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To all those who have owned their S4A for some time now, do you still use it under water?
I am asking because I am curious if this was just a gimmick or something people actually keep utilizing. Also, have you seen any deteriorating quality in the gaskets or USB flap?
I personally only wet my S4A when its dirty. I hold it under the tap and wash it off. If it rains I also don't care about the device getting wet.
I don't dunk it however as water seems to want to get into the USB flap (droplets like to congregate around the USB flap edge). Pressurized liquid environments (fancy way of saying putting it into water) seem to be what breaks the S4A since a complete submersion lets water find its way in through any opening no matter how small. Showers seem to be a-ok.
The USB flap on my second Active pulled off after about 2.5 months.
I wash mine in the sink about once a week, I read some article somewhere that cell phones are dirtier than bathroom doorknobs. If it ends up getting waterlogged I'll throw it against the wall and buy a S4 w/OBEX case (or a Nexus 5 if they come out with a waterproof case).
I still like my S4A, it still does what I want it to and the water-resistant feature is a must for me nowadays, but it seems to be less water-resistant than advertised and there's not much dev support for it. I won't take it in the ocean or pool that's for sure.
I'm not sure if anyone is aware, but the flappy charging port cover is just dust protection cover, it provides no waterproofing. I cut mine off months ago it's very annoying. It does not affect the phone's ability to survive 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.
My phone see's water daily in the shower or going wakesurfing. Still working like brand new since day 1!
I don't know that I'd be willing to risk it. How can something possibly prevent water from entering, but allow dust in? Even if the port is sealed off from the rest of the device (like the headphone port), you have to consider that you are introducing electricity into the environment. Any amount of residual water can and will cause a short.
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I don't know that I'd be willing to risk it. How can something possibly prevent water from entering, but allow dust in? Even if the port is sealed off from the rest of the device (like the headphone port), you have to consider that you are introducing electricity into the environment. Any amount of residual water can and will cause a short.
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It makes sense. Sealing it off to prevent water intrusion w/o the flap seems pretty easy, but to make the port dust proof you'd need the flap (the innards of the phone would be water/dust proof behind the connection port, the flap would be to keep the dust out of the port only)
I won't try it but if you're saying it works for you I'll feel a little better when the wife's port cover rips off...
That's good to know, mine's been getting looser and looser and I've been more worried to go near water since it isn't feeling so tight anymore!
Keep in mind that if you have at&t, this should be covered under the 1 year warranty. You may have to argue a bit with the rep, but I got mine replaced when it pulled off.
As a fixer, I decided to test this theory. My friend's two year old ripped her charge port cover off and wanted me to fix it. I've been looking for the past day, and haven't found anything that is a direct replacement, just filler pieces for generic micro-USB or for the S3 ports (same thing, really).
So I took the phone apart so I could see the inside, and I, using electrical contact cleaner spray so I don't break the phone, barely pulled the trigger so it would dribble down into the port instead of blast everywhere. Well, I saw contact cleaner on the inside of the phone within like 2 seconds.
Conclusion: the charge port is not sealed. It might handle a splash if you let the port dry out, but forget about dunking it.
As a tip, search eBay for "6pcs Micro USB Port Dust Cap Cover for Samsung Galaxy S III S3 GT-I9300 (Black)". That is the title of the listing where I found 6 filler pieces for $5 USD, while the popular link provided in these forums for TOPI Covers (topicovers .com/products/micro-usb-port-cover) sells them at $2 each.
I contacted the support center for the store (Elkjp, a norwegian national store owned the Dixon Group) where I bought my Galaxy S4 Active about the cover for the USB-connector, and got this reply (translated into English):
"According to the manufacturer the USB-connector itself is waterproof without the rubber cover. The robber cover is only for dust protection. Normally the warranty does not cover water damage, but with some products, like you Galaxy S4 Active, we will approve your warranty request if water have penetrated into the phone, as long as it has no other visual damages."
Unsure who the store's support supervisor has contacted for this informastion, might be just a wild quess by the supervisor or Samsung in Norway. The manufacturer warranty in Norway is 2 year for Samsung mobile phones, and national customer warranty/complaints are 5 years for mobile phones, according to Norwegian law.
Clarence_C said:
As a fixer, I decided to test this theory. My friend's two year old ripped her charge port cover off and wanted me to fix it. I've been looking for the past day, and haven't found anything that is a direct replacement, just filler pieces for generic micro-USB or for the S3 ports (same thing, really).
So I took the phone apart so I could see the inside, and I, using electrical contact cleaner spray so I don't break the phone, barely pulled the trigger so it would dribble down into the port instead of blast everywhere. Well, I saw contact cleaner on the inside of the phone within like 2 seconds.
