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Some help deciding. PLEASE

Ok I have the hero, but I'm thinking about returning it to get the moment. What do you all think? I know the specs on both phones already, the only reason I would want the moment is because,
1. Hardware keyboard, I've always had one and I like them
2. The screen
3. The actual phone part of the phone isn't laggy.
4. Something new, I've always had HTC's.
now why I don't want to get rid of my hero,
1. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
2. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
3. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
So, What percent of you think that xda will give the moment a part of the forum? and do you think i should stick with the hero, or move to the moment?

Hero to Moment back to hero
I bought the Hero when it came out Oct 11, I traded it for the Samsung Moment on Nov 1 as I was excited about the keyboard, processor, ans the idea of vanilla android (which is easy to dress up if you want to with home replacements) instead of HTC's usual memory hogging overlays.
I returned the moment yesterday.... Didn't even make it a day.
In spite of the faster processor and Advanced Task Killer, it was sluggish compared to the Hero. The cell reception and Internet connection was terrible!!!!! While the Hero was a major improvement over the Touch Pro. Also the browser was slower, and when I previewed a PDF file from gmail the pdf viewer in gmail was unbearably slow. (I realize eventually it will be rooted and things will change, but the hardware is cheap, keyboard is poor.
I found this phone to be more of a disappointment than the Mogul... and that says alot...
Now we need to root the hero.... LOL
Stick with your hero...

I've heard the same complaints as frazmanw about the moment, which is why I'm keeping my Hero. I've had a phone with a keyboard all the way back to the Cingular HTC Wizard and Treo 600. In fact, I don't think I've EVER had a smartphone that didn't have a hardware keyboard. I must say though that I'm getting used to the OSK on the Hero. This I thought was a dealbraker too, but have since lightened up on that.
Not only do folks say the phone is sluggish in general, but that the screen isn't as responsive as you would expect for a capacitive screen either, taking harder screen presses to make it function properly. The reviewer also said that there wasn't a way to calibrate it either, leaving you "stuck" with its performance.
In my opinion, the reason that the Hero can feel sluggish at times is due to the amount of processes running from the Sense UI, with widgets, open applications, etc. Those four extra screens of widgets and apps can mean a lot more memory usage indeed. If you turned off Sense UI and ran vanilla android, I bet its performance would dwarf the moment. Not to mention the Moment has 256 MB of RAM to the Hero's 288MB.
The moment is supposed to have a dedicated graphics rendering chip inside of it, and this made me think that it might possibly run like a striped ape, but it seems it falls short.
The optical mouse also got some poor marks, not sure how frazmanw felt about his when he had it.
Finally, phone build. The Hero is an exceptionally built phone as far as the feel of it. It's solid. I've had the Samsung in my hand, and while it wasn't mine, it didn't feel like a well built phone, either. It didn't even feel as well built as the Mogul, and I despise that phone to my very core.
Finally #2 - The Hero has been announced to receive the Android 2.0 upgrade, at least relatively soon. To my knowledge, other than the Verizon Droid shipping with it, is the only phone that will have 2.0 soon. I think the hardware is solid enough on the Hero that some of the bugs will get worked out as the OS matures.
For those of you that had the Mogul or the Touch Pro, how much better did your phone get after it was unlocked with custom ROMs? For me, EXPONENTIALLY better. Made it feel like a completely different phone. I think we can expect similar with the Hero.
In short, keep your Hero!!!!!!
(At least until Sprint has a snapdragon phone next year)
EDIT: Here's a review from PCWorld that points out the items frazmanw and I spoke about:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/324318/review/moment.html

Thanks
Well, I think you have me convinced then. I will stick with my hero... Thanks

my dad just bought a the moment nov 1, and although the screen is a lot more crisp. it stops there. htc has incorporated a lot of their own features into the hero, that the moment lacks. the contact card, widgets, and turning the phone over to silence a call( not a decision maker, but really nifty) the moment is a good phone, but its just too basic of an android phone for me.

