Note 4 to LG G4 Pro/Note - Galaxy Note 4 General

Note 4 to LG G4 Pro/Note - Galaxy Note 4 General

Something, maybe the pro/note will be released/announced on Thursday. I didn't sidegrade to the note 5 for reasons discussed elsewhere (ie unavailable in UK, no sd slot or removable battery and appallingly slow upgrades by Sammy).
So looking out for the next big thing ( ) which won't be Samsung until they start listening to their customers rather than trying to copy apple....
Now the big question is whether or not to wait until 2016 releases to get something which is a fairly big upgrade from the n4 or try the LG.
I doubt this will come with the 820 chip so the difference between this and my note 4 will likely be a fingerprint scanner and 5.8" screen. The rest will be fairly comparable unless they launch with a really high end finish which has been touted (and denied!).
Just wondering where other note 4 users are at, especially those who upgrade when the next best thing is launched and have had their note 4 for 12 months and are wanting to try something new....:good:

Same thoughts here

I'm keen to see what comes out the Google event today. I've been toying with the idea of leaving the note 4 behind and moving to the nexus range. My opinion is, if you want quick, fast reliable android updates nothing is going to beat the Nexus range.
To be honest, fault apple all you want, but they certainly got the whole software upgrade down to a T.

Nobody has had their Note 4 12months unless they had a test unit.
I have had my Note 4 since launch week, and I have decided to wait until next year. Nothing released in 2015 is worth moving to from a Note 4. The Snapdragon 810 phones overheat and have crap battery life, 808 phones have weak GPUs, MediaTek...the less the bettes. The 2015 Samsung phones are just iPhone Clones.
Nothing worth getting in 2015.
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If LG actually stops faffing about with crappy capacitive styluses on downgraded variants and puts a real active digitizer pen in there, be it Wacom, N-trig or anyone else (preferably Wacom for tablet PC/Galaxy Note compatibility reasons), maybe we'd have a Galaxy Note competitor when we need it most.
Literally every other phone line, Nexus included, is irrelevant to me without that.
But until that happens or Samsung snaps to their senses with the Note 6, the only alternative to the Note 4 is another Note 4.
With all that said, a lot of people are on two-year contracts for their phones anyway, though that's quickly getting abandoned here by every carrier that isn't AT&T. Upgrading after just one year seems a bit hasty, and when you're coming from a Note 4, you're probably going to be downgrading in some respect.

Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!

bonerp said:
Hasty? Only because THE key player who year on year improved the note took a backward step! In the UK even the phone shops don't understand why the N5 wasn't launched here! Although its not an upgrade...I normally upgrade at least to the newest note each year and even tried the OPO mid term and got a little bored of the Note 3! However I soon went back to my old pal again!!!
I wouldn't mind so much if Samsung kept devices up to date and paid attention to vulnerabilities like Stage fright. I think it is disgusting the way they flog a top quality and top dollar device then employ a small team/probably just a one man band to maintain their huge range. THIS is why I'm happy to ditch them! They need to learn quickly or continue to suffer further under target performances. Amazes me how quickly a new device can be launched but their software team are exactly the opposite!
As for Nexus, its not really comparable to the Note series (excluding the Note 5 which is just a big S6 with a pen).
Maybe the 820 chipped devices will be the growler to wait for in the new year! Samsung will probably be planning stagefright fix and 'M' mid 16!
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stagefright fixed already for note 4

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stagefright fixed already for note 4
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if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.

bonerp said:
if you have 5.1.1 which I still don't - and how long did it take to issue a fix?? TOO long. And that's my point.
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if im not wrong besides carrier phones in us note 4 also got it pretty fast. note 4 is actually getting all updates pretty fast but i dont know why there is a big drama among note 4 users. only regional updates are very stupid.

clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.

bonerp said:
clearly not in the international (uk) phone! It appears many other areas have received it but not this. And that's why its a drama.
Without fast updates this will probably only get worse, the next time an exploit has been found and a bug tries to hack it before a fix can be deployed.
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like i said regional updates are stupid. waiting more than 1 or 2 month for an update which is released for other countries is worst about samsung.

http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-officially-unveils-v10-second-screen-and-dual-front-facing-cameras
tempting? I think it looks good. Liking some of the new features but the back could do with an upgrade! No UK launch imminent though grrr

after a disappointing experience with the G3 (which is still a decent phone, but the bootloader needing a hack to flash roms and build quality put me off) I ditched it for the note4. I'd be a bit wary of LG phones. Most 'flagship' phones seem to be using the snapdragon 808 or 810 for the moment unless i'm mistaken. not sure they're really worth the upgrade. I would wait until 2016.
if samsung makes a decent note6 again with a SoC which isn't a pain in the ass to port to i think that could be very interesting.

I'm rather interested in the MS Talkman 950XL. Windows phone ecosystem seems a happy medium between Android and Apple.

Nexus 6P was my option but then again no microsd/removable battery.
Right now my Note 4 is really smooth with 5.1.1. And samsung announced theyre gonna release Marsmellows for Note 4, so Im just gonna wait another year.
Lg 4 pro isnt that big of a upgrade compared to Note 4.
Also my next phone must have infrared like N4. I cant live without it.

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Samsung is underestimating their competition likely to Galaxy Note 4

I'm apologizing for all outburst!
Samsung has a bottom line today is not in competition (Iphone plus? Nexus 6), of course it's the line Note has a niche market. Niche of the most demanding customers.
I love the line note note is different is not a smart phone is not a phablet, tablet. Note is observed.
PDA PALMTOP remember he had in 2004, for years had no competition. He later turned to dust.
Samsung have to stop this behavior much like a hyperactive child with acute attention deficit lost to a very wild market.
Samsung is underestimating their competition likely to be very careless with your most demanding customers.
As for update delays and low quality of the current Lollipop. Surely this must be the number of models and variants exist. But it does not justify S6 has a much better operating system "S6 5.1.1 ota rollout", and note 4 stay with median lollipop.
I do not like to compare, but even if IOS8 had many flaws the iPhone 4S and iPad 2 receive the same attention updates together. I think the mistake strategy, think Samsung is still low self-esteem, the exaggerated respect for Apple, which is also intended for the low sales of IPHONEPLUS ??? You may have influenced the strategy is to let the note 4 to the side and focus too much on the S6. I'm just guessing.

You have to consider the fact that Samsung has a lot of devices to update. You can't compare IOS who is a closed ecosystem with 5-6 device to upgrade and maintain with Android and Samsung who has a lot of phones and tablets.
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Well first, none of us users asked for a hundred versions of the same device. Let alone hundreds of devices to flood the market.
Second, as OP stated, most of Note users are demanding power users. If you want to stand out in a market full of big screen phones/phablets now, you have to be up to it and dedicate the resources (time, staff, ...) for this.
Third, Note 4 isn't like iPhone 4S or iPad 2. It's this year's flagship for God's sake!
Fourth, Samsung is all about S6 and making up for S5 sales, which isn't wrong. But in the process a company that big mustn't overlook their existing flagship and their true signature device. Afterall, people still buy through word of mouth.

