In the xTraSmooth thread the developer provides advice on how to maximize battery life and in it he alludes to how greenify and cleanmaster shouldnt be used as it mitigates what android does on its on in terms of task management.
This prompted me to read up on it extensively and there are equal arguments for and against using greenify for example.
I just wanted to open up this thread and see if other more experienced people on this forum use greenify and/or cleanmaster and can provide reasoning why or why not .
Thanks
kingofkings11 said:
In the xTraSmooth thread the developer provides advice on how to maximize battery life and in it he alludes to how greenify and cleanmaster shouldnt be used as it mitigates what android does on its on in terms of task management.
This prompted me to read up on it extensively and there are equal arguments for and against using greenify for example.
I just wanted to open up this thread and see if other more experienced people on this forum use greenify and/or cleanmaster and can provide reasoning why or why not .
Thanks
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I don't. I use SD maid pro on a schedule for cleaning of junk files and cache. I don't use greenify. I regularly see 5-6 hours of SOT. Most of battery life is depending on specific user apps and usage. I keep ambient display off, using native led control from custom ROM settings. I keep brightness at around 30-35%. Location is set to battery saving. I'm generally on WiFi or strong LTE signal, which also plays a huge role.
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Clean master is crap. Greenify is alright.
I have found better luck with kernel tweaks. And adjusting my settings. I also use SD Maid Pro.
Not sure about clean master. Anything that removes tasks from memory constantly can have a negative effect on battery if you use that a lot, so clearing recents regularly is not a good idea as apps use more could cycles to open fresh than from a cached process, which you're terminating by clearing recents. So apps you use regularly will use much more power if you're always starting them fresh. I see no harm in clearing individual tasks from recents if you're not going to use them for a long time.
Greenify I do use. There are many apps that just don't close properly or just keep wakelocks that you don't require so hibernation isn't a bad thing of you know what apps you're hibernating.. It's not the same as termination either.
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I have always been in the habit of streamlining everything (I.e. disabling all useless services in windows, etc.). Is there any information on which of the preinstalled apps I can remove? I'd feel safe getting rid of things like Google Talk and Amazon MP3 but am unsure what things such as "checkin service" do.
I removed about 6 apps from /system/app and noticed I could no longer download from the market. might do a little trial and error when I have more time.
Anyone have a source for this info?
From what I am able to gather, it appears Google Talk is needed for Market to work. No idea why, but it's needed.
See, google talk is always running in the background and I can't stand that. Would reducing the amount of apps in the "processes" tab in task manager improve battery life or increase internal memory? Just wish I had the time and resources to figure some of this out.
r4d14n7 said:
See, google talk is always running in the background and I can't stand that. Would reducing the amount of apps in the "processes" tab in task manager improve battery life or increase internal memory? Just wish I had the time and resources to figure some of this out.
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Yes & yes, sorta.
Obviously closing out background apps can improve performance, but noy by much. Android will automatically start killing background apps when it senses that it's low on memory. Biggest thing is when that "low" memory is. Your threshold is probably different than Androids.
So yes it does help, but not by much.
Oh, also, lots of apps are called up by system processes, so no matter how many times you kill them, they come back.
So I have heard that using a task killer app could do more harm then good. Is this true? If not, whats a highly recommend task killer app?
Why you shouldn't use them.
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Why you shouldn't use them.
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I read this article via a link from gizmodo and it was very informative. I was using ATK for some time and thought it was doing well. I had no idea that many of the issues I was running into were actually coming from the task killer nixing items I needed running. I realized this after I removed the task killer and installed watchdog.
I am not going to say watchdog was streamlining power house for my phone but, it did allow me to see what was really going on in a much more efficient manner. The information it provides is useful and gives a much better idea of what is consuming all those battery eating clock cycles. I feel more comfortable now knowing what is actually active and whether I need it to be.
Since the change over I have been consuming more battery power but I just changed to Cognition and I have significantly less FCs. This is on top of my recent full time GPS usage and frequent music streaming.
I was wondering is there an app which allows you to limit the programs that run during stand-by? I know there are already apps like Advance Task Killer, but what I'm referring to is an app that could say let you set only certain programs such as phone, messaging, email, etc. to run on stand-by so your battery isn't being killed by unused apps.
Battery saving apps tend to use more battery than they save. Remember that they have to be constantly running to monitor the rest of the phone.
Freeze the apps u use once-in-a-blue-moon using TiBu.
Avoid using task killers and battery savers.
Take a look at Juice Defender, it handles turning off the various antenna's depending upon usage.
I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
There is no more need to use task killer to manage android systems any more. You will be doing more harm than good, in fact there is no good in killing tssks manually.
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Point noted.
But when I use Airdroid task manager, I see a process when the corresponding app is not running the background.
To mention a few; Cut the rope free, stocks & Hill climb racing.
Few system process like picasa uploader, chrome etc.
As you said andoird may optimize most of them, but I would like some control when running thin on battery.
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I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
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use greenify https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oasisfeng.greenify&hl=en to hibernate any persisting apps/processes (except system). apps relaunch when you open them.
Killing apps and then having to reload them actually uses more battery than them being dormant in the background and already loaded when called upon. The problem is when you have misbehaving apps that stay in the foreground eating up cpu, instead of going dormant into the background. And this does happen. I use an app called Watchdog that alerts me when this happens. It allows you to kill the app when this happens. It also allows you to whitelist and blacklist apps and processes.
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main phone setting, apps, running.. default task/process manager. in the top right will be an option to show cached process as well.
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main phone setting, apps, running.. default task/process manager. in the top right will be an option to show cached process as well.
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We all know that is there. The op mentioned wanting more options, mainly monitoring and kill options.
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mohan_168 said:
I am wondering if we have a task manager/process explorer app for Nexus 4? Currently I am using AirDroid v2 that includes a task manager, but I am looking for one with more options.
I travel a lot & would like to kill as much unwanted applications running in the background as possible to conserve battery.
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We all know that is there. The op mentioned wanting more options, mainly monitoring and kill options.
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fast reboot(free), but the paid version i like better https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.greatbytes.fastreboot&hl=en
rayiskon, I will try greenify & let you know how that helps.
fernandezhjr, I agree restarting app is not an optimal way, but I require to squeeze battery to atleast make phone calls when I am away from charging options.
simms22, fast reboot looks promising. I'll try the free one for now and take it from there.
It's kind of already been said, but I want to clarify as much as possible.
Apps running dormant in the background (using RAM) use no more power than if it weren't running. This is because all of the memory you have is being refreshed all the time, the controller has no idea whether there is actually data there, it still refreshes the entire space of memory.
Apps running "dormant" but using CPU do use more power than if it weren't running. I assume OP is wanting some sort of monitoring app that shows which apps are using CPU, in which case is fine. If OP is wanting to kill all apps that he isn't using at the time to conserve battery, then he would actually be doing the opposite of what he wants, as it requires to CPU to spin back up to restart it later. Again, the difference here is RAM vs CPU, one doesn't use battery (or rather, uses the same amount of battery, no matter how much of it is being utilized), and one can use more or less battery depending on how much it's used.
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It's kind of already been said, but I want to clarify as much as possible.
Apps running dormant in the background (using RAM) use no more power than if it weren't running. This is because all of the memory you have is being refreshed all the time, the controller has no idea whether there is actually data there, it still refreshes the entire space of memory.
Apps running "dormant" but using CPU do use more power than if it weren't running. I assume OP is wanting some sort of monitoring app that shows which apps are using CPU, in which case is fine. If OP is wanting to kill all apps that he isn't using at the time to conserve battery, then he would actually be doing the opposite of what he wants, as it requires to CPU to spin back up to restart it later. Again, the difference here is RAM vs CPU, one doesn't use battery (or rather, uses the same amount of battery, no matter how much of it is being utilized), and one can use more or less battery depending on how much it's used.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I understand killing process, shutting down cached process or apps & later restarting them is only going to fire up the CPU usage which completely defeats the purpose of conserving battery.
Though not a daily ask, at times I am stuck in situation where a phone call or SMS is all I need to keep me going.
Hi Friends !
We have doze enabled in developer option setting.Now there is aggressive doze option which is by default enabled.
My doubt is weather using Greenify it helps further or it kills more battery.
Weather Greenify is useful in Nougat as this app is not updated since long.
What I have noticed that my Whatsapp is always in top or 2nd for battery eating with Doze/A.doze applied.
However when I uses Greenify it is able to hibernate WA and battery consumption with WA becomes less
in that case.
Someone suggest that without A.Doze battery stats is better.
Lately I have started to use Naptime also but didn't find any good on it for battery.
Anyone could put more light on optimized setting.
And Naptime/A.Doze was unable to hibernate Social APPS/Cloud apps/system apps only Greenify was able to do that.
Whatsapp still has it's place imo because the dumbest feature ever doze on the go exists, if your phone moves doze doesn't work as well as it should. Greenify isn't affected by that so if you greenify an app it will remain in hibernation no matter what until it is opened or called on.
the only thing i suggest that is useful is Wakelock detector. While by itself it is just for monitoring, if found when apps were misbehaving. E.g., i had an incorrectly configured Tasker profile that just drained my battery, and would have never caught it if not for this app.
But i would like someone (with a lot of free time) to re-flash their rom to stock, then use it for 1 week with Greenify, Naptime, G+N, neither. and report back battery stats.
I have a question regarding battery life, I am using magisk + Super SU. will it drain more battery ? To attain root in system I am having to use super su.
I used to be a greenify user but now not anymore ..the aggressive doze feature is awesome ..as for preventing WhatsApp to launch in background..you can switch off auto launch in background and also restrict background data in whatsapp and that extends my battery life dramatically
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As I always say when it comes to computers and computing. Your system knows whats best for it. Use the system's doze over any third party app. Your system is always tailored to itself, whereas any third party app needs to be as inclusive as possible to apply to every phone out there.