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So I'm a Galaxy Nexus (Verizon) user and looking to get a new phone. I'm looking at getting a Moto X and I have a few questions about it. Mainly in regards to rooting and getting cyanogenmod up and running on it. I don't mind using its stock rom as it seems rather close to stock android, but I'm curious as to how hard is it to root a Moto X on Verizon and getting cyanogenmod on it and keep the special features like the shake to unlock the camera and the voice commands. Also how is the battery on the device (I normally stick to 3G and maybe web surf a bit and look at my RSS feeds through the day not a lot of really data intense apps.) Thanks.
I just got my Moto X a few days ago and found that I enjoyed the experience so much on it that I decided not to root. I have been rooting my phones for a few years and finally found a stock experience that I enjoy.
I don't see a reason why you would want to lose the amazing features that Moto X offers by switching to CM.
You can root the phone (there are guides around the forums for this) and add Xposed modules to modify some parts of the phone, however, any OTA updates will cause some headaches. With 4.4 around the corner for the Moto X I am going to hold off rooting for a while and enjoy what Motorola gave to us.
i.Design said:
I just got my Moto X a few days ago and found that I enjoyed the experience so much on it that I decided not to root. I have been rooting my phones for a few years and finally found a stock experience that I enjoy.
I don't see a reason why you would want to lose the amazing features that Moto X offers by switching to CM.
You can root the phone (there are guides around the forums for this) and add Xposed modules to modify some parts of the phone, however, any OTA updates will cause some headaches. With 4.4 around the corner for the Moto X I am going to hold off rooting for a while and enjoy what Motorola gave to us.
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I'm also a long time rooter/CM kinda guy, galaxy nexus, GS3 etc etc, and I can honestly say that the only reason I would root this thing would be to change the battery icon (aaagh I hate it so much)
But this phone is so so good out of the box, it's just not worth wasting effort trying...although it would be nice to drop a new kernel on it.
Best phone I've had so far.
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I'm also a long time rooter/CM kinda guy, galaxy nexus, GS3 etc etc, and I can honestly say that the only reason I would root this thing would be to change the battery icon (aaagh I hate it so much)
But this phone is so so good out of the box, it's just not worth wasting effort trying...although it would be nice to drop a new kernel on it.
Best phone I've had so far.
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I will eventually root this thing... someday. I would also like a new kernel and I want to have Greenify back and some small customization options, but for now I am going to enjoy not troubleshooting some sort of issue that comes as a side effect of rooting.
I I just switched to the Moto X from the gnex on Sprint. I am very happy with my decision. The battery life is an enormous improvement over the gnex. I have always rooted my devices and installed custom roms, but I am yet to do so on the Moto X. It has a great stock set up. I will likely root once 4.4 is avaliable, but only to get rid of the sprint crap.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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Moto Maker allows an option for 32gb, so you could wait for that on Verizon, or the Developer Edition is 32gb but you have to pay $549 for it.
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That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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We're hoping when Verizon gets Moto maker access 32gb will be an option. Right now you can get a 32gb developer version but you'll have to pay full price, ($550) and is only available in a weird white /black combo.
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Vergil117 said:
That's great to hear about the battery and stock ROM. Has anyone used the Motomaker site yet (Mainly this goes out to AT&T owners). I'd like to get mine through that when it opens up for most carriers on the 11th. But I'm curious exactly how does the process goes with activation and such. And I just noticed Verizon only offers the 16gig model is there anyway to get a 32gig model with big red.
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Moto maker is a breeze... You do everything through the website, new line, upgrade or off contact. Much easier than I had anticipated.
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Came from a galaxy "nexus" to the X and love it. I finally did root it and have played with Xposed a bit, and I will probably never flash a rom again. Xposed let's me change all of the things that I cared about on AOKP like having a torch toggle in QS, and statusbar/navbar transparency. To be honest, if I didn't want to enable native tether privileges (still unlimited here), I wouldn't be rooted.
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I am a prior nexus owner and I spent month with the HTC one and then took it back because it was garbage. I have had my x for only a couple of days and I mist say I am EXTREMELY impressed. If you loved your gnex you will love this phone!
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I am a prior nexus owner and I spent month with the HTC one and then took it back because it was garbage. I have had my x for only a couple of days and I mist say I am EXTREMELY impressed. If you loved your gnex you will love this phone!
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HTC One was garbage? Wow.
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barondebxl said:
HTC One was garbage? Wow.