Wow. I got the Moment on Nov 1 after trading in a really crappy HTC Touch Pro. It is undoubtedly the best phone I have ever had. All of the issues you three mentioned I have not experienced with this phone. Web browsing was much faster than what I got from the TP, no interface issues; all the screens moved fluidly, and even battery life was acceptable, especially for a phone with one of the fastest processors. Even more surprising is I read nothing but these same complaints about the Hero on other forums.
Needless to say I have no regrets about the Moment and hopefully will never have to hold another HTC product again - the TP was enough to convince me to stay away from anything HTC. Trading in a phone 3 times because of keyboard failures is enough to piss anyone off, and all that whiz bang interface overlaid onto MS Winblows just slowed down an already slow phone.

I thought I was going to get the Hero then trade for the Moment...But I am loving the Hero and just waiting patiently for people to mod the phone...Its only been out for about a month so lets just give it some time...

I bought the Moment November 1st and was amazed at how fast it was. The screens were fluid and it NEVER lagged except in my long contacts list and some web sites.
Battery life, microphone, gps, and signal problems made me return it for a replacement. They didn't have the Moment in stock so I decided to get a Hero temporarily.
As soon as I turned it on I noticed how laggy and slow the phone was. Camera quality is great, I love the Sense UI improvements, and it feels very polished but I just can't stand the sluggishness of EVERYTHING on the phone. Especially they keyboard. I text a lot and I can't stand pressing the OSK buttons 45 letters ahead of what shows up.
As soon as I get the time, I'll go back and get myself a Moment. It's too bad I might not get the 2.0 update, but what isn't in official updates will eventually come out from someone here hopefully.

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I bought the Moment November 1st and was amazed at how fast it was. The screens were fluid and it NEVER lagged except in my long contacts list and some web sites.
Battery life, microphone, gps, and signal problems made me return it for a replacement. They didn't have the Moment in stock so I decided to get a Hero temporarily.
As soon as I turned it on I noticed how laggy and slow the phone was. Camera quality is great, I love the Sense UI improvements, and it feels very polished but I just can't stand the sluggishness of EVERYTHING on the phone. Especially they keyboard. I text a lot and I can't stand pressing the OSK buttons 45 letters ahead of what shows up.
As soon as I get the time, I'll go back and get myself a Moment. It's too bad I might not get the 2.0 update, but what isn't in official updates will eventually come out from someone here hopefully.
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Well, for one thing, the phone is laggy at startup because Sense UI has TONS of apps that are starting up. The longer you leave it be, the smoother it becomes. If you're patient, you'll be surprised at how lag-free it really is.
Also, HTC doesn't recommend that you use any type of task killer that automatically kills processes. What will happen is an endless loop of apps restarting, and it will feel like a laggy phone.
Android has good memory management, and apps will auto-close after inactivity or if memory requests it. Just want to make sure you're not seeing the phone as "laggy" because apps are starting up. Just sayin.

I for one am very excited about this phone
2.0 soon, updated sense (hopefully) and the source code just released
I cant wait to see this thing after a few modifications like Apps2sd and linux-swap

wasupwithuman brings up an interesting question. Will the Samsung Moment have a seperate forum? And if not, does anybody know of a good forum like xda-developers for all Android phones?

Ics hardware acceleration

Can any of you honestly say that it makes a difference? I played with my buddys nexus s and came away unimpressed.....thinking that the ui looks like its futuristic...if it was 1995. Didnt notice any insane smoothness or anything although i really wanted too...i honestly think that my cappy runs smoother....and also....eclair brought live wallpaper.....froyo brought flash...gb brought nfc....whats ics's calling card? I cant bring myself to flash this even tho i want to because i feel it would b a downgrade from where i am. Just want opinions.
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Yeah I'm not to impressed with ics either. My phone runs smooth as butter on cm7. I haven't seen anything that lives up to its hype with ics. To each their own I guess.

Isn't ics mostly meant for dual core phones anyways?
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ICS gives us:
- window rotating animation like iPhone.
- full screen contact pictures while calling. (but google saves pictures in smaller size, and after you sync back, pictures will get pixelated).
- cool lockscreen.
I think thats all. It is bit laggy. Flashed back into CM7.

