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Hi everyone.
Need a phone for my wife. Hers was lost ):
Thought of this or a Xiaomi one.
I like that this one has CM build.
How do U guys like this phone (even on stock rom)?
Would you recommend it?
Basic everyday usages. PS - how's the camera?
Thanks so much!
wont recommend for the camera, rest the performance & battery is huge and efficient... I keep iphone 7 for camera/snapchat/etc
No, not at all. After about 10 days I got airplane mode issue that can't be solved now, I had only 7 days replacement warranty :/ Camera also not of that level. So don't go for it.
thank you guys
The camera is not good and the fingerprint sensor fails after a few months, but the long battery life is awesome and software support (CM14, NucleaROM) is great. It depends on what you want/need. As a practical, affordable tool, the Zuk Z1's a great phone.
I probably wouldn't consider it if I weren't putting a custom ROM on it, though.
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Yes I would surely recommend you this phone. First thing is that its battery is very efficient. Next is that I liked its front camera 8MP. Performance is also quite good.
benyben123 said:
Hi everyone.
Need a phone for my wife. Hers was lost ):
Thought of this or a Xiaomi one.
I like that this one has CM build.
How do U guys like this phone (even on stock rom)?
Would you recommend it?
Basic everyday usages. PS - how's the camera?
Thanks so much!
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nirvikkhanal said:
Yes I would surely recommend you this phone. First thing is that its battery is very efficient. Next is that I liked its front camera 8MP. Performance is also quite good.
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I do think, though, that if his wife wants a nice camera, she should look for another phone.
I wouldn't recommend it unless you are willing to install a custom rom
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I wouldn't recommend it unless you are willing to install a custom rom
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What's your problem with this phone and why are you only talking about getting custom roms???
I have my ZUK1 since more than a year as a daily driver. Travelled the world with it using its dual sim function to the fullest. Use my fingerprint reader every day and has not failed nor can I confirm the other problems people are "experiencing".
I do read a lot here and can only assume that a lot of the "problems" are self inflicted, flashing and or unlocking/rooting while they don't have a clue what they are doing...:silly:
My phone is stock COS12.1 since day 1.
About the camera...its not the best but for the money you pay descent enough.
I have also a NOTE 4 and can say the ZUK1 it beats the Samsung with ease and that for less than half the price.
And if you are scared reading about problems with a phone, please do yourself a favour and go and read on the Samsung NOTE 4 section...that's suppose to be a flagship phone!
Would I buy the ZUK1 again? YES, for the 200€ I paid more than a year ago it has fulfilled all its promises and is still going strong...but then again thinking about it, maybe its better that you buy another phone as I am sure I bought the ONLY good ZUK1 ever build!
cfds said:
What's your problem with this phone and why are you only talking about getting custom roms???
I have my ZUK1 since more than a year as a daily driver. Travelled the world with it using its dual sim function to the fullest. Use my fingerprint reader every day and has not failed nor can I confirm the other problems people are "experiencing".
I do read a lot here and can only assume that a lot of the "problems" are self inflicted, flashing and or unlocking/rooting while they don't have a clue what they are doing...:silly:
My phone is stock COS12.1 since day 1.
About the camera...its not the best but for the money you pay descent enough.
I have also a NOTE 4 and can say the ZUK1 it beats the Samsung with ease and that for less than half the price.
And if you are scared reading about problems with a phone, please do yourself a favour and go and read on the Samsung NOTE 4 section...that's suppose to be a flagship phone!
Would I buy the ZUK1 again? YES, for the 200€ I paid more than a year ago it has fulfilled all its promises and is still going strong...but then again thinking about it, maybe its better that you buy another phone as I am sure I bought the ONLY good ZUK1 ever build!
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I have my zuk z1 since October last year and flashed a rom a few weeks ago cause of all the problems with the standard software, yes I did try a factory reset to see if it solves my problems wich it didn't. The hardware of this phone is good enough the only problem I have is that my fingerprint scanner doesn't work anymore. The biggest problem is the software, it's buggy, slow, still runs on lollipop and the last security update is form June
cfds said:
What's your problem with this phone and why are you only talking about getting custom roms???