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I LOVE HTC but I had the one for five weeks and at least 1 out of 4 calls were dropped randomly or my cheek would hang up the call. I loved the look of the one and thought sense 5 was the best sense yet. However due to the dropped calls the phone just did not work for me.
I have talked to others that returned the phone for the same reason
I wouldn't use the HTC one either. The sense UI is rather sluggish (I've used in the past before - HTC incredible and I've used the demo of the HTC one they had the verizon store and it was the same slowness), Not at all a fan of beats by dre/monster cables. And the button layout is kinda eh. Used to having 4 icons at the bottom with the main menu button being near the center.
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....but I'm curious as to how hard is it to root a Moto X on Verizon and getting cyanogenmod on it and keep the special features....
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Question for the group... Will rooting alone allow you to install CM? Is CM available to be flashed via safestrap?
I ask because -> http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...cyanogenmod-10-2-experimental-nightly-builds/ and -> http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Xt1060_Info seem to indicate its for Unlocked bootloader or Developer Edition. And since there is no way yet to unlock the non-Dev Edition's boot loader, it further appears its really for Dev Ed only. And all the roms that aren't a leak from Moto in the Developer sections here also state you need a Developer Edition X or Unlocked boot loader.
Vergil117, as far as rooting, JCASE has released ways to root the initial shipping rom version, and the OTA update for the camera fix. So that is easy enough. I have rooted mine, just to tether (I still have unlimited). As with other devices, if you don't have an unlocked boot loader, rooting after new ROM updates are pushed is uncertain.
Like most have posted, I think the X in its stock form is very nice, and I don't find a need to flash a alternate ROM. If you flash to CM, you'll loose the Moto customization like touch-less control, shake for camera, etc.
So I ordered a moto X through the Motomaker software on monday night. It still says est delivery by the 15 but it also says it hasn't shipped. Kinda worried.
Vergil117 said:
So I ordered a moto X through the Motomaker software on monday night. It still says est delivery by the 15 but it also says it hasn't shipped. Kinda worried.
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Same, I got to step 2 on Tuesday morning and that's been it so far. I'm hopeful we'll get our shipping notifications soon so we can get our phones before the weekend. But I know Moto probably got slammed with a bunch of orders on Monday so some of us may have to wait till next week...
Update to the shipping post. I got the fedex info and it should be here Friday yay.
Motorola's update system is way behind. When I ordered mine, over a month ago, It didn't say shipped until the morning it arrived and I didn't get a tracking number until an hour or so after I had already received the device.
But it arrived the day they said it would... I'd rather the info be late instead of the phone
Moto X rocking 4.4
Oh I know the feeling, Fedex was being lazy yesterday with my order. I live in a gated apartment building, the main lobby is like right next to the door to the building. I honestly think they saw the door and said oh no one here and went away. So I had to call them and tell them to drop it off at a fedex store.
Two days ago I switched back to my Verizon Moto X from my nexus 5 after figuring out that Sprint and T-Mobile are unbearable in my area. I'm rooted on 4.4 and am getting the update push. So I was thinking is it even worth unlocking the boot loader if I am perfectly happy with stock Moto ROM and kernel and just use safestrap so I don't lose system write?
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I guess what I was getting at is the $40 worth it if I don't care about Cyanogenmod etc.
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If you want to be able to root no matter what, yes. If not no.
Moto X developer edition
I already rooted and got write protection nuked I'm just sitting on 4.4 planning my next move. Right now I'm using gravity box but if I'm going to use safestrap I might as well flash Eclipse it looks perfect.I can avoid xposed as well.
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honestly I had the same question a few days ago and I went ahead and simply had my bootloader unlocked by that Chinese guy.
I'd rather have the peace of mind knowing anything is absolutely stable system wise when switching to 4.4.2 instead of "maybe" everything working alright.
This way too, if going forward android is updated again, it will be easy to side-load or even take an OTA; versus safestrap and/or 4.2.2 root method may not work at all or cause more issues in the future.
I guess what i'm getting at is, the unlocked bootloader will guarantee the longevity of my moto X
my 2 cents :good:
You may be stuck on 4.4 forever if you want proper root.
And when official updates end for the X, roms will keep it updated....losing Moto features maybe, but without root....you'll still be stuck.
Doesn't seem like a lot of money to avoid all that.
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OK thanks guys /going to PayPal Chinese guy brb
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Read someone just got there design moto x from motorola last week and it still had 4.4 on it, can someone else confirm they are still coming from Motorola with 4.4? I am sending my standard 16 gig moto x i got from verizon last week back, it had 4.4.2 on it. Verizons upgrade website sends you to motos website to design your own moto x if you don't want the standard black/black 16 gig version. Was about to pull the trigger and order a 32 gig design my own from moto but would like to hear from others who have recently to confirm which version of kitkat is coming on them.
