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[Q] Any reason to re-lock & unroot, plus couple of noob questions

Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance

Drvylyne said:
Hi - so I recently installed AR HD 11.5, but I'm wondering now that I've done that is there any compelling reason to re-lock the bootloader? What about un-rooting... any reason to do that after I've done what I needed to whilst being rooted?
Finally, a couple of noobish questions... 1) what's the difference between unlocking the bootloader & S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I was thinking they were one and the same thing, but some of the reading I've done imply they are in fact different things. If someone could please provide a brief explanation I would appreciate it. 2) why are some people concerned about being able to flash the latest OTA update if they have a custom ROM installed? I mean, won't any custom ROM pretty quickly catch up or even surpass the latest available OTA update? For example, that's one of the reasons I chose to go with AR HD because it's already using 4.2.2 instead of 4.1.2 that came with my phone.
Thanks in advance
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1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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prunzzz said:
1. sOFF permits various additional commands like fastboot flash etc.
In short you get even more freedom
Search on google :- ''why do we need to sOFF'' there is a link on ARHD blog that explains this in detail
2. The answer to your 2nd question is very simple.
To get back to full stock- as if you havent done anything to it(no root sOFF unlock etc.) So as to gain warrenty
Hit thanks if i helped you
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I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.

Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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90% of people have no need for s off...since HTC let us install kernels via recovery ...now barely any people need s off... I think in Europe it doesn't matter if you unlocked and etc..you're still covered... Here in the states ...they can be a holes

I used S-Off to convert my AT&T One software to Developer edition software, then returned it to S-On. Now running totally stock developer version software, eliminates AT&T bloat and hoping I get updates a bit sooner than I would have with AT&T version.

With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Drvylyne said:
I did some more reading on S-Off as you suggested and it doesn't sound necessary or really worthwhile to me. As long as I can put a custom ROM on, as I've already done, then I don't see the need for S-Off as it sounds like it's just inviting trouble if you don't know what you're doing (which I admittedly don't).
Also, I don't see why anyone would ever want to go back to full stock. I read that even if you unlock and put a custom ROM on your phone that it is still covered under warranty and that it's up to the manufacturer and/or carrier to prove that the act of doing one of those things is what actually caused the phone to malfunction thus requiring warranty repair.
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So you got the answer of your 1st question
Now the answer for 2nd one is very simple, though what you said about warrenty is right,
But still many times its always better to have a full stock for warrenty or replacement (by "better" i mean you dont have to prove anything to the service center)
Hit THANKS if i helped you
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squabbi said:
With S-OFF you can flash kernels from the phone. S-ON you would have to do it maunally via fastboot.
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Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us

Basically don't S off if you don't know what it does. It bypasses security checks and allows access to all phone partitions that if applyed wrong could brick your phone. Just flashing roms doesn't require s off
Example of mistake
Fastboot flash hboot recovery.img
This would brick your phone if you had s off, s on would deny write access!!
IF YOUR recive HELP FROM SOMEONE BE GRATEFUL AND HIT THANKS!!!
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a box of kittens said:
Wrong I believe with updated HTC dev for the one...HTC unlocked that for us
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Oh sorry. I was basing that off the One X. I S-OFF'd my One because I thought that without S-OFF I couldn't flash a kernel.
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[Q] Call recording question and some more

Hi all,
I have finally moved from my N1 to HTC One.
currently i'm on the HTC one stock 4.1.2 German Vodaphone ROM.
i want to record all my calls on it (i live in a different country that it's allowed here), I tried few apps but nothing worked well for recording both sides of the call. can someone suggest an app that will work well for me and share his "best practice" settings for it please?
another question, because the 4.2.2 is being out now on OTA for unlocked devices, i wanted to know how do i check if my boot loader is unlocked or not?
in addition, i saw that i have ADB access to the device and i'm curious if it will help me get the OTA update if i will only change my CID for HTC_001 for example but without rooting or anything like it? i'm not sure that it's possible to do that this way but i don't want to root or play to much with my device for now (i know most of that stuff from the N1, had 4.2.2 on it but never played with CID on it )
would appreciate your help

Can't Root HTC One

Hi, I'm having trouble trying to flash the google play edition rom onto my HTC One (Verizon). I have tried unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.com and it gives me the error: Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed. I tried to change the cid to 11111111 but that doesn't work either. Also rumrunner doesn't work. I have done a lot of research and can't find any fix for the problem.
Other information:
Android Version 4.4.2
Hboot Version 1.56
Any help is appreciated, thank you in advance.