George.B said:
You have to consider the fact that Samsung has a lot of devices to update. You can't compare IOS who is a closed ecosystem with 5-6 device to upgrade and maintain with Android and Samsung who has a lot of phones and tablets.
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ahmedrehan said:
Well first, none of us users asked for a hundred versions of the same device. Let alone hundreds of devices to flood the market.
Second, as OP stated, most of Note users are demanding power users. If you want to stand out in a market full of big screen phones/phablets now, you have to be up to it and dedicate the resources (time, staff, ...) for this.
Third, Note 4 isn't like iPhone 4S or iPad 2. It's this year's flagship for God's sake!
Fourth, Samsung is all about S6 and making up for S5 sales, which isn't wrong. But in the process a company that big mustn't overlook their existing flagship and their true signature device. Afterall, people still buy through word of mouth.
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: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:
First I should learn English before posting basic things,
Second, I made a mistake in making comparisons (IOS) thing I disapprove.
Third, I would not say "Note 4 is as iPhone 4S or iPad 2 or iPhone plus or nokia, playstation 4"
I consider the Note 4, unique not cocorrente no comparisons!
Room I made a big investment, it is believed that Samsung provide a change of heart! If I'm wrong on this site complain too much.
Certainly Quinta got it wrong!
To conclude, I am complaining about the note 4 is still my choice! I'm frustrated with my battery, then slow to open applications, and more!
My expectations are to caller line company Samsung!
I'm not a noob, not enteder logical differences, which means a unique system dedicated to small appliances line. An open system, bla bla bla bla bla Blal!
I will study English, and in the future maybe I'll be right back!

Maiaman said:
: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:: cyclops:
First I should learn English before posting basic things,
Second, I made a mistake in making comparisons (IOS) thing I disapprove.
Third, I would not say "Note 4 is as iPhone 4S or iPad 2 or iPhone plus or nokia, playstation 4"
I consider the Note 4, unique not cocorrente no comparisons!
Room I made a big investment, it is believed that Samsung provide a change of heart! If I'm wrong on this site complain too much.
Certainly Quinta got it wrong!
To conclude, I am complaining about the note 4 is still my choice! I'm frustrated with my battery, then slow to open applications, and more!
My expectations are to caller line company Samsung!
I'm not a noob, not enteder logical differences, which means a unique system dedicated to small appliances line. An open system, bla bla bla bla bla Blal!
I will study English, and in the future maybe I'll be right back!
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I believe that you made your points correctly and we understand them. I have been wondering the same thing, why is an S4 so much different from an S5 in terms of the software? Why is a Note 3 so much different from a Note 4? If Samsung wants to stay ahead of the curve, I thing a great place to start would be to keep their software matching to a greater degree, from TW to S-Notes to... you name it. I think that Sammy is losing focus in trying to capture the new user while not understanding that they are losing users out the back door because of their software.

I agree. But you know what teaches a company a lesson? By going to another company... They not only get one less sale, their rivals get one more sale. I think my Note 4 is very fast EXCEPT in the multitasking button (or recent apps button, whatever you want to call it). It's very slow, and it is rather frustrating. If Samsung cannot fix this within the next months before the Note 5 comes out, my next device will certainly not be a Samsung device. I paid well over 600 euros for a device, and I expect it to work well. Now, if they can't, that means that their current users aren't a priority and they're only focusing on their future users; ironically losing their current ones.
It's a buyers market. As you mention, the Note line has some very big pros on its side, such as the SPen. Apart from that, there are other devices that could give Samsung a run for their money. I recently tried using Windows Phone as my daily driver and it was a VERY nice OS (but no Android). I'll never go back to iOS because of how closed it was... But in Android itself there are TONS Of phones - that's the beauty of it. You have so many choices!
But you should never blindly give a company your money if they're not working to maintain you... I mean, after all, you PAID them for their product. This would be another story if they gave you their phones freely! But heck, for 600+ euros... I'd expect them to want to take care of their customers.
Bottom line: I'm very happy with my Note 4. Battery life could and should be improved. Speed could be improved from what I read on the forums. I'll give them until the Note 5 release, and then I'll reevaluate... Until then, there is nothing I can do, less selling the phone is an option and picking up another device. But I'll be sticking with my Note 4

Great topic bro
Seriously Samsung is not giving a teention to note 4 at all i mean even after the outdated update still most of the countries have KitKat and still waiting LP
This policy of samsumg is drawing users away from this product. I mean coommon i have an octa core processor and the touchwiz is making this phone like its runing on single core always delays and stutters . lag lag lag and lag everywhere. Even a nexus from 4 years can feel snapier than note 4. Of course we get 50000 + on antutu but that number doesnt translate to reality day to day. All is that i can say the software on note 4 is very poorly optimized if non . i have 3 gb of ram and nothing is open in recent apps and im already consumin 2.2 gb of ram. If samsumg cannot do it at least send us the open source codes so that the talented people over xda can make it happen
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Problem is,at the moment I see no real competition to the Note 4. The M9 is a massive disappointment, the Z4 looks to be stuck In last year, the G4 has got a locked bootloader again. Despite its flaws,the Note 4 is still one of the best phones out there. I changed my phone 4 times last year and this year so far I haven't seen anything that offers better than the N4.

The heavy PWM samsung chooses for the display made this my last samsung. Probably my next one will be an LG, they dont use the heavy PWM like samsung does but then again they dont have the quality samsung has with it's screens.
Technology luxury problems.....

SquirtingCherry said:
The heavy PWM samsung chooses for the display made this my last samsung. Probably my next one will be an LG, they dont use the heavy PWM like samsung does but then again they dont have the quality samsung has with it's screens.
Technology luxury problems.....
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I agree with you about the PWM, it really annoys me but the fact you won't be able to flash a new ROM or kernel on the G4 annoys me even more.

Everyone here loves their Note 4. That's why we demand the attention it deserves. It's the best android device ever created (minus some software optimizations, support, multitasking lag).
But to wait a whole year until the Note 5 comes out to get a -by then a year old- OS update?! That makes no point to me at all. Like other people pointed out, most countries still await 5.0.1 update. Having paid €600+ for this phone, i paid for the best phone on the market. That includes support and OS updates and performance and stellar camera performance -as promised/advertised- and here we are after 6 months since release, with no updates or a very poorly optimized update.

If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.

Samsung is paying for their mistakes in the past and it may take longer than imagine, the line Note is one of his greatest hits, so I fell in love with the note 4. I see no other option, I can only regret that we are paying for cost of his mistakes. So I resign myself and enjoy this great device!
Cheers to all

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If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.
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If the Nexus 6 had an Sd card and good quality camera I'd move over straight away, I love all the custom Roms and kernels my N5 had and N6 has. Unfortunately for what I use the phone for, the N6 just isn't good enough and from what I've seen from the other flagships launched this year so far, they aren't either.

xdm9mm said:
If only nexus devices had sd card and removable battery, i think they will kill almost all android sales. I am surprized my daughter's aging nexus 7 is still running Lollipop 5.1 today while my samsung phones even the newer ones are running kitkat.
I had nexus 4 before and never had any issue with the screen. Same with the nexus 5.
I think think samsung wants us to upgrade our hardware to get the latest software. They are now talking about the note 5.
I will keep my note 4 for maybe 18 months ang see what is in the market. I'm also getting tired with samsung and it's BloatwiZ os.
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Agreed, if the Nexus 6 had MicroSD and removable Battery I'd have most probably chosen that over the Note4, although the VR issue remains, since at the moment only Samsung has a proper implementation of Mobile VR with GearVR.

