you can ask for in a smartphone.

garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.

To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).

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To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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Note 10 is a definite no. The Note 10 will be pretty much the S10 with a slightly larger screen and S-Pen goodies. They've never strayed too far from the S line when it comes to the Note. It's bigger, more powerful, etc. but it usually doesn't stray far from the S version of its year.

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I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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1st off I always buy the unlocked version of the latest Galaxy S phone so I do not have all the nasty bloatware which comes from the carriers. The unlocked versions are very clean.
Regarding price, I'm looking at pre-ordering the S10+ for $999 (It will end up costing me $599 after trading in my old phone + using a gift card from xmas) Yes it will be the most I've ever paid for a new phone, but Samsung screens cannot be beat. I love the triple camera (which just received the highest camera rating of any cell phone from DXO - tied with Huawei Mate 20), ultrasonic FP reader, headphone jack, SD card slot, waterproofing, wireless charging, and pre-orders are coming with free Samsung AirPods. I also really like the automatic 42% blue light reduction. That should help alleviate some eye strain. I like that the Sammy AirPods can charge wirelessly by simply setting the case on the back of the phone.
Having said all that, I am disappointed the S10 has only increased the charge rate by 29%. I was hoping for something closer to 100%. That is one area where I feel other phones like OnePlus and Huawei have an advantage in charging speed.
In any case, I will pre-order the S10+, but in the future I will certainly be watching carefully the OnePlus 7, MI 9, and other high end but less expensive phones.

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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
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???... I hope u know that those screens are from Samsung... but nice try