njcelso said:
Hi, I'm having trouble trying to flash the google play edition rom onto my HTC One (Verizon). I have tried unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.com and it gives me the error: Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed. I tried to change the cid to 11111111 but that doesn't work either. Also rumrunner doesn't work. I have done a lot of research and can't find any fix for the problem.
Other information:
Android Version 4.4.2
Hboot Version 1.56
Any help is appreciated, thank you in advance.
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if you can't unlock bootloader you can't do much else. pretty much everything else is dependant on it.
I think the error message you're getting when you try and unlock bootloader is because Verizon (through your device MID) does not allow it.

njcelso said:
Hi, I'm having trouble trying to flash the google play edition rom onto my HTC One (Verizon). I have tried unlocking the bootloader with htcdev.com and it gives me the error: Error Code: 160. Error Reason: MID Not Allowed. I tried to change the cid to 11111111 but that doesn't work either. Also rumrunner doesn't work. I have done a lot of research and can't find any fix for the problem.
Other information:
Android Version 4.4.2
Hboot Version 1.56
Any help is appreciated, thank you in advance.
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Look, on a locked bootloader, you cannot do anything what ur trying. Verizon phones cannot be unlocked using dev unlock. Only Rumrunner. Make sure that u have HTC Sync Manager installed on ur PC. Run rumrunner again. Rumrunner is the only bootloader unlock solution fr Verizon. Also, make sure USB debugging is enabled and fast boot in power settings is off

raghav kapur said:
Look, on a locked bootloader, you cannot do anything what ur trying. Verizon phones cannot be unlocked using dev unlock. Only Rumrunner. Make sure that u have HTC Sync Manager installed on ur PC. Run rumrunner again. Rumrunner is the only bootloader unlock solution fr Verizon. Also, make sure USB debugging is enabled and fast boot in power settings is off
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Rumrunner won't work for him either because he is on 4.4.2. That version can't achieve root which is required to s-off. And until s-off is achieved, you can't flash any ROMs...

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số cid của bạn thì up tất cả các vùng,còn muốn root ,tôi không nhớ nhầm thì phải unlock boot s-off

Yep....
After hours of research I feel stupid because this can't be done at the moment. Anyone who is a Verizon subscriber is SOL after updating to 4.4. Can't be done. End of story. Untill then I'll patiently wait. Glad I have an AT&T S4 running CM11 which was done without using a PC so I'm happy about that. The phone I have with Verizon is through work and sense is garbage and battery life is abysmal with all that blotware. I really want CM11 on my HTC One :-/

Does firewater work?!?!?! Use firewater!!!! It works I'm pretty sure with the newest update!!! Link here!!! http://firewater-soff.com/instructions/ Use firewater and see if it works on 4.4.2 if it does then ??????????????
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Firewater does not work either. Really hit a brick wall with this one. Its a shame because I was really looking to use CM11 with the HTC one with the nice display its got and everything

There's a way.... Me and my friend are getting closer to possibly downgrade bootloaders on moto but keep the operating system....... Sorry for that off topic, but there's always a way!!! Unless its Samsung lol, sorry for the off topic OP
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Not if you have a Verizon HTC one running 4.4 anytime soon lol

Bet somebody could crack it... Blow the qfuse.... Or is that only moto? I also find it funny how my phone can run the same as the top of the line smart phone running sense 4 now I has sense 5!!! and cyanogenmod 11.
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When that happens please let us know. So wait you're running CM11 with sense? How does that work? Also are you able to use the remote app that runs on sense stock? I have used the smart IR remote app on my S4 running CM11 which works great with smart TV's but not so great with non smart TVs at least from my experience with it. that's the only thing I'm worried about losing when and if I'll ever be able to get CM11 on my HTC one