Anyone who buys Note4 for anything else then stylus is fool. There are many same or better devices for much better price - if you do not want or know to utilize active digitizer.

I don't think we are all fools for buying Note4. I don't use very much the stylus. But Note 4 still remains one of the best phones of the market. Believe me I've had a lot of phones, i meen a lot. I've had Sony, LG, Xiaomi, HTC, BlackBerry, Apple, Huawei and a lot more I can't remember right now. But every time I'm returning to Samsung. We should admit that Samsung has a lot of good parts. Ok it is not the best company when it comes to updates, but not the worst. Belive me Sony has the updates for lollipop rolling right now, Huawei still waiting, Xiaomi still waiting. Maybe HTC and LG moved a little faster.
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Lollipop update on Z3 is garbage

OK I got Note 4 with Exynos chip (64-bit disabled !!!) and I'm running Lollipop 5.0.1 with a lot of issues, lag & bugs and RAM management issues also.
no API 2 camera or RAW support, they just sent Lollipop update missing many advantages of the original Lollipop OS, Samsung just fooling us by a Software (Touchwize) reducing our Hardware (Note 4) real capabilities.
like
1- camera missing RAW support and other options.
2- no 64-bit abilities for Exynos model.
Samsung should fix the Note 4 issues as fast as possible & we don't have to wait for Note 5.
we need full Lollipop update with a fix to the 5.0.1 update bugs.
I always was an Android user but I'm thinking seriously to leave Android to Windows Phone 10 or even iOS, because with those OS's you will find much more respect, updates & development .
Now Samsung just focusing on Galaxy S6 with an update like every few days to solve S6 issues & they are ignoring the rest of devices, specially a flagship like Note 4
our voice should reach Samsung ..................... guys if you are going to buy Samsung device please think again.

Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 edge+ coming August 12, on sale from August 21

Going by Samsung’s usual launch schedule, the Galaxy Note 5 would be less than two months away from getting an official announcement at this point of time. Going by recent rumors, however, the time before the Note 5 is unveiled would be even shorter. Well, it looks like the latter is what we will have to believe in, as our insiders have revealed today the the Galaxy Note 5 will be announced on August 12, and go on sale around two weeks later on August 21.
We have also learned that the Galaxy S6 edge Plus will be launched as the Galaxy S6 edge+, and will be announced alongside the Note 5 on the same date. Samsung’s plan to launch two big handsets at the same time (and risking one device eating into the sales of the other) was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago, and we can confirm that it is indeed what the company intends to do. The two devices will also be accompanied by the official launch of Samsung Pay, at least for the US market.
Now, let’s move on to a few details of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 edge+. First, Samsung’s next phablet flagship. Let’s get one of the most important aspects of the phone out of the way: The Note 5 will not have a microSD slot, something we had guessed would be the case earlier this month. In terms of design, the phone will basically be a blown-up version of the Galaxy S6. But like the Galaxy A8, the Note 5 will have extremely thin screen bezel, a design change that might come in handy in terms of ergonomics keeping in consideration the new metal and glass design that the Note 5 is expected to feature.
The S Pen will also be seeing a few design changes. According to the information we’ve received, the stylus will look more like a pen this time around (and apparently feel like one, too) and will have the same color as the color of the device. Speaking of colors, the Galaxy Note 5 will be offered in silver, gold, black and white options; these are the same options we’ve seen on the Note 4, though the glass construction on the Note 5 is sure to make these same-old colors look considerably better.
When it comes to the Galaxy S6 edge+, there’s really not much to tell. The device will be a phablet version of the Galaxy S6 edge, with a curve on either side of the screen and the same color options as the Note 5. We can, however, confirm that the S6 edge+ will be powered by the Exynos 7420 instead of a Snapdragon 808, and have 3GB of RAM. Oh, and as we said yesterday, the Note 5 will certainly become the first Samsung phone to feature 4GB of RAM. We’re guessing storage options would be the same as the Galaxy S6 lineup, though it would be great if Samsung would make the 64GB variant the base model to make up for the lack of expandable storage.
Provided all the information we have been given turns out to be correct, Samsung’s next UNPACKED event could be one of its biggest yet, if only because of the number of things it will announce on a single day. The August launch seems too early to be true, but with numerous rumors pointing at Samsung moving faster with the Galaxy Note 5, it certainly looks like we will be hearing everything from the horse’s mouth in under a month from now.
Phones Galaxy Note 5
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/14...edge-coming-august-12-on-sale-from-august-21/

toofimoofi said:
Going by Samsung’s usual launch schedule.....
Going by recent rumors, however.....
Well, it looks like the latter is what we will have to believe in....
as our insiders have revealed today.....
was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago..
According to the information we’ve received....
When it comes to the Galaxy S6 edge+, there’s really not much to tell....
We’re guessing....... storage options would be the same as the Galaxy S6 lineup, though it would be great if Samsung would make the 64GB variant the base model to make up for the lack of expandable storage.
Provided all the information we have been given turns out to be correct.....
but with numerous rumors pointing at Samsung moving faster with the Galaxy Note 5, it certainly looks like we will be hearing everything from the horse’s mouth in under a month from now...
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/14...edge-coming-august-12-on-sale-from-august-21/
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was leaked by a report out of the Korean press a few hours ago..
Samsung has not commented on these reports so it’s official position on the matter is not known. From that own article.
Enough with the sammobile could be, might be...

After the mess that was the Note 4 release I don't believe anything until I have a device in my hand.

Me and my N4 will be here if you need us lol.

To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.

***In case this is true***
Now we know the reason our Note 4 is the worst flagship in the updates department. They were planning for a faster Note 5 release to beat Apple. and not respect the 1 year release they had til now. Not cool Samsung.

Well if it's true about it being a blown up version of S6 then not going to get it... No sdcard and non removable battery, I think it's a terrible choice
GALAXY NOTE II... WHAT ELSE?

mythoc said:
***In case this is true***
Now we know the reason our Note 4 is the worst flagship in the updates department. They were planning for a faster Note 5 release to beat Apple. and not respect the 1 year release they had til now. Not cool Samsung.
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Samsung's problem is that they have 100000000 different devices to support and different variants of those devices for different regions. No wonder they don't have the time to update all of their phones at once.

Normally I buy a new phone every year but this might be the first time I'll stay on the Note 4 for a year longer. At the moment I don't feel like re-doing all the work we did on CM12.1 Note 4 Snapdragon, for the Note 5 again. Slayher has serious health issue's, so he won't be able to work on it neither. And RaymanFX has just reached the early alpha/beta stages of getting CM running on the 910C Exynos variant, so I'd also doubt he'll jump onto the Note 5.
So the Note 5 might not get a lot dev support and will most likely not feature AOSP for a long time and therefore not something I'd personally be interested in, let alone buy.

Another spam thread. Don't listen to hear say because that only leads to disappointment! Wait for the official announcement from Samsung.

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Another spam thread. Don't listen to hear say because that only leads to disappointment! Wait for the official announcement from Samsung.
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So sammobile, engadget and wall street journal are all spam news? Just face it, samsung has gived us the finger with this iphone-like pathway theyre taking.

