To piggyback off of what @trey2050 was asking in another thread, say Samsung pay see's the light of day, is there a way to package a stock ROM with memory and other speed tweaks and then make it to where it wont trip Knox so that it's usable? say Odin flashable? rather than flashed in TWRP? I actually like TW and assuming Android pay will also be able to make use of our fingerprint sensor, I'm pretty sure Knox will be a necessary evil in order to use Samsung pay
No one knows if Knox will have bearing on Samsung Pay; while we can assume that if Knox is tripped, Samsung Pay will be blocked... we don't know.
And there's nothing out there that tricks Knox [except an engineering bootloader, which has inherent problems of its own], or tricks anything into thinking Knox isnt tripped, and there's no way to speculate that something like this could or would exist. If anyone could say that it would; we'd have it already.
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Greetings,
Does anyone know if a non KNOX tripping ROOT method is either possible or on the way? Was waiting to ROOT this time around since I don't have as much time for phone fiddling these days but if it's not even a possibility I'd jump right in.
Thank you
Gorguts said:
Greetings,
Does anyone know if a non KNOX tripping ROOT method is either possible or on the way? Was waiting to ROOT this time around since I don't have as much time for phone fiddling these days but if it's not even a possibility I'd jump right in.
Thank you
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There's no official project and no exploits that have been mentioned. You might be waiting a while. I'm working on it myself and I'm not getting anywhere, but that's not to say someone else doesn't have a new method just around the corner.
Keeping Knox while rooted defeats many purposes of Knox so many will not even want to provide that option to people even if they could. You shouldn't have a rooted device protecting private information- especially when it's not yours (your work information for example).
On the other hand some worry about resale value or warranty and are not planning on using Knox while rooted, so for those purposes it might be beneficial, but not many care about those things and a root method currenlty exists (even if it trips Knox).
If you want root, trip Knox and forget about it. If you want to use Knox, don't root your device. If you don't know what Knox really is watch a Knox 2.0 YouTube video, then decide if you have a need for a secure container on your device.
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There's no official project and no exploits that have been mentioned. You might be waiting a while. I'm working on it myself and I'm not getting anywhere, but that's not to say someone else doesn't have a new method just around the corner.
Keeping Knox while rooted defeats many purposes of Knox so many will not even want to provide that option to people even if they could. You shouldn't have a rooted device protecting private information- especially when it's not yours (your work information for example).
On the other hand some worry about resale value or warranty and are not planning on using Knox while rooted, so for those purposes it might be beneficial, but not many care about those things and a root method currenlty exists (even if it trips Knox).
If you want root, trip Knox and forget about it. If you want to use Knox, don't root your device. If you don't know what Knox really is watch a Knox 2.0 YouTube video, then decide if you have a need for a secure container on your device.
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Thank you,
Not a huge deal at all. Just figured I see if anyone was close or bothering with it.
Cheers!
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Hello Everyone!
I just got a New t mobile note 4 SM-n910T3 lollypop? 5.1.1
I have been Cruzin this site and the web all night looking on how to root this phone without tripping knox
I am on a satellite internet service (HUGHESNET) and it is so very slow at times and only 250 megs of web surfing per day and I just about burned up my days allotment today trying to figure this phone out and rooting it
was going to get a note 5 but you can't replace a battery or add a sd card. most of Samsung new models are like the note 5, then finding out about this 5.1.1!! it looks like Samsung does not like people that buy there phones to modify or customize what they pay $500 to $700 for
So what is the best way to root this phone?? without tripping the knox
there is www.towelroot.com does this trip knox?
pingpong root?
one click root?
kingroot?
man o man this seems to go on and on
I wish the moderators here would make a thread on tested rooting processes so those of us that
do not have the skills that most people here at XDA do!! So like this post I think there are many many more like mine here!
Sorry if this has been posted by someone else
At this time and for the foreseeable future it will be impossible to not trip KNOX, every time Samsung updates it blocks you from messing with the firmware and all the methods you mentioned are "absolite" and do not work.
You need a new carrier with more power.
Pp.
Thank you for a reply but
You need a new carrier with more power. ???
I am on t mobile service are you saying go to AT&T more power??
Sorry I do not understand (You need a new carrier with more power. )
cf autoroot wont work on this phone??
so if I did not mind tripping knox what would be the best way to root this phone
I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.
Janis said:
I rooted my old Note 3 in October 2013 and read there is a hardware switch (like a fuse) that get's tripped when specific software changes are made. I don't know for sure that this is true, but the effectiveness of Knox can be seen in your difficulty of finding a way to circumvent it. If developers had found a way around it in the last 2+ years, it would be wildly popular and easy to find.
No, if you want root, you have to trip Knox. If you're with T-mobile, though, you may find it helpful to know I have not had an issue with getting support, including a replacement, for Knox-tripped phones.