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When that happens please let us know. So wait you're running CM11 with sense? How does that work? Also are you able to use the remote app that runs on sense stock? I have used the smart IR remote app on my S4 running CM11 which works great with smart TV's but not so great with non smart TVs at least from my experience with it. that's the only thing I'm worried about losing when and if I'll ever be able to get CM11 on my HTC one
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Okay lol, were getting all of our info for moto right now, reading boot sequences the way in which everything boots, the structure of the bootloader, where the qfuse is located and how we can possibly fry it. My question is. What actually unlocks the HTC bootloader. I know the unlock code.bin But what "actually" let's you unlock the phone? Questions to think thats where you get into the thought of how to hex or trick something such as rum runner/firewater does. Its unlocks and makes you s-off. I read somewhere that it just makes your phone think its s-off, could this be or not to be? I'm finding all these answers..... Were going to try something tomorrow, could possibly brick moto or allow us to unlock WISH ME LUCK!!! I have rooted romed a HTC one, can someone answer one question on the HTC one. When in FULL stock recovery or when someone goes into it, does it just do like my phone and set it back to when I go it (not factory reset) or does it allow options just like wipe cache factory reset and stuff like that? Please someone answer that for me
Also I know how to write the code and make exploits and everything, but how in gods name do you edit a .bin file and see what the ACTUAL ORIGINAL code was. I know its not just some computer person is going to sit down and write ¢=¥=€℅£{`¶¥°`°©=¥ ain't no way in hell nobody gonna read that, then there's the way to change that to hex which is like CB190 FD240 something like that idk, the thing is, there's over 50,000 lines of that, but that simplifies to binary. I can't get anything to change my hex to binary. Because im pretty sure you can change binary to text but i cant get anything to change hex to bainary properly. I can change binary to hex then whatever the foop that symbol crap is. But not do it backwards. It simpily wont work for me.sorry for that noob question, but i havr an idea and need to know. Sorry if my words are wrong I'm tired.
With the IR blaster I'm unsure. I didn't test it. With 4 ROMs I switch back and forth from my SD card. I can backup restore/install and be rebooted with a totally different ROM in 10 minutes like I got bored with sense 4 last night, now I'm on sense 5 woot.
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[Q] Can anyone confirm if the new update blocks any S-Off or TempRoot hacks?

So, my still rooted and S-On Sprint HTC M8 just received a notification that an update is available.
I AM going to eventually root and s-off this thing, but I am going to be going on a few trips soon so I figured it would be best to wait until after just in case something goes wrong so I won't be out of a phone while not at home.
Just wanted to know if anybody can confirm if the current firewater S-Off and/or Weaksauce temproot methods still work if you install these on an unmodified Sprint M8.

Cyber Akuma said:
So, my still rooted and S-On Sprint HTC M8 just received a notification that an update is available.
I AM going to eventually root and s-off this thing, but I am going to be going on a few trips soon so I figured it would be best to wait until after just in case something goes wrong so I won't be out of a phone while not at home.
Just wanted to know if anybody can confirm if the current firewater S-Off and/or Weaksauce temproot methods still work if you install these on an unmodified Sprint M8.
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I think you're rolling the dice there. Even if you find one that can be S-Off'd with the new firmware on it that doesn't necessarily mean that the next person will get the same result as we have seen phones that are identical in software and firmware both fail and succeed at obtaining S-Off. In short, I think the it's always great to get a sampling of results but I do not believe we would be able to make any accurate conclusions, regarding S-Off anyway, from the data.
I suppose I am interested in knowing whether even a single M8 with the new firmware is able to S-Off with firewater but that's just the curiousity inside me.^^

slimbrady said:
I think you're rolling the dice there. Even if you find one that can be S-Off'd with the new firmware on it that doesn't necessarily mean that the next person will get the same result as we have seen phones that are identical in software and firmware both fail and succeed at obtaining S-Off. In short, I think the it's always great to get a sampling of results but I do not believe we would be able to make any accurate conclusions, regarding S-Off anyway, from the data.
I suppose I am interested in knowing whether even a single M8 with the new firmware is able to S-Off with firewater but that's just the curiousity inside me.^^
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Well, I'm about to give up on achieving S-Off. Being that I don't tinker with my device the way that I messed around with my previous device, I might be throwing in the towel. I'm possibly even giving up root. This is my first device that truly didn't need to be rooted.
But then again....there's free tethering....

AarSyl said:
This is my first device that truly didn't need to be rooted.
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The whole **** with how KitKat limits your SD card access alone is enough to get me to root.

Cyber Akuma said:
The whole **** with how KitKat limits your SD card access alone is enough to get me to root.
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Riiight....forgot about that.
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Go root or go home. (Sorry, couldn't resist)
If you're already at home....well...you're cheating and you should feel bad....so bad that you might as well root anyway because things can't get much worse for you!