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To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.
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Agree wholeheartedly (if the rumours of features (or lack of) are anything to go by). Its a fat S6. That's it.
I see this as the end of the road for me and Samsung. In so many more ways - I won't buy their next tablet and find no need to buy their TV's which I do now because they integrate well with my phone and tablet. Game over.
All the benefits of the note series have been removed (SD slot, removable battery). I wonder also how easy the back is to shatter. Anyone chucked an s6 on the pavement yet!?
I don't care about larger faster phone memory. I don't care about wireless charging - we don't all carry charger around or have access to power sockets while out and about.
POOR decision Samsung - just because you are an Apple wannabe. In the past you did things differently - and that's what we liked about the note! You have missed a trick and no doubt your ability to remain a key player in the phone market / recover damaging lack of profit as you become more like apple in design everyday.
I've actually seen very few positive posts about the note 5. As opposed to when the N4 was in rumourville - excitement reigned. What a fail.

Note 5 = Samsung Galaxy S6 note
Bleh!

ChodaBoyUSA said:
Note 5 = Samsung Galaxy S6 note
Bleh!
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The Note line has always been a bigger and S-Pen'd version of the S series though. The Note 2 was a big S3 and the Note 3 a big S4 etc. So this hasn't stopped massive sales of the Note series. I do agree that it would be nice to have something different however, but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.

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but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.
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and watch their profits slump even further...

Well i want to know how they want to beat the leaked antutu score of the upcoming LG nexus 5 2015 (85000+) i own the snapdragon note 4 and hope the note 5 will be more powerfull in 3d performance.

Toss3 said:
To be honest why would anyone with an Exynos Note 4 update; the SoC is only slightly improved as is the nand and ram, but the screen is pretty much the same and no microsd support nor swappable batteries? Being released in August also means no Android M at launch, which means you'll be waiting until Jan/Feb for the update. Guessing it'll have the same cameras as the S6 which is pretty much on par with the Note 4's.
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Note 5 will have RAW camera support - it is huge difference between Note 4 and 5.
Battery 4100 vs 3200 is enormous improvement - it is not "non removable". Every battery can be replaced but it will take more to do. You will not do this in train.
Lack of SD card is not an issue IMHO.

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Agree wholeheartedly (if the rumours of features (or lack of) are anything to go by). Its a fat S6. That's it.
I see this as the end of the road for me and Samsung. In so many more ways - I won't buy their next tablet and find no need to buy their TV's which I do now because they integrate well with my phone and tablet. Game over.
All the benefits of the note series have been removed (SD slot, removable battery). I wonder also how easy the back is to shatter. Anyone chucked an s6 on the pavement yet!?
I don't care about larger faster phone memory. I don't care about wireless charging - we don't all carry charger around or have access to power sockets while out and about.
POOR decision Samsung - just because you are an Apple wannabe. In the past you did things differently - and that's what we liked about the note! You have missed a trick and no doubt your ability to remain a key player in the phone market / recover damaging lack of profit as you become more like apple in design everyday.
I've actually seen very few positive posts about the note 5. As opposed to when the N4 was in rumourville - excitement reigned. What a fail.
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Here's a new flash for you. Was the previous Note's not a model after the S line at the time? This is nothing new.
What iPhone and iPad will you be switching to? With your change, you can now get the new 99.5" Apple Liquid Cooled LED and it comes with 3D contacts for free.
The benefits of having a removable SD slot and battery are very subjective:
The ability to add more storage and to swap out the battery is great, however, you can also accomplish this with a battery bank and Cloud storage. Obviously the swap is more convenient, but at the end of the day you obtain the same results. The fact here is that most users don't swap out batteries left and right and the same goes for SD Cards. Solution = Back up your phone, keep it organized, use a Cloud, keep only what you really need and eliminate dead weight files just sitting on your phone, and use a battery bank. There are a lot to choose from.
Any phone that is dropped will take a beating. There's no way around it unless you obviously have a nice case on it that can take an impact to protect the phone. Basing a buying decision on whether a phone will hold up from a drop is a little far fetched. Any phone will incur some damage. Solution = Insurance, which with TM JUMP it's all included. Well and of course use a good case.
If you don't care about a faster phone with more memory, than just stick with the Note 4. What's the problem?
The decision on Samsung's part is based on the majority. Welcome to the real world. That's just how it works. Samsung will always be a key player in the phone market, whether you like it or not. They are a huge multi-billion dollar conglomerate with many different divisions other than mobile phones.
Apple wannabe? Hmmm...Samsung creates the phablet culture and years later Apple comes out with the iPhone 6 Plus and....this makes Samsung a wannabe? I don't think so.... mind you Samsung and LG (both S.Korean giants) provide numerous parts for Apple products. iPhone's IPS Screen is LG, internal motherboard and varies chip-sets are by Samsung, battery cell is Samsung and more.... Some variants were slightly different where some variants had IPS's by Sharp, which Samsung owns a part of Sharp. So before you go blabbering about calling a Tech Giant a wannabe, I'd think twice about it.... but of course you're just speaking out of emotions right?
Here's some food for thought to help you understand further Samsung's decision:
Most people don't need more than 64GB of storage.
Most people don't swap out batteries twice a day.
Most people have several charging options available to them at any given time. Home, Work, Car, Battery Bank, etc...
So being that these are true for the vast majority, it is very logical for Samsung to have made the decision to change up the design language in going with a uni-body frame, that bring about many benefits.
Lets look at the positive:
The Note 5 has...
Way bigger battery (4100mAh) from the Note 4.
Bigger storage option. 128GB
Faster and better CPU.
More RAM.
Better screen. (tba)
Flat front glass, which is a dream come true for glass-screen protector users. (No more 2.5D madness. Finally an edge to edge coverage.)
Uni Body frame...stronger, sturdier, lighter, and just overall a better platform to be able to pack the punch.
Not everyone has the same needs.
Finally the ultimate solution. For all the whiners. SOLUTION = STAY WITH YOUR NOTE 4!
SIMPLE...Everyone's happy.
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The Note line has always been a bigger and S-Pen'd version of the S series though. The Note 2 was a big S3 and the Note 3 a big S4 etc. So this hasn't stopped massive sales of the Note series. I do agree that it would be nice to have something different however, but Samsung (and other OEMs) make business decisions that sometimes don't seem right to consumers.
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Well said. It's funny how so many people find it such a surprise that the Note 5 models after the S6, like it's some big surprise.
Kids....SMH

iunlock said:
SD card slot is not a benefit in today's world with Unlimited Cloud storage. If you really need more than 128GB of storage then use a cloud. Simple.
Removable battery? Who cares! Like 4100mAh isn't enough. That's what chargers are for...ever heard of battery banks?
It cracks me up to see people like you crying over petty stuff and completely over looking the benefits of the new releases...
Note 5:
Better built aluminum uni-body phone.
Better Screen.
Bigger internal SD storage. Upto 128GB
Bigger battery. 4100mAh
Faster CPU.
More RAM.
Best of all, a smooth front screen for all the Glass screen protector fans out there. Finally...edge to edge coverage.
Not everyone has the same needs, but you act like the pattern of the note series all of a sudden has changed? Of course the Note 5 will model after the S6. As it was for the Note 4....so what's the fuss?
Good luck with your make over lol... cracks me up...
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What an obnoxious post. Who's crying?? Simply feeding back my dis-satisfaction with the change of direction made. This is an open forum and I don't see any rules suggesting myself and many others can't do this.:silly:
If you want a phone that looks like an S6 or ip6, why buy the Note???! - which has always been targeted at high users that do want the flexibility it provides.
It now becomes an S6 plus or an overpriced Oneplus with a stylus..