First off this is just my opinion so take it as such. I personally like ICS a lot. The menu layout is pretty good and I like some of the features that aren't there in other versions. Nothing ground breaking really just small stuff like the data usage monitor is nice to have. I really like having the Widgets in the app drawer so i can see what they look like without dragging them out on to a home screen. It just seems nice and clean to me. And I do have to agree with you that this brought nothing as profound as flash to the OS, but what is there to add? I'm sure they will continue to add new features just as they have in the past but I am content with what they have now and love how it runs on my phone.
Sent from this fully armed and operational battle station running ICS.

[Q] Time to upgrade........

OK, its time to upgrade my trusty DHD.....
...but what gets my hard-earned (no, really) pennies?
To me there are 4 options........
1) HTC One X
2) Samsung Galaxy Note
3) Wait until the 30th and get the Samsung Galaxy SIII
4) Keep the DHD for another 12 months and benefit from a cheaper contract.
So, if it was your pennies getting spent, where would they be going?
I'm looking for views from existing SGN users here. Do you love the Note? Hate it? What do you like most about it, and what drives you potty?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Rob

I love my note. It's definitely my favorite phone out of the 8 smartphones I've owned (iPhone 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4, HTC Sensation, Samsung Vibrant, LG G2X). The downside? It is the most disappointing phone development wise. There doesn't seem to be any good ROM out there. Stock is painfully slow. There is no CM7 which is really disappointing. Any of the ICS I've seen out has had major problems which is why I haven't upgraded yet. There are horror stories about people bring their phones when upgrading to ICS and so far it doesn't seem to be a small number of people which is really sad. Samsung is JUST rolling out ICS now but I've heard stock ICS is also very slow and if you have CWM on or from what I understand have rooted your phone at all, you run a huge risk of bricking if you try put ICS on.
TL DR; If you don't mind staying stock for a WHILE, get the Note because it's awesome having a huge screen, resolution, and the SPen.
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cruno91 said:
I love my note. It's definitely my favorite phone out of the 8 smartphones I've owned (iPhone 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4, HTC Sensation, Samsung Vibrant, LG G2X). The downside? It is the most disappointing phone development wise. There doesn't seem to be any good ROM out there. Stock is painfully slow. There is no CM7 which is really disappointing. Any of the ICS I've seen out has had major problems which is why I haven't upgraded yet. There are horror stories about people bring their phones when upgrading to ICS and so far it doesn't seem to be a small number of people which is really sad. Samsung is JUST rolling out ICS now but I've heard stock ICS is also very slow and if you have CWM on or from what I understand have rooted your phone at all, you run a huge risk of bricking if you try put ICS on.
TL DR; If you don't mind staying stock for a WHILE, get the Note because it's awesome having a huge screen, resolution, and the SPen.
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Exactly my thoughts! Thanks for saving me the trouble of typing. I am lazy as hell.
I flashed tons of ROMs and back to stock. At least I won't be bricking my phone this way.
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To the OP: If I were you, I would get the One X or the S3, depending on the needs. Like I need the sd card and removable battery so it would rather be the S3 for me. Assuming you haven't used the note for long, both these phones must feel great to you. For almost all of us here, they are just too darn small. Once you use a note, you just get addicted to it.
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Thanks guys. Keep them coming.
I played with the Note and the HOX today and liked them both, but the huge Note battery is drawing me towards it.
I'm 6'1" and have hands like pan-shovels so the size of the Note isnt a -ve to me.

love mine too!
Yeah loving the bigger screen. I'd never go back to something smaller.
On a different note.. (haha) had mine a month and have rooted and switched the rom and Kernel.. wasn't very hard just had to get over the mind set of bricking it.
Buy one!

Note, large screen, s-pen apps (if you're inclined to use them), some good roms, ICS development with the new builds should be on their way soon
the rest? S3, rather than 1x. or at least wait till reviews come out comparing the 2.

wait
wait for Galaxy S3 - I allready have it and It's awsome!!!