I have my ZUK1 since more than a year as a daily driver. Travelled the world with it using its dual sim function to the fullest. Use my fingerprint reader every day and has not failed nor can I confirm the other problems people are "experiencing".
I do read a lot here and can only assume that a lot of the "problems" are self inflicted, flashing and or unlocking/rooting while they don't have a clue what they are doing...:silly:
My phone is stock COS12.1 since day 1.
About the camera...its not the best but for the money you pay descent enough.
I have also a NOTE 4 and can say the ZUK1 it beats the Samsung with ease and that for less than half the price.
And if you are scared reading about problems with a phone, please do yourself a favour and go and read on the Samsung NOTE 4 section...that's suppose to be a flagship phone!
Would I buy the ZUK1 again? YES, for the 200€ I paid more than a year ago it has fulfilled all its promises and is still going strong...but then again thinking about it, maybe its better that you buy another phone as I am sure I bought the ONLY good ZUK1 ever build!
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Lolipop is pathetic, with default operating system screen was way too yellowish (even after customizing colors), finger print button wasn't working as home button, too old operating system the default one is.
I also won't recommend, even if you he goes with it I'll recommend custom rom.
Phone is great, really a value for money device. I was one of the first that took the risk to buy it more than 1.5year ago, but it turned out it was the best choice. ZUK Z1 still going strong in 2017.
Ta3iapxHs said:
Phone is great, really a value for money device. I was one of the first that took the risk to buy it more than 1.5year ago, but it turned out it was the best choice. ZUK Z1 still going strong in 2017.
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So you bought the second good ZUK Z1 ever produced?!
I agree, good value for money! Has the best GPS I ever encountered in a smartphone...
When I unpacked my "brand new" phone more than a year ago it had (still has) a small nick in the frame next to the USB charging point, that's how it came off the production line. Got the phone off ebay.de and decided it wasn't wort the hassle to get is shipped back and replaced. Lenovo probably "marked" the few good phones...:laugh:
Im thinking buying a mi 5 ?But overall the mi 5 is a good phone?
Well, there are tens of reviews on internet if you want more specific information.
I don't think Mi5 is a budget phone. More than that it is a flagship phone with surprisingly low price. Great design, camera, display etc. I can't find anything better with that money.
Only weak thing in my opinion is MIUI and locked bootloader. I personally don't like it too much. But as long as custom rom development is good, you can fix it. Of course you need a little effort to unlock the phone and install custom rom.
Apart from MIUI I would suggest this phone to anyone who wants not too big display. Now I suggest this phone to anyone who is ready to put a little extra effort and time to make it even better.
Been using MI5 for over a month now. I even unlocked bootloader and custom roms and went back to stock. Snapdragon 820 spec and cheap price, you wont go wrong, though u must consider if network bands in ur area is compatible with this devce
If you can get it at the advertised price or close then there is nothing better at that price point. You really are getting a flagship phone at a budget price.
I like MIUI v8. It is a huge improvement over the previous versions and very stable as I have never had any issues (stock stable China ROM). Lots of useful features, nice theme. Updates every couple of months to include latest fixes and security patches. Nougat will arrive soon I hope. Also have your choice of China, EU, or Global rom.
SD820 is still one of the best around. Battery life is excellent. Build quality is very nice but slippery. Lovely display. Nice size for me. Has an IR blaster that I find useful now and again when traveling. Dual-sim works perfectly and unlike a lot of other flagship phones, it works with 4G/LTE and 3G at the same time which is tremendously useful if traveling to countries that have no 2G network.
Only slight negative is that the camera isn't up there with the best of the best (Apple and Samsung), it's just good.
I need to buy a phone. My preferences are good performance, good community support and development and ample storage. Mi5 only comes with 32GB here in India. But given the price to performance ratio, its awesome. Can someone tell me if I opt for this, what will I be looking forward to ??