I'll wait and see, I guess.
MicroSD card and replaceable battery are critical to my use (I swap batteries at least once a day), and I'd really like if the western versions of the Note5 had Dual SIM support.
The Notes are work tools, not fashion accessories, and I use them as such.

Galaxy note 5 is the new Windows 8

I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!

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I've owned Samsung galaxy Notes 2,3 and 4 but for the first time I'm going to give this next edition a miss.
No SD card or removable battery is like Windows 8 without the start button and will IMHO prove to be a similar disaster for Samsung.
However, it's not just this as the specs feel more like a downgrade and a stop-gap, the equivalent of a Note 4s.
So I'm in the market for a new phone from a different manufacturer and looking around at what's coming up.
Hopefully they'll 'take note' (pardon the pun) for Note 6!
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Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.

POLO_i780 said:
Lets wait until Unpacked before the "Samsung is going down/doomed/Note 5 sucks etc..." parade.
People posting around here like they have already used a Note 5 when we do not know the final spec yet and what else it may bring.
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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.

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Not sure under which rock you live but it has been raining and Samsung's roof is leaking. We already know that it's going to be using a 1440p screen, 4Gb DDR4 ram, Exynos 7422 SoC, same camera as the S6, and the same NAND as well. The only "new" thing they are going to introduce has something to do with audio quality. So no sd-card nor swappable battery. Note 5 is also going to be sporting the same ****ty touchwiz version as the S6/S6 Edge, that is even more flawed than the version for the Note 4 considering it is running on better hardware yet somehow performs worse.
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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.

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No I haven't, but calling a phone that you have not used yet ****ty and so on is not exactly smart. The specs don't tell the whole story and it may have many improvements over the S6 and Edge in its TW by the time it gets released.
Unless you have played with a fully functional retail unit of the Note 5, I'd suggest reserving judgement.
Like I said, people acting like they have already used a Note 5 without knowing everything about it. A lot can be changed between now and release, especially in terms of software.
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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.

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There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.

POLO_i780 said:
Well if the rumours are correct and the Note 5 has a limited release, then yes it will not sell the way others have, that is pretty obvious.
Oh wow, speaking of Note 6 already, you and I do not know how the mobile industry will be next year, Samsung may just have to change direction with the Note 6, maybe even make a diff. variant of it as they did Note Edge. Again, a few specs do not tell the story.
We are in 2015, yet people are as closed minded as they were decades ago.
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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..

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I dont think its close mindedness, but more like a major letdown to the fans of the Note series.
Aside from the s pen, folks loved the note for its flexibility in storage, and its ease of using it for days with spare batteries and such. Sure the giant screen was part of it, but those other things turned out to be important parts of what made the note series such a "cult" hit..
Now, with alot of those things disappearing, its easy to understand why so many folks are going to abandon the Note series.
It doesnt mean they are closed minded, they are just upset that some of the major features that kept them coming back to the Note series wont be there any more.
And you cant blame people for that..
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There are now cases that can bring MicroSD support and so on, but I say lets wait and see what happens at Unpacked.
These rumours have gone up and down, 1st it had a 4100mAh battery and now its 3000mAh, some report Exynos 7422 and others 7420, but I guess the 7422 will be international and 7420 will be USA. Some report the Dual Sim variant will have a MicroSD slot yet the S6 Duos never had a MicroSD slot, and then there's the software which can be subject to major change between now and release.
What I am saying is, leave your mind open up until Unpacked. I remember last year when everyone was convinced we would get a Galaxy S5 Prime with metal build, instead we got a Note Edge.
EDIT:
Another rumour
https://www.thegioididong.com/tin-tuc/thong-so-ky-thuat-cua-galaxy-note-5-va-s6-edge-plus-681235
Claiming:
4100mAh battery
32GB internal with MicroSD support
AND IR Blaster
LOL, Unpacked must just come and put and end to this madness.

Losing the SD card and replaceable battery is bad enough IMO
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Toss3 said:
There are leaks everywhere and even if the software is improved it's not going to matter considering android m is launching later this year, as the note 5 won't get the update until much later. The S7 is going to sport Samsung custom core SoC so support for the note 5 is going to be even shorter (note 6 being a larger version of the s7). Oh I also forgot to mention that the note 5 is going to have a SMALLER battery than the Note 4 (3000mAh) and no IR blaster.
I'd wager the note 5 is going to be Samsung worst selling galaxy device ever.
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You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.

Well, I don't think going from the sd805 to the exynos 7420/7422 is a minor upgrade (considering how fast the s6 with it is)

So much hate for a device not yet released. If you don't like it don't buy it, simple as....

POLO_i780 said:
You said the Note 5 was going to have a smaller battery than the Note 4, at 3000mAh, yet as is typical of rumors, they conflict, I up you one with a very recent image of a Note 5 retail box that claims 4100mAh battery:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-this-the-box-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-5_id72423
This is my problem with prejudging before a phone is even announced, I am still unsure what to believe. You had already made your mind up that it is a 3000mAh battery, due to another rumor. There have been multiple rumors that claim either 3000mAh or 4100mAh, and I also posted a link of a spec sheet which claimed IR Blaster, but another rumor claimed no IR Blaster, and we are not even sure if the Note 5 images we have been seeing are not early prototypes.
I cannot understand how people can draw a conclusion based solely on rumors. One thing it does do is keep the stock market an interesting place though, I've made and lost money due to rumors, lol.
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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.

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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.

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You see now there I full agree with you, 100%!
And from what I am seeing, they have become worse than before, we are still waiting for 5.1.1 and now there is a huge vulnerability found yet they continue to drag their feet. It is very frustrating and it has had me wondering if I could live with an iPhone 6S Plus, but I like Android and thoroughly enjoy its versatility.
Its a tough one, it makes me wonder why manufacturers can't just make their skins downloadable or separate them from the core of the OS and allow Google to issue the Android Updates to us, then they (the manufacturers) can do their skin updates at their own pace. Would make a lot more sense.
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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.

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I'm not desperate enough to consider an apple device, especially now that Samsung has committed themselves to frequent security-updates. Would like to see every Samsung phone updated simultaneously, but as there are 1000000 different models that's just not possible.
Google handling the updates would indeed be ideal, but touchwiz uses it's own framework so it's more than just a custom skin.
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Can't have it all I guess.
I am a fan of TouchWiz (one of very few it seems), all I would like is faster and more consistent updates.
Their commitment to monthly security updates will be interesting to see.

http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-note-5-fully-exposed-632450/

Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!

bonerp said:
Even if the phone does pack a punch, the lack of note key features means it doesn't offer anything to make me spend oodles on a note 5.
Samsungs path is to follow what apple are doing rather than be innovative and provide somethings its customers want. Note customers are more picky than s6 users (we also spend a darn sight more on it), which is why the note 5 (a fat s6 with a pen) will fail to increase samsungs profits - I defy anyone to argue against this.
There are so many good phones in the near pipeline - if you don't need the pen (which although is nice to have its not imperative for me), there is the hugely competitively priced Moto x, the upcoming Nexus 7, the top spec (rumoured) LG G4 Pro, to name just a few.
In Samsungs plight be like apple, they've forgotten the key thing - what its customers want. Here is a lesson in ensuring you do market research!
Yes inbuilt memory is fine if you have a truly reliable high speed data connection everywhere, and the ability to charge the thing in every coffee shop, but for those of us who don't live next to a 4g mast/wifi hotspot and want to drag around a power pack, the lack of these 2 features alone make the note 5 an impossible buy - at least for the price Samsung will want to charge.
....and that's before we even talk about the speed to deploy critical updates!
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Not one to defend Google normally, but that's the reason i went back to my nexus 6. Yes its not half as sharp, camera is a step below, but its got no issues with security and it does not get shunted aside a few months after purchase.