RobTheRover said:
OK, its time to upgrade my trusty DHD.....
...but what gets my hard-earned (no, really) pennies?
To me there are 4 options........
1) HTC One X
2) Samsung Galaxy Note
3) Wait until the 30th and get the Samsung Galaxy SIII
4) Keep the DHD for another 12 months and benefit from a cheaper contract.
So, if it was your pennies getting spent, where would they be going?
I'm looking for views from existing SGN users here. Do you love the Note? Hate it? What do you like most about it, and what drives you potty?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Rob
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The Note is fabulous - better than the GNex I came from. Why? The screen principally - the Galaxy nexus screen just seemed so small compared!
I think the answer is this:
1. If you want the latest tech - go for the One X or the S3.
2. However, as it's so early in their life cycle you don't know what problems they will have (other than we already know the OneX has cr*p battery life) and we all know that no phone is perfect. Each phone I've had (and I've had a few) has had it's own unique issue.
3. If screen size is important, forget the other two and go for the Note. There is just simply no question of that (until Note II is announced in future!)
Maybe quad core will be a bit faster than dual core but I doubt it will make much of a difference in everyday use. In any event, I hate TW / Sense etc so always remove that bloatware and, hey presto, android flies on the Note (not that it was sluggish with TW).
And the lack of reliable ICS at the moment? In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered? There's such a clamour for it and, yes, it's a bit prettier and more logical in places but GB is absolutely fine for 99.98%.
Just my £0.02. Good luck with the decision.
Edit: Just seen that you're a brit - no need to look up Catherine Tate! More importantly, just realised you've got a DHD. Move on, you won't be disappointed. Sure, tech will move on over the next few monts, years etc but it always does.

apd said:
In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered?
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We Americans also know who Catherine Tate is, and not just because she's on our version of The Office now
Clicked as soon as you said "am I bovvered?".

Go for the Note,mate. You won't regret it
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apd said:
The Note is fabulous - better than the GNex I came from. Why? The screen principally - the Galaxy nexus screen just seemed so small compared!
I think the answer is this:
1. If you want the latest tech - go for the One X or the S3.
2. However, as it's so early in their life cycle you don't know what problems they will have (other than we already know the OneX has cr*p battery life) and we all know that no phone is perfect. Each phone I've had (and I've had a few) has had it's own unique issue.
3. If screen size is important, forget the other two and go for the Note. There is just simply no question of that (until Note II is announced in future!)
Maybe quad core will be a bit faster than dual core but I doubt it will make much of a difference in everyday use. In any event, I hate TW / Sense etc so always remove that bloatware and, hey presto, android flies on the Note (not that it was sluggish with TW).
And the lack of reliable ICS at the moment? In the words of Catherine Tate (look her up if you're not British!) - am I bovvered? There's such a clamour for it and, yes, it's a bit prettier and more logical in places but GB is absolutely fine for 99.98%.
Just my £0.02. Good luck with the decision.
Edit: Just seen that you're a brit - no need to look up Catherine Tate! More importantly, just realised you've got a DHD. Move on, you won't be disappointed. Sure, tech will move on over the next few monts, years etc but it always does.
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Thanks for that. I agree with your assessment, especially ICS which is definitely leaving me underwhelmed in terms of how "un-different" (new word!) it is to GB, especially after having used Honeycomb on my tablet for the past 6 months.
I've decided (with a feeling of I'm cheating on a loved one) to get a Note online, then I can return it under distance selling laws if I find it unbearable to live with. I suspect it wont be going back.
Genuinely, many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. Your insight has been much appreciated.
Rob

I love the large screen and battery of the Note.
The S3 is more future proof, but only because of the processors. RAM is the same.
One thing in the s3's favor is the LED notification light! w00t! I have been missing this on EVERY device that wasn't a blackberry!
The s3 also has a large battery, but .. the Note takes the cake.
The One X is out of the picture. Why? Removable battery. Also, they pushed the device so fast to get it out on the market as one of the first quadcore devices that ... well, to me it doesn't seem that attractive. The s3 on the other hand looks mighty fine!
The Note is awesome for its screen and battery size (as well as the S-Pen).
It's really your call... Sometimes I wish my note were a tiny bit smaller, but I don't regret it when I'm actually using it! hehe.