I've seen the Redmi Note 4 getting more or less regular updates and MIUI 9 is quite stable. Can the same be said for the Mi5 ??
Since it has the SD820, I can assume it won't be lagging any time soon. Since the development looks awesome, the phone isn't going down any time soon. So is this a good buy now ??
Any comments and/or advice is appreciated.
I bought my Mi5 4months ago and I am very happy! for this price tag 190€ for 64GB it's a good deal!
If you like flashing and trying out different roms, than yes!
It's a high performance phone with a lot of options as far as roms, kernels and tweaks go.
As for the MIUI global rom, I can't say that I was satisfied when I was using it. I felt like it was hindering performance, especially since they updated to nougat, and only with custom roms (including custom MIUI roms like MIUI eu) I was able to squeeze all the performance MI5 has to give
daddyodevil said:
I need to buy a phone. My preferences are good performance, good community support and development and ample storage. Mi5 only comes with 32GB here in India. But given the price to performance ratio, its awesome. Can someone tell me if I opt for this, what will I be looking forward to ??
I've seen the Redmi Note 4 getting more or less regular updates and MIUI 9 is quite stable. Can the same be said for the Mi5 ??
Since it has the SD820, I can assume it won't be lagging any time soon. Since the development looks awesome, the phone isn't going down any time soon. So is this a good buy now ??
Any comments and/or advice is appreciated.
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i bought the 32gb model too because it was the only one available in india. i bought it in june 2016 .
it is still a good option if you install lineage or any other custom rom the day you get it because miui global is straight up trash.
if you decide to buy this get the black colour( it hides the black bars around the screen) and flash lineage os the day you get it....
also gps is not good.. battery life average at best( after all this time)
much better when it was new...
good luck
Go for it Best phone I ever had after LG G2. But the experience is much better on LOS 14.1, but it's my personal opinion. For 200 euro you won't get anything better.
Hi all,
Just a quick one, thinking of buying the mi 11 but will be just a UK stock one as not really got time for flashing etc, just wondered with battery life and other connectivity issues would you still recommend buying ?
Cheers in advance
Not yet if ur life depends on flashing custom roms
Even tho it appears you can do plenty of tweaks with ADB tool ??
Struggling to find a replacement for my mate 20 pro !! Defo need wireless charging which a lot don't have
not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device
I'm very happy for my mi 11. I'm on Xiaomi stable EU rom.
Works nice, battery life is ok (120hz screen and resolution obviously eat battery somehow).
Work smooth, is super.
Only one minutes is that night video mode it is not good as it was on official Xiaomi materials for this phone.
Screen is beautiful, worth of buy for it.
qvert said:
not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device
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How could you buy a phone that looks and feels in a way that you don't like ?
Some things you find out about a phone after using it a while, but there are pictures even on google...you can see how it looks and how big is it.
I have Mi 11 and yes, the battery is ok, but it could be better if the CPU wasn't so power hungry.
The rest of the "issues" that you listed are your fault, or a local issue...not all Mi 11 have those issues.
qvert said:
not anymore,
i purchased it in march,
it was much more expansive than now, for sure
however there are many things which annoys me on my mi11
--> battery is not good
--> proximity sensor sometimes is crazy
--> receiption of wifi and 4g is not as good as other phones directly next to each other
--> updates does not have any changelog, i mean at least there are updates but no one knows whats changed
--> it's too big somehow
--> curved screen annoys me
sure, might be different for other people, but next time i will not buy on day1 + smaller and no curved device
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I've got to be honest, I think the device is amazing in every way, and my phone background is Samsung Note series phones, and to be honest, this is an amazing device.
Battery life is very good, and I have no complaints about anything else if I'm honest.
You mention changelog, but where you go to update the software, it tells you what was included in the last software update ?
Blitzz.666 said:
How could you buy a phone that looks and feels in a way that you don't like ?
Some things you find out about a phone after using it a while, but there are pictures even on google...you can see how it looks and how big is it.
I have Mi 11 and yes, the battery is ok, but it could be better if the CPU wasn't so power hungry.