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Well the 3000mAh was a bit of a stretch even for samsung, but that doesn't mean the Note 5 is going to be anything but a large S6. My issue though with samsung has nothing to do with the hardware, but with how Samsung treats their customers; I know that they don't guarantee any updates, but they should have figured out by now that people always want the latest updates along with the latest interface (that's why people keep buying iPhones). It's just a shame to see samsung making the same mistakes over and over again letting Apple walk all over them (Android as a whole suffers). Wish Samsung would seize making cheap low-end devices and just keep their previous gen models as the mid- and low-end phones, in order to be able to keep up with updating every model to the latest android and touchwiz versions.
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All the Note series have been larger versions of their S series siblings. So it's no surprise that the Note 5 will be a large S6.
I do agree though that Samsung have an appalling customer service and public relations reputation and it pains me to say they could learn a thing or two from Apple sadly.
They came up with the S6 as a ground-zero project to satisfy the critics ... read that as journalists. Tech journalists have always favoured Apple products with a few Android blogger exceptions. So we end up with the S6 looking like an iPhone clone. The "oohs and ahhs" of those journalists was great for Samsung but they were short lived as soon as another new phone showed up. What Samsung should be doing is surveying current Samsung customers and asking them what they really want from a phone. Doing proper market research and lining that up with what they can technically, financially and feasibly manufacture without it costing the consumer stupid money, will be a winner for them.
I agree that we should not completely judge the Note 5 before it's officially launched but I think we have a good enough idea to form a relatively good opinion of it. I owned every Note since its birth and I have to say this is the first time I have hesitated about upgrading to the next gen version. I guess we will have to wait and see.

What's your next device? Note 7 or something else?

I'm assuming a lot of you are like me, and have had the Note 4 close to 2 years now- close to paid for... wondering if anyone is considering getting a Note 7 or something else and why?
I was all excited about upgrading to a Note 7 but the limited research I've done based on the S7 is the bootloader will probably be locked meaning no root, no roms, etc... so now I'm not sure if I just stick it out a while long with my Note 4 or look elsewhere for another device? (nexus ###?)
Comments appreciated.

Araltd said:
I'm assuming a lot of you are like me, and have had the Note 4 close to 2 years now- close to paid for... wondering if anyone is considering getting a Note 7 or something else and why?
I was all excited about upgrading to a Note 7 but the limited research I've done based on the S7 is the bootloader will probably be locked meaning no root, no roms, etc... so now I'm not sure if I just stick it out a while long with my Note 4 or look elsewhere for another device? (nexus ###?)
Comments appreciated.
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It's a pain in the butt shopping for where to go from the Note 4. Where, oh where, is it's successor? I so hate the idea of a non-replaceable battery. Maybe, if it wouldn't be too grueling to take my next "sealed" phone apart to replace the dang thing. The next big screen Nexus? Arrrgggghhhhhh!

Well if I didn't just post a lengthy reply to a similar question in the Intl. forum! (In fact I did; this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/moving-to-flagship-t3404126 my ramblings are the first post on page 4 ) Bullet points:
* I think the Note 4 is (still, 2 years in) a great device and I plan on keeping mine after making my last few payments. It will be a super fancy universal IR remote... ...among other things Definitely no shortage of ways to repurpose an old/extra Android device.
* I really hope the upcoming Nexus has expandable storage... I could see that happening this year with Google's "adoptable storage" (and other OEM's failing to... adopt it ) It's equally possible that I just really want that to happen. Either way, if it does, the larger screen version will be my next phone.
* The Note 7 looks beastly and if it doesn't have a locked bootloader I might go for it. The thing is, I'd really like to avoid buying anything from TMO aside from service... ya know, "vote with my wallet" against their abysmally late updates. I have a "new" Tab S2 TMO variant that's now the only model of that tablet that hasn't been updated to MM yet, making it as well as my N4 dead last (including other carriers) to receive the 10 month old OS. No way I can throw down up front for a $$$ N7 though, and I did do a couple of exchanges with the TMO insurance that were super easy, so bootloader unlocked = maybe, locked = not. a. chance. (not that I'd ever pay money for a "computer" that locks me out from self-administration, but particularly since I trust TMO 0% wrt updates and may need to handle that myself.)
* Option 3 = ??? Hoping to find the following: strong/friendly development community, expandable storage, >= 5.5" quality display, standard headphone port (IMO it's ridiculous that dropping this is becoming "a thing" w/o a superior replacement), and "good" battery life. Hopefully not asking too much in 2016, sure was in 2015.
Currently leaning towards a Nexus I suppose... not really in any rush to move on from the N4. Oh and definitely agree @steven.m - sealed battery = planned obsolescence but (clearly) any phone without a completely impractical metal unibody is simply not "PREMIUM" enough for... something something... of today! Note that a removable battery isn't even on my "wish list"... I was trying to make it realistic

I'll keep this N4 until it's dead. Then I'll most likely look at Nexus, HTC or Moto devices. About the only thing I'll miss is the WiFi calling.
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Xiaomi Mi Max for me
Xiaomi Mi Max 6.5 inches of Android goodness, plus removable battery and sd card support. Samsung has iphoned their way out of my hands. If I wanted a iphone I would have bought a iphone, but such is life. Wife has s7 edge and she keeps telling me it is the worst phone she has ever owned. With that in house review why would I buy a Note 7?

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Xiaomi Mi Max 6.5 inches of Android goodness, plus removable battery and sd card support. Samsung has iphoned their way out of my hands. If I wanted a iphone I would have bought a iphone, but such is life. Wife has s7 edge and she keeps telling me it is the worst phone she has ever owned. With that in house review why would I buy a Note 7?
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I'll have to look that model up- I don't know Xiaomi, but maybe I will get to know them. :highfive:
Edit: Hmmm.... love the size of the screen, but not QHD.... and battery not removable. Close, but I dunno.

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I'll have to look that model up- I don't know Xiaomi, but maybe I will get to know them. :highfive:
Edit: Hmmm.... love the size of the screen, but not QHD.... and battery not removable. Close, but I dunno.
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Dang just did another spec search and you are right http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max-8057.php says non-removable battery. What is up with that, cheaper to produce?

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says non-removable battery. What is up with that, cheaper to produce?
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Yes, and the capacity can be battery capacity can be maximised this way since they don't have to make provisions for the battery to be removed.