XDA is set up in forum format so that you can read the results of personal testing and make your own choices. Yes, it would be great if they were made for us, and it would be great if everything on our phones worked all the time regardless of the hacks we do. You are hacking you phone. You get to decide how to do it. Usually there is risk of losing features, and often you can add features, like root. You get to decide what features are worth what risk. Happy reading.
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Hey so have you actually rooted a SM-N910T3 and unlocked bootloader and all?? I am desperate to get my rooted and flashed with a clean rom. please help.
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 Don't worry about Knox (Extremely hard to do on Snapdragon)
2 Root
3 No, so don't worry
4 You worry too much about Knox and yes you can go to stock.
cgrimm9 said:
My first smart phone was the Motorola droid x then I did have the Samsung mega that was easy to root and the as possible back then was not like today.i just gave my girlfriend the PIXEL. And I got me this note 8 unlocked My questions are.
1. Does root disable Knox (I believe if Knox is tripped Samsung pay won't work)
2I have n950u1ubu2bqk1 model I have not upgraded yet is this still rootable. If so will it tripped Knox. Can you give me the link to the right guide
3. What about TWRP will that trip Knox.
4.if Knox is tripped can I get back to stock and have Knox back
Thank you in advance
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1 yes
2 yes
3 there is no twrp for u1
4 yes
Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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Im not sure, but I believe the current root method for the 950U1 does not trip Knox; however Samsung Pay will not work on a rooted device.
If you do trip Knox, no you can NOT get Knox back. You can flash back to stock and uproot, but if Knox gets tripped it's done. It's an actual physical change on the motherboard that can't be reversed with software.
I personally no longer see a reason to riot, but others here disagree. You can disable almost any app you want without root with Package Disabler (although it seems the people with the best battery life and performance didnt disable anything). Ad Hell 2 will disable ads across the device without root. The Samsung Browser already has built in ad blockers. If you want to customize, there's plenty of themes in the Samsung theres store, or go with Substratum for full customization.
If I were you, I would enjoy the stock rooted experience for a while. You just might be surprised.
By the way, I've always been a Nexus/Pixel fan, rooting, custom ROM flashaholic. I unlocked bootloaders on all my devices, even if I didn't root them. So I speak from experience.
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Magisk will not allow Samsung Pay to work. It will not work with a rooted device. It is military grade security, which is good thing.
cgrimm9 said:
I'm debating cause I had/have the pixel. I bought from Google store. I unlocked and rooted installed TWRP but development not what I thought it would be due to the 2 partitions.
I was debating rooting this phone cause that's what I do can't leave things alone I'm experimenting with substratum trying to find what works and not hard to factory reset yhe phone 3 times now due to crashing.
I heard although rooting is available samfail has its issues I don't know if it's true just what I read not personal experience that can't charge the battery past 80% screen glitches sometimes and apps randomly crash. I think I'm gonna leave the phone alone get substratum theme where I like it. And go from there.
I keep a eye out and see if someone figures a way to install TWRP on this model. If magisk works like it does on the pixel on the note and allows apps like Samsung pay work I may do it. Main reason I root is for fully customized ROMS all I really care about is customization
Thank you your info helped allot. My stock benchmark anitutu ranked 5th on the 1 test I did so I'm happy just got to keep the little kid in me away from the phone
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Bought the wrong phone for customization.
Curious also, any suggestions.
Like the creator of this thread I can completely admit to being 100% novice. I started out back with the s3, and bricked my first phone, rooted successfully the 2nd time.... But not by any luck of my own, more like i could not figure out how to install superuser, so all i got was a rom that was already rooted and some how managed to flash it over using CWM. Now, many years later.... and yes, i was out (thank you prison) till this year. I now have a Samsung Galaxy Note 8, model number sm-n950u. I have done nothing at all to it, how ever i did download Odin3 3.12.3. I also went to a web page and found platform tools, the adb.exe, which to my knowledge means the Android debugging bridge? either way, I also then downloaded CSC_OYN_N950UOYN1AQIA_CL12185999_QB14995093_REV00_user_low_ship_MULTI_CERT.tar. Now, like many retards before me (myself included) I can't help but to be curious as to the benefits of rooting my device. Or at some point my gf's s8, though she would probably never trust me. Heck, i do not trust myself either because i am still making payments to att for the phone. But I am curious, where would a beginner begin??? where are some easy tutorials for learning how to use odin, or twrp, or cwm, or anything that would help me start.
Cough OnePlus 5T sir would give you the customization your looking for.
Noticed but not a big deal just got to deal with what I got
I'm looking for a new phone and the Europe S10+ is perfect
BUT
From what I'm understanding is that unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting it, trips KNOX and also voids the warranty, which would not be ideal for a 900€+ phone....
I want to know if all that is correct and the current scene for unlocking the bootloader, rooting and installing custom ROMs....
Thanks
riahc3 said:
I'm looking for a new phone and the Europe S10+ is perfect
BUT
From what I'm understanding is that unlocking the bootloader and/or rooting it, trips KNOX and also voids the warranty, which would not be ideal for a 900€+ phone....