I upgraded from DHD to galaxy note and can say it was the upgrade. Absolutely amazing display over DHD, much better battery life, faster, smoother, much better camera, etc. When I look back now to already my wife's DHD, it seems to be a nice small phone ... Was able to replace most of work on my laptop with note thanks to Swype ...
I have both on stock ROM, didn't find need to go for ICS on my note. Everything is working flawlessly, maybe will change my mind half year later when there will be more positive reaction from community ... my few cents .
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One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.

I've had my note since november and I love it!! The huge screen is so much fun and great to surf the web!!! It doesn't feel bigger in my pocket than my previous phone (iPhone). Even though it has a huge screen the battery life is really good (especially with my actual rom Criskelo)
I haven't tried the other phones you posted but I am still trying to understand why anyone would need a quadcore in his phone today!! I installed spy cpu on my SGN and my CPU almost never rises to 1400MHz so what could anyone do with the extra power maybe 3D games since I don't play any so can't tell about the performances but I doubt it since the note still has one of the best processors out there! The games I play are: solitaire, temple run, fruit ninja,...
joyork said:
One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.
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I don't really notice the sluggishness, everything seems smooth!! The rom I am using is lighter than the stock rom so there may be a difference! If you wan't to remove Touchwiz you'd better install a new rom on your phone would be easier than to modify the stock rom! In either case you need to root your phone! At first didn't want to do it but in the end I am happy and giving some good feedback about the rom I am using! And the bricking is pretty rare!!
To install a new rom if you literally follow instructions you can't run into problems!! A bit of research and in the end it just takes 10/15min to change rom!

joyork said:
One thing that's driving me mad is the sluggishness of the stock Gingerbread ROM. Is the official ICS ROM still sluggish?
If so, would rooting the phone and deleting some of the bloat help? Also, is it possible to remove Touchwiz from the official ROM? I'm a bit scared to try any other ROMs in case I brick my phone.
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That's an easy one. Root and install one of the stock rooted GB Roms. No need to 'remove' TW. Just install another launcher (let's not start the 'which launcher is best' argument here) and then set that as default. TW will fade into the background and won't be used and your Note will be faster.
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The s3 also has a large battery, but .. the Note takes the cake.
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Only 2100mah I think? Not that big - nearly 20% smaller than the Note.

2) Samsung Galaxy Note

What Lag?

I'm tired of so many reviews and people saying that the s5 is lagging. I'm not getting any lag on my s5 or any s5 I've played with. I'm starting to feel that people are just picking on the s5 because it's become cool to hate on samsung. Every little thing about the s5 has been hated on. I'm finding it absolutely pathetic. Am I the only one that feels like this?

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I'm tired of so many reviews and people saying that the s5 is lagging. I'm not getting any lag on my s5 or any s5 I've played with. I'm starting to feel that people are just picking on the s5 because it's become cool to hate on samsung. Every little thing about the s5 has been hated on. I'm finding it absolutely pathetic. Am I the only one that feels like this?
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I feel the same. Unfortunately, it's what happens to any company that's on top -- they'll always nitpick every little detail. Personally, I haven't experienced any lag either. To some people a few milliseconds of a delay is considered lag and they can't stand it and feel the need to complain about it. What I really find annoying are those who have already switched to a different device, like the M8, but continue complaining about the S5 in these forums. They're either complaining about lag or not having root...it's one or the other...or both.

I can feel the speed compared to my S4. But, it honestly just feels like a refined S4, like a S4.5 but I'm happy either way.

The device does lag... it's annoying. When first setting it up though it's fast as hell but once it's settled in it just becomes a lag fest
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People see what they want to see. Lag is perception. For one guy he may see no lag, the next will play with the same device and find a ton of lag.
I have owned every Samsung Galaxy device since the S2, and I can tell you that the S5 has some lag. It is greatly improved over the S4, but it does have lag.

Lag threads happen with every phone release. Not all phones are created equal, so some of the reports are probably true. Touchwiz can create lag in some cases and sometimes there are just bad phones or bad firmware flashes. That being said, I think a lot of it comes from people that have rival phones and they want to make themselves feel better by bad-mouthing the competition.