The rest of the "issues" that you listed are your fault, or a local issue...not all Mi 11 have those issues.
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thats why i said its my issues and not everyones
still it's the worse device (FOR ME, not for everyone) i purchased since years and i buy 1-2 phones every year
and i had a bunch of xiaomis too
my last devices somehow are like
Mi 11
Pixel 5
Oneplus 8 Pro
Poco f2 Pro
Mi 9t Pro
Oneplus 7 Pro
and the mi11 simply disappoints me personally
It would be fine if it would be cheaper or if i would not get a poco f3 which is doing everything the same except a slight worse camera for 1/3 of the money
qvert said:
thats why i said its my issues and not everyones
still it's the worse device (FOR ME, not for everyone) i purchased since years and i buy 1-2 phones every year
and i had a bunch of xiaomis too
my last devices somehow are like
Mi 11
Pixel 5
Oneplus 8 Pro
Poco f2 Pro
Mi 9t Pro
Oneplus 7 Pro
and the mi11 simply disappoints me personally
It would be fine if it would be cheaper or if i would not get a poco f3 which is doing everything the same except a slight worse camera for 1/3 of the money
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This is the first phone you ever had that comes with SD888, so don't compare.
Hey man, ignore the others. The phone is great. I purchased it for only £500 and it's the best phone I've ever purchased. The only downside I see is battery life. With my usage I get around 5 hours on screen time but this is without using the battery saver and with 120hz enabled. If you tweak some settings you can easily get upwards of 6 to 7 hours.
If you know what to expect from MIUI, then it isn't really a big deal. However, if you are used to clean ROMs, then MIUI will slap you.
It comes with a lot of suspicious apps and most of Xiaomi is about colorful effects that do nothing. There are a lot of bugs and overall the focus is 90% on themes and design rather than functionality (e.g. you can't use one handed mode when you got gesture control active).
If I knew back then what I know now after using a Xiaomi for 2 weeks, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
Very happy with mine, bought chinese version £500 and flashed Xiaomi stable EU rom which is clean while saving money pretty much up there with S21 ultra for spec while costing less Love the screen at 120hz and set res to FHD as I cant tell the difference I get around 5-6hours SOT and overall build is very good pretty difficult to find something at this price and spec
Also dont mind MIUI actually like it
Looked at Wanda for buying one, but didn't know you could put EU rom on ?
Did some flashing in past but not done anything recently so some questions,
- it easy enough with these ??
- also what's updating like ? do you need to do them yourself once flashed ? you don't get any OTA ?
- do all standard google / banking / gpay stuff work ?
pss53 said:
Looked at Wanda for buying one, but didn't know you could put EU rom on ?
Did some flashing in past but not done anything recently so some questions,
- it easy enough with these ??
- also what's updating like ? do you need to do them yourself once flashed ? you don't get any OTA ?
- do all standard google / banking / gpay stuff work ?
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Hey man, flashing the xiaomi.eu ROM is pretty easy. It is basically a modified version of the China ROM so have all of their cool features. You can check out the guide by visiting their site or checking the thread which should be a couple below this one. Updating is done via twrp flashing as you do not receive OTA updated. Google works fine however you may need to do some tweaking to get your bank app/gpay to work. For example I needed to install an app called adaway to block some DNS so that my bank app would work. Hope this helps.
Cheers and if I bought global version would you need to flash that??
Just I struggle for my own "tech time" now i'm busy with work and a wife ! :-D
pss53 said:
Cheers and if I bought global version would you need to flash that??
Just I struggle for my own "tech time" now i'm busy with work and a wife ! :-D
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No wouldnt need to will work fine
pss53 said:
Hi all,
Just a quick one, thinking of buying the mi 11 but will be just a UK stock one as not really got time for flashing etc, just wondered with battery life and other connectivity issues would you still recommend buying ?
Cheers in advance
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I have UK model (supplied by UK H3G network vendor), with Global MIUI 12.5 (Android 11).
Battery life is stellar
SOT is 8+ hours at 60hz
OS is stable and smooth.
Wireless and reverse wireless charging work perfecty.