I think I'm done with Samsung for now. Waiting for the Note 4 MM update this long and the fact that they basically abandoned the Galaxy Tab Pro six months after they released it have really turned me off.
I think I'll be trying one of the 'upstart' manufacturers. I've been considering the Huawei Mate line for a while now, but their software has always been a drawback (but at least they update it). Now I've been reading that they are making software and their EMUI skin a priority as they attempt to break into the US/NA market. I look forward to seeing what they've got. Also, T-Mobile specific versions of any phone seem to not get nearly as much development, which is understandable. But I think I'll get an unlocked international phone next time.
I will be keeping my Note 4 (just like I still have my Note 3) for use with the virtual reality headset that I will be getting. It still has enough processing power and a very good screen resolution for that type of activity.

I'm thinking about the zenfone 3 ultra 6.8inch monster lol

The note 7 isn't on my radar, I too am think of going with a nexus if it has a memory card slot but all of this won't be for a while as I just traded in my s7 ( which was part of bogo ) and got my note 4 back that I jumped about 6 months ago. I missed it so much I will keep it for ever, even after its paid off. I also have the s7 edge which just became rootable so I might play with it for a while but it's my work phone and I have until November before I can jump again but it won't be a Sammy phone. I don't really like the s7 edge as those edges are a real nightmare unless you have a case on it you will have accidental touches that will drive you crazy. I'll hold on to my note 4 until next year and then start looking.

I didn't realize the s7 had been rooted

Techngro said:
I think I'm done with Samsung for now. Waiting for the Note 4 MM update this long and the fact that they basically abandoned the Galaxy Tab Pro six months after they released it have really turned me off.
I think I'll be trying one of the 'upstart' manufacturers. I've been considering the Huawei Mate line for a while now, but their software has always been a drawback (but at least they update it). Now I've been reading that they are making software and their EMUI skin a priority as they attempt to break into the US/NA market. I look forward to seeing what they've got. Also, T-Mobile specific versions of any phone seem to not get nearly as much development, which is understandable. But I think I'll get an unlocked international phone next time.
I will be keeping my Note 4 (just like I still have my Note 3) for use with the virtual reality headset that I will be getting. It still has enough processing power and a very good screen resolution for that type of activity.
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I have the Honor 5x which is from Huawei also., bought it a few months to test, for $200 premium looking, metal casing, 2 sim slots and external sd... but no removable battery and we are supposed to get MM any day now..
but yes I think I want a google phone, but it has to have external sd, maybe I can deal with non removable battery, but who knows. and they better start lowering prices of phones, they would sell more and sell every year selling at about $500.. that's just me thinking out load.. :silly:
because I have my father in law had the S2 very outdated and giving him problems.., so off went my note 3 which was my sons, so he plays with it,
I started with HTC, had almost every single phone till the M7, then moved to Samsung from S2, S3, Note 2, 3, 4.. and on the Notes had 2 of each, for me and my wife.. also with the M7.. I have paid to much on phones and then they don't take care of the updates which the dev do it better than Samsung is very disappointing since manufacturing them is really under $200 coming from the take downs of the devices.. way to much profit, then they expect us, to buy new phones every year...
try to return a new phone u buy in T-Mobile, they offer u half of less after 3 or 4 months then they sell it back as certified phones for double than what they paid getting it back from you... really sucks..
remember a phone is for making phone calls......
I have a pc, laptop,
2 tablets Samsung as well, and they stop with the updates after a year. u get lucky maybe give it a year 2 or 3 months...
super surprised about this MM update on our phones giving that we are almost on our 2 year.. very surprised, guess they are trying to say we will support them longer... remember Note 4 came with KitKat, then Lollipop, and now MM... wow....
darn even apple updates the phones till the older phones can't except the updates to slowing it down or not enough space left..
opps rambling, let me stop... haha

This is a good question I guess it depends on if note 7 comes with 820 or something better I won't buy a 820 phone there are cheaper options with same processor. Im thinking Nexus. But if note 7 has 4000mah battery it may get my money. My last 2 Samsung phones have had bad gps
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mdiaz33685 said:
I have the Honor 5x which is from Huawei also., bought it a few months to test, for $200 premium looking, metal casing, 2 sim slots and external sd... but no removable battery and we are supposed to get MM any day now..
but yes I think I want a google phone, but it has to have external sd, maybe I can deal with non removable battery, but who knows. and they better start lowering prices of phones, they would sell more and sell every year selling at about $500.. that's just me thinking out load.. :silly:
because I have my father in law had the S2 very outdated and giving him problems.., so off went my note 3 which was my sons, so he plays with it,
I started with HTC, had almost every single phone till the M7, then moved to Samsung from S2, S3, Note 2, 3, 4.. and on the Notes had 2 of each, for me and my wife.. also with the M7.. I have paid to much on phones and then they don't take care of the updates which the dev do it better than Samsung is very disappointing since manufacturing them is really under $200 coming from the take downs of the devices.. way to much profit, then they expect us, to buy new phones every year...
try to return a new phone u buy in T-Mobile, they offer u half of less after 3 or 4 months then they sell it back as certified phones for double than what they paid getting it back from you... really sucks..
remember a phone is for making phone calls......
I have a pc, laptop,
2 tablets Samsung as well, and they stop with the updates after a year. u get lucky maybe give it a year 2 or 3 months...
super surprised about this MM update on our phones giving that we are almost on our 2 year.. very surprised, guess they are trying to say we will support them longer... remember Note 4 came with KitKat, then Lollipop, and now MM... wow....
darn even apple updates the phones till the older phones can't except the updates to slowing it down or not enough space left..
opps rambling, let me stop... haha
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I am getting to the point where I can no longer justify spending $650-700 on a phone. You're right, there are so many decent options now for half the price.

I'm waiting to see what the Nexus phone phones are like this year. I'm hoping they'll have a nice premium phone this year. The 6P was a nice start. HTC may kick it up another notch. Rumors are that Google wants a phone that will directly compete with the iPhone. Well see if that happens. I've had only Samsung smartphones (Galaxy S, Note 2, note 4, galaxy light). It's time for something different

Jeez the note 7 is going to be almost 1000.
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HTC makes the best Nexus phones imo.

I might get the Moto G4 Plus

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I'm waiting to see what the Nexus phone phones are like this year. I'm hoping they'll have a nice premium phone this year. The 6P was a nice start. HTC may kick it up another notch. Rumors are that Google wants a phone that will directly compete with the iPhone. Well see if that happens. I've had only Samsung smartphones (Galaxy S, Note 2, note 4, galaxy light). It's time for something different
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Agreed... but then again, do I have enough time to monkey around with ROMs again? Realistically - no. If I get an Android device again, I'm just going to have to get the latest Nexus. I'm tired of TW and trying to hack things to make them behave like I want them to...( I'm looking at you NFC icon ).

Why buy Samsung ?

I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?

For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.

garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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Same here lol
Btw, you should try this company, they are offering free cases for s10
https://armadillotek.com/

garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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First thing is that I love the Galaxy series.
Why Samsung??
All I am gonna do is just browse through Internet,social media, capture some decent looking pictures and I need phone with a display which is best in industry and has a great design and build quality.
When I think of all these the only thing that comes to my mind is the Galaxy series. I agree that OP phones are faster than the galaxy series but when it comes design and build samsung is well better.