I wish I could say I agree with you, but not in the case of my device and XP. whatever the word means to you, to me the phone has 'lag'.
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Just as silly are threads of people proclaiming if they don't see it then it doesn't exist . And then convincing themselves it's because others are jealous or discriminating because it's made by a certain manufacturer
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No lag yet
I personally have not experienced any lag with my S5. Lag can come from many different places like unwanted apps, ATT bloatware! I have disabled all of that stuff. Coming from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, the S5 is a speed monster. Not that the Nexus was a terrible phone, but it can have fits of lag...even rooted with a custom rom. Hopefully someone will gain root to our S5 variant soon!

Almost humorous
To all those posting here complaining about "Lag" didn't you do any research before you bought it? didn't you go to the store and test it out? If you don't like the device take it back, you have 14 days to return it. I can sit here and compare this device to every device i have Dev'd for over the years and I can tell you this there is NO DEVICE MADE that doesn't have "lag" somewhere is part of the flaws of being designed and built by the human race, a very imperfect human race i might add. instead of posts like "It does Lag and it's annoying" how about a post with some logcats or detailed step by step methods to recreate the "Lag". As a developer I can tell you this there is nothing more annoying than people pissing and moaning and picking apart something and providing absolutely ZERO proof, ZERO reproducable steps, ZERO help, ZERO willingness to participate in any kind of troubleshooting.
Just my opinion, now that i have called you out on this, got some proof? a logcat? steps to reproduce? what app? did you try that app developers support site?

I have loaded about 100 apps and have multiple email accounts messenger apps and other services running and I get no lag at all. I think some people out there just got ****ty units and they're upset
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Coming from a Nexus 5, while the phone is smooth in almost every other respect, there is absolutely lag when bringing up the app switcher and dialing a number through the phone app. Coincidence that both of these apps are heavily skinned by Samsung? Anyway, I love the phone in every other respect, but I want the phone app and app switcher from the Nexus line.

Yea no lag here. I like the phone better than my note 3. Better reception lte speeds. Good job samsung.
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The lag is there, whether you want to admit it or not. There are delays of up to a few seconds for things as mundane as launching the camera or going from the camera to the gallery. Every single Samsung device with touchwiz had had them and people desperate to justify the purchase of their new Samsung phones always try to deny it.
Comparing it side-by-side with my Note 3 that I still have (and it still on 4.3), the Note 3 is actually snappier in some places, which is sad. Touchwiz needs some serious optimization and no amount of denial or fanboyism is going to change that.
Don't get me wrong: I like the phone. But I also don't have blinders on. I have turned off every animation or setting I can find that I think might be slowing the phone and there are still some really annoying delays. Nova fixed some of the launcher delays, but there are others.

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The lag is there, whether you want to admit it or not. There are delays of up to a few seconds for things as mundane as launching the camera or going from the camera to the gallery. Every single Samsung device with touchwiz had had them and people desperate to justify the purchase of their new Samsung phones always try to deny it.
Comparing it side-by-side with my Note 3 that I still have (and it still on 4.3), the Note 3 is actually snappier in some places, which is sad. Touchwiz needs some serious optimization and no amount of denial or fanboyism is going to change that.
Don't get me wrong: I like the phone. But I also don't have blinders on. I have turned off every animation or setting I can find that I think might be slowing the phone and there are still some really annoying delays. Nova fixed some of the launcher delays, but there are others.
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This. Lag is there whether the fanboyz want to admit it or not. Many just don't know what lag is. The S5 experience is night and day though compared to the S4. Of course last year we had loki and custom roms which took care of the lag.
Now was the best time to re-do TW completely from bottom up. But they chose not to. This is why everyone on AT&T should just get the TMO version, so they can flash roms and not have to deal with this BS.

I've noticed lag in the gallery and sometimes when switching songs on the lock screen. Both my gallery and music are stored on the external SD card. Not sure if that is what is causing the issue. Coming from an S3 I love the screen, and camera difference and the phone is snappy otherwise. I usually had CM variants on my S3 so it takes some getting used to with the TW

Lag-free here, even in camera/gallery/dialer. While I think touchwiz needs to go...this iteration from Samsung is so much better than previous versions. Now if we could get the carrier bloat off these things they would be perfect.