Mi 11 5G is basically on par with a Samsung S21 Ultra at half the price (minus the 10x zoom lense).
Before I had Mi 10 which I bricked somehow, idk for sure it's my fault but anyway I've got refund of price which I paid when I bought 10, so natural choice of my was 11, and in comparison to 10 it's way better fingerprints reader, faster which you can feel everywhere, stunning display even when compared to 10, still way better, battery lot better, camera no words the huge difference, in overall my 10 had about 250 apps and was really slow sometimes, getting hot with no reason,.
Now 11 the same amount, almost but mostly all, before bootloader unlock and flashing Xiaomi.eu is working as I expect from mobile, fast, no lags and no overheating.
But it's not like 10 was bad, try to understand me comparing to 10 Xiaomi made a good job and released much better successor. That's it, if my 10 would still work I probably wouldn't buy it.
Previously I had mix 2s and wait two generations to hop into new one, and same before.
In overall it's very good model, and I don't regret that I picked that one instead of Poco F3 or whatever else. I trust flagships are better not only with 10-15% performance, where's more of everything...
I am half tempted buying a mi 11 ultra but is it still relevant in 2023 ?
But my biggest concern is the dead wifi/Mobo since I already own a vanilla mi 11 that needed a board replacement
iBURGER said:
I am half tempted buying a mi 11 ultra but is it still relevant in 2023 ?
But my biggest concern is the dead wifi/Mobo since I already own a vanilla mi 11 that needed a board replacement
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Very happy with mine.
Was tempted to upgrade to a Pixel 7 Pro or a Honor Magic 5 Pro (I care mostly about the camera) but honestly it's very hard to justify. Pictures remain best in class even vs the latest phones, the phone is really fast, screens good. It's really hard for me so far to get tempted by a new phone. And I do want to get tempted... Maybe will need a Mi 13 Ultra or a Pixel 8 to get me to upgrade (I tend to trust DXO and they haven't ranked the Mi 13 Pro very well. Seems the 11 Ultra still does a better job overall when it goes down to the camera)
So yeah if you find a good deal on one you won't be disappointed.
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Very happy with mine.
Was tempted to upgrade to a Pixel 7 Pro or a Honor Magic 5 Pro (I care mostly about the camera) but honestly it's very hard to justify. Pictures remain best in class even vs the latest phones, the phone is really fast, screens good. It's really hard for me so far to get tempted by a new phone. And I do want to get tempted... Maybe will need a Mi 13 Ultra or a Pixel 8 to get me to upgrade (I tend to trust DXO and they haven't ranked the Mi 13 Pro very well. Seems the 11 Ultra still does a better job overall when it goes down to the camera)
So yeah if you find a good deal on one you won't be disappointed.
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Thank you for the reply that's why I am tempted to buy it especially since it's cheaper now than most snapdragon 8 gen 2 flagships with basically same specs but as I said my biggest concern is the phone dying within few months as many reported " summer can reach 45° in my area"
iBURGER said:
Thank you for the reply that's why I am tempted to buy it especially since it's cheaper now than most snapdragon 8 gen 2 flagships with basically same specs but as I said my biggest concern is the phone dying within few months as many reported " summer can reach 45° in my area"
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I live in Hong Kong, which is pretty hot in summer, and never really had heat related issues (That being, said I don't play games, so I don't hit much on the processor)
For sure if you buy it, you shouldn't pay more than half of a curent flagship price (The phone is 2 generations behind, it should really be cheap)
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I live in Hong Kong, which is pretty hot in summer, and never really had heat related issues (That being, said I don't play games, so I don't hit much on the processor)
For sure if you buy it, you shouldn't pay more than half of a curent flagship price (The phone is 2 generations behind, it should really be cheap)
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I can back you on this, I'm also in Hong Kong, Mi 11 Ultra with Global rom MIUI 13 for dinner time already, and i do game, Honkai Impact 3rd, Genshin Impact, Nikke. No heat problem and wifi issues. Great phone, especially at the current price point. Something to stand out from the all look the same phone lines out there.