Just to let you all know....
Went back to a stock Rom, locked my bootloader, then received the .13 update(could only find .9 stock to use) then the .15 update and was able to unlock my bootloader again with the same .bin file I received from HTCDev, flash a custom Rom, and restore my root with no problems at all.
Tried Firewater again for the heck of it and it actually chugged one bottle....but then whelped me again! =/

slimbrady said:
Just to let you all know....
Went back to a stock Rom, locked my bootloader, then received the .13 update(could only find .9 stock to use) then the .15 update and was able to unlock my bootloader again with the same .bin file I received from HTCDev, flash a custom Rom, and restore my root with no problems at all.
Tried Firewater again for the heck of it and it actually chugged one bottle....but then whelped me again! =/
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For next time, I don't think you need to lock the bootloader to receive the OTA.

rhe12 said:
For next time, I don't think you need to lock the bootloader to receive the OTA.
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Hmm well I'd done everything else except for that and it failed so locked it and it worked. Maybe it was just a fluke but either way only took a couple seconds to both lock and unlock again. =)
Edit: Yeah pretty sure you do have to lock it if you're stuck S-On like I am. S-Off most definitely doesn't need to though.

slimbrady said:
Just to let you all know....
Went back to a stock Rom, locked my bootloader, then received the .13 update(could only find .9 stock to use) then the .15 update and was able to unlock my bootloader again with the same .bin file I received from HTCDev, flash a custom Rom, and restore my root with no problems at all.
Tried Firewater again for the heck of it and it actually chugged one bottle....but then whelped me again! =/
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Has the new radio helped your reception?
I can't s-off either. Big pain to go stock to get OTA's.

Wait, I admit I haven't kept up much on S-Off news, so you mean it's random if your M8 will be able to S-Off or not?

im also failed when want to s-off
how i want to unlock gsm my sprint harman kardon edition if cannot s-off ?
is there any method to unlock gsm without s-off ?

comstar said:
Has the new radio helped your reception?
I can't s-off either. Big pain to go stock to get OTA's.
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Well I noticed that in certain areas I actuallly start picking up the Spark network where I never exceeded 3G speeds in the past so that is somewhat exciting. Didn't really have any reception issues persay previously but I would say it has been slightly improved overall.....or at least it seems that way to me. Could just be towers too I suppose but meh =)
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Wait, I admit I haven't kept up much on S-Off news, so you mean it's random if your M8 will be able to S-Off or not?
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Pretty much....We've discounted "batches" being the case by virtue of serial number comparisons and, as far as I am aware, no one has been able to identify any kind of pattern to it.
You would think that the newer the phone the less likely you could s-off with it...and perhaps that is the case....but we've seen people as recent as this week go in and get one, take it home and firewater s-off with it while I've had mine for much longer and can't...maybe the ones people are getting were sitting around for a long time I guess...All pretty much educated (or not educated) guessing at this point.

[Q] Sprint HTC M8 (4.4.4) Root?

Alright, so a friend came to me with an M8. It appears to be fully updated and is running 4.4.4 android. I was able to unlock the bootloader, and I have TWRP installed. However, every time I flash Superuser.zip, it says it works but does nothing. So, since I see lots of roms, I guess its possible to have root, but how to I obtain it? Been working on this for an hour and a half and cannot find a logical way that works.

First off to help @BD619 this thread needs to be posted in the Q&A section which is set there to prevent this post. Secondly, s-on or s-off? Did you try installing a rom with Root preinstalled? Did you try root checker from play store to verify root was installed?

Sorry!
Just mis posted. My bad.
S-On. Cannot seem to get S-Off either. Mainly just trying to sim unlock it and what I have found says that requires s-off which requires root. Lost. Not at all like my old S3 or EVO 4G. LOL! Those rooted no issue.

scothern99 said:
Sorry!
Just mis posted. My bad.
S-On. Cannot seem to get S-Off either. Mainly just trying to sim unlock it and what I have found says that requires s-off which requires root. Lost. Not at all like my old S3 or EVO 4G. LOL! Those rooted no issue.
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Sunshine s off is the best bet to s-off. Download their app, and from what it sounds, you are pretty close to stock anyways! You will most definately need to do more research on the sim unlock, thats a subject i never mess with. Good luck!!!

Well I am doing this for a friend and I am not spending any money. If anyone knows of at least a root, that gets me further.