Thanks
Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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r_diaz13 said:
Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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Thanks, did you root yours? I believe you can stop the OTA notifications with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup
Not sure I've never used it. Read about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/moto-x-verizon-dev-edition-twrp-boot-t2709189
got mine 2 days ago and it came with 4.4
I got mine here in Brazil yesterday and came with 4.4.2 already!
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Read someone just got there design moto x from motorola last week and it still had 4.4 on it, can someone else confirm they are still coming from Motorola with 4.4? I am sending my standard 16 gig moto x i got from verizon last week back, it had 4.4.2 on it. Verizons upgrade website sends you to motos website to design your own moto x if you don't want the standard black/black 16 gig version. Was about to pull the trigger and order a 32 gig design my own from moto but would like to hear from others who have recently to confirm which version of kitkat is coming on them.
Thanks
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Why do you want 4.4? If its that important for you to be able to root and disable write protection that you would return a phone because it had 4.4.2, then consider getting the Developer Edition X for Verizon.
I realize there will be cost differences if you are "renewing" your contract, or using the subsidized pricing, compared to having to pay full price for the Dev Edition, but with the Retail and Moto Maker X and its locked, you'll be stuck on 4.4 from now on. As your actions indicate you are aware 4.4.2 Breaks the current root/WPDisable processes, so you have to understand the likelihood of Root/WPDisable for 4.4.2 and beyond at this point are slim to none on a locked bootloader.
While JCASE has a root exploit to use on 4.4.2, he said due to his job and other commitments, he wont release it until the fall. Who knows what ROM version will be out for the X by then (4.4.3 or above maybe?) and will it patch that exploit? And that still leaves the question of Disabling Write Protection, without which root isn't nearly as useful (many would say worthless because any changes you make while rooted would be lost the next time you power off/on). This "late" in the game, with Moto already saying they are working on an X replacement, will a WPDisable method come to 4.4.2 and beyond?
I understand rooting, disabling write protection on 4.4, and then using Safestrap to run 4.4.2 is still an option. But its not one I've really followed, so I don't know how stable it is compared to just running 4.4.2 by itself. And I don't know the possibilities of running future roms this way (with 4.4 as a base and something higher than 4.4.2 via SS).
Your actions (going through the hassle of returning a phone because it had 4.4.2 already installed and possibly paying a restock fee, then trying to find out if MotoMaker phones still ship with 4.4) would indicate that Rooting and Disabling write protection is extremely important. So I would say Developer Edition is your best option. You can always unlock the bootloader, which disables write protection, and root it, and doing so doesn't void the warranty (at least the hardware warranty)
Oh, and if you don't like the woven white back with black front on the Dev Edition, consider Dbrand skins or a case.
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Mine came with 4.4 and going crazy everyday asking for the 4.4.2 Ota. I had the phone replaced like 2 weeks ago
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Thanks, did you root yours? I believe you can stop the OTA notifications with https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.TitaniumBackup
Not sure I've never used it. Read about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/moto-x-qa/moto-x-verizon-dev-edition-twrp-boot-t2709189
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To Freeze the apps (and stop the OTA notification, you need to be rooted.
The 3C_OTA.APK resides in /system/app or /system/priv-app. It can be renamed using a root capable file explorer.
If you are not rooted, you can't stop the OTA or the OTA prompt.
4.4.2
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4.4.2
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Thanks, mine should be here in a couple days ordered the black front black back blue accents with the 32 gig and told them it better not have 4.4.2
So, if/when do you think Verizon will get official lollipop out? (I know speculation is pointless but idrc)
I'm putting 40% on it never comes out, 50% between 2 and 8 months from the d802 and 10% within 2 months of the international g2 getting it (probably next week).
date
My guess would be at the end of March or beginning of April. Probably around the same time the Galaxy S6 and One M9 (or whatever there going to call it) come out. Since it will probably be out on AT&T right before then.
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So, if/when do you think Verizon will get official lollipop out? (I know speculation is pointless but idrc)
I'm putting 40% on it never comes out, 50% between 2 and 8 months from the d802 and 10% within 2 months of the international g2 getting it (probably next week).
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I'm going to say mid-May 2015. Or maybe June. But with VZW, you never know, so maybe December just to screw with everyone.
I still think sometime in the next few weeks to a month since Verizon has been pretty quick to updating phones to lollipop. Granted they still throw all there garbage bloatware. But atleast google has been nice to create ways for people to uninstall it without having to root.