I love my s5 yea some lag but it's very small the same kinda lad that's in the iPhone 5s but this is the best android phone I have had and I had every flag ship phone from sammy htc and every nexus phone, touchwiz is smooth and fast I just don't like the settings menu but everything else is great I haven't even had the urge to root or install a custom ROM even tho we don't have them yet but that's fine for me I'm truly happy with it so far

blackwrx02 said:
Lag-free here, even in camera/gallery/dialer. While I think touchwiz needs to go...this iteration from Samsung is so much better than previous versions. Now if we could get the carrier bloat off these things they would be perfect.
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Camera and gallery are where I've had the most lag. Like multiple seconds to open the camera or go from camera to gallery. I think my gs3 camera was actually faster. I do love it when it works, and it focuses insanely fast, but that initial run takes a bit long.
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natefish said:
Camera and gallery are where I've had the most lag. Like multiple seconds to open the camera or go from camera to gallery. I think my gs3 camera was actually faster. I do love it when it works, and it focuses insanely fast, but that initial run takes a bit long.
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If this is lag for you why don't you use regular camera.
All of You with lag complain do you know what is main priority of phone ...hmmmmm make call maybe. I don't see any lag. I think all of what you experiencing is just more in you heads then anything else. This is normal functionality of phone. Every program before opening have to be process first and this take time sometimes. Good you people not working in NASA and not communication with some robots on Mars, you will complain about lag then...

My personal opinion about Samsung's Lollipop release

I haven't seen much threads like this so I think people seem quite okay with samsungs Lollipop, but for me it seems to be even worse than Kitkat. Let me mention some things.
Wifi;
Nothing seems to work even worse than Wifi for me. I've changed some settings on the router, changed the auto change from 2.4 gHz to 5 to manual, yet I get this problem that the internet is terribly slow at some moments, and it stays there for like 30 minutes(Downloading a simple app from the play store like apex goes with 20 kb/s).
Functionality;
Everything pops in place as I was used to touchwiz, yet I miss the ambient display alot! Its the function that was very usefull on the stock Lollipop update, but yet Samsung decided to not add it to their software.
Performance;
Even while Antutu tells me my phone improved with the update, I can't see it back. some things just seem to be sluggish at some moments. Like the well known recent button problem which I don't really want to discuss as it is known. But also just opening the menu just seems to go with around 15-20 fps for me(Which just looks sluggish).
Now that might just be Eye candy, but I've installed "Sky Force" from the play store, and even that lags when too much happends in the game.
Batterylife;
From 7:00 AM to 19:00 PM I loose around 60-65% battery, I use my phone as a media player, got it connected with a Moto 360 and sometimes I play a game on it, check Facebook. Just the normal stuff I guess, yet I think this is way too much for my daily use, Battery stats pulls it on the Android system, and BBS doesn't seem to give clear answers to me, as there are crucial wakelocks happening which cannot be frozen.
The looks;
Now this is just something personal, as Touchwiz always had the look of a toy in a store with a big red button on it saying "Try me", I still do not prefer its new looks. Everything looks flat and all those colours just make me have a rainbow phone or something. Simply do not like it, but again; its personal.
Now where am I comparing this with?
As I've always used the note series, I remember my Note 2 being a beast of a phone, then after that the note 3 was impressive too.
When I had the Note 3, all I heared from people was the device being slow cause of bloatware, which never were a problem to me honostly. In these days Samsungs seems to try to improve that but I can simply not see it.
Also I've installed CM12 on the device, and when I see how butter smooth everything runs, switching from task to task, opening the menu. The expirience just enchances my idea of android. Yet it causes me to be limited with functions I cannot use.
Conclusion;
I always have thought that Samsungs software was ment to work better with their devices, but now I expirience the opposite. CM12 seems to work better for me, but yet I want to make use of the pen, pop up window and some s-health features.
So how do you think about the difference, I am curious how others think about my statements, and how you expirience CM12 <---> Touchwiz.