I agree with all the feedback shared above. It is still a beast of a phone and runs multiple application parallely without any lag. Camera is great. If you are a AOSP fan, you have couple of good ROMs as well - PE+ and Project 404 roms.
Knock yourself out with a Mi 11 Ultra
I bought an used Mi 11 Ultra for 500 Euro a week ago and i rly like it ! I couldnt find a phone that i like more than this despite it being a 2 years old model.
It was with China ROM and 2 days ago i installed EliteRom free version (had to wait 1 week for bootloader to be unlocked). So far great experience.
I am planning to try some magisk modules i found here on the forum for underclocking for better battery life.
Hi guys can you give us info about battery performance with latest updates? Or comparisons with other phone you been using. Thanks
After a long time I try a Xiaomi device. As you can see on my posts or at my signature I use to own tons of devices. Pixels , Samsung's , and iPhones every year almost all of their flagships. Anyway I love the mi 11 ultra when released but it was way too expensive for a Chinese phone. I found one one month ago for around 300€ 256/12 white ceramic (CN version ) and give it a go . Phone is extremely snappy fast and reliable ( with Xiaomi eu Rom ) after few modification if I can say it with elite Rom and a few magisk modules like snapdragon 888 power efficient etc phone is great. Very good battery life I get easily around 7H sot with daily use ( no gaming but I use all social apps more than 7apps) phone never overheat like stock and I can say this is the fastest charging phone ever use. I can easily recommend this for a daily device in 2023. Special it the person who gonna buy it knows how to unlock bootloader and debloat this plus all the mods I mention above. Camera is also top notch that's why its still on top 15 phones of dxo ..I hope this helps cya
dukat0s said:
After a long time I try a Xiaomi device. As you can see on my posts or at my signature I use to own tons of devices. Pixels , Samsung's , and iPhones every year almost all of their flagships. Anyway I love the mi 11 ultra when released but it was way too expensive for a Chinese phone. I found one one month ago for around 300€ 256/12 white ceramic (CN version ) and give it a go . Phone is extremely snappy fast and reliable ( with Xiaomi eu Rom ) after few modification if I can say it with elite Rom and a few magisk modules like snapdragon 888 power efficient etc phone is great. Very good battery life I get easily around 7H sot with daily use ( no gaming but I use all social apps more than 7apps) phone never overheat like stock and I can say this is the fastest charging phone ever use. I can easily recommend this for a daily device in 2023. Special it the person who gonna buy it knows how to unlock bootloader and debloat this plus all the mods I mention above. Camera is also top notch that's why its still on top 15 phones of dxo ..I hope this helps cya
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Could you mention any of the settings or steps you've done on that phone. I don't remember having a rooted cell phone. And I would like this equipment to last me several years, in addition to a screen duration of more than 4.5 hours that it is giving me
Thanks
Regioenleon said:
Could you mention any of the settings or steps you've done on that phone. I don't remember having a rooted cell phone. And I would like this equipment to last me several years, in addition to a screen duration of more than 4.5 hours that it is giving me
Thanks
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Well there is plenty of videos out there how to unlock and root a Xiaomi in 2023. After that it's easy to flash twrp and any Rom u want.. I prefer elite Rom cause it's miui based and give some extra options like 60/90/120 hz.. u can easily put the phone to FHD+ AND 90hz and get even more juice. Out of this battery. Feel free to ask anything u want .
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Well there is plenty of videos out there how to unlock and root a Xiaomi in 2023. After that it's easy to flash twrp and any Rom u want.. I prefer elite Rom cause it's miui based and give some extra options like 60/90/120 hz.. u can easily put the phone to FHD+ AND 90hz and get even more juice. Out of this battery. Feel free to ask anything u want .
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Well, I will follow the steps to root.
A question regarding that ROM, or the AOSP. Is it true that the MIUI camera doesn't work?
And yes, what I look for the most is battery performance
I don't try aosp but on this Rom miui camera is working great. . Follow the magisk modules as well I post on another thread I see u saw it .