Have you seen this?
http://pressandupdate.com/lg-g2-android-5-0-1-lollipop-update-everything-know/
That article was useless since it tries to blame on the problems on "older hardware". The snapdragon 801 inside the g3 is not much different then the snapdragon 800 inside the g2. It's just companies being lazy and wanting people to buy a new phone every time there is a software update. Especially with the markup for the cost of these devices.
Look at this link someone v posted in another thread. We Verizon users might be first!
http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?...rs.com&subid=cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da
It's the source code for Verizon lollipop. Someone said that when the source code came out for f240l a week later the kdz showed up. They're speculating that we may be able to expect lollipop kdz for Verizon in a week
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And that link is a download link but look at the source of the download. It shows lg website and the name shows Verizon g2 lollipop version number. I haven't downloaded yet but it's only 273 mb which seems small but if anyone knows about this stuff check it out and let us know.
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Today; I win (possibly)
Somebody try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59143711&postcount=946
So you find a 145mb file for maybe (the verizon variant) that you think is lollipop. And you want someone to try it on a whim. Good luck.
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So you find a 145mb file for maybe (the verizon variant) that you think is lollipop. And you want someone to try it on a whim. Good luck.
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Did you read the rest of the post?
I'm there, it works!
For once it appears as though being on Verizon is actually a good thing for updates. Hooray!
i guss it out at July
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So you find a 145mb file for maybe (the verizon variant) that you think is lollipop. And you want someone to try it on a whim. Good luck.
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Lol look who's running lollipop now because they tried his find on a whim...
This guy! :thumbup:
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I can't figure out how to update to lollipop.
can someone post the process?
do you need root access to update?
gooruma said:
I can't figure out how to update to lollipop.
can someone post the process?
do you need root access to update?
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Here u go!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-g2/development/manual-ota-vs980-39a-lollipop-t3046228
I think I'll still wait for the next update. Since Lollipop is so hit or miss on phones/tablets. I have a 2012 Nexus 7 which it works great on along with my nexus 9. A friend has 5.0 on his Verizon galaxy s5 and his phone is now laggy and the battery life is garbage.
Verizon sent out lollipop to my wife's M8 last night. Seemed pretty snappy after the install. Guess it will take a week or two before start noticing any small issues though.
I thought LG was supposed to be quick with their updates? How did HTC beat them to it?
Updating now, just got back from vacation, so don't need root and tether that much...
If I do, can always go back to 27A
I'm running stock verizon 5.0.2 lollipop now, runs pretty good. If you have a vs980 try it out
If I were to right now get the Samsung Galaxy S5 AT&T ( http://www.att.com/cellphones/samsung/galaxy-s-5.html#sku=sku7120234 ), is it known whether it will have a rootable version or not?
If I am unable to root the phone and keep it rooted, I'll most likely have to go with another phone. (Which would be a shame.)
I've read up some on the situation, and it seems as long as it is version 4.4.4 I would be fine.
And I would be able to update while keeping root if I follow this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att...w-to-update-to-g900aof2-5-0-keeproot-t3149146
So, I suppose the real question is how sure is it that you'll get the 4.4.4 (rootable) version of android?
And are there any downsides to doing so right now?
(I have a rooted phone now: An HTC First. The failed "Facebook" phone. It was very easy to root and receives no updates, so it's been hassle free, but it'd be nice to finally update.)
I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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I'm not sure if you are buying direct from AT&T or not, but I think it's been confirmed that they have only been selling S5s with 5.0 on them out of the box.
Root may come eventually for those who have factory Lollipop images on their S5s, but I wouldn't count on it. Unfortunately, the window for an easy root on a brand new AT&T branded S5 has closed.
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Thanks for the reply. Going to look at other options, then.
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How much are you willing to spend? I'd consider selling my almost mint condition rooted 5.0 GS5 for the right price. I just got it in the Spring and it's in fantastic shape.
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Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
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Well, I was going with this phone because it is 'free' with the existing contract.... Looking at the other 'free' options now.
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If root is a deal breaker I suggest not getting the GS5 unless you are positive that you can get one with KitKat out of the box.
That being said...I have an unrootable one on AT&T that I got free for extending my contract; and I found that their 5.0 build for this phone is probably the most stable phone I've ever had on AT&T ever. Besides the battery and back cover nag alerts and not being able to save Amazon video to the SD card...I have no other complaints re: not having root. But even when I had devices that were rooted...they were stock-rooted. As always...YMMV.
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