That's just the love hate relationship that most of us have with touchwiz. Love the extra features it offers over stock but hate the bloated memory hog with inconsistent performance it can be with even the most powerful hardware running it.
My Moto X 2014 lollipop is far smoother, faster, vastly more memory efficient allowing more apps to be open without refreshing content - and this is despite having slower processor, less ram and earlier version of Lollipop (5.0 v 5.0.1)
So yeah touchwiz annoys me, but as you say it offers some great additions over stock android that make you often overlook much of its uglier moments.

My Personal Opinion On This Thread That I'm Not Intrested In Buggy Lollipop Firmware I'm Happy With KK
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It's indeed strange this "update" release. I updated my n910f through Odin to Lollipop and also think to go back to KK again but for now I'm gonna keep Lollipop a little more and hope Samsung briefly release a "definitve" Lollipop update.

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It's indeed strange this "update" release. I updated my n910f through Odin to Lollipop and also think to go back to KK again but for now I'm gonna keep Lollipop a little more and hope Samsung briefly release a "definitve" Lollipop update.
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Armazia said:
I haven't seen much threads like this so I think people seem quite okay with samsungs Lollipop, but for me it seems to be even worse than Kitkat. Let me mention some things.
Wifi;
Nothing seems to work even worse than Wifi for me. I've changed some settings on the router, changed the auto change from 2.4 gHz to 5 to manual, yet I get this problem that the internet is terribly slow at some moments, and it stays there for like 30 minutes(Downloading a simple app from the play store like apex goes with 20 kb/s).
Functionality;
Everything pops in place as I was used to touchwiz, yet I miss the ambient display alot! Its the function that was very usefull on the stock Lollipop update, but yet Samsung decided to not add it to their software.
Performance;
Even while Antutu tells me my phone improved with the update, I can't see it back. some things just seem to be sluggish at some moments. Like the well known recent button problem which I don't really want to discuss as it is known. But also just opening the menu just seems to go with around 15-20 fps for me(Which just looks sluggish).
Now that might just be Eye candy, but I've installed "Sky Force" from the play store, and even that lags when too much happends in the game.
Batterylife;
From 7:00 AM to 19:00 PM I loose around 60-65% battery, I use my phone as a media player, got it connected with a Moto 360 and sometimes I play a game on it, check Facebook. Just the normal stuff I guess, yet I think this is way too much for my daily use, Battery stats pulls it on the Android system, and BBS doesn't seem to give clear answers to me, as there are crucial wakelocks happening which cannot be frozen.
The looks;
Now this is just something personal, as Touchwiz always had the look of a toy in a store with a big red button on it saying "Try me", I still do not prefer its new looks. Everything looks flat and all those colours just make me have a rainbow phone or something. Simply do not like it, but again; its personal.
Now where am I comparing this with?
As I've always used the note series, I remember my Note 2 being a beast of a phone, then after that the note 3 was impressive too.
When I had the Note 3, all I heared from people was the device being slow cause of bloatware, which never were a problem to me honostly. In these days Samsungs seems to try to improve that but I can simply not see it.
Also I've installed CM12 on the device, and when I see how butter smooth everything runs, switching from task to task, opening the menu. The expirience just enchances my idea of android. Yet it causes me to be limited with functions I cannot use.
Conclusion;
I always have thought that Samsungs software was ment to work better with their devices, but now I expirience the opposite. CM12 seems to work better for me, but yet I want to make use of the pen, pop up window and some s-health features.
So how do you think about the difference, I am curious how others think about my statements, and how you expirience CM12 <---> Touchwiz.
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Hey dude!!
Nice work here.
Please, can you tell me where did you find the CM 12 to our Note 4 N910C?
I´d like to install, but i can´t find to download.
Thank you!

renanterzi said:
Hey dude!!
Nice work here.
Please, can you tell me where did you find the CM 12 to our Note 4 N910C?
I´d like to install, but i can´t find to download.
Thank you!
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I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)

Armazia said:
I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)
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Ok man.
Thanks any way!

Armazia said:
I think there is no release of it for the N910C, just for the N910F(international)
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It's also available for the 910T and 910W8

renanterzi said:
Ok man.
Thanks any way!
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Exynos variants very early builds are being developed by RaymanFX, but we're still far from daily-driver level.

KK is stable for me. I will wait for few more months until bugs have been sorted out.
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