Best quality display is keeping the samsung unique in the market. Viewing angles is great in samsung displays. Especially in camera it has variable aperture and a super slow motion. And still it has a headphone jack and micro SD slot.

AstroDigital said:
I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
Eudeferrer said:
I actually love my Pixel 3Xl and got tired of Samsung taking 6 + months to update the phones to new OS. After owning every generation of Note, I got tired of no root and locked down bootloaders. Despite the great screens, I'm staying on the pixel side.
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Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.

Kaliaila said:
Samsung devices are not, the provider branded versions are, but that is equally true of all branded devices.
The Samsung Device that would be in the $1100 price range is going to be light years more advanced in power, storage, and just tech in general than the $600 one from OnePlus. Now if you Compare the $600 Samsung device to the $600 OnePlus device then you getting closer, but the Samsung device is still going to be more advanced, the gap just will not be nearly as big.
Samsung doesn't take that long, unless it is a rather old phone. The people taking that long are the Wireless providers who take their sweet time removing all the good stuff and adding different bloatware.
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I really wish that Samsung would just start getting some of their CDMA radios from Intel, that way we could get an Exynos chipset with an unlockable bootloader that is easily useable on Verizon and Sprint.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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I beg to differ from you. While preliminary versions of Android Q are already being worked on and tested in the wild, my Note 8 still sits on Oreo. I know there is an unofficial version of Pie for it, but not the official version yet . This is over 7 months after Pie was released. I've had every note that came out except the original. I bought my Note 8 on day 1 when it came out and paid about $950 after taxes. It was by no means a cheap device at the time. At the time, people who had unlocked exynox versions were upset because their updates which were supposed to come directly from Samsung were taking even longer than the carrier ones. Read up on it. Samsung + carrier delays are horrendous. IMO, It's embarrassing that what was once considered their top device would take 7+ months to receive an official software update.
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The Note 9 came out with Oreo as well as pretty much all the other myriad Samsung phones in that same release year. The Note 8 getting Pie only 6 months (the global Samsung release is this month) after Pie is officially released is impressive given the number of phones ahead of it. If your phone is not getting it this month it is due to the branding of your phone and that wireless provider holding it up.
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Global release means nothing if only a few people get it or only a few versions of the phone get it at that time. The point I'm making is that IMO it's pathetic Samsung takes even 6 months to update the OS on a phone that was a flagship when it came out a bit over a year ago. The Note 9 is all they care about right now since it's the latest one out but soon enough once they have your money, they'll care only about the S10. IMO, Samsung has an obligation to upgrade phones quickly and timely, specially on devices they charged nearly 1k and were/had flagship status when released. Meanwhile, phones like the Essential (practically unknown and on sale for $239 on Amazon get it on the day is released by Google). I clearly get the concept of skins added on to the OS to provide extra features which adds to testing time etc... but IMO 6 month + is a pathetic timeline for a flagship phone. As per your thinking, I suggest Samsung adds a disclaimer to the box of a new phone which states "Due to the impressive number of phones made ahead of yours, updates will come on this flagship 6+ months after the official release date". I wonder how many people would buy it if they came clear and admitted it? As much as I love Samsung (proof is that I've owned almost every note), I do not excuse their shortcomings when it comes to OS updates.
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Samsung offer a lot more hardware than a OnePlus. Waterproofing, headphone jack, heart rate scanner, better cooling/heatsink. Also wireless charging, MST payment (very useful in Asian countries where NFC payments are non existent), better screen, better camera.
I have owned both OnePlus(3) and Samsung (Note 8) devices. In general, I have observed that the Note 8 receives monthly updates which are extremely stable. Whereas OnePlus has released half baked updates (like 7.0 for OP3) followed by hotfixes.
Honestly, if OnePlus for still around the 450$ price, it would be unbeatable.
Edit: Forgot pressure sensitive home button.

Apple updates its iOS software incrementally over the year until a revamp of the operating system is released before new iPhones come out in September. The same can also be said of Android where the operating system gets a new refresh once a year. Two different O/S ecosystems, two different O/S update systems. You can't make everyone happy.

LOS support "forever".

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Well no more with s10...

The galaxy S10 is actually cheaper than the 2017's iPhone X in my country :/
We can pre order it for 929$ with a free galaxy watch and a free wireless charger, while the iPhone X is for 950$+
Also the apple "lower end" iPhone XR is more expensive than the S10...
I am talking about the regular S10, not the S10 plus or the S10e.
Samsung offers more than apple and is still cheaper, it offers more than any android phone also. They have everything you can ask for in a smartphone.

garyHal said:
For me, the most important factor is the screen. Samsung is the only manufactorer I know that has the best screen, great hardware, and decent software. The bloatware could possibly be removed and I wish it could be cheaper.
I am actually using a Pixel 3 XL now. The software is clean but boring. I am mostly disappointed with the hardware. That I why I am waiting for the GS10.
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New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.

To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).

koragg97 said:
To me there is no other brand other than Samsung - 0 competition. Sammy has everything in one device and that's why I love them. You don't need to have the latest Android update right away as many features are already existent in the device even if it's on an older software version. Best screen, best camera, has headphone jack, ultrasonic fp scanner, super premium build, amazing hardware. List goes on, I'm just waiting for them to get rid of the hole(s) and will get that Note (10 or 11 hopefully).
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Note 10 is a definite no. The Note 10 will be pretty much the S10 with a slightly larger screen and S-Pen goodies. They've never strayed too far from the S line when it comes to the Note. It's bigger, more powerful, etc. but it usually doesn't stray far from the S version of its year.

AstroDigital said:
I understand many people do not care Samsung Devices are loaded with bloatware, but the price !!!!
I can not justify spending $1000 plus for a phone, especially when you can buy devices with relatively clean Android, hardware as good and in some cases better for $100s of dollars less.
How does somebody buy a Samsung device for say $1100.00 when the can but a OnePlus for $600.... ?
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1st off I always buy the unlocked version of the latest Galaxy S phone so I do not have all the nasty bloatware which comes from the carriers. The unlocked versions are very clean.
Regarding price, I'm looking at pre-ordering the S10+ for $999 (It will end up costing me $599 after trading in my old phone + using a gift card from xmas) Yes it will be the most I've ever paid for a new phone, but Samsung screens cannot be beat. I love the triple camera (which just received the highest camera rating of any cell phone from DXO - tied with Huawei Mate 20), ultrasonic FP reader, headphone jack, SD card slot, waterproofing, wireless charging, and pre-orders are coming with free Samsung AirPods. I also really like the automatic 42% blue light reduction. That should help alleviate some eye strain. I like that the Sammy AirPods can charge wirelessly by simply setting the case on the back of the phone.
Having said all that, I am disappointed the S10 has only increased the charge rate by 29%. I was hoping for something closer to 100%. That is one area where I feel other phones like OnePlus and Huawei have an advantage in charging speed.
In any case, I will pre-order the S10+, but in the future I will certainly be watching carefully the OnePlus 7, MI 9, and other high end but less expensive phones.

JayRolla said:
New iphones and ipad screens are pretty dang amazing. I didnt think so till my wife won the latest gen ipad pro at work in a contest. The screen is by far superior to any samsung tablet or phone I have seen.
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???... I hope u know that those screens are from Samsung... but nice try

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