I want to know if all that is correct and the current scene for unlocking the bootloader, rooting and installing custom ROMs....
Thanks
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All correct.
There isnt going to be any scene for the S10 because it supports Treble 2, any GSI (including Q beta) works on it, and all of its magic is tied to samsung software.
At most there will be modified stock roms, but to be fair the stock OOB system is pretty good, even more so because the S10 is receiving monthly updates
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There isnt going to be any scene for the S10 because it supports Treble 2, any GSI (including Q beta) works on it, and all of its magic is tied to samsung software.
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Treble isnt open source? I understand it cannot be backported to older devices but newer ones that support it out of the box dont?
Basically, what you are saying is to get a OnePlus 7 Pro then, right?
riahc3 said:
Treble isnt open source? I understand it cannot be backported to older devices but newer ones that support it out of the box dont?
Basically, what you are saying is to get a OnePlus 7 Pro then, right?
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Sorry for the long delay, my phone's screen was being replaced.
Treble is open source, only the drivers arent, but this is the same with each and every phone. What i meant is, there will not be a exclusive scene for the S10, you can simply download Universal roms from the universal forums here at xda, there is official Android Q beta 5, official Lineage, unnofficial omnirom, etc
Simply download an AARCH64 with A/B partitions
People havent done this on the S10 for simply being too new, but you can look into S9 running universal roms, since its exactly the same way
Mind you, samsung does offer monthly updates for the S10, mine has been on july patch for a few days already
Mind you also, while qualcomm S10s may still have a good camera in an AOSP rom using gcam, exynos phones will be in the dark with poor camera performance, as GCAM postprocessing is done using qualcomm libraries meant for qualcomm specific features, and the aosp camera certainly isnt good at all
Tripping KNOX won't void your warranty in the European countries! This is a mistake that has been made so many times... It's YOUR phone, YOU can do with it. The factory is NOT allowed to tell you what to do. (That's why I dislike Apple, but Samsung tries to tell us the same).
(Even worse for Samsung: they tell you it's IP67 or so, so when it's broken due to water it's still under warranty. Your problem is to 'convince' Samsung it's their fault that your phone broke)
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Tripping KNOX won't void your warranty in the European countries! This is a mistake that has been made so many times... It's YOUR phone, YOU can do with it. The factory is NOT allowed to tell you what to do. (That's why I dislike Apple, but Samsung tries to tell us the same).
(Even worse for Samsung: they tell you it's IP67 or so, so when it's broken due to water it's still under warranty. Your problem is to 'convince' Samsung it's their fault that your phone broke)
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You have a source on this?
I dont believe it.
I heard it before, but I don't wanna do anything rash..gonna believe it kinda cuz I live in The Netherlands and this is the new country of opportunities
Reason I wanna root is that my s10 is from June and I have a s8 rooted when the warranty was gone and it's never had issues and is better then my s10 right now....
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You have a source on this?
I dont believe it.
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Sorry that I didn't reply. Here's an article: https://blog.iusmentis.com/2013/05/06/garantie-telefoons-mag-niet-vervallen-bij-root-of-jailbreak/
Hey Everyone,
So I have a Galaxy S10 that I've had since release. With every other phone I've ever had, I've rooted/jailbroken it. I would very much like to do the same with this one. However, unlocking the bootloader (or perhaps flashing 3rd party things) reportedly trips knox, which in turn disallows Samsung Pay. Idrc about the warranty, just Samsung Pay. I know to many of y'all Samsung Pay is just bloatware, but I literally use it everywhere and on the daily (it substitutes my wallet).
So I know if I say just "can I root without disabling Samsung Pay", many will say "no; obviously it trips knox". But I have two specific questions.
First of all, I read in many guides for older devices (Note 3, S6, S9, etc) that one-click-root solutions don't trip knox, since they don't unlock your bootloader (using an exploit instead). I know that one-click-root solutions aren't the "right" way to do it (given that they use exploits) and I know many contain malware. I've been rooting for years and years, though, and for one of my phones I relied on a one-click-root solution before an official solution was available (I used KingRoot, which later on was revealed to be malware, but basically what I did is just install KingRoot and root my phone and then switch to SuperSU (which was safe at the time before it got bought out). So yeah, again, I understand the risks, but would that avoid tripping knox and therefore disabling Samsung Pay?
My second question is just an idea, not something that I've found to be true, so it's not very likely (but why not I guess). If one were to unlock the bootloader, thereby triggering knox, but then flashed a third party OS, would it be possible / are there any available that have a version of Samsung Pay that doesn't check for knox values (or uses a fake one)? I know that's a lot more complex than it seems, and I doubt that it's available, but just thought I'd ask.
Let me know with responses to these or any other ideas if you feel so inclined! Thanks so much and y'all have a great day!
(ps, sorry for the long post :/)