Conclusion: the charge port is not sealed. It might handle a splash if you let the port dry out, but forget about dunking it.
As a tip, search eBay for "6pcs Micro USB Port Dust Cap Cover for Samsung Galaxy S III S3 GT-I9300 (Black)". That is the title of the listing where I found 6 filler pieces for $5 USD, while the popular link provided in these forums for TOPI Covers (topicovers .com/products/micro-usb-port-cover) sells them at $2 each.
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No offense, but you sound less than scientific and I see numerous holes in your testing. If the device is rated by the manufacturer to be waterproof without the USB flap then it seems unreasonable to question without definitive evidence that it is not, which thus far you have failed to provide.
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i agree. dont mock if you are no expert!!
The IP67 rating is based upon 1 meter of water depth for 30 minutes without water intrusion. This requires positive sealing methods like the silicone gasket on the cover with snap clips holding it down with pressure. A little flappy cover that just sets in place provides no sealing what so ever at 1.4psi.
pyro254750 said:
No offense, but you sound less than scientific and I see numerous holes in your testing. If the device is rated by the manufacturer to be waterproof without the USB flap then it seems unreasonable to question without definitive evidence that it is not, which thus far you have failed to provide.
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I checked the manual (from Samsung.com) and on page 11 says it's NOT waterproof without the USB cover correctly in place:
"Caution! Be careful not to damage or detach the multipurpose jack cover. A damaged or missing cover can result in water damage to the device."
It may be a CYA note, or maybe it's not water-resistant without the cover. As far as I can find this is the only 'official' word on whether or not it's water-resistant without the flap (which its supposedly not). I'm not doubting the OP by any means, if his phone works without the cover that's great, but I'm not going to rip mine off on purpose to test it out.
TwoStroker37 said:
The IP67 rating is based upon 1 meter of water depth for 30 minutes without water intrusion. This requires positive sealing methods like the silicone gasket on the cover with snap clips holding it down with pressure. A little flappy cover that just sets in place provides no sealing what so ever at 1.4psi.
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So, a rubber stopper in a sink or bathtub will not seal because the water is only a few inches deep?
In theory, the flap will always seal if it fits well (no dirt, cracks, etc.) and the pressure outside the phone is greater than the pressure inside the phone, but not so great a difference to structurally deform or damage the seal. If the phone remains vertical with the flap at the bottom, it doesn't need the seal at all. Think of an inverted bottle without a cap. You can push it down into the water, but the air remains inside.
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Water proof cover.
If you do not like the dust cover on the phone you can try a piece of silicone ear plugs. The are designed to keep water out of your ears when swimming just don't force it into deep in the usb port. If your still not satisfied and you want to dunk the phone a simple zip lock bag works great for most phone and you can still use the touch screen though it will not be as sensitive. I have used plastic bags to keep my phone dry in the rain several times. Good luck, hope this was helpful.
Yes It is bit worry for me also and my phone is now out of warranty and I can not replace it.
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[/COLOR]The Samsung Galaxy S4 wireless charging kit is now available directly through Samsung’s accessory store. Should you choose to make charging on your GS4 “hassle free,” be prepared to shell out $90. In order to become a wireless charging machine, the Galaxy S4 needs both a charging cover (battery cover replacement) and the charging pad (pictured above). The back cover runs $39.99, while the pad will cost $49.99. If there is one added bonus to the charging pad, it’s the fact that it should work with all Qi-certified wireless charging products, so you could get some additional use out of it.
We’ve got links to Samsung’s site below for those who are interested.
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Where did you find the original samsung wireless covers?
I cant find them anywhere?
Do you have a link?
BR
The S4 cover is different than the S4 Active for obvious reasons. It won't fit.
my-blue-snog-box said:
Keep in mind that if you have at&t, this should be covered under the 1 year warranty. You may have to argue a bit with the rep, but I got mine replaced when it pulled off.
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Did they send you the part or did you have to send your phone to them? I don't mind replacing it myself. I ripped mine as well and I also noticed that it isn't as loud with the cover off(noticed that before it ripped off). Either way, I use my phone for work, so I can't be without a phone for weeks while they fix something.
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Did they send you the part or did you have to send your phone to them? I don't mind replacing it myself. I ripped mine as well and I also noticed that it isn't as loud with the cover off(noticed that before it ripped off). Either way, I use my phone for work, so I can't be without a phone for weeks while they fix something.
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They sent me a replacement, and only once I got that in the mail did I have to send in the defective unit.
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Confirmed cover not for waterproofing
I wanted to reiterate this statement. I spoke to Samsung technical support today and they confirmed that cover is just a dust cover. It has nothing to do with keeping water out of the phone. Mine broke off and I'm not going to attempt to replace it.
TwoStroker37 said:
I'm not sure if anyone is aware, but the flappy charging port cover is just dust protection cover, it provides no waterproofing. I cut mine off months ago it's very annoying. It does not affect the phone's ability to survive 1 meter of water for 30 minutes.
My phone see's water daily in the shower or going wakesurfing. Still working like brand new since day 1!
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Im not quite sure that usb port cover flap is only to protect from dust. Then why on every video, instructions, manuals, after unplugging usb cable there is a warning to close usb cover and in camera Aqua Mode too, if not closed properly this situation water will damage phone? I havent heard of wateroroof usb. Every waterproof phone has usb cover that protect usb port. Theres only waterproof headphone jack
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I am trying to decide on getting the active or the regular s5 on AT&T and I don't care about the drop proofness of the active, but all I want is the water resistant part of it. Are they same when it comes to that?
Side question, has anyone really swam with the S5? I have a baggie with a headphone jack right now for my s4 and it works pretty just, just wondering tho?
thank you
No they are not the same. Different IP certifications make the Active more resistant to water ie deeper depths and longer periods of exposure
seeing as both phones are rated at IP67 that would mean that they are both resistant to the same levels of water. the main difference in the phones is the fact that the active comes with the milspec 810g which just means its shockproof in and of itself up to 4 feet on a flat surface. so add a decent case to that and you've got a nokia brick pretty much, but as you said you dont care about that side of it.
So for the original question, they are identical in waterproofness, and dustproofness. IP67 = IP67
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No they are not the same. Different IP certifications make the Active more resistant to water ie deeper depths and longer periods of exposure
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Wrong. they both are the same IP67 certification, in terms of water resistance they are both exactly the same
flyer280 said:
seeing as both phones are rated at IP67 that would mean that they are both resistant to the same levels of water. the main difference in the phones is the fact that the active comes with the milspec 810g which just means its shockproof in and of itself up to 4 feet on a flat surface. so add a decent case to that and you've got a nokia brick pretty much, but as you said you dont care about that side of it.
So for the original question, they are identical in waterproofness, and dustproofness. IP67 = IP67
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Perfect, thank you guys, I think I rather keep the sexiness of the regular one, not to mention, I am sure the ROM's will be different (when that happens) and I am sure more people will build these roms for the regular aposed to active. also the regular one has the finger print sensor, so....
Ahh apologies, I thought I had read when the phone was announced that it was a different rating
Hi ,
I've been really enjoying all aspects of the phone apart from battery life until today.
I was in the sea taking underwater videos (having done the same all week, just below the surface not deep) on holiday and then the phone gave the 'you have left your s-pen behind message'.
Dried the phone off and tested it, the s-pen didn't work at all, no reaction on the screen at all. The problem has the following symptoms:
- If I restart the device with the S-Pen in, it then detects when it's removed. I can interact with the screen but the options such as magnifier have gone weird, i.e. they flicker on very quickly when you're closer than normal to the screen.
- I can't click the little floating circle with the pen, tapping it or pressing the button does nothing.
-returning the pen to the device does nothing, it's as if it's still removed.
Please help, I was really considering selling the device and I really don't want the hassle of having to post it off to Samsung knowing that they will likely be difficult and blame me.
I'd be grateful for any help you can give.
Thanks,
Andrew
First thing is to check the s-pen is good, if you have access to and old note or galaxy tab s3 see if the stylus works (otherwise pop into a local best buy, or any place that has working display models and test it out).
If the s-pen works then chances are the switch that tells if pen is present may be jamed/broken (maybe a little bit of sand got somewhere in there), try flush it out, I'm not sure poking around with a q tip would be advisable (your toletance of risk)
If your s-pen don't work try the working s-pen on your screen.
If neither work sounds like the EMR is malfunctioning, which requires servicing.
Edit: grammar
S-pen may still have water inside. Take the tip out and maybe blow warm air inside or shake water out or something. I had one of older pens open up and there is cavity inside, not sure if the new pen is the same, but if water got inside and it seems it did, may be more difficult to dry out. I don't think Samsung covers water damage, so I wouldn't voluntary disclose that, also I would try just to go to store and try other pen maybe all you need is new pen. If it is, it may actually be less troublesome to pick Note 7 pen on ebay or something, they are the same and many people have leftovers(including me). If I was going to do underwater photos I would probably put some tape on all openings as a precaution. I did some underwater photos with my Note 7 before, but I knew it's going back on recall so didn't care and didn't have problems, with N8 I didn't dare to do it yet. And remember it's 5ft/30 min max. and no charging until it's completely dry.
The s-pen for the note 8 is actually water resistant too (though Samsung does not quote the exact IP rating for the pen). The s-pen is a passive device and it's near impossible to kill it with water (my kids have subjected other wacom pens to various forms of water torture, once completely dry they work right as rain)
Phone is water proof, pen is waterproof and yet it doesn't work after being submerged under water. My best guess and it's only a guess, water somehow got inside and interferes with the operation. OP should first check if it's pen only or the phone. Pen itself should be easy to fix even without Samsung, broken phone will require Samsung repair or replacement, so hopefully it's pen and it isn't too difficult to check. If it's the phone, you can't even open it, so outside of making sure pen cavity is fully dry (BTW s-pen won't work if phone thinks pen is stowed inside) the only remedy is Samsung. As already stated, I used Note 7 under water multiple times and outside of some hicups which went away after the phone was fully dry, I had no issues. Come to think of it, let me repeat this : s-pen won't work if phone thinks the s-pen is still inside, could be wet switch telling phone s-pen wasn't removed yet, even it is.
Someone has to say it, so I'll bite the bullet and say it. "Here's a waterproof phone for you guys" ≠ "go dunking your phone into water"
Also you said sea? Saltwater is not good for anything.
If that option to disable spen detection when the spen is inserted is on to save battery, that's most likely what's doing it. The spen detector thing was damaged or is stuck so it's not telling your phone the spen is removed, therefore your spen digitizer is off.
unlike what some others said, this is a setting, not forced behavior. disable the setting and spen detection stays on when the spen is inserted (or the phone thinks it is)
Salt is corosive on many material. IP ratings do not take into account salt water. Also IP ratings talk about accidental submersion.
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-waterproof-are-the-new-iphones-heres-what-all-the-ratings-mean/
Your kinda to blame.
No phone works with SEA water.
It has salt in it and that very different from fresh water.
Its even in the manual that tells you to not put it in salt water. And if it does. To run low pressure fresh water over the phone for 10sec.
So dont sell the phone to someone else. Pay the debutable and get another phone you water damage it.
I didn't realize salt water wasn't included in the water resistance classification. I'm sure if you polled a group of people, this wouldn't exactly be common knowledge. However, it makes sense.
It is included in the fine print, for anyone that RFTM.
Follow these tips carefully to prevent damage to
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• Any device which uses accessible
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• Whenever the device gets wet, dry it
thoroughly with a clean, soft cloth.
• Water resistant based on IP68 rating,
which tests submersion in fresh water up
to 5 feet for up to 30 minutes. If device is
exposed to fresh water, dry it thoroughly
with a clean, soft cloth; if exposed to
liquid other than fresh water, rinse with
fresh water and dry as directed.
WARNING! Liquid other than fresh water
may enter the device faster. Failure to
rinse the device in fresh water and dry it as
instructed may cause the device to suffer
from operability or cosmetic issues.
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Hey guys,
I know the Rog Phone 2 does not have any IP certification for water resistance. I'm buyin one but I'm afraid to use it in the bathroom ( I usually leave my phone playing music on the counter). Do you guys think the water vapors could damage the phone?
Does the sim card tray have any rubber seal inside? That could be a clue if Asus tried at least to include some protection
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Hey guys,
I know the Rog Phone 2 does not have any IP certification for water resistance. I'm buyin one but I'm afraid to use it in the bathroom ( I usually leave my phone playing music on the counter). Do you guys think the water vapors could damage the phone?
Does the sim card tray have any rubber seal inside? That could be a clue if Asus tried at least to include some protection
regards
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I doubt water vapor would hurt it, but I wouldn't get it wet. The vent on the back of the phone is supposed to be a real vent on the ROG Phone 2, which means it's open to the internal circuitry.
I'm not going to be too concerned about that. I bring my LG V20 in all the time and it's not rated either. I just stick it on a low shelf since the steam rises, and keep the exhaust fan on.
As for the vent, I didn't think it opened into the bare circuitry. I thought it went into the cooling chamber or whatever it is, surrounded by the copper
Dude, dude, seriously dude!
I dont care if its IP-68, ip one hundred, thousand, gazillion.\;
Electronic devices are not suppose to be anyway near water, they don't belong at the beach, pools and worse of all; when your taking a crap in the bathroom (yuck).
i was being sarcastic, but on a serious note,
this phone has open gaps in its housing for ventilation, this is not ideal for the bathroom, consider buying a Bluetooth speaker water/condensing resistant.
I’ve also ordered the rog 2. Was thinking about this also. I’m sure it has some resistance although no IP certification.