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Hello Droid/Milestone owners!! I'm going to change my mobile. I red something about this device and it looks interesting due to ability to overclock CPU. I've also seen sample photos from Milestone and they are rather good, not perfect. And here is my question > is there any solution to improve the quality of pictures taken by Milestone ? Does overclocking do that? Maybe changing ROM does something ? And what about battery usage avter Overclock? Until , I have been using HTC Legend and it has quality of camera I desire Any sugestions?
the camera on the milestone/droid produces crap pictures. its been slammed in pretty much every review. and no, overclocking doesn't solve it.
Agree, but everyone Android phone have "****ty" camera, i heard the only one is kindìa good is the Sony Ericcson devices.
M4zinkaiser said:
Agree, but everyone Android phone have "****ty" camera, i heard the only one is kindìa good is the Sony Ericcson devices.
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I had 8 mpix Xperia X10 and it takes poor photos. No contrast and generally poor as for 8 mpix
Are there any ways to do sth with the camera.... Colors are so poor, noise etc...
What are your thoughts when comparing our ace with various mid-range Xperia phones? Mainly the Xperia Pro, Xperia Neo, Xperia Ray and the live with walkman.
Of course Xperia are better!
Already set on my mind, get a Xperia smartphone next time...
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its not fair comparing them, because ace uses armv6 while those xperias got armv7.
when its first announce ace was better choice among low-mid end device at that time.
but now not anymore after a year and a half, its getting old.
and answering your question, yes those xperias definitely better than ace.
Ok then thanks for your replies. Imo the difference in the processors isn't an unfair variable in the comparison but rather a point to compare Plus Xperias come with a rocking UI compared to TW so yeah aiming for Xperia once I get rid of my ace
My brothers got the xperia ray and the only bad thing is the screen seems really thin.
The xperia's will be better because there newer. In 1 year's time there will phones better than them (in that price range )
ya xperias are good in specifications ... but few things i miss from my ace :
i feel its touchscreen is better than mini/pro , lww.....
its camera is rocking ... way bettter than xperia... ( except for video ofcourse)....
and they say its 720p but quality is not really 720p......
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and they say its 720p but quality is not really 720p......
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720p is a video resolution, it can has the worst quality ever, but still is 720p (720p = 720 rows, generally is a 1280x720 resolution; p stands for progressive scan)
its common misconception of all that bigger resolution=better.
what does matter and most important is camera sensor.
u can have 18mp but wilh crappy sensor it will just produce crappy quality.
my ace 5mp and live with walkman 5mp still looks stupid compared to my previous nokia n78 3.15mp with carl zeiss optics.
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carl zeiss optics.
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an0nym0us_ said:
its common misconception of all that bigger resolution=better.
what does matter and most important is camera sensor.
u can have 18mp but wilh crappy sensor it will just produce crappy quality.
my ace 5mp and live with walkman 5mp still looks stupid compared to my previous nokia n78 3.15mp with carl zeiss optics.
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for video isn't a sensor issues, mid-range phones barely have enought cpu/gpu power to decode an avc video, encode ones requires almost three times more resources (an 1hr 1080p is played realtime with an [email protected], it takes 2 days to encode it), so quality is affected by the encoder limited and marked by speed/resource.
for photo, ace has one of the best cameras, in comparison to many Nokia, and, imho, superior even to the blazoned chambers of ipad 3 and iphone 4 too (too many noise and fake details even compared to 5D mark II)
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Ok then thanks for your replies. Imo the difference in the processors isn't an unfair variable in the comparison but rather a point to compare Plus Xperias come with a rocking UI compared to TW so yeah aiming for Xperia once I get rid of my ace
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Really dude? We're on XDA, anyone here wouldnt care less about the stock interface when buying a phone, it's customizable!
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I thing samsung is better ,because xperia has bad software
I think that every kind of customization if done bad makes phones slow and sometimes crap (look at how Touchwiz affect performance on the Galaxy S4). Touchwiz is insanely slow without being nothin special. Best optimized and functional interface on Android is Sense. About Xperia rom is like a Touchwiz theme with some changes and A LOT more bloatware and junk than Samsung's one (Xperia U is slower than Galaxy Ace because of the so many useless app running in background made by Sony). That's my opinion.
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Hi Everyone,
It seems that i am in a lot of confusion over which phone to purchase.
After a lot of thinking, i have narrowed down my phone search to either the Xperia Z or Xperia Z1.
I absolutely love the looks of both these devices.
And so far following are the cons of both these devices :
Xperia Z :
Outdated S4 Pro processor, the processor is same as that of an almost previous generation nexus which is available cheaply!
Sub-par camera performance, one of my friend is using Xperia Z, the photo quality is definately lower compared to even an galaxy s3
Sub-par screen display quality, yes I have noticed the viewing angles and they annoy me
Xperia Z1 :
Heating issues, while researching the forum I found that majority of users are reporting heating issues even under normal web browsing.
Yellow tint on screen panel, discovered again while researching the forum. It seems that some one pointed out the batch numbers having this issue.
I would have almost definitely gone for the z1 if above two points had not come into attention.
My first question : Is the heating problem really that bad?. If the phone heats up even while browsing, then how can we even use snapdragon 800 for playing games?
Secondly is it possible to identify the batch number of a model before the sealed box is opened?. Can Indian users of Xperia Z1 list down the batch number of their devices and whether or not they have the yellow tint issue?
As far as usage is concerned, I would consider myself as a mediocre phone user. I play casual games which are not graphics/processor intensive ( read subway surfer,candy crush,etc).
I have tried hard core games like dead trigger/real racing 3, and I dont think I would be interested in playing such games on mobile device any time soon.
Can anyone please provide a personal opinion on whether the Z1 is worth shelling out an extra 10,000 Rupees for the sake of better camera and future proof processor. Any opinion on this part would be appreciated as i am literally bummed on it.
Please help
Hello,
Does anybody here know or at least suggest me, what should I keep (I already own the iPhone 5 but I can't use it when my parents are not at home) or should I go and buy XSP (there's a discount for this device otherwise I would need to consider about S3 Mini or Xperia M) which I could use at anytime I want? Thanks to everyone who answers!
XSP is heads and shoulders better than XM or S3. And since S3 Mini is a cut-down version of S3, both in size *and* specs, IMHO there is no reason to prefer the alternatives.
You do have to remember that moving to Android means leaving the Apple ecosystem behind. You'll have to repurchase apps, and there might be some games that are not available on Android.
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XSP is heads and shoulders better than XM or S3. And since S3 Mini is a cut-down version of S3, both in size *and* specs, IMHO there is no reason to prefer the alternatives.
You do have to remember that moving to Android means leaving the Apple ecosystem behind. You'll have to repurchase apps, and there might be some games that are not available on Android.
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I know but I mean the key features like multitasking, camera, headphone that comes with the phone and so on. I know that some games on iOS aren't on Android (like Infinity Blade 2) but that doesn't matter me much, the only game I play on the phone is Clash of Clans and sometime (rlly rarely) I play Asphalt 8 (which I have purchsed for both Android and iOS, no worry for piracy) so.. I just care for the key features like the rear and the front camera. Both of the phones have 8MP camera rear camera but the exposure is different, is that a big difference between the quality? And like the screen, as I know the iPhone 5 comes with an Retina HD display and XSP with TFT HD display but with BE2/X-Reality so I don't which is better
Pretty much everything is better on the iPhone 5. It has better multitask, camera, comes with better headphones, has better hardware performances. As an XSP user, I can't think of a feature were the XSP is better than the iPhone 5, there might be some, but the iPhone is mostly better.
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Pretty much everything is better on the iPhone 5. It has better multitask, camera, comes with better headphones, has better hardware performances. As an XSP user, I can't think of a feature were the XSP is better than the iPhone 5, there might be some, but the iPhone is mostly better.
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But as I know, Android was made for multitaking and for hardware, the XSP haves better processor and the camera is same or am I wrong?
If you want something that just works then the iPhone 5 is better.
If you want something you can play around with ROMs and have more control over the phone then the Xperia SP is better.
My preference is Xperia SP, I dont mind the iPhone as a device but its restrictions annoy me.
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But as I know, Android was made for multitaking and for hardware, the XSP haves better processor and the camera is same or am I wrong?
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Android is made for multitasking, however, due to how newer apps are build, devices require more than 1GB to run smoothly. Sadly, the SP just has 1GB of RAM, which makes it slow at times. The processor is good, but the one on the iPhone 5 is the same, if not better. And no, the camera, while 8mpx, works better on the iPhone.
david19au said:
Hello,
Does anybody here know or at least suggest me, what should I keep (I already own the iPhone 5 but I can't use it when my parents are not at home) or should I go and buy XSP (there's a discount for this device otherwise I would need to consider about S3 Mini or Xperia M) which I could use at anytime I want? Thanks to everyone who answers!
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The iPhone Camera is WAY better man.
The SP is awesome but as someone above stated,if you want something that works,the iPhone is better!
Good luck!
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Android is made for multitasking, however, due to how newer apps are build, devices require more than 1GB to run smoothly. Sadly, the SP just has 1GB of RAM, which makes it slow at times. The processor is good, but the one on the iPhone 5 is the same, if not better. And no, the camera, while 8mpx, works better on the iPhone.
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Ok but the iPhone still have only 1Gig RAM... Even some newer devices, even iPhone 5s didn't came with 2Gig RAM and for the headphones, both phone and headphone are using 3,5mm jack so... I can only think of the S5 and Z2(...?) to have 2Gig RAM so...
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The iPhone Camera is WAY better man.
The SP is awesome but as someone above stated,if you want something that works,the iPhone is better!
Good luck!
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Can You post me some comparison pictures taken w/ the iPhone and the XSP? It would be really helpful.
Ok guys, looks like I'm more undecided now, can some1 do a +/- features for both phones (like comparing them). It would be great! Thanks! :highfive:
Edit1 : It would be even better, if any1 could suggest me a phone which I can play with the /system and do a normal work/sometime playing Clash Of Clans and Asphalt 8 and for music listening at the same time. I thought that the XSP can do it but it looks like it can't
Xperia SP:
+Design
+Loud speaker
+Bigger Screen
+Unique ilumination bar
+Runs a more "open" OS, Android (and outdated one)
-Camera
-Low RAM
-Materials used feels cheap at times
-Bad screen quality
Iphone 5:
+Design
+More apps
+More updates in the future (it will at least get two more mayor iOS updates)
+Premium build quality
+Better cameraS with slow-mo video (I'm not sure if it's the 5 and 5s or just the 5s)
+Better screen quality
+Better multitasking (iOS is more optimized for multitasking nowadays in my opinion, as iPhone 5 almost never lags).
-No unique feautres
-Speaker quality is okay.
+/- iOS is not as open as Android, but it's a beatiful design nevertheless.
This is what I can think of.
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Can You post me some comparison pictures taken w/ the iPhone and the XSP? It would be really helpful.
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I can't post comparison pictures right now but there have been a lot of complaints about the XSP camera.
Some users are also experiencing some issues like blurring and extremely poor low light pictures.
If you need a good camera,dont get the XSP.
I don't think these issues are only with my device.
The phone is amazing in other aspects like hardware but if the camera is important,take a comparison from someone else has both the phones!
I'm sorry I can't put up pictures because I'm waiting at the airport
Good luck!
The camera on the SP is REALLY bad, the lenses even get scratched super easily, that's why people get blurry/overexposed pictures. If it's your priority, the more reasons to go for iPhone.
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The camera on the SP is REALLY bad, the lenses even get scratched super easily, that's why people get blurry/overexposed pictures. If it's your priority, the more reasons to go for SP.
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I think you meant "Go for iPhone"!
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I think you meant "Go for iPhone"!
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Completely, thanks.
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Ok guys, looks like I'm more undecided now, can some1 do a +/- features for both phones (like comparing them). It would be great! Thanks! :highfive:
Edit1 : It would be even better, if any1 could suggest me a phone which I can play with the /system and do a normal work/sometime playing Clash Of Clans and Asphalt 8 and for music listening at the same time. I thought that the XSP can do it but it looks like it can't
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This phone can perfectly do that! Asphalt 8 runs fine with 0 lag on ultra settings and you should be able to play music when playing either of these games
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And I know one thing about the i5: the WiFi sucks! My dad is always complaining about how he doesn't find any networks while I can find like 10 with my sp or that he can't connect to certain wireless network while I can
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And I know one thing about the i5: the WiFi sucks! My dad is always complaining about how he doesn't find any networks while I can find like 10 with my sp or that he can't connect to certain wireless network while I can
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The SP had some WiFi reception problems (range) but the latest update has fixed it.
WiFi reception is perfect now!
Hi. I've searched through some of the forum threads and can't find a direct comparison by actual owners so apologies in advance if this has been covered already....
I have a iphone 4s; the camera is good. I have tried to move to a android phone twice now, (HTC one and a Sony Z1 Compact) and was not impressed with the camera on either so I went back to my iphone 4s.
The HTC uses 4k ultra pixels so is good in low light but mediocre in normal daylight.
The Z1 compact camera just seemed flat, slow, blurred and I took several pics with my 4s and the 4s blew the sony out the water, which surprised me given it's age and much lower pixel count. (which I know isn't everything)
I want a compact phone, android with a excellent camera. Has anyone had experience using the Z3 AND the Z1 compacts?
Other than the camera on the Z3 compact which has mixed reviews, I'm very tempted by this phone as its small, has good battery life, decent specs but I'm weary after my bad experience with the Z1 compact.
Can anyone alley my fears or confirm the camera quality?
thanks
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much lower pixel count. (which I know isn't everything)
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The higher pixel count is actually counterproductive since each individual cell collects less light and there's additional space between them even increasing the effect (same with high density displays). Unless you do some kind of binning. That's been a trend since at least ten years, my ancient 4MP camera still takes very good low-light shots.
I received my Z3C yesterday so I don't have a lot of experience with it but my first impression is that you will be also disapointed with the camera like you were with the Z1C. Why that? Because I am a disappointed myself. I had the Z1C for 9 months before selling it of the Z3C. I also had the iPhone 4S before and I have to admit that the iPhone is a way more reliable device when it comes to instant photography.
What a pity to embed such a great hardware and not being able to get the most of it.
Rexet...
Thanks for the response. I feared that maybe the case. What a shame. I can't find a decent, small android phone with a top camera.... im hoping the nexus x may be the answer but who knows then that will be released..
iphone 6 (compact) seems to be the logical upgrade but i want to go back to android without sacrificing the camera and refuse to pay what is in my opinion too much for the iphone.
To answer your original question, the z3c camera is MUCH better than the z1ç. This is in both low light, and normal lighting.
HOWEVER my wife ip5s still take better pictures ...
Comparing with Z1 Compact which I had for 6 months, yes it's better with a noticeable margin.
In my opinion, the Z3c (1 week so far) takes roughly the same quality photos as the Z1c (4 months). It's a little snappier and that may be to the slightly faster chipset. The physical button is more sensitive on the Z3c which seems to capture faster.
In both cases, I think the cameras are super competitive with other phones but only if you use manual mode and learn how to shoot with it. You can take some pretty amazing photos with it but Sony makes you work for it. The Superior Auto is crap in my opinion since it often picks the wrong white balance.
Ive both and the z3c is slightly better than the z1c specially at low light. the 12800 ISO actually works (ie z1c == black picture where you see stuff on the z3c)
in bright light its hard to spot any difference.
as for the washed out colors and slight blur look, this is all post processing settings. washed out looking colors generally are actually natural colors. if you change the white balance and sharpness filter they'll look better than the iphone4 pictures.
I compared with colleague's iphone 6. In bright light (ie sun light) they look very similar once the image has been processed for the z3c. Otherwise it does look less contrasted etc. and the iphone6 picture looks better by default. All pics were taken in manual mode, they tend to suck in superior auto...
You can use the Google photo enhance for auto processing if you dont want to do it yourself, it does an okayish job of changing contrast, white balance and sharpness settings.
In low light the z3c is much better than the iphone6.
Hope it gives you an idea. Check the picture thread for samples http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-...ost-pictures-xperia-z3-compact-t2889119/page5
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as for the washed out colors and slight blur look, this is all post processing settings. washed out looking colors generally are actually natural colors. if you change the white balance and sharpness filter they'll look better than the iphone4 pictures.
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You mean applying a filter after you take the picture, or a setting you can change before and/or during taking a picture?
theres some things you can do while you take the picture, some you can do after. you can actually do the exact same changes after as you can do before except for SCN modes which change the sensor settings.. all other settings appear to be post processing (happening as you take the picture thought).
Most programs will let you do that. I change them in Gimp most of the time, when im lazy and didnt do it in the camera i just use google auto enhance from their photo app.
To look more like the iphones and galaxy phones tho, the settings i generally have to boost are whitebalance (a lot), sharpness (a fair amount) and just a bit of contrast.
I believe you cannot adjust the sharpness within the sony camera app.
With a phone camera, the last thing I want to do...and I bet many others too...is root around with post processing (what the hell??!) and with tweaking in manual mode.
I want to take it out of my pocket and press capture...snap. Done. Like the iphone.
Why is it so hard to do this?
In same position, bought the z3 compact to replace my iPhone 5.
In short, the camera is the only disappointing feature of the phone, and it really is a big disappointment. Washed out colours, terrible shutter lag, slow focus, very soft focus. Have tried all the different camera options (superior auto, different manual options, scenes options) and found nothing adequate yet.
A real shame as I really want to move away from ios, the rest of the phone is superb, if the camera isn't important then it's a fantastic device!
Yep automatic modes arent very good.
Manual modes are okay / mostly on par with competition.. That exludes phones like the lumia 1020 of course. One would hope sony work on the software a bit more in this area
News said z3/z3c camera software will be re-written on Android L(not sure about z1/z1c/z2), so now on 4.4.4 it won't be any better than z1c. I've got a z1c and only played z3c in a local phone store, the phone got faster focus but I think that is pretty much all of this. The quality is just same with Z2, not any better til Android L out. Z3/z3c used a slightly improved cmos(IMX220 vs IMX200) and G lens but you only got better at low light, day time quality has no different at all.
HTC, Samsung, Iphone all got better focus, so they always got a sharper picture and Sony is soft. Speaking for the photo quality, indeed z1/2/3 is real good at low light(when you focus right) and even slightly better than HTC/Samsung/Iphone(this is my experiences and you can notice that from many reviews too) but day time just not that good though acceptable.
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News said z3/z3c camera software will be re-written on Android L
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They did? I mean, you're not talking about the extended Android API but Sony's actual camera software?
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They did? I mean, you're not talking about the extended Android API but Sony's actual camera software?
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I'd like a source on this as well. It really is a shame that Sony's camera software isn't on par with the rest of this fantastic device despite the superior hardware. I understand manually adjusting the camera is a solution, but for the layperson who doesn't have the time nor the know-how to make those adjustments, a simpler solution is preferred and a revamp/improvement of their software would go a long way in achieving that.
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I want a compact phone, android with a excellent camera. Has anyone had experience using the Z3 AND the Z1 compacts?
Other than the camera on the Z3 compact which has mixed reviews, I'm very tempted by this phone as its small, has good battery life, decent specs but I'm weary after my bad experience with the Z1 compact.
Can anyone alley my fears or confirm the camera quality?
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In my limited experience with the z3c, the camera is very poor when it comes to fine details like trees and leaves etc. If camera performance is important for you, then definitely look elsewhere. Shame on such a good phone otherwise.
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In my limited experience with the z3c, the camera is very poor when it comes to fine details like trees and leaves etc. If camera performance is important for you, then definitely look elsewhere. Shame on such a good phone otherwise.
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The trees and leaves needs an extremely low compression rate to maintain the fine details because of JPG problem(too old). However, the compression rate is often too high on all Sony phones. RAW image is very possible being a basic requirement on Android L according from Google speaking, so this problem might be solved in the future.
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Why not? Android L is a total new OS so Sony is forced to rewrite anythings(though I believe Sony is lazy and actually doesn't want to do it... lol)
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boojay said:
I'd like a source on this as well. It really is a shame that Sony's camera software isn't on par with the rest of this fantastic device despite the superior hardware. I understand manually adjusting the camera is a solution, but for the layperson who doesn't have the time nor the know-how to make those adjustments, a simpler solution is preferred and a revamp/improvement of their software would go a long way in achieving that.
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Sony keen to Fix Image Algorithms in Xperia Z3
http://smartphonetechie.com/sony-keen-to-fix-image-algorithms-in-xperia-z3/
The SA mode works good to me, the only problem on SA for most people because it very actively detects the handshake and switch to sport mode and turn up shutter speed and ISO in the end, it will ruin the overall quality and may increase/decrease the brightness in a wrong way but it will also help for folks who got seriously handshake.
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Sony keen to Fix Image Algorithms in Xperia Z3
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The SA mode works good to me, the only problem on SA for most people because it very actively detects the handshake and switch to sport mode and turn up shutter speed and ISO in the end, it will ruin the overall quality and may increase/decrease the brightness in a wrong way but it will also help for folks who got seriously handshake.
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Ah, but from the sounds of it, the fix was supposed to come with the Z3 series, but clearly that never happened. Fingers crossed with Android L then, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
is the camera really that bad, all the reviews say its pretty good, not quite the gold standard iphone 6 level but close enough? The pics posted on this forum from the z3 compact